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honestly it's pretty fishy that the architect was made the fall guy. Meanwhile the mayor gets to continue making billions with his wife who was also responsible.
I’m an architecture student. Architects are responsible for design flaws, but structural engineers are responsible for structural flaws. It is mostly common for architecture firms to have a structural engineer to either plan the structure supporting systems or approve the architect’s calculations for structural supports. However some buildings have collapsed because of the construction managers who decide to cut corners and ignore the architect’s/engineer’s instructions. I studied a case about a mid-rise apartment with a row of stacked balconies. The stacked balconies collapsed on each other and had a domino effect. After investigations, it was found that the construction crew decided to modify the supporting system that was designed by the structural engineer in order to cut cost and pocket more money. Therefore the engineer and architect were not at fault, their designs would have prevented the collapse.
The mayor have changed a few times tho? The construction started in 2000 when mayor was popov, than, in 2001 mayor was Lujkov for like 10 years, now mayor is sobyanin. Everyone likes him, Moscow did became better
99.9 % of these types of disasters happen because of the greed of someone in charge. Saving a dollar at the expensive of the lives of others. It's sad.
I dont know the details, but I hope he at least had his ability to work as an architect revoked. If you want to claim advanced age as the issue, you should have to stick to that and be assumed that you can’t continue due to your advnced age
As true as your statement is, I'm afraid their willful ignorance makes it look like you're merely talking to a brick wall. Simply telling them isn't enough anymore.
Its strange too because what I can tell from the construction footage, plenty of rebar was used in the structure. Why skimp out on the main load bearing support of the super structure like that? How much money could have been saved from that move really?
@juuiko ok that makes far more "sense" lol. Still insane tho. Not wanting to redo calculations is the same thing that failed the suspended walkway in the Hyatt Regency. Glad it's such a rare problem.
If I recall correctly, the Hyatt Regency failure was due to revisions performed by the contractor on the shop drawings that weren't addressed or properly recognized during review.
@IanSlatas yes they revised the plans (changed the single rod design to two rods) and then didn't redo the calculations based on the different physics. And then the lead engineer approved the design anyway.
The next question would be, why the architect had to decide, which typ of concrete is getting used, because this should always be decided by the engineer
Because architects do whatever they want. Architects design buildings based off how they look rather than how they can support them. At my university architects don’t even have a class on the science behind supporting building. At the end of the day the architect is the one with the final say most of the time because it’s “their building”. Accidents like this would happen a lot less if every decision had to be checked with an engineer.
@@ztonner5166Nope. Architects do what the client wants. If the client wants to sacrifice structural stability for the sake of profit then they will. Also the choice of structural material is usually evaluated by the engineers, but the blame will always lie with the architect since they have to oversee the entire project. The architect’s job is to reconcile the (usually nonsensical) needs of the client with what the engineers can feasibly accomplish. They’re not autocrats of the design process. You’ll start to understand this when you go into practice.
corners being cut to save money is never a surprise in these incidents. I guess if one thing is a cultural commonality across the world is there will always be someone willing to compromise safety for some extra numbers on their bank account.
That guy who died on that free fall type ride in Orlando was caused by a park worker being in a hurry and taking a shortcut on checking the safety bar across the guy's abdominal area. He was a big dude and really too large for the seat, they should've asked him to not ride if the safety bar wouldn't close properly over the guy's stomach. My ex husband was overweight and he didn't ride a lot of things at Disney World because he couldn't get properly in the seat.
Might I interest you in the story of a small aircraft manufacturer called Boeing who didn't want to recertify their 737-MAX8 planes so they cut corners by inventing a system called MCAS without telling authorities or pilots about it? 😂
Since the roof collapsed right above the children section there were children trapped under it's wreckage. There was an 8 year old girl Sasha that got trapped with a 3 year old girl Masha she didn't knew. Masha didn't know how to swim, so Sasha, who had a broked arm at this point, picked her up and was holding for 1,5 hour until the rescuers found them. Sasha was told to dive under the concrete bloke wich she could do somewhat easy, but she needed to hold the other girls' hand or Masha would get stuck alone in the dark. Thankfully both girls were fine as were they parents. I knew this story since I was very little and it always amazed me. My family lived right behind this park, you can actually see our house in the background on these videos. And we visited this park from time to time, I was about 2-3 years old than. For many years there was only the memorial but at 2013 a new park opened. It is somewhat creepy and it's not crazy popular. Another thing to be noted, two years later fallen dawn the roof of another building (a big market) designed by the very same architect.
