It was just an Eric Bischoff rehab project | Who Killed WCW finale | Wrestling Observer Radio 

Shout out to that WCW ring ending up in the island of Trinidad, somehow

Absolutely horrible analogy.

They never brought up 1999 which annoyed me because Russo, although he does deserve some of the blame for expediting WCW’s demise, WCW was already in free fall by the Summer of 1999.

@@cmurphy0707The Hummer angle alone. Bischoff was fired for good reason in September of 99, and WCW was terminal by then.

@@mistere9099 Agreed, in 1999 they went from 485,000 PPV buys in February to 175,000 by July.

@@cmurphy0707And where I’ll give Bischoff some credit is that on his podcast he talks about how in 1999 he was creatively shitting the bed and had nothing in the tank.

Bruh 🤣

Yeah there's some usual suspects involved 👃

Kind of makes you scratch your head and Go hmmm

Facts 👍

Janel Gray. She got his entire career canceled.

NFL, below deck, CNN, FOX news, just off the top of my head

I watch Reliving the War on Wrestling Bios (check it out if you haven't already) and you aren't wrong, though it does have moments where it's really trying. But Russo is about to come over now in the timeline of the series (September 1999) and its all downhill to the grave from here. With that said, I don't think WWF was much better in 1999. It still better but it also has its issues, and Russo leaving was the best thing that could've happened for WWF at that point.

@@Sockimus, as far as I'm concerned, 1998 WWF was FAR, FAR better than 99. They disappeared up their own arses (Corporation, Corporate Ministry, ALL the Undertaker rubbish). But WCW was already crumbling, and the Rock was incredible. I honestly prefer WCW at its peak to just about any product (I've not watched enough Crockett or All Japan). But even in mid-98, there are deep problems. Goldberg, though incredibly over, is not amazing, the NWO have already jumped the shark, and Hogan just needed to be gone. The WCW midcard was phenomenal, but so badly used (not dissimilar to current AEW).

​@rob776 I remember watching Goldberg win the title on Nitro as a kid with my brother and I'd never been so excited/invested in wrestling like I was in that moment. Gives me that real warm nostalgia feeling just thinking about it.

Reminds me of Dynamite

@@rob776It wasn’t “rubbish” ya mook😒

How? Neither of us were there.

Why do you subscribe to these ppl if you hate aew and you think these ppl are aew shills

because its fun to mock​@@SeeingShadows

@beauclark1650 why don't u be happy and watch cornette or bishoff you always clown aew and shill for the wwe

@@SeeingShadows Dave has some good takes - especially on older stuff. He has a total blind spot for AEW being trash the same way Russo does for WCW.

You're really owning the shit out of these two geeks by watching and leaving a comment on their video!

ummm, you know, i mean, yeah, whatever

"The thing was is, you know it's like freakin... You were there and the thing is is, or it was, is that..." Yeah, it's a mystery that nobody wanted to interview him for television.

Errr, uhhh, yeaaaah, you know, ommmmm

Worth

Lets hear you speak

@@burnerwerzog, then why click on a F4W video?

I mean, if you're a happy idiot who'll believe stupid shit, sure!

​@@Julian-xj6mh I don't think anyone will claim that WCW didn't make mistakes, but to single them out and use that as the catalyst for their downfall is ridiculous.

@@Julian-xj6mhYou’re a mook😒

What merger?

​@@_WF23seriously?

Broooooo this mf talked the whole time 😂😂😂

@tylersauls3557 if he's ever on non wrestling podcasts it's more noticeable. Brians too nice and let's him talk

i mean its his show...uhmmmm...like...ya know....its like...like...hmmm...ya know

⁠@@n.7482uhmmmmmmmmmm BRIAN

Is that not his job?

I own both, Guy Evens was informative, Bryan Alvarez was entertaining.

Yep. Guy really exposed Alvarez's WCW book for just going for the easy narrative the Bischoff, Hogan, Russo killed WCW because they knew wrestling fans would eat that up.

@coldsnap5742 So you're saying the narrative Alvarez's WCW book pushed is Turner execs killed WCW? Alvarez's book put the bulk of the blame on Bischoff, Hogan, and Russo. The point is Guy Evans book exposed Alvarez lack of journalism.

@coldsnap5742 You're delusional.

@coldsnap5742 You're delusional.

To be fair, most of those involved are proven to be pathological liars [Russo, Bischoff], would do anything to protect their spot at the total burial of everyone else [Nash] or suits who know how to cover their ass [every single Turner person interviewed]. Actually, Nash is a liar too, because he denied for YEARS that it was his idea to beat Goldberg, and he outright comes out and admits it in this doc. The Vice series was definitely created with the goal of making Russo and Bischoff sympathetic figures.

Bischoff was obviously a good mind for the sport, he was able to beat Vince for over a year

If you actually read the boo this documentary was based off you'd understand Bischoff had very little to do with WCW dying. Guy Evans is not a mark. He interviewed the actual executives at Time Warner for his book.

Get out of daves ass lol

Damn, imagine admitting to being that stupid

Screw AEW😒

AEW sucks😒

@@anthonylucero6650 WWE fanfool spotted

@@anthonylucero6650 Predator vince backer spotted

That's not fair. NXT is trying hard. Getting help now and again from main roster and TNA, and AEW.

@@johnnymittle NXT literally has higher ratings than AEW 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

​@@nbadecali1927no they don't

@@DarlaKajcayes they do.

@@nbadecali1927 Do they? Are the ratings out yet? This week NXT didn't have TNA or WWE main. Are you sure they are ahead of AEW?

vice produced the documentary before he passed away; dave does ramble, though.

