I PASSED MY PMHNP BOARDS IN SEPT. 21 AND HAVE HAD SEVERAL JOB OFFERS AS A NEW GRADUATE. YEARS AGO SOMEONE SAID NURSING IN GENERAL WOULD BE OVERSATURATED. SOME THINGS MAKE NO SENSE.
I am starting clinicals for PMHNP currently and I have already been asked by two of my clinical sites if I would work for them when I pass my boards. I think the notion of saturated is subjective depending on where you live. I have had multiple psychiatrist and NPs tell me how high the need and demand is for PMHNPs in many areas. Perhaps his is more applicable to people in very metropolitan areas and especially on the West Coast?
I think roughly everything is over saturated in Cali. But if you just move out of that terrible state then doors are open. I have colleagues who went to Texas, Washington, Oregon, Ohio, Florida, Georgia, Hawaii, and even Alaska had little issue landing jobs. Perhaps it was not the highest paying psych np job out there but a psych np job none the less
The nursing field will make a correction, just like they did for the physicians. Doctorates degrees will become mandatory, the board will force universities to require 1 to 2 years experience as a nurse before beoming an NP, etc.
From what the statistics say, California alone will have a 40% shortage of psychiatrists by the year 2030. This is a great opportunity for psych NPs to fill the gap. As for the oversaturation of psych NPs, I think there are many factors such as location, that will influence that. I graduate from a psych DNP program in May 2022 and I am excited! I have seen lots of job opportunities. I remember when I first graduated nursing school in 2005, I had two job offers before I even took NCLEX. Today even as an RN it is difficult to find work, but the jobs are still there!
I don’t get why this is funny. Just because three of your coworkers are becoming pmhnp that doesn’t mean it’s over saturated. I had 3 of my co workers leave to go to crna. Oh my there must be an over saturation of crnas. So stupid
Hello, i intend to consider doing np psych this year..i live in maryland too..just wanted a feedback if its getting saturated here..thanks for ur feedback
I just started PMHNP school and I'm already thinking of withdrawing to save myself from going through all that academic work because it appears that the job market around Los Angeles for PMHNPs is oversaturated. There are two PMHNPs that work as just RNs in my inpatient psychiatry hospital. There is an RN that works in my hospital that works as a DON in his other job. He said that there's a PMHNP that works just as an RN that's been begging him to find him/her a job as a PMHNP.
I’m not surprised. FNPs are switching into psychiatry mainly for the money & it’s now oversupplied. It’s too easy to obtain psych certification. That’s part of the problem. COVID changed things for the worse.
I currently work as a nurse in a family practice and I plan on going to school to become a pmhnp. At least where I live, there is a huge shortage of mental health practitioners. Our patients are waiting months to be seen. Maybe it is dependent on where you live.
As a psychiatric RN, I 1000% disagree. People come to my hospital just to get back on their meds because outpatient wait lists are 3-6 months long. I live in a major city with the #1 PMHNP program in the country.
I guess the discussion is really about 2 different questions: Are there enough NPs to go around? And: Are there enough job openings with decent pay for the ones that do exist? (That's really important, because if you have , say, 30% of the NP jobs in the country WAY underpaid, then you have a lot more NPs competing for the ones that do pay better, yet a "shortage" will be described in the areas that just don't want to pay them enough to even allow them to pay off their student loans. You have to have patients, payers, help to start private practices or places for both new grads and experienced one to work...and a way (such as telemedicine or outreach in under-served areas) for potential contractors or employers to reach their potential supply. Many places have most of those things but not all, and when they DO get them--boom! Things can shift fast.
Yea exactly. There can’t be over saturation if there are not enough providers for patients. People are literally waiting for months in acute distress for any kind of mental health care. If there’s a PMHNP over saturation, the bottleneck is the medical system & insurance & creating positions. But definitely not pt need.
Lol people were literally saying it was such a need for psych nps and literally 6 months later this guy's making a video about how it's oversaturated haha. I don't think people really understand what over or under saturated means. I'm hearing just conflicting opinions from personal anecdotes which are literally one of the worst ways to gather information. I've been hearing how the NP field is saturated for years now but yet people keep doing it and keep getting jobs??
survival for the fittest lol. Some NPs get a job, and some don't. I got my NP license (adult-gero NP- not marketable coz i could't do kids) in 2019...no job yet. planning to be travel nurse
@@andetesfay4300 really?? how many places have you applied? have you thought about moving? Have you actually seriously done everything you could to get a job?
@@Tania-rg7jp CRNAs have their program controlled..limited schools and limited enrollment..their pay will stay high for long..am in PMHNP now but travelling money is soo good I will be RN for a while .