To some, when compared to others tragedies of this scale, 28 lives lost might seem like a small figure. But any number above 0 is not a small figure; every life is precious, no matter how small or old. Waterparks should be safe (I know they're historically not) and I honestly didn't think that an indoor one would be at risk for something like this. Seems no one is safe from shoddy designs and the hubris of men.
Can't even describe strong enough how pathetically and dangerously inconsiderate it is. Why? What makes money worth so much more than the lives who help you make it?
Wow, they seriously just dropped the whole case simply because he was 68, as if seniors are entitled to do literally anything without any consequences whatsoever. The corruption in this case is so ridiculously obvious and over-the-top, it seems like it must be a joke. You couldn't even write that into a movie script without critics panning it for being too damn absurd.
$33 may not sound like a lot to Americans but have to remember most Russians today only make $120 - $200 USD per month (especially in the early 2000's), unless you are in IT/networking. So it's a luxury trip many can not afford.
I'm an American mother in a family of six. I don't know the last time my entire family was able to go out to see a movie together. $33 per person times six people is beyond my budget. So I can understand that for many, this would have been a special thing to save up for.
We literally live in a world where lives are dispensable if you are rich enough, and you are definitely rich enough if you cut corners on safety to have the highest profit margins.
It's not really "rich" people. Just because you have money does not mean you are "in the elite club". To the elite, even some rich folks are "not people".
@@locklear308 that is so broad it hurts to read, there's billions of people and probably thousands of elite clubs and each has their own things going on, at the end of the day if you are in charge of a pharmaceutical company that kills thousands and makes billions in profits than you can afford to pay off the families of the deceased and continue your operations.
@@badgamedevreacts3855 "elite" is not the same as the casual term elite. There is a drastic difference that needs to be acknowledged. These elite have power, whether that power is actual "authority" or money, or both. This "blame the rich" nonsense distracts from the real threats.
That explains perfectly why they chose not to go with Donald Trump's vision to rebuild the Twin Towers in the aftermath of 9/11. It would have been an insult to the families of the 3,000 lives lost that day and an ill omen to the possibility - no matter how slim - of another 9/11-style attack happening again in exactly the same way as before. Even if they had gone with a modernized approach by using a glass curtain wall on the outside of the buildings to make the buildings look and feel more modern, it still would have been in very poor taste. The way they ended up redeveloping the World Trade Center site ended up being the most tasteful way they could have done it. Personally, I would have likely had the fountains as central pools completely filled with water and having a jet of water spouting from each of the names of the people killed, along with a school of about 1,500 fish in each pool. Even bringing back the music that used to play would likely have been in poor taste.
There was an explosion and fire in amusement park Liseberg in Gothenburg Sweden a few weeks ago. I think the reason remains unclear. One person died. Maybe this case could become a video?
Would love that but I suppose such an investigation would take at least 2 years. The video will be spectacular, though. Plus we get to have the excuse of “It was just a cigarette” if it’s the fault of an occupant.
I love this kind of content. It’s horror and tragedy on the realest level which Hollywood can’t provide in a typical movie. I enjoy listening to these videos while at work.
Of course the architect and park managers wanted to blame anything or anyone else instead of taking responsibility for their terrible planning and negligence. Gotta love them trying to pass the buck. The part about the architect getting off the hook because of his age is absolutely infuriating! Age should have no part in serving justice to someone who was not only a poor planner and cost cutter (and thereby a murderer), but also a liar who immediately made up a story about terrorism. Those poor families!
Wow. No justice for the children who lost their lives, because the "engineer" was "too old" to, what, go to jail? Pay out restitution? But not too old to have a career afterward? But if you try to run for president...
"When children were slaughtered in a place that they should've built safe! That's enough to make your skin crawl. If only I had skin...." That quote resonates through my head when I watched the video. Corruption, mismanagement, rushed construction, disorganisation amongst workers, rampant structural violations, and design weaknesses really had been the focal point to disaster killing quite a lot of people and children. Later on they blamed old age as a cause of the failure. If it was old age why didn't they retire? Because they rather make more money and speed up the construction.
