It's Time To Stop Recommending The SAME GEAR! 

I used silicon tubing to line the handles on the Toaks. Works great and now I don’t need an extra piece of gear to use it.

I was thinking the same thing as he said it. That said most pots will be "fairly" flat so four may well be better.

Yes 3 support choice make sense in that theory but in practicality I highly doubt this was the design intention. I think it's 3 support to save weight as 3 is the minimum requirement to support a plane. I wholeheartedly recommend 4 supports over 3 for many practical reasons. * Using a pan with a handle on a 3 support is annoyingly difficult unless you line the handle perfectly with one of the supports. * When the ground is uneven, 3 support is also less stable because the contents of the pan will flow to one side and you have to make sure a support is under that side or things will easily tip. * 4 support makes cups/pans much less likely tip when you accidentally bump into them. * 3 support will make it less "wobbly" if the surface is uneven but even in this case, 4 will still make it less likely to fall when you bump it.

@@MJin03with respect, I disagree completely, for the following reasons.. History shows that short of an actual solid base, tripods are incredibly stable and if the three legs of the tripods are kept at regular intervals, provide the best support with the least amount of fettering. We see this in camera equipment, cooking pots, etc and it will apply to anything expected to make good contact with an uneven surface. Add a fourth leg can help *only* if you can ensure that that leg is in full contact with the surface / base and can carry as close to its share of the weight as possible. This applies both in the conventional tripod leg-down position as well as the inverted "stove support" position. Given that both stoves position their 'arms' equally around the circumference of the circle, a three armed stove will always make good contact with the pot at regular positions around the base on all three arms, relatively equidistant from the centre of the pot. A four arm stove, with the slightest of deviations from either the stove or the pot itself will result in only three legs making contact and the fourth or "lowest" one, only acting as a catching arm. With the regular angle of the arms, that means that the pot's entire weight is carried across only half of its base with a single point on the other side waiting for it to tip in that direction. In other words, a four armed stove is reduced to a three armed stove with the arms not in optimal position. Bear in mind that metal expands in heat and that cooking produces that in abundance, the likelihood of all four arms making firm contact is heavily reduced. Try this... take a four armed stove, remove or don't extend one of the arms, and have a look at how and where it supports the pot. Uneven ground is going to negatively impact both and that is why we try to level the stove before using it. Put with the three armed stove already being the most stable, it will continue to be and the four arm stove is even more likely to 'fail'. Using a long handled pot will not change anything regarding the relative stability of each because it is not the number of arms you need to increase, but the length of the arms. A tripod with a long lens camera on it is unstable only if the lens extends past the base of the feet, so open the feet further. Unlike a lens, the handle of the pot is not the heavy part (or the pot will tip even on a glass top stove at home) but it will alter the centre of gravity by a small amount. Ensuring that the centre of gravity is still within the circle of the arms will fix that for you. The problem is that if you use a four armed stove, that circle is actually an elipse enclosing only the three arms that make contact. That's my experience anyway and no expectation on you to agree or accept it.

@@Karma-qt4ji Agreeing with points that MJin03 made. Think of a stove with a pot on top (arm count irrelevant) and consider the space between two of the arms. Now, draw a line between the point farthest from the axis on each of those two arms where the pot is touching, this becomes the balance axis for the pot, and the middle of this line is the shortest distance at which the pot can become unbalanced. If weight in a pot is beyond that axis in an outward-from-stove-center direction, it will tip off. Empty titanium pans with handles certainly are prone to this, which is why MJin says put the handle over a support. Putting the handle over the support makes it less likely that the center of balance will occur outside these balance lines. Adding a fourth support (square vs triangle) moves those axes (sides of the shape) outward making it easier to keep one's objects center of mass within. Your point about uneven ground is also affected by this in a three dimensional way, as the center of mass is actually a three-dimensional point occurring above the plane of the bottom of the pot. As the assembly becomes uneven the pot center of mass will move outward towards the "downhill" side while balance axes will continue to be vertical. While it's true that wind could cause one support to heat/expand more and make a pot that's slightly wobbly, that wobble doesn't translate to increased risk of tipping because (in principle) it affects neither the balance axes nor the center of pot mass.

@@Karma-qt4jiwhile I agree a tripod is much more stable for holding a camera or a cooking pot suspended over a fire, I don’t agree this is true of an inverted tripod. The characteristics that give a tripod its stability are removed when they no longer are the base but are at the top. Having 4 supports bears more weight than 3 all being the same. Plus, 3 or 4 prongs, they are both supported by the same base so the tripod advantage is gone.

Completely agree, sometimes everyone recommends the same thing because that thing just works.

I tend to agree. Yet here are two facts: 1. Theorizing and loading our online shop carts is so quick and easy! That's why us consumers do it much more often than going outdoors. - 2. Gear vids click. You see it in the number of views, and some 'youtubers' even give us their actual monetization and link it to their type of content.

Check out: John Zahorian, Jupiter Hikes, Dan Stenziano, Seeking Lost, Jerry Arizona and Josh Carr

well then why are you here?? This is a gear review channel with some hiking education tips mixed in. jeez. Plenty of just-hiking channels out there. I like both kinds

The gear focus is a RU-vid problem. If I look for woodworking, hiking, computer etc. on RU-vid the gear oriented channels tend to win in the algorithm. Why? Many reasons i guess, but one is the "creators" trying to make a living on this plattform (Witch we all know is a scam) need the sponsor money. Money in the system favour RU-vid in the end.

Gear videos gets more views + people buys the stuff using your links = even more money. Can't blame them for doing what people want. I agree with you tho.

