Jaguar I-Pace Vlog - My New Charger Setup - Qubev & Ohme

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It’s time to update my charging setup. Jaguar decided to remove the facility to limit the car’s state of charge to a certain percentage, and I’ve been using multiple work-arounds since I got the car. I was hoping they would patch it in, but I’ve been told that for whatever reason Jaguar does not want to give us that control. So it’s time to adapt and change my setup. With a dumb untethered charger and an Ohme cable (half price with Octopus), it turns charging to 80% into a simple plug-in and forget process, with everything being managed automatically by the cable. Today I’ll walk you through the update process and give you a demonstration of how it works. Fingers crossed!
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@ukcarver 3 года назад

Another great informative video. I have had the Ohme charger since I first got my I-Pace and it’s been great. As for the regen braking I first experienced no regen braking when I charged to 100% and it frightened the hell out of me on approaching a roundabout and got no breaking. It was you that told me what was going on. I have to say the guys at Ohme are wonderful and very helpful. I charged my ipace last week to 100% for a long trip and it was shown 258 miles in Ecco mode.

@AbuDhabiDude 3 года назад

Thanks! Yes, that lack of regen can cause some real “mode-switching” issues and the first junction can really catch you out. Honestly, even if it didn’t have any battery health benefits I would still only charge to 80% just for that alone. Glad you’re loving your Ohme as much as me.

@ukcarver 3 года назад

My local Jaguar dealer didn’t know about the regen at 100% battery and told me it was because I was in creep mode so turned it off. Obviously they hadn’t got a clue.

@AbuDhabiDude 3 года назад

🤣🤣🤣Yes there’s definitely a variable level of knowledge out there at the dealers. Mine was quite knowledgeable. He’d been invited to the Portugal launch event for the I-Pace so he had driven it extensively and attended all the briefings. He knew a lot about the car but I’ve heard a lot of stories about other dealers with significant gaps in their knowledge. This will obviously improve as EVs become more mainstream but it’s frustrating when you encounter it.

@stevenholfeld9002 3 года назад

That’s brilliant. I have a Rolec Homesmart and it hasn’t got the functionality of the Ohme. Definitely like the option to set a percentage. Very interesting, thanks for the video.

@AbuDhabiDude 3 года назад

It was really my prime reason for the change. It’s also so easy to use. Proper “set and forget”.

@mikesl1573 3 года назад

I have a Rolec (pre-smart) and I asked Rolec about upgrade parts but it was almost the same price as a new unit and comes with a new 3 year warranty when I only have 6 months left on my current This has all come about as I joined Octopus and wanted to take advantage of 5p charging I decided to fit a din rail time clock in the unit as it has the module space next to the RCD Rolec were very helpful in that they sent me a wiring diagram which showed which wire to run through the time clock (red). The only frustrating part is Rolec quoted £40 for the timer and I bought one at my local wholesaler for £14 so it brings about the question of the prices being charged for an ev charge unit I did look at your video about how to get over the default; Jaguar wanting to charge to 100% but it all seems very complicated and fussy compared to a timer which is pre-set to come on for 4 hours each morning. I do have to adjust the time on the timer twice a year but that does seem a lot less complicated I am sure this new device has advantages but I am not concerned about 100% charging which happens on occasions. Perhaps it is an age thing, but I just want to keep it all KISS (keep it simple stupid) For me, apart from gaining best charging value is the way the Jag handles and drives which still brings a smile 😀 to my face every time I drive, even after two and a half years of ownership I do accept horses for courses

@AbuDhabiDude 3 года назад

I’m a great believer in KISS too and that’s really the benefit of this. The video may make it look more complicated but honestly once it’s set up all I do is plug in and walk away. I know that every night it will just charge up to 80% without me messing around with timers. My short commute means a 100% charge means 2 to 3 days with no regen braking so I’d rather avoid it where possible.