Somehow this reminds me of the ice rink disaster in Southern Germany in January 2006. The only difference was that the roof was made of massive wooden beams (and that the reasons for the collapse were that they used the wrong glue for the beams which was water soluble and a heavy load of snow on the roof which led to the beams to fail).
Nodar Kancheli (21 April 1938 - 26 June 2015) was a Russian architect who designed a number of facilities including the Transvaal Park water park in Yasenevo and Basmanny Market. These two structures collapsed, killing a total of at least 89 people.
Странно слышать про Трансвааль на инязе. Особенно в нашем культе "забыть и не вспоминать. Небылоничего" и "богатеи не виноваты. Виноваты пострадавшие".
Yeah. The Funny mustache man also said something very similar, also the people in charge of building road in my neighbourhood, and the contractor for the apartment next door, and the guy who try to sell used house. Come to think of it isn't stand for 100 years meant more and more upkeep in maintenence?
Unfortunately, this kind of corruption is the norm in Russia. They had a fire in a shopping mall in Siberia that killed over 30 people in 2018. It turned out the fire alarm system had been turned off due to multiple false alarms and the local fire marshal had been bribed by the mall owners.
So many 'experts' in the comments.. just watch some other videos on this channel, like the MGM Vegas hotel fire, and you will discover that greed and corruption are not exclusively Russian issues.
@@williet.3058 Sure there's corruption everywhere but it's on another level in Russia. It's terrible at every level of power and they barely even try to hide it. Some estimates say as much as 25% of Russia's entire GDP is lost to corruption and it's made some public services basically useless, you don't see that in the west.
Corruption is a problem that exists in all countries, there are many cases of even worse corruption in the USA, one of the best examples being the miami condo collapse. Corruption is a problem with capitalism itself which forces companies to be as greedy as possible
Transvaal used to be a province in South Africa, when we still had a constant supply of electricity.... and water.... and very few potholes, and our railway system worked properly, as well as our airlines. Now I was informed that Russia had a Transvaal Park... which failed.
I and my family spend many vacations at the Wolf Lodge Waterpark and I can't imagine what those people went through. It will make me think next time we go but at least it's in America.
Amazing video. Keep up the great work. I always enjoy your videos there just so interesting. From train disasters to explosions you cover so much. Once again keep up the great work!
5 fahrenheit is -15 celsius, btw. Disregarding the horror, but going from a balmy (what i can assume 25 celsius (77 fahrenheit) to minus 15 celsius (5 fahrenheit) is shocking in it's own way. No pun intended.
Even me, who knows nothing about architecture, can say that changing the integral material of support beams mid construction sounds like a terrible terrible idea….. AND THEY DIDN’T EVEN USE RE-INFORCED CONCRETE ?! To me that sounds very very bad…. Their greed cost the life of so many and destroyed families, and they don’t even get punished appropriately. Common scenario sadly
would not call it "traditional", at least for Moscow... it seems a fairly new style design copying western patterns... but it did better adapt to the harsh climate then the previous choice.
Imagine not using reinforced concrete. It’s pretty much standard for all buildings at this point. Concrete and steel rebar have a perfect relationship to work together. Steel rebar is important as it prevents the concrete from bowing and bending by acting in tension while the concrete acts in compression from the forces of weight around it
@@nanonymous9139That's what I think the video meant to say as well, that they chose reinforced concrete instead of pre-stressed or post-tension concrete. I have zero love of stressed concrete, but even I recognize if you aren't going to use it, you need a lot more reinforced concrete.
As long as monetary profit is the biggest driving force behind everything we do/build things like this are just gonna keep happening. Cutting corners to save money/mske profit is usually the biggest reason behind these tragedies, things need to change fast, before the whole world goes to the gutter.
As someone who is really into the amusement industry, none of these videos bring tears to my eyes like ones involving the industry. I work at an indoor waterpark, so does my boyfriend. These tragedies hit so hard because of all these videos, the ones involving my beloved industry are the ones I see myself in the shoes of the victims the easiest.
Hold on...they build another waterpark on top of the site where a bunch of people died at a waterpark? That just feels a bit tone deaf. I would feel super awkward going there.
