It doesn't matter how much you have won, but what you have learned as a sportsman, and he has proved himself not worthy of representing Karate, and its philosophy. That's sad 🥶 like English football team😒
@@liviofrancoconte4262 are you serious? Not worthy of karate? 5 time world champ, 11 times european champ not worthy of karate? You gotta be kidding buddy. What are you? A sensei? A black belt owner at least? Stop embarrassing yourself. Just watch how luigi acted like a clown during the medal ceremony and how sustained was Rafael...
As someone who has done karate for so many years, it's really sad to see the lack of courtesy and respect in this. You're in Japan. Win or lose, you bow properly.
If your opponent is laughing when you get injury on your head, and if you aimly lose Pusa on groupstage match to give him chance to go final, I think, you shouldn't have to respect your fricking opponent, lady.
As an Italian, I have to say that Rafael has always been completely respectful. I can't even imagine what it means to lose in your first (and most probably last) Olympic final, so I don't blame him so much.
@@zizmmmdli181 Coming to this, your blaming is absolutely pathetic. Luigi smiled (as he said!), didn't laugh, because it was a very tense fight, and many athletes tend to smile when they release tension. He was probably thinking "Wow, I can throw a punch, I still can score and do the best of myself". If you search other fights of him, you will see the same slight smile even when he receives a point or loses. Furthermore, Rafael wasn't even looking at him during that slight smile. Man, let's try not to put anger between athletes after such a wholesome event.
I did Karate for 10 years and competed a lot in national competitions… I never liked this stupid point system. It’s more based on theatricals than actually a fight. I’m glad I quit this nonsense.
Too much safety, too many stops. It's a pity that the excess of control by the federations have done to traditional Karate and other amazing martial arts.
It’s honestly shocking to watch this. Nothing happens. The other guy just spits out the mouth guard and they need to walk around. There is no aggression or commitment. They barely scratch the opponent. but they celebrate getting a point and immediately walk off. It’s pathetic - that’s not fighting and it doesn’t work like this in boxing or mma or anything. How is this a sport in the olympics?
Complimenti al campione. Gesto assolutamente deprecabile quello dell’azero di non complimentarsi con il vincitore alla fine. Totalmente contro lo spirito olimpico. E lo stesso ha fatto sul podio, interponendo tra se e busà il terzo classificato. Ci sta rodere per non aver vinto, ma comportarsi come un bambino alle olimpiadi anche no
E si vede che nel suo Paese del cactus non sanno cosa vuol dire vincere con onore e rispetto. Ora che torna tra le sue pecore non potrà piu' fare il bello e cattivo tempo.Amen :D
I'm a black belt (Karate, but admittedly 40 years not practicing because of injuries and over training). And I gotta say, this is one of the weirdest fights I've ever seen. I have no idea what the hell was going on over there, and why points and penalties were given or not given there. Such a shame for this happening at the fight for the gold medal. No wonder Rafael just walked out without congratulating the Italian. Strange thing is even before they started I looked at the referee and I thought 'something is odd with this guy, he looked inexperienced for this gold medal fight". Just intuition.
As a complete incompetent I ask: shouldn't martial arts teach you to respect your opponent and also to accept defeat? Or are these just nice words? The Italian may have exceeded in celebrating the victory (although, being the first Olympic gold in the history of karate, I don't find it completely out of place), but the Azerbaijani should have had the good taste to grant him a handshake, which it costs nothing: especially since he is a legend of this discipline. Unless he believed he had suffered some impropriety not on the part of the referee but of the Italian himself: obviously I cannot express an opinion on this, not knowing the rules, but it seems strange to me since there were five referees (all incompetent?) plus the help of slow motion. In any case, I assume that the scoring system was established by the international federation of karate with the approval of the IOC, also because it was the debut at the Olympics. It seems easier to me to think of the anger of the Azerbaijani who perhaps had already thought he had won the gold medal before the match that instead he lost by only one point. Also because at the next Olympics karate almost certainly won't be there, so he won't even have the opportunity to try again. (Sorry for my bad English!)
@@pietrobarile7110 I am not even Azerbaijani or Italian and dnk the rules either but when it was still 0 0 Rafa punched Luigi and side referees raised the flags confirming the 2 points (as it was to the head) but the field ref declined it even though no blood was out.:)
It's ridiculous how this isn't an Olympic sport and just has a wild card for these games, but climbing a wall and skateboarding are Olympic sports. Judo and karate are the most famous marital arts and judo is standard in the Olympics since 1972. This is maybe the pinnacle of martial arts, when someone mentions martial arts it's almost always some form of karate. It's also a bit ridiculous how people can't appreciate the beauty of the sport and find the points system bad and can't understand that true martial arts isn't about punching someone to death. The combination of endless attacking/defensive possibilities and the effectiveness/execution of them to win is breathtaking. If that's too much for you to follow I don't think the problem is in the sport.
The problem is that when the majority of people, including me, admittedly, think combat sports, they don't expect whatever is going on here. And I'm not disrespecting Karate itself. There are full contact variations that are real fights. This isn't. Personally I actually think the Olympic variant is ridiculous. I'm a boxer so I'd much rather appreciate karate combat. That's real fighting. Just my opinion.
thats a fair and accurate statement. I did did karate and fought in countless tournaments big and small from age 5 to 17. I transitioned from karate to kickboxing for the same reasons everyone is hating on karate, I find it unfair and often the winner is not necesarily the better fighter. People would sometimes intentionaly fake injuries to get the other fighter a strike, 3 strikes and you lose. But as an art its great. My skills were well applicable in kickboxing, and after only 3 months I was called to the national team, and the rest is history. . . In my opinion its a great sport for kids to learn or at least get a good idea on how to fight without actually taking damage, learn the movements, the timing, etc... But this rediculous. Especially the +75kg divison final. What a farse this sport has become. Even in junior divisions they tolerated accidental contact...