@mikesl1573 3 года назад

@@AbuDhabiDude I guess the other issue is £14 v ?.? Some people have an iPace because they have loads of money and some people have no money because they have an iPace😜

@AbuDhabiDude 3 года назад

Oh absolutely. Both options are viable, but for what I’d want to achieve, I’d really say the Ohme plus Qube gets me a smart charging setup for a great price, and with more features than “smart chargers” costing twice as much! But also as you say, for people with existing chargers both options work. Just depends on priorities (budget vs features) but adding a WiFi breaker would have gained me nothing over the features I already had in my Wallbox Pulsar charger. This wasn’t just about adding a timer. I already had a timer.

@andrewhowe4266 3 года назад

I did the same to upgrade my EO smart charger which wasn’t quite smart enough. The only downside I have found so far is if you want to precondition you have to remember to override it. I’ve asked Ohme if they can add something in the app.

@AbuDhabiDude 3 года назад

That’s a good point. You can still precondition the cabin, but not the battery. As my car is parked in a garage, the temperature of the batteries is never below 10 degree at the worst but almost always above 15 so it doesn’t worry me too much.

@andrewhowe4266 3 года назад

@@AbuDhabiDude The ideal situation would be to be able to initiate a timed preconditioning session from the Ohme app but probably a big ask with the number of vehicles to support. But still, the more people that ask the better the chance we will get it.

@AbuDhabiDude 3 года назад

That would work for sure but they would also have to limit the charging level to match the energy used by the AC or it would overshoot the target SOC (charging at 7kW while AC uses about 1kw). But it’s certainly possible with the charger’s capabilities.

@ianmenai 3 года назад

Alex out of interest why is 100% charge on your car only showing 208miles? My 2019 car is still going to 230-240 in this warm weather we are having. A point of interest is that “cell balancing” should be done regularly. This is Jaguar’s preferred method and that involves charging to 100%. I am led to understand charging to 100 on a ‘Rapid’ charger 50Kw DC on a regular basis is what kills off any battery including Lithium. There are some reports that keeping the charge down to 80% does influence the capacity of the battery, it was called memory in the NiCad days but it affects Lithium chemistry, but not so nearly as much. What is interesting is that 2011 Teslas and Leafs batteries have not yet degraded to anywhere near 80% let alone 70%, and 87% would seem to be the norm! That is for batteries that are 10 years old by the way! So the guarantee of 70% degraded over 8 years looks pretty safe, and given that battery management has improved in that 10 years I think battery life, or rather degradation of the battery to 70% will take at least 12 years, probably longer! Every one to their own, but I see no reason not to charge to 100% using the Ohme every time. Incidentally the Ohme app has improved greatly sine it first came out, over a year ago when I got mine! Clunky it certainly was, but the team behind the Ohme startup listened and took on board virtually every suggestion I and other asked for! Full marks for that. Oh and the non discounted price is £499 so at £199 a real bargain through Octopus! Ian

@AbuDhabiDude 3 года назад

Bear in mind that the range shown on the charger is Ohme’s estimate, not the car’s. But also bear in mind that I have a very short commute every day, so I have the high “energy cost” of preconditioning and adjusting the cabin for a fairly short journey. This isn’t reflected on a long drive. My actual mileage on a full charge is around 230-240 miles. I did address the whole battery degradation thing in the video, and even if it only saves me 1 or 2% degradation I’d rather do it. You might have missed the part where I discussed the fact that if you charge to 100% you get no regenerative braking and therefore no one pedal driving, which is really my prime reason for limiting charge. That’s one big advantage (for me anyway) of not charging to 100% every time. I do also regularly cycle the batteries every few months (running down to 10% and charging right up to 100%) which addresses the point you mentioned. It was outside the scope of this video but I have discussed that many times in past videos. I’ve also had good experiences with the Ohme team. They’re very open to feedback. 👍🏻

@ianmenai 3 года назад

@@AbuDhabiDude Two things Alex, the Ohme api 'talks' to the car's api and the range is the car's api range, but as you say your GoM is heavily influenced by your short commute. I've just charged my car to 100% last night and it did a bit of cell balancing before saying 'fully charged' and I was rewarded by an extra 3 miles range! 242 miles and then 245 miles after the balancing. I don't think your 1 - 2% degradation estimate is born out in real life, or so the latest technical research says. Which to be honest is very good news as it was a concern to me at the start. Another very interesting thing is that a new battery will lose capacity over 3 months initially then it will build up again. Norwegian research for that gem! Do we accept that we have 85Kwh available to us when new? If so, my 2019 car still has 84.4Kwh. My maths is terrible but that is not even 1% degradation after nearly 3 years!

