It steers straight for you? WHY?! Canyon Bikes K.I.S. explained 

When seth can make a better video for KIS than the people at canyon who are literally getting paid for it. Love it.

As someone who does a lot of hike-a-biking on steep, lumpy terrain, I think it would be kind of helpful in preventing the front wheel from annoyingly flopping around like it likes to do in certain situations.

Another benefit is that on bike's with really slack head tube angles, it can help reduce the floppy feeling of the front wheel when climbing.

This concept is like a century old. Used to be a spring from back of fork crown to underside of downtube on porteurs and other city bikes.

The effect of the end of your diamondback-sponsorship on your channel is as you said, more variety and I'm loving it

Would have liked to hear more about how it feels jumping. Especially whips, bar turns and tables in the air

I think it's important to look at it as part of the entire system. You can run a fork with less offset, which would make the bike "twitchy", and then dial that back in with the KIS. The combination of the two could give you sharper handling without it being TOO sharp.

I think the real benefit of this is for bike storage! Not having the front wheel flop to the side would be a massive help

The question is if you can do a barspin, will it throw the bars back for you? Maybe Sam or Brad can test that out for Canyon.

Not all innovations are for everyone. I could see this being very beneficial for riders that are with one arm. This might help with fatigue and keep the bike stable when riding.

These videos always remind me that Seth can carry crazy speed on downhill through corners and tech-really talented rider

You know what? I like this. Maybe it is the future, but maybe it isn't. But I'm always happy to see attempts at novel innovations. As we approach "peak bike" these weird features are the only ways for companies to distinguish themselves from other brands.

Thanks Diamondback for dropping as sponsor. So cool to see all what this industry has to offer!

This has been around forever on old comuterbikes, at least in sweden. They put a spring between the front mudguard and the frame. It's useful when walking or parking your bike.

Steering dampers are used on motorcycles for ages. They got stuck because they simply work. This is a bit different than a steering damper, but imagine the amount of unwanted steering on a tech trail, I can imagine it works quite well. Also I hate when the handlebar doesn't stay straight on a bike repair stand, I would definitely benefit from it :)

This feels like the next step above the Trek KnockBlock which I really have grown to love for predictability around the shop and while loading onto racks. I’m really digging this!

I have mixed feelings about this. I love the fact that mountain bikes are becoming machines that fly through the woods and we're experiencing comfort levels we never dreamed of on a mountain bike, but at the same time I don't like the fact that mountain bikes become more complicated and expensive by the season, the mountain biking scene is putting out snob vibes and that's a bad thing because a lot of people are out of it because of the price ranges. Seth "bike hacks" is such genuine biking thing because we want a culture where you don't run into the nearest bike shop at the first minor problem.The flip series gets so much love because it shows that you can still enjoy mountain biking on a budget, is possible. Please do more stuff like that before you lose touch with a big part of the mountain bikers that love you.Don't get me wrong I don't hate on your expensive fleet (you earned it) or on progress in general, but at some point it might become unrelatable for some of us.

I would like to see a „Maintenance“ Video of the KIS system. I know they claim that its maintenance-free but lets be real we all know we would take it apart at least once, so I’d like to see someone who has not actively worked on developing it take it apart and put it back together in real time. Maybe that would give another view on the whole complexity topic.

I love your honesty. I'm not a MTB'er per say, but your videos are always entertaining, and you are VERY good at putting everything into layman's terms. I like your open mindedness to accept controversial parts that work better than you anticipated, as well as your ability to see possible issues with new tech and expose it for the placebo they are. Keep up the great work.

Seth, just stopped in to say I'm an avid budget bike rider. I took the Schwinn Boundary, stripped it to the frame, and upgraded everything. I'm not a serious mnt biker but do like riding some trails. I know you have high end bikes but I do love your flip bike videos and have become a fan from watching those!! This video was interesting to! I do like keeping up with all the new tech with mnt biking. I loved your back yard mnt bike trail videos! Keep the videos coming!

I was initially concerned about how to repair it but seeing it can be removed through the frame is cool.

Who else is exited for the building season soon?

Yet another insightful video! Well done, Seth!!

WOW! Something that I though is useless makes the bike handle easier in the corers. That just made my brain open to the next level of new things. Thanks for sharing!

When I saw the original Canyon video, I definitely thought this was a stupid feature. But Seth convinced me that it has value. Great, balanced, and fair presentation of the costs and benefits.

I like that it enables more hands free riding. Now I can text and ride.