Nosy Bipolar patient here, but they need more of this in the Midwest. There is such a shortage in Illinois for psychiatric care and certified providers, that patients are on insanely long waiting lists just for care. I cannot get regular 15 minute psychiatric appointments for med changes without going a couple of months between visits. And some therapists at my clinic have so many patients that new patients can go months without getting a provider. Psychiatrists keep quitting, psych wards are so understaffed with beds getting cut that I cannot help but wonder if these problems mean there isn't as much funding here as in other states. And, the more cornfields there are in an area the more likely someone has no psychiatric care in their small city or town for up to a 50 mile radius sometimes. The whole country has different needs and saturation levels. But, man does Illinois have great need for PSYCH APRN.
The fact that preceptors charge money is insane...I understand precepting is not an easy task, but I could not imagine charging a student money on top of their tuition. I guess if someone is an NP making 50 dollars an hour, they have to pay their bills this way.
Most of the struggling colleges in the country added programs and aimed for the mid-career RNs' dollars by offering part- or fully- online programs with flexible hours and often very high tuition. So in one year my metropolitan area added 3 schools churning out about 18 per semester. Secondly, there was a ridiculous notion that was put out by school-review sites, that PMHNPS were very highly paid. Schools are also accepting FNPs and other medical-surgical NPs to go back for a 2nd-speciality 1-year certificate and MSN-to-DNP programs to scoop up the quick money. So all of those students will be entering the workforce again as dually-certified, while the MSN programs or DNP program who were not already NPs were 2 years behind, and going to enter the market as REAL new grads and much lower salary requirements. Finally, yeah, the requirements are going down and down, so what used to be very selective has quite recently changed to become too lax..
I agree with you. Too many students or practicing psych NPs claim their medical ER experience is psych. That would be like me claiming to have med surg experience just because my unit does occasional IV insertion or rarely give IV fluids/medications. And then you got those with all this so called passion for mental health yet have never applied for a psych position as an RN.
I feel like the NP profession is definitely oversaturated! Especially for NPs with no experience yet. I know a lot of them doing travel nursing in the meantime right now.
I think a lot of them are doing it in meantime is because they're making double that of normal NPs. Honestly not going to lie there's a hefty amount of travel nurses who are making more than doctors right now. So why would you take a mid-level position at that point
This guy over here needs to go kick rocks. He's doing a youtube channel to make money, based on his opinion. No stats, no data. Go home, dude. I work in a primary care clinic, and there are not enough providers. I'm in my last semester of school for psych NP, and I have had several offers already. NP's all the way around are needed badly. Bye
Honestly the sad truth is that many individuals going into this field probably are not even interested/have a passion for mental health and psychiatry. They see that Psych NPs are one of the highest paid NPs and that is all they need to convince them to join NP school. If schools are just taking anyone off the street, they obviously aren't educating to proper standards and are therefore preparing weakly skilled Psych NPs. This puts a bad name on Psych NPs, but in the end, individuals going to these uncertified or "easy" NP schools will not have the advantage when going up against a well-trained Psych NP who was trained at a recognized NP program. That being said, It frustrates me that people are going into this career for greedy purposes, BUT I assure you that even if these individuals did land a job as a PMHNP, they will not last unless this is their life passion. Hell, even individuals who go into this as their passion become burnt out without proper self-care!! Anyhow, I am not worried as I have wanted to go into psych since 6th grade and will be graduating as an RN soon, will get experience I need, and then go for my DNP in psych!
There will continue to be an oversaturation of NP's in every specialty as long as trade schools are able to pump them out. Stricter requirements must be made in order to become a provider. Until then, i'll be in the porn industry.
NPs aren't from a trade school, an NP holds a masters and/or doctorate degree. It takes, on average, 6-10 years to become a nurse practitioner. 4 years for BSN, a few years of experience needed in the field (if your program doesn't do automatic matriculation into a masters or doctorate program if you hold a specific GPA when you graduate with your BSN), and then 2 years for a masters or 5 years for a DNP. They come out of school with the same knowledge as that of Doctors, and can do almost the exact same things as doctors can with obvious limits like certain types of surgery and what not. You *may* be thinking of an LPN, or a Licensed Practical/Vocational Nurse, as you can complete training and schooling in 12 months and it's a non-degree seeking job. Most people, to my knowledge, are not going for that job as much anymore, because it doesn't pay as much as an RN does, and people want to make as much money as possible for obvious reasons.
It will be in demand, but with more and more NPs coming out, there won’t be many jobs out there to keep up with the amount of Nps being pushed out. Similar issues with the amount of residency spots there are for physicians. Only so many jobs can go around
I agree because I just graduated and literally every single job I applied for called for an interview. I had to stop applying because I was getting too many offers which I didn’t expect. I literally had companies emailing me back and forth asking me to consider even after I had already turned them down. Over saturation is definitely location based. Some areas may be oversaturated but there are many areas that are not!