@AbuDhabiDude 3 года назад

To be honest I never even look at the GOM range. All I look at is percentage and consumption. If I’m planning a long trip I’ll use ABRP so don’t find myself “GOM watching” then either. The GOM isn’t much use once you get comfortable with your car. It’s helpful for making the transition from ICE but especially when you do primarily short drives, it gives no indication of what you can expect on a long drive. I just look at my consumption and work out my range from that. For example, on my short commutes I regularly get 300-330 Wh/mile so even though the GOM is giving me 208 miles I know I’m actually getting around 250. Problem is the GOM is factoring in all the preconditioning too, which isn’t a factor on a single long drive. My 1-2% wasn’t an estimate of degradation. I was just throwing out random numbers to say that I’d rather protect my batteries no matter how small a difference it makes. As I’ve said many times that’s only a secondary benefit for me. The main thing is to be able to use regen consistently so even if there was zero benefit to battery life I would still do this. Losing regen is one of the biggest down sides to charging to 100% for me, completely irrespective of any battery benefits. Jaguar used a different method for assessing the battery state of health. The CanBUS delivers an actual SOH for each individual battery module, rather than using the API’s estimate of your current kWh.

@ianmenai 3 года назад

@@AbuDhabiDude Alex, totally agree with you re the GoM. But and there is always a but isn't tthere, I rather like treating the GoM as bit of a challenge! A bit like in the ICE days with 50 miles remaining in the tank and trying to eek it out to 55 miles and still not run out! Re ABRP, and this personal to me I know, I hate the fact that you can't tell it to use a specific charge point on route! I was going to Birmingham and I knew I would have to do a quick charge to get me home, and ABRP acknowledged this but wanted me to use a particular charger in Brum. As I wanted some lunch and a pee, I decided to stop at Lidl, so I put that in as a waypoint, but it steadfastly refused to let me make it a charge point! (There is a 50Kw PodPoint there which it knew and it acknowledged) The ABRP AI needs to be 'tweaked' to allow for necessary comfort breaks and use a charge point if there is one. As an elder person (74) my bladder isn't as large as it used to be and comfort breaks are a necessity. So it stupid not to charge while taking a break as long as the SoC is at a point to make sense. 10% - 60% is my chosen range. Charge points are becoming easier to use, thankfully, and you are lucky to have a good spread in Scotland, but pity us here in Wales where it is a desert regarding rapid DC charge points.

@AbuDhabiDude 3 года назад

Hi Ian. If you select a charger as a waypoint (using the charger rather than the Lidl) it should automatically charge there. If it doesn’t you can make any waypoint into a charger (even if ABRP doesn’t know there is a charger there). Calculate the route, and pull up the route list from the bottom of the screen. Tap on the settings icon next to the waypoint and you can tell it to charge there to a certain percentage. PS I’m so sorry but I managed to delete the other comment thread of ours. I was deleting my last reply as it was too rambling and was going to retype it but somehow I managed to delete the whole thread! So sorry for that.

@gavinp992 3 года назад

Another option would be to purchase the Ohme 32A commando version and replace the existing charger with a commando socket (£25 approx) or remove the commando plug and hardwire it into a Wiska box and terminal block. This would avoid the cost of the untethered charger and at least £200.

@AbuDhabiDude 3 года назад

Possibility for sure. This gives me the flexibility of having a charger. If my Ohme fails I can use another type 2 cable. I can also take the Ohme cable with me and use it with any other type 2 charger. Also if I change my car, and don’t need to use the Ohme any more (due to better charging control in-car) I have a charger there and can use a longer cable if I need to get to a different charging port location.I don’t want a commando socket in the garage. Much rather have a charger.

@gavinp992 3 года назад

@@AbuDhabiDude Indeed - depending on circumstances there are pros and cons to both. If you can live without a back-up type 2 socket then the Commando option can save a lot of money. For domestic use an interlocked 32A Commando socket should always be used for safety. I have an Ohme and was interested to see your unit only powers up when plugged in to the car - the Commando version is always powered on when connected to the electrical supply so can be used as a direct replacement for an old charge point or for a new install.

@AbuDhabiDude 3 года назад

That’s interesting. Not sure why the two would behave differently like that. I assumed all Ohmes would be the same. They also do one with no plug on the end which can be hard wired in as a permanent charger installation. So there are many options out there. This one was my preferred combination but you have a choice of a Type 1 connection, Type 2 connection, a Commando one or a hard-wired charger. They’ve got everyone covered! Edit: only negative is that the standalone charger version isn’t eligible for the Octopus discount.

@donaldlee6439 2 года назад

Just watched your video, really very useful, easy to follow and set up, I'll be using my Ohme charger ( that I too bought from Octopus Go!). Just one thing bothering me, what settings are used inside the iPace, do you need to set the preconditioning/delayed time etc? Thank you.

@AbuDhabiDude 2 года назад

Hi Donald. I just replied to your email but no settings are required in the car. The Ohme takes care of everything for charging.

@donaldlee6439 2 года назад

@@AbuDhabiDude Thanks Alex that's great to read that Ohme takes control and I don't have to do anything extra apart from plugging it in!!

@AbuDhabiDude 2 года назад

Exactly that. Once you’ve set up your preferences and energy provider in the Ohme app, you only ever have to do anything if you want to change something. If you set it up to (say) charge only to 80% and only at a maximum price of 5p per kWh, then it remembers that and from then on you just plug in and walk away. Only if you decided you need to charge to 100% that night because you’re doing a long trip tomorrow (for example) would you have to change anything in the app. Also worth noting that the app just programs the charger. So the app doesn’t need to be running in the background. In fact you could even turn off your phone. Doesn’t matter. The charger is doing the work, not the app.

@walterk8602 3 года назад

You have a good solution now, but I don't think it would work fo me. Like you I have an off peek rate, but the off peek power is turned on with a timer, so there is no 240v power until the timer starts it at 10pm. So when I connect my evse without 240v present, the ipace recognises the plug but goes into initialise mode and never turns on even when the 240v eventually starts. To get around this, I have to start the charge with a power point that has permanent 240v, and when the ipace starts ramping up the charge current, I turn off the 240v and without unplugging the ipace, move the 240v plug to the off peek socket. Then when the off peek volts becomes available at 10pm the ipace continues charging. Because my evse has 6, 10, 15, and 32amp modes I simply select the current I want that will charge the ipace to between 60 and 70%. Ie. 6amp gives about 12% in 8 hours, 10amps about 20% an 15amp about 30%.

@AbuDhabiDude 3 года назад

Hi Walter. That’s a weird system I have to admit. I’ve never heard of that before! The only thing that might work for you is to use the Ohme cable with my Siri Shortcuts (not sure if you use iPhone or not). You could download the “force charge” shortcut and set up an automation to start charging every day at the same time as your off-peak starts (or maybe a minute after). That should force the car to start charging after your power has gone on. You should be able to test this now with your current charger and if it works then the Ohme cable would work for you using that setup.

@walterk8602 3 года назад

@@AbuDhabiDude I don't use an iPhone. I think the ipace checks the power level when the charging plug is inserted. If there is no 240v when the plug is inserted, then it simply says initializing and does nothing when the 240v appears. Purhaps you could plug your ohme in without the 240v on for a minute and then turn the 240v on to see if your ipace starts. In any case, my procedure has been working for 2 years, so I'm use to it now.