Heard about this like more than 9 months ago, haven't heard a thing until this channel brought it up again.

I've been watching your stuff for the last 4days straight. Still ain't bored 😅 Good stuff dude 👌👌👌❤️

Seth, you are a legend, thank you for what you do!!

Reminds me of the Knock Blox on my Trek - didn’t know how much I hated it until it broke and now it’s not in my way any more 🤣 Definitely creating a solution to a problem that didn’t exist.

So nice videos, dude. keep doing this. ~10 minutes is the best choice of how long video i am llooking for to watch after a hard business day. You style also is very nice. Glad to found your channel. Hello from friendly Russia!

Thanks Seth! When I heard about K.I.S. I was waiting for your video about it.

The tension in the bars basically gives you more leverage with which to swing the rear wheel out! Pretty cool. I also like that it prevents the bike's bars from flopping to one side as you load the bike up or simply lift it up; it's always been a pet peeve of mine when my bike falls over because the bars decided to swing over.

Watching you put the bike on the rack like that was a dream.

Great unbiased review, nice work Seth.

Great idea i reckon, gives adjustment options for if your bike tends to oversteer or understeer

So you talked about how a bike is normally self-stabilizing if you try to ride it without hands. My question is, does enabling this feature actually inhibit that? Could be an interesting test.

Interesting product. In terms of the idea that the KIS system is effectively pushing the back end of the bike, I would guess that the effect is actually fairly minimal. But if it does actually have any noticeable effect then it's worth noting that there is a principal of "negative steering" where, particularly at speed, you turn the handlebars to the left to initiate a turn right and vice-versa. It's more prevalent on motorbikes where the wheel weights are heavier but if you really pay attention you naturally use this technique on pedal bikes as well. This is because the steering action works with the centrifugal force of the wheel to help lean the bike over going in to the turn. If those springs were providing any meaningful force on the tail of the bike then it would be in the wrong direction.

Excellent review, this channel is very logical and rider-focused. I can never predict Seth's view or opinion unless it's solidly predictable. But I can always agree on some point made or make allowing concessions based on his piece. I don't like the KIS, but am intrigued to what an all season trail beast would make of it given they'd benefit the most. Bloody marvelous.

Hit the obstacle in the same way in the exact opposite direction LOL. Nice video, thanks for keeping it concise!

If you want to test, just tie an elastic string on handlebars to the center of the frame like a triangle and you will have exactly the same effect.

Very stoked about you being able to do something like a review on this. Looking back on the diamondback days I’m sure you wouldn’t have been able to get this.

Excellent work . Definitely made me think different of this product

This is perfect for when Seth eats his lunch no-handed.

I like the idea and functionality in concept. Having not ridden anything with it I can't say anything else. I would like to see this as an external option instead of frame integrated though. I feel like frame integration makes it feel very proprietary if it catches on. Having some frames with internal, and some with external adaptations of this would be the best moving forward if it becomes more common in my opinion.

This looks like a great idea! My father owned a motorcycle suspension company for 20+ years and MTB riders used to say suspension would never make it on mountain bikes because of weight. And just a few years later look at the mtb market now. This may be for top performance bikes. Technology always evolves I wouldn’t be surprised if the accuracy of the tension improves and multiple models are produced

I love all the new content about other brands and their weird bike concepts, keep it up Seth! Also, do you think you could do a review on a commencal bike? I’ve been riding their hardtail for over a year and I absolutely love it! Although, this years model took 10mm off the suspension, so it might feel different than the one I have. I would still love to see your thoughts on it!

I hope Seth got paid well for this. His influence is crazy. Dozens of dentist are probably at the Canyon checkout screen before the video ends

I feel like the K.I.S. system ignores the K.I.S.S. directive and there is a certain beauty (or annoyance) to that

I’ve watched every video on Canyon KIS…you standing on that stool finally made it make sense

Cool to see fresh content on true new tech

Love it or hate it - I can't say I buy the "zero maintenance" part. The spring will fatigue over time and have less tension. It might take a really long time, but it will happen eventually.

This has kinda been around already. My dad has an old bike with a spring attached to the downtube and fork and I've seen a few other bikes with that as well. I guess that's just kinda a more low tech version of the k.i.s. that wouldn't really do anything while mountainbiking. I think the k.i.s. is very interesting and could probably help, but I definitely can't afford a non-used bike

This is an old trick used on city bikes. When you park the bike by leaning it on a post, the front wheel turns in and the bike want to roll backwards and fall down. The centering spring keeps the wheel straight and the bike does not fall down. Helps too when using a kickstand. I tried it but removed it again after I found that riding no hands is difficult unless the speed is high. We won't know if the KIS is really beneficial on MTBs until it has been used for a while. Good video.