Get ready for a long post, because I finally can answer this question! So, I tried to go for PA school for 5 years and couldn't make it in because of just how insanely competitive it is. Each school has thousands of applicants, they do a couple hundred interviews, and they only have 20-40 seats on average. So about 1% of applicants make it into school. However, more and more schools are popping up, and even online degrees are available to make up for the high level of applicants, so it's slowly but surely leveling out in some places. I'm going for my third degree in BSN and hope to become an NP myself. And yet, with all that, PA fields are absolutely oversaturated in some areas and I know it very well. The best paid specialties for a PA specifically (regardless of work/life balance) are as follows: * Dermatology * Radiology * Emergency Medicine * Urgent Care * Surgical subspecialties (cardiovascular, neurosurgery, etc.) * Critical Care * Plastics * Occupational Medicine Guess what the average PA wants to work in: Dermatology, Radiology, Surgery, Urgent Care, and Emergency Medicine. I've seen more Dermatology PAs than I've seen Dermatologists when I worked as a medical assistant, I've seen almost exclusively PAs in urgent care, I shadowed 3 separate PAs at a hospital in emergency medicine and saw exactly one doctor supervise them. The market for the highest paid specialties for physician assistants is, where I live at least, *heavily saturated* and the ones that pay less are in dire need of providers. The job outlook for PAs and NPs is growing exponentially (31% for PA, 52% for NP), more and more places are hiring PAs and NPs over doctors because their salary isn't as high as that of a doctor's and because they can do the same work in most instances. However, if the majority of PAs and the majority of NPs are hoping to go into the same fields as one another, those fields will have no jobs available sooner or later. Wanna know the worst part about this? Less people are going for an MD or DO degree because of just how brutal medical school is. My own father is a doctor. Even though he demands perfection from me, he didn't want me to go to medical school. Almost every doctor I have met has openly admitted they'd rather be a PA or an NP if they could just because of how awful med school/residency was and from the amount of stress and burnout they've experienced in their jobs. And yet we aren't doing anything to fix this, medical schools and teachers are holding this horrific gauntlet that aspiring doctors need to go through as a right of passage. To top it all off, salaries for PAs and NPs are growing, while doctors' salaries aren't. Now, PA and NP programs are just as tough, don't get me wrong! However, what would you rather do: go through hell for 8-10 years for a $200k+ salary, or go through hell for 2-5 years for a $120k+ salary? And that's why there are more PAs than doctors in certain fields, and that's also why some areas of medicine are getting overly saturated.
@@LifeofaPsychNP I totally believe you hopefully I’ll be able to get a job. Starting my accelerated bsn program in January and want to go to np school like 2 years after I graduated
Lmfao I'm so glad I put this in my calendar. Last year we argued on your "what to say when people ask for a doctor" and I told you that your entire profession would be saturated within long and eventually just a clown fest that will come to an end. And now checking back this is the latest video I see you post.
Do you know what will be funny? When you find out YOU need medical care, and you cant get in to be seen because there are no providers. That goes for medical and psych providers. You don't know what you are talking about
Dont be dissuaded if you really want to become a PMHNP. We still desperately need more people who are really dedicated to Psych and not just searching for money. My current Psych is a PMHNP and the care he gives has been so much better than any Psych MD I've been to. Also, there's a ton of remote work for PMHNP. Some may be dissuaded because currently these online services are labeled as "pill mills", but that's gonna get sorted soon. Remote isn't going away. There are communities that have NO local Psych care , ESPECIALLY accessible and AFFORDABLE Psych care. Seeing a PSych MD in my area cots $400 for 30 minutes! My PMHNP charges much less.
Are regular psych bsn nurses still in demand or are there far too many now? I live over in in CA and my main goal is just to become a bsn level psych nurse and no further.
I know getting your first job as a nurse in CA can be a little more challenging, but there is typically no problem with saturation in psych nursing at the BSN level. There is a high demand for nursing jobs in general, and especially in psych. I don't see saturation ever being a problem at the BSN level.
can you discuss medical malpractice insurance. how much does it cost for pmhnp malpractice insurance when caring for the amount of patients you do in your practice.
Thank you for posting this video. That is exactly how I felt. I don't have passion for psych NP but I was going to attend post master's psych to make myself more marketable as I could not find jobs as AGPC-NP where I live. It is okay to go all the way and not find a job if it is your passion. And, it is a waste of time if you finish the school and can not find a job. Now, you gave me some clarity about the future of psych NP. I am not good at impressing for recruiters but I am hard worker and all my employers likes me when I hit the job. That is why I could not get in as adult-Gero NP because of no experience plus I am not good at impressing the recruiters or interviewers. My passion is on acute care, might as well go for acute care for my passion whether I find jobs or not.