@@meherenow793 Yeah, I know. It's just the way he phrased it made me chuckle.

You didn't have to be there when plenty of people talk about the shitshow WCW turned out to be.

Alvarez's book is shit. The real definitive book on the situation is Nitro written by Guy Evans. Evans didn't take the pro wrestling bullshit route. He went and interviewed actual execs for AOL and time Warner and got the actual reason for their demise.

​@@christianjames92That's what should be the take away for wrestling fans here. Alvarez's WCW book was exposed by Guy Evans. He actually put in work instead listening to disgruntled wrestlers.

Based on how little his recollection lines up with anyone elses, I'm not convinced Bischoff was there either.

That's the hilarious thing. The guys like Jamie, Brian Siegel, etc who had WCW's books knew absolutely nothing, but Dave getting gossip rumors from dudes in catering knows about the companies ins and outs.

As much as I criticize Dave, the people actually involved can have vested interests in coloring their accounts, or just get things wrong 20+ years after the fact.

O ya, what would Konnan know? Or Nash, ddp and booker t or even bischoff? Besides the fact they were actually there and you guys weren’t. Funny how that works isn’t it? Get a real job guys. You’re pathetic.

He had nothing to do with that

Nash as well for me. I was telling my partner that the opinions I cared about the most were those without ulterior motives(i.e. had nothing to lose). Konnan really has no skin in the game anymore. He isn't beholden to any companies and can talk freely. Nash too. Bret is extremely bitter and has reasons to hate a ton of specific people, Bischoff being one of them since Bret felt he was misused and put against Golberg where he got injured. Booker offered some good insights, but in the end? He's a WWE shill, Vince ass-kisser now. So him pointing fully at Bischoff as the only reason is hard to take seriously. Especially when Bischoff was responsible for the most popular time in the company's history and then was fired and saddled with a complete baffoon when he returned.

@@RavenGlenn, Bischoff is tricky for me. As I've said in another comment, I love early Nitro as much as any product, before or after. But he was still in charge in 1998/1999 and the product was already slipping in mid-1998, badly. He doesn't deserve all the blame. But he's not blameless, either. Fair?

It’s because Dave, and Brian got exposed just by the turner executives telling the truth on what really happened which contradicts what Dave ,and Brian have been saying for years , and now Dave and Brian are coping ,and seething , and trying to spin hard.😂

No, there were many contributing factors that killed WCW.

Eric still deserves a great share of the blame. He had no good exit strategy with the nWo and when Raw reclaimed the ratings battle Eric sorta panicked. He killed Goldberg’s streak thinking it was going to get oversaturated when in reality the streak was one of the last things keeping the company competitive. When he brought back the nWo at full force in early 1999 it just came off making WCW look like a one-trick pony and did nothing to bring viewers back. WCW just slid into a period of mediocrity in 1999 and Eric is responsible for that. It was his job to make the product better and he can’t blame Turner execs for that. Those same execs were there for the rise. How were they any different then? Eric just couldn’t follow up the nWo, he kept throwing tons of money at acts that did nothing to bring back viewers, and the company slid. That’s why he will always have his lion’s share of the blame.

Yeah, I think blaming him for killing it is really unfair. He made mistakes, but it was terrible before he came along and it got worse after he left.

​@@bleedorange1998💯💯

They also are hurt because they believe they should have gotten a spot on the show lol. The entitlement is foul.

This is literally their entire business model to pretend they're insiders . They're not insiders lol

Opinions are not facts

@@evandrofurtado7576 that's the problem when listening to these two. They frame it in a way that they imply their opinions are objective truths.

I wonder if Rock was a replacement for Vince McMahon, due to McMahon currently being a rather toxic subject.

If I shit on your sandwich but you threw it in the trash which one of us ruined the sandwich?

He is neither making bank nor has legit contacts dude, he's a dirt sheet writer who makes up shit on the spot

Alverez buries AEW all the time.

That was my exact thought haha

He's always finds excuses for them. Always.

Are you a happy person?

Seriously, do you guys even watch AEW? It's not great, or even good, but if all its critics watched it as they claim, the viewing figures would be far higher.

@rob776 I'm from another country so I don't factor into ratings, but I gave up on Dynamite halfway through a Bucks match I think against the Hardy Party? It was atrocious and made no sense and I have only watched clips since then. Nothing I've seen has suggested I should come back.

When will there be a special or series about TNA?

​@@yourfavoriteentertainmentkeep dreaming tna is better than aew last night shows it once again

@@YOUSUCKONE666TNA should’ve folded 15 years ago, and hopefully AEW will too ya mook😒

So you're a wrestling fan who wants another wrestling company to fail? Typical of internet wrestling 'fans'

Why dude? It bothers you that much? It was fucking 5 seconds. They're trying to run a business here.

no.

Tf that's the best part?

especially after they raised their prices. Much like AEW, less and less people are watching, so now Dave has to charge more.

Bro it’s 3 seconds chill out or skip it.

It’s cause Meltzer , and Alvarez are clowns, and were exposed for being wrong on a lot of things about the downfall of WCW , especially from the turner executives themselves telling what really happened which contradicted what meltzer and alvarez have said for years . Seeing Meltzer and Alvarez cope seeth and deflect now is pure gold 😂

@@nbadecali1927 Alvarez's book was dog shit and got surpassed by better books going over WCW. Meltzer and Bryan look t the situation from a marks POV.

​@@christianjames92"surpassed by better books going over wcw" You sound like such an idiot

​@@nbadecali1927executives, famously honest about who really did what. Suits always take the blame for when things go wrong, they never just make shit up.

Two big clowns with in even shoes