This isn't an ideal MTB product, but it makes a lot of sense with porteur, cargo, or any basket bike or bike with front panniers. It also makes a big difference for those trailside Instagram pics and locking up at a rack, or at a stop light in traffic! Most of these things are also good reasons to have a dropper post on those bikes too! All good reasons to have this type of equipment(velo orange and a few others sell aftermarket devices like this) on a commuter or city bike, but I trust your MTB expertise on it, because I don't ride off-road often. I hope Canyon integrates this with their Ebikes and Cargo/City bikes, but usually you see these technologies hit the most expensive bikes in the lineup first, even if it might seem superfluous or silly. Thanks for making this video!

Dutch guy here. As most people know we do a lot of commuting per bike here in the Netherlands, and we have had similar systems here for as long as I can remember. Probably since the '80's or '90's at least. You mostly see it on ladies-bikes that have a shopping-basket or baby-carrier mounted to the front of the bicycle, and it is meant to help keep the handlebars straight when the bike is parked on the side-stand in order to prevent the bike from tipping over with that extra weight on the front. It's a completely different purpose but practically the same system, with two springs that are connected to each side of the steering tube and the frame at the top of the front end. Funny to see it now being used as some sort of performance enhancement. I just hope they weren't able to patent it as it's really nothing new.

*It adds cost, weight, MAINTENANCE* It's just two springs on a band, the only time when you'll have to maintain it is when you'll snap the band, and even in that scenario I think the bike is going to work perfectly fine, though the springs may start bashing on the inside of the frame. ALSO: Dutch upright city bikes use this thing for years to keep handlebars nice and straight, although it's external and only with one spring. In my opinion, I would quite like it on my budget XC. The seating position is really good on that bike, though sometimes, when the terrain is not rough (street), I lean myself into upright position and only steer my bike with one finger. I think the KIS springs would make this "riding technique" easier.

Let’s Gooooo! I’ve been waiting for Seth to do a video about this.

I love watching Seth ride new bikes, and the old bikes. He's truely a RIPPER!!

I like how you can do this now - forgive me if I'm wrong but would you have been allowed to do this with your db sponsor?

I guess it might help stabilize the handle when you are doing wheelie without hands😂

I could see the benefits of this technology! Especially for someone who may have a disability and struggles with balance while riding. I have an uncle with Parkinson’s disease who MTBs and I bet KIS would help him a lot, as he struggles with keeping momentum and balance while riding. Also, CrankBrothers sponsors a Polish MTBer who has one leg and can only use one of his arms, and he uses a steering damper when he rides to help keep his bars straight. It’s pretty fascinating to see where the new technology is heading. And I liked that you mentioned that is is one innovation that doesn’t involve a battery!

Solid explanation, very interesting stuff! I like the idea.

I think it’s going to be on a lot of rec bikes because of how it’s easier to move around and provides a bit of stability. People who don’t ride a lot will enjoy it

I definitely know that going downhill through chunk requires a fair amount of upper body strength to hold a line. I could see how this would remove some of the effort required as trail obstacles try to kick the steering out and force the bike off line.

Look as a (intermediate) car mechanic I like this. It reminds me of well suspension components like your steering stabilizer.

It’s easy to snicker at something like this. Thanks for proving me wrong and making me interested

Innovation is what counts, it moves any industry forward.

This video could singlehandedly change the future of this technology

Seth I’ve been watching Berm Peak Express for well over a year now and just leaning, today, about your main channel. Do what you want with this information.

the riding clips, those i love. I wanna see a full riding sesh please

I think I mentioned this on canyons original video, but this would be great for kid bikes

Gimmick 100%... Coming from a motorcycle background I have never seen this, you rely on the geometry of the bike to centre the steering,. This is adding effective drag and so losing feel, like riding with a crappy or tight head bearing. If a bike is unstable on the bumpy stuff, play with the suspension angles / geometry, if that doesn't work then add a steering damper not self centering springs...

When I saw this in my feed I wanted to click away and not look at it. But I‘m glad I did because I actually like seeing where this will go. Definitely keen on trying it some time.

My cargo bike has a similar system, but it's just a single elastic strip hooked into the back of the top of the fork. It's very nice for loading and unloading the bike, and being a long and heavy cargo ebike, the natural return to center from the geometry needs some help as well.