@@kuntakinte1303 same for me, but started kumite with age 7, and i remember losing my first fight to a kid that started to cry after i hit him Softly and the ref disqed me.
IKO rules are dumb. No face punches, no takedowns, no footwork, just body punching in the kissing range. No one even attempts to block. Looks extremely boring.
Mega campione olimpico, e un cazzottone diretto manda in vacca tutta una carriera, lo sport è anche questo, il limite del trionfo arriva in modo netto alla sua fine, bisogna anche prevedere che prima o poi o il fisico e la mente non sono più come prima, o che ti ritrovi qualcuno davanti psicologicamente e fisicamente più forte, è una variabile che bisogna sempre contemplare
Sports karate is not about hitting or kicking as hard as you can, you can go watch boxing, mma, muay thai or some other full contact sport for that. Karate is about delivering controlled techniques that live up to the requirements for a point.
If you score with a punch to the head or body you get one point, for body kicks you get two points, for head kicks or scoring on a fallen opponent you get 3 points. If at the end of the match the scores are even, then the player who scored first wins.
Many times the scores are not counted because the technique was 'dirty'. It's not a fight, it's a sparring. It's very hard to fight maintaining the correct techniques, and that's the particular factor in karate as a sport. You need to be super clean. It's very weird if you think of it as a fight, but quite clear if you think of it as a sparring!
Vedo molti, molti rosiconi e pignoni, avoja a dì : eh, ma Rafael è più bravo, è il migliore, arbitro cornuti ecc ecc ". Intanto la medaglia d'oro 🏅 al collo, l'ha vinta Luigi, quindi al momento, il numero 1 è lui 🇮🇹 Finitela di frignare, ve rode tanto, ma è così, state boni su! DAJE LUIGIIIIIIII🇮🇹🇮🇹🇮🇹🇮🇹🇮🇹🇮🇹🇮🇹🇮🇹🇮🇹🇮🇹🇮🇹🇮🇹🇮🇹🇮🇹🇮🇹🇮🇹🥇🥇🥇🥇🥇🥇🥇🥇 Zitti e buoni ( per restare in tema di vincitori 🥇)
@@williamwallace4080 It is not about this game dude, I'm saying it because of his career, achievements, and his attitude, this time Busa played better, but he is one of the legend in karate worldwide.
Karate not being in the Olympics and Russians and Belarussians not be able to compete is one the sole reasons of double standards, and why Olymopics are faaaar from a festival of open games.
The sport itself has a lot potential to be very interesting to watch but the scoring system could not be more bizarre. A lot of great moves and throws go unrewarded. Doesn't make any sense.
that's what I was thinking too, it's just so stupid to put so many restrictions in a karate tournament considering how many possibilities the art offers.
@@jvm-tv It's unwatchable for a layman, I had no clue whatsoever what was going on and why. It's probably also unwatchable for a non-layman for all those restrictions...
I hope they bring both athletes back for a rematch... Under different rules. ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-WJRONvAfr8I.html 💪💪💪 Like footballers taking a dive. That won't happen in different rule sets. 🤔
@@josefb.6633 The point in this version of karate is hitting using the correct technique, punches or kicks that hit the other player but where "dirty" don't score points, think of it like sparring
@@danl.4743 he was actually a good ref. He did not give both athletes the points for excessive contact (Luigi would have won 2-1, either way you see it), and gave the right warnings.
kind of disappointed watching finals of karate first time. the hits are completely ineffective as long as they hit it counts. like 2 bunnys hopping around trying to make a score instead of beating the other opponent
It's more about the context. Lashing a hand into someone's face isn't considered a score if it wasn't done under control when there is strong contact or without intent to score when the punch is a glancing blow. Weird rules I suppose but they're there to prevent "competition-karate" from dominating any more than it already does. tl;dr Rules are there to try balance martial and art.
@@moonknightish karate can be practiced for sport or for defence. They're 2 completely different things. The full contact version exists, but it basically is a weird version of kick boxing. These guys don't even think about going against an MMA fighter, as there would be no point. If you practice this kind of karate, your aim is not to fight, but to compete in the sport.
Complimenti a busa'... Detto questo secondo me il regolamento del kumite sta ridicolizzando il karate. Atleti così forti potrebbero fare combattimenti molto più spettacolari ed avere un confronto molto più vero. Il karate sportivo sembra più un giocare a ce l'hai piuttosto che un combattimento. Non mi stupisce che aghayev abbia deciso di fare degli incontri di karate full conctact per avere nuovi stimoli e combattere per davvero
Now go to Karate Combat and face Aghayev again under full contact rules. They're offering a 6 digit contract to every olympic gold medallist. Don't be scared homie.
@@vincenzo1142 Yes, in sport karate playfighting. Let them fight for real. Aghayev already showed that he can in Karate Combat. He's the only one of these top sport kumite bounce balls who had the balls to challenge himself there so far.
A single punch is absorbed and the ref stops the fight to give points and to check the fighter. Point karate is a martial art without the "martial" in it.