Amen brother praying for your adventures ✝️❤️

Wait! You got milk with your cereal? Unbelievable!

Luxury - when we were young, we slept in a hole in the ground, no tent, and were grateful for a handful of soil on top of a stone for a pillow, and a leaf for a blanket. Yet if you tell the kids today, they wouldn’t believe it!

true story

You had a fork? Lucky…

Is the regulator for flame control? The Soto Amicus stove with ignitor has that.

@@BenKvisler it’s a micro regulator that regulates pressure, allowing more efficient use of fuel, especially at higher altitudes and/or cooler temperatures. It is not the same thing as the flame control knob, which is a feature on all canister stoves.

Absolutely love my windmaster. It was expensive, but it's dang near hurricane proof.

@@phillipp1399 thank you

This. Crazy that was overlooked.

And the crux is quiet compared to a lot of stoves

Sometimes it's a regional thing. Most of the more popular outdoor RU-vidrs are based in the US, and a lot of non-US brands aren't well known or stocked in the US.

probably because optimus is from sweden

Optimus is found in Cabela's, Bass Pro Shops, and many other common outdoor stores. It's not JetBoil, for sure, but it's not exactly a boutique brand, either. Being Swedish isn't necessarily "off the grid" ... see: Fjallraven. Optimus is owned by Katadyn, the Swiss large brand that also makes/sells the BeFree water filter product line, which, despite its being non-US, is hardly an unknown. I think there's something else going on and it's more likely to be connected to this video's main thrust: people have settled on MSR Pocket Rocket, that's it, and that's that. Maybe they'll look at something new, but only if it's something new. Optimus/Katadyn probably hasn't done enough to market to these influencers, either.

it is the headlamp of choice for car thieves and cat burglars lol

I have the HydroBlu and have not had any trouble with the caps. I like it better than the sawyer because of the caps and it's threaded on both ends.

I bought the kit and I swear it was the same price as he quoted for the stove alone. Got 2 pots (one small one that acts like a lid) for like $40 at REI. It’s not the best pot but it saved me from buying a separate one

Same thing happened to me with the Soto Windmaster. It's still a good stove, if you don't mind a useless igniter attached to it.

@@hikingwheather you’re correct sir. It’s the same igniter - it’s like an aftermarket add-on; it’s not their tech. I threw it out.

not bad. the odoland set is currently $21USD on amazon, with an upgraded set for $35.

@@scottjl euro sell price is always with tax . Usa sell price is always without tax .

If you want gear reviews but you don't like the sales pitch, then you might like @TheOutdoorGearReview. Luke gives you the low down without the feeling that it's all sales.

That’s good insight. These items aren’t as expensive and so margins are lower

Margin % is not Margin $. Often Margin % is higher on Accessories than Hardgoods. (Former Hardgoods, Footwear and Accessories Buyer for a Specialty Outdoor Retailer) @@MyLifeOutdoors

i read where you can just add a little tubing to the handles and they work great.

@@klarsen100 They work better. particularly with cannister stoves, less so with alcohol, and even less so with twig stoves.

You should add meat to the menu! As my diet has new limitations I’ve needed to bring meat on my backpacking trips and deal with the increase in “camp kitchen” weight that is required. I can tell you straight up that cooking in a thin aluminum or titanium frying pan is a mess to clean. Teflon is good, ceramic if you don’t trust Teflon, and carbon steel if you can handle the weight and don’t line the previous two options. I’ve also needed to move up to a heavier stove with proper flame control. I wouldn’t worry about bears and meat specifically as long as you follow standard safe procedures (e.g. don’t cook off a pound of bacon right in your tent vestibule). Having more real food on trips means more weight, but it’s a wash where I am in Missouri bc water sources are so unreliable I end up packing more water anyway. As a result bringing heavier foods has greatly reduced my stress regarding finding good water sources.

Yeah, that's difficult. For up to 10 kilograms / 25 lb a 28-litre frameless pack will be OK. That's for day hikes with water, food, emergency bivy bag, first aid kit, wet weather gear, emergency food, etc. For longer trips there are lots of packs for up to 15 kg / 40 lb, if you can keep the weight under that. Something like the Osprey Exos. If you're hunting or fishing or climbing or need extra gear for other reasons then you'll need a pack that can carry the load without falling apart or crippling you. Not too many of those in these videos. Then there are considerations like heat vs cold, and going off-track through thick undergrowth or rocks versus sticking to good trails. And everyone's body is different, so the odds are you'll be buying a few packs to get a good one, just like everyone else does. 🙂 Good luck in your search!

I know 😂 Teases a self-reflective video on how the outdoors has become a fashion show that only the well-off can partake in-only to serve us yet another advert 😂

I swear this channel is just commercials at this point

@@JamesLewisTucker he is showing us alternative less well known gear that are out there. as a gear head i appreciate that.

agree. if the handles are folded out while you're heating water, they don't get too hot. having to keep up with a teeny, awkward pot grabber does not interest me.

Not true. The Soto is 2g less than my Toaks 750 w/o handles. Not enough to switch, but it is less weight.

@@0errant Toaks 750 with handles is lighter than Soto 750 with its pot gripper.

Buy the Soto Thermostack, bring the pieces you need, and leave the stuff at home that you don't. Much better value as a set than the Toaks.

Sounded interesting, so I took a look at their website. The lowest temp comfort rating I found was 30*F and it is $519. 56.4oz without the sack. Seems like an interesting idea that has no real application in the backpacking world.

Do you have any idea how heavy wool is? That is not going to be a backpacking bag.