I think it makes alot of sense, when you ride dirtbikes you have the speed and rotational forces of the wheel to help you keep the bike in line with the trail. Since Ive started riding bikes iv'e noticed that they are really flimsy and this system would help to stabilise the bike in curves and i'd imagine it could help you not land on a bad angle when you yoump.

It is a great idea and I would love to try it out, but I think it is more like a marketing thing because bike companies are just trying to make something that is different and not necessarily better. I'm positive though that they can make something out of this.

That is so awesome. Coming from the motocross side feels like something I'd love to shred

Really well explained! Thx.

this honestly looks really fun and at the same time very scary. imagine trying to do a no hander and the bars bouncing side to side 😂

I could see it being useful for loading or on a city bike in a rack. It goes against how We balance a bike. We are constantly making tiny counter steering inputs to keep the bike upright. Plenty of comments on not being able to ride with no hands with this system. Watch Your front tire while riding with no hands. Lots of tiny little self correcting movements. The gyro effects of the wheels also helps.

Great video! :) 👍

I like the concept . The bars naturally turn left our right standing still . I have broke a collar bone with my front wheel turned to the left , locked and over the bars I went . This may have prevented that . Also I could see a benefit leaning the bike into turns and less of a bar movement .

I would be very pleased to see canyon take on this legend!

Such a great break down. Who else could have layed it out so well?

its all ways a good day when Seth uploads

I think this is an awesome concept and they executed it very well. I think its gonna turn out to be one of those things that some people will absolutely love and others will have no interest in ever using. And thats okay.

Congrats on your canyon sponsorship!

Thanks for your honest opinion. Look slike an interesting system.

So I reckon this is basically a “slack head tube angle emulator” at speed. It gives more self centering (usually achieved with caster) but avoids the pitfalls of slack head tubes like really long wheelbase. Interesting tech, might be snake oil (GT iDrive anyone?) but good to see innovation for sure

Great video!

I can certainly see the benefit of a Return To Centre (RTC) steering damper in a 4x4. Vehicles with significantly increased tire diameter can suffer steering instability issues, but just as you experienced at maximum tension, they cause the machine to fight the driver/rider with extra fatigue resulting when used for prolonged periods. I guess good for people who want it, but would be better as an optional accessory than a standard fitment.

I wanted to mount a simple spring from the bottom of the forks arch to the downtube of my old MTB which had a rack with a hefty plastic container on top, originally from the side of a Moto Guzzi. It was just too heavy and, when leaning, it would pull into the turn too much. Plus it'd fix the issue of the handlebars turning when leaned against something, making the bike fall; regardless of the added weight.

5:06 This observation/ explanation/ demonstration really made it make sense to me. The connection of front and back is intriguing. Not just aiming a wheel, but bending the bike. Then this 7:17. People can joke all they want, this sounds like an excellent fringe benefit! This is the first video I've seen from this channel and I must say: Sir, please calm your eyebrows. 😄 Got more eyebrow movement than The Rock in his WWE days.

for 12 yrs I was a low-speed, Urban rider, THIS would be F'n Amazing on commuter/urban bikes cities like Denver, s.f., Reno, I can see this coming in handy on uphills when your front end is light. I need to look into that Syntace tech also....

people "we want improved tolerances in press fit bottom brackets!" manufactures: "say hello to panties rubber band!!!"

Interested to see where this goes as it is definitely something that could be useful

This looks very interesting.

Bar none, one of the best technology presentations ever. I love it that the Cannondale lefty and the Slingshot bicycle historical tech is brought in. One went away in very short order, the other is still here literally decades later. I remember the Softride bicycle that has the seat attached to a bonded elastomer arm. I'm old enough, and remember back far enough that mountain bike trails were rare and travelled so seldom they would become over grown with vegetation. I would encourage all that would like to see MTB history to find and watch the old bicycle movie "Tread". Mountain biking was just taking off in the mainstream at that time and culture was in it's infancy. There were several printed paper magazines that were sold on stands at grocery stores back then. If only one could go back through that history and see some of the arguments about new tech, then come here today and compare the arguments about new tech.

I guess its a bit like weighting the power steering or lowering mouse sensitivity in a FPS to reduce input chatter. My guess is they make it speed sensitive for emtbs like modern power steering; light for parking heavy for motorways. For me personally with most of these things on mtb's (abs,egears,emtbs,droppers) it comes to enjoyment factor not necessary lap times. I have an old rally car precisely because of it's fun factor.