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For me, my grandfather was an immigrant from Le Marche to the US in 1920. He left after WWI to escape the poverty created by the war. He ended up in the coal mines of Pennsylvania. A horrible job, but at least it was work, which young men were not finding in 1920 in Italy. My father was born in 1927 while my grandfather was not yet an US citizen. He became one in 1938. Because of this, both me and my father had the right to Italian (dual) citizenship. The process is not too bad or too expensive. What set me back was the Italian Consulate in San Francisco which has a two year waiting list and makes it nearly inpossible to book an appointment. Apparently, most other consulates are far more accommodating. I have been using an agency to assist me since all of the paperwork must be translated into Italian. They have been helpful, but have not been able to help me book an appointment. May have to wait and finish the process in Italy. My wife and I enjoy the videos and the info, Rafael, in case you read this. Hoping to move to Italy next year. We also approve of your "meno barba rossa" look! 😁
I understand how frustrating the SF consulate can be. I once went there and was shouted at for just asking a simple question. I think it's great you're working with a service provider! I hope everything works out for you, in my opinion having to make a trip to Italy for applying isn't the worst option, especially if you can go and apply at your ancestral comune. Good way of going directly to the source and not having to deal with a middleman and to connect with your own heritage. also glad to hear the new look is meeting your approval haha Please be sure to keep me updated on how things go and if you're ever in Alto Adige let me know :)
Rafael Di Furia: Thanks for your response and confirmation about SF. If they read this, I might as well work on Siberian dual citizenship. Have not been above Venice, but will definitely make time to visit once we settle in. I hear the Dolomiti are amazing. The trick for us now is trying to find some work since I am not old enough to retire. Just enough to supplement and semi-retire as an artist - musician. Best wishes to you, with your site and all of your other endeavors to keep you in Italy!
Italian consulate in Miami is trying to find some pretext to discourage me from continuing my process of jure sanguinis. They ask me papers and more papers. Eventually the guy told me “we do not owe you anything”. I know I fully qualify.
Sadly you're not alone. I also expierenced this exact situation and this is the main reason why it took me so long to inally finish the process. Keep going for it and whatever they ask for just roll with it. I know exactly how discurraging it can be but trust it's completely worth it. Once they're asking for these papers that only means you're one step closer! Good luck Oliver and please let me know how everything goes!!!
Rafael Di Furia all the documents I submitted to the Italian Consulate in Miami in dec 2016 were approved. I came last month to check about the process, they told me the documents where not good as they did not comply with EU regulations (I am citizen of France). All the vital records I submitted had to be pluriligual. I am seriously wondering why it took 18 months to tell me that. The other thing that annoyed them is that a citizen of France naturalized US citizen was claiming now the Italian citizenship of his great grandfather.
@@malingote If you have all the documentation needed just go to Italy for a month and do it there, don't show them weakness or like you are begging to be recognized, remember you are italian but you just have to support it with documents, you don't go there to earn your cittadinanza because you are already a citizen born outside Italy ( italiano nato all'estero), you are only going to prove with documents what you already are 🇮🇹, you aren't less italian for being born all'estero, you are italian by blood.
There is the Dual U.S.-Italian Citizenship Facebook group which has a wealth of information on Jure Sanguinis citizenship for various U.S. consulates. I wish I'd discovered it sooner - as it was, after a year and change of collecting documents, I was added to the group on Sunday and on Tuesday discovered and snagged a Thursday appointment at the consulate.
I love that group! I only wish I had known about it before I finished the process. I joined a few months after arriving in Italy in hopes of being able to help other's going through the process. It's really such a fantastic comunity that's been built around that group!
The cost depends on so many things that others can go into. I just want to suggest that for some, time is an important issue, more important than money. If you have the money, it's well worth it to have a service do everything, but you do lose out on a lot of personal satisfaction but it can also make you crazy. Then, with all your papers, get an Italian lawyer and finish the process in usually less than 45 days in Italy. Come home with your recognition and passport. I did it the long way because at the time I didn't know about the short way. The long way costed me 3 extra years.
I completely agree with you, the DIY way cost me almost 14 years and a lot of headaches, aggravation and frustration. I didn't even know that there was even such a thing as a service provider until after I was finished with the process. Thank you for leaving this comment for others to read, I think this is a very important piece of info to know!
I mean, I don't think it's offensive for me to say that even though we both have Italian passports, we are not Italian on the same level. You did not grow up here, your parents didn't grow up here, you did not go to school here and have only moved here as an adult. This doesn't mean I won't respect you or treat you as equal, it just means our life experiences are very different and being Italian is not just based on a piece of paper or blood. I'm sure you'll agree with me.
Thanks for this video. I've been through the JS process also and will be moving with my husband to Italy in a month or so. As you said it is almost impossible to determine beforehand how much you will have to spend. But, if you are really serious, like I was, the money is inconsequential to the end result! There is also the possibility of taking a brief vacation in Italy and applying directly in Italy. I just looked up my expenses ( I was so afraid to look before!) Beginning in 2013, including EVERYTHING - postage, apostilles, translations, travel to get docs, passport photos, etc). - my total is $8000. This includes $1600 for a Declaratory Judgement that I had to do because of all the name and date discrepancies. I started with my GGF and all relatives were out of state so my expenses may be high. Anyway, please keep on with these very informative videos.
Come mai che il signor Di Furia non parla italiano? Sarebbe come se John Smith non parlasse inglese! Scusa se ti prendo in giro un po! Sappiamo tutti che sei figo. Complimenti!
Thank u very much for the informations 🌼 I would like to ask u about the spelling of the Card that may i can apply on it. I tried my best to understand the spelling but unfortunately I couldn't catch it. I visit Italy four time and I didn't heard about it 😐. And my questions is : What the advantage of this Card or Id? Do I need to wait fir my next visit to italy to apply for it? Or I can apply from out of Italy ? ( like Agency ). Regards
ok this may be a silly question. But if i want to try to the carta d' identita while visiting Italy.. How would I find out which AIRE (commune ) I am registered with if I applied for Iure Sanguinis abroad (san francisco consulate) . Would I be registered with them ? or would they register me with the commune of where all my ancestors are from and still live?
Hi Emma, Michele is correct. The AIRE is actually a system who registered you in your ancestral comune through the consulate for your jurisdiction. If you're unsure what comune that would be, I would recommend to take a look at the birth certificate of the ancestor you applied under and that should be a good indicatior of what comune that would be. You should however be able to double check through the consuate.... but getting a response may be difficult.
Yes, thank you for that. Unfortunately the consolato near me doesn't care to do something called work. 😂😂😂 They don't respond to calls or emails and the time I went in person they told me to walk outside and call from the sidewalk to get my question answered despite being open for business. It's been very difficult. might be simpler to travel to Italy to do it at my commune
Emma Rose Photography are you talking about the SF consulate? I live in SF and was going to make my appointment online today until it asked for my passport number. My passport got burned up in the camp fire so I guess I gotta get a new one before I can even make an appointment. Have u completed the process yet?
GRRRR, retyping all this because a related video looked tempting and I clicked it before posting my comment. I still don't buy the 2-5K average. I'm ignoring those who apply in Italy as that's more of a vacation, and I'm ignoring those who need to amend vital records as most people do not. I applied via my great great grandfather. I needed 18 vital docs from Italy and 6 US states. Those 18 averaged at about $20 each. 13 needed an apostille at about $10 each. 13 needed translated into Italian and via Fiverr, that cost $130. Naturalization docs from USCIS were $65. With the 300 euro fee which was like $340, I'm barely over $1,000 for this. If you include some quick shipping I paid for a few docs, a few mistakes, and even the flight to my Italian consulate in Chicago, I still didn't pass the $1,500 mark.
From what I've seen you're in the very lucky minority, my own papers were 10-20times more expensive and where I was applying required certified translations. on top of everything else. Hut hey good for you! I hope more people can have the same experience as you!
Quick glance of "the group" shows Boston needs certified translations. I'm seeing no for Miami, Chicago, Houston, LA, DC, Philly, and San Fran. I might be missing one or two, but you get the overall point. Second, even certified translations can be shopped out for pretty cheap. Regarding Boston, someone said... "I hired a translator who did everything. Translated, certified the translations, then got them apostilled. $25/document for all three parts. Just the translation alone is $10/document." Quick search for birth certs cost and the highest I'm seeing is $30, so I can guess about the same for other vital docs of that state. So...my case, applying via my GGGF, 18 vital docs, 3 from Italy. 15 thus from the US. If ALL were from the most expensive US state, I would be looking at $450 for the docs. Quick glance at apostille costs Connecticut is oddly $40 each. OUCH! If I needed 13, that would be $520, and if I needed certified translations and apostilles for those, another $650. Call that $1600, add in the 3 Italy docs, and naturalization docs....I still wouldn't hit 2K. Again, this is ONLY for applying in the US, and NOT needing to amend anything.
Haha, wow I was actually afraid it was too long haha I'm going to try to mix it up as far as the length of videos go. Some people seem to be like you and want longer videos, and some want shorter videos. Just trying to figure out the right balance :)