@AbuDhabiDude 3 года назад

As long as it works for you that’s the main thing. Sorry but I’ve never known an off-peak system like that.

@walterk8602 3 года назад

@@AbuDhabiDude thanks. The off peak system is a hang over from the old kwhr meters, where a separate meter is used and a timer turns it on and off as selected by the authorities when they installed it.

@AbuDhabiDude 3 года назад

That makes sense! Smart meters make things like that much more simple to implement I suppose.

@farhada147 3 года назад

Very helpful video ADD...thank you. For the price, you can't go wrong with this scenario. Could the other benefit of this setup be that you can take the cable with you and have specific % of charge when you are using public destination/type 2 charging if on a road trip of multiple days? That may also apply for those that don't have charging at home and have to charge overnight at public type 2 charging location but don't want to always charge the car until they stop it?

@ianmenai 3 года назад

The Ohme unit is only cabled, not a socket.

@AbuDhabiDude 3 года назад

Absolutely Farhad. As long as you’re using the Ohme with a chartger with no attached cable, you could use the Ohme with that as well. Would work great. 👍🏻

@AbuDhabiDude 3 года назад

Not so Ian. The Ohme has a type 2 connector at the end so it will plug into any type 2 charger, except the ones which are built into a Rapid charger which have a built in cable.

@ianmenai 3 года назад

@@AbuDhabiDude Argh my apologies Alex. When I bought my Ohme it was a choice of bare cable to be hardwired or a Ceeform 32a blue plug. To be honest I don't see the point in having a Type 2 connector as all the safety bits, DC protection and RCBO are in the Ohme. Interesting and I will have a think as to why they offer that option. Out of interest I bought an old Rolec unit on flebay, replaced the burnt out RCD and now have a 'spare' charger for when I can get out to my place in France! I now know how they work, the clever bit is the 'controller'. As it was a 'dumb' charger I have put in a very small Wifi controlled relay that gives me scheduled charging via my iPhone (Android app as well). Switching the CP data wire is all that is necessary, low voltage low current which then controls the 32a contactor. Not a patch on the Ohme app and integration but simple and usable via the phone. When I bought my I-Pace in January 2020 I also invested in a Juice Booster 2 to give me all the charging options when I got to France. It is quite useful as I can control charging current and see how my local Tesco Pod Point is actually giving me 7Kw even when the adjoining charge point is in use. Some of the Pod point dual chargers drop when someone else hooks up!

@ogriboy 3 года назад

Isn't 100% actually only 85% of the battery anyway as some is in reserve? Got to say I like the zappi approach with timers to suit tarrif but I accept you have to set it up but can be set for 4 nights in a row.

@AbuDhabiDude 3 года назад

100% is around 94.1% of the actual capacity. Regen braking is the other reason and there’s no way around that one. The Zappi approach is just the same as any other charger with a timer. That’s what I had, but it’s just a faff. This is simple and seamless. All I do now is plug in when I get home and wake up to 80% every morning without all the messing around. It’s that seamless and effortless solution that I like. If Zappi also monitored your percentage I’d say it’d be an almost perfect charger for me too, but this is exactly what I want. After two and a half years I just got tired of having to adjust my charger every time I plugged in.

@ogriboy 3 года назад

@@AbuDhabiDude Fair enough. so the million dollar question is after the purchase and changes for cable etc what extra life do you consider this will achieve for the battery?

@AbuDhabiDude 3 года назад

As I said, I’ve no way of knowing what difference it makes, but as Tesco says “every little helps”! But like I said, even if it didn’t affect battery life it’s still worth it to me just for the fact that I have reliable and consistent regen available rather than charging to 100% and having none.

@aquissuk 3 года назад

Interesting...I'm looking at ohme too....not been too happy with the current Andersen system.

@ianmenai 3 года назад

Martin have a look at Artisan Electrics RU-vid videos, they used to rate Anderson chargers very highly, design etc. but now go for Zappi and Hypervolt. Both well built, safe and in my view stylish and every bit the equal of the Anderson and