How eerie to have an even bigger water park in the same exact place as the one that caused such a horrible tragedy … almost a way to say “let’s brush this under the rug and put it in the past by putting an even bigger money maker in its place to help move on.” Even shittier when you learn the majority of the victims and their loved ones didn’t even get formal compensation for their trauma and injuries (or death) endured by the negligence of another - like the victims are the ones to somehow blame while no one making the real decisions was ever actually punished for their lousiness.
We've had disasters here also - caused by the architect's approved design being changed by the development and/or construction company. Always catastrophic.
My dad once taught me when I was a kid that sometimes your better off buying the more expensive item than the cheaper one, because sometimes if you buy the cheaper one instead of the bigger brand there's a 50/50 chance that the cheaper brand won't last as long or be as durable (though truly depending on the brand, their reputation, quality of products, services, etc.). All sympathies to the family's who were affected by this travesty.
Here in my hometown Göteborg, Sweden. We had a Big disaster a couple of weeks ago. Liseberg Oceana water park did burn down...it was only months from opening. Had been planed for over 10 years...and went up in flames. One even lost his life...now it lies in ruins.
I was blown away, when you mentioned they did not use reinforced concrete! I thought it was strange that the concrete had failed...then it made sense! Interesting details for such a tragedy! Thanks! I will subscribe too!
I was so very confused in the beginning and thought this was in South Africa's Transvaal and was thinking "I don't remember this happening?? Why don't I remember this happening??"
2:32 it is about 46F(approx 8C) now and I stepped outside to smoke a cigarette. I’m wrapped in TWO blankets and I’m still cold so I cannot even BEGIN to imagine how cold these MFs were handling that. I mean I guess “They’re Russian! Woo hoo!” But still!
Apparently the lessons of Kansas City’s Crown Center skywalk collapse in 1981, killing 114, didn’t penetrate the Russian design and engineering. As always in this type of event, somewhere costs are cut to line someone’s pockets. Greed is the same on both sides of the Pacific Ocean.
It’s almost unbelievable that everyone got off without being held accountable. But it’s also Russia where this was clearly all political or they would’ve at least kept the architect from designing more buildings.
Pretty sure "unstressed" and "reinforced" concrete terms are incorrectly used. (as well as the drawing shown around 11:35) I suspect it was supposed to be "unstressed reinforced" and "prestressed reinforced" concrete. There would never be un-reinforced concrete in a roof. And footage clearly shows plenty of reinforcing bar in the aftermath.
This was obviously built using reinforced concrete. You can see the twisted and snapped reinforcing in all of the photos. I believe the narrator meant to say that they didn't use post-tensioned concrete instead of transitional reinforced concrete. This structure could have easily been designed to work simply with reinforced concrete, but post-tensioning allows you to take more advantage of the compressive strength while holding the concrete in compression under larger loads that would otherwise crack in tension. Post-tensioning allows for a more efficient design, but is not a requirement for a structure like this. This structure simply wasn't designed or connected properly. There are plenty of massive traditionally reinforced concrete structures out there with no post tensioning that are not in danger of collapse.
@@bridgetstoli2347in 90% of cases architectural work is not a priority here (which does quite a number on Russian cities) and sometimes an architect is not hired at all leaving all the job to engineers.
Many times such things are scripted in advance and people are told what to do. Not sure about Russia though. I thought they were quite ethical people with highest moral standards. I heard they are quite family oriented and brainer than most.
Kancheli was also the archtect of the market that collapsed Moscow in 2006 which killed 68 and maimed over 50. If you ever go to Moscow, check which architect designed each building before you visit it!
Nah land is expensive. You can't cover everything in memorial parks, and there is 0 difference whether you build a cinema, a gym or a Waterpark on the spot again.
Yeah, how dare they attempt to make a living off of the content that you get to watch for free? Despicable. How does someone even get this entitled? lmao
Not even 30 minutes ago, I was thinking, "What if the roof at the indoor waterpark I am at right now collapsed?" Then I see this when I go back to my room.
Oh my god, when he said at the end that an even bigger waterpark is now on the same site, I guffawed so loud, it shocked the hell out of me. I'm not sure why, but it might have something to do with weird karma or whatever. If that happened here, I'm not sure anyone would go, they'd be too creeped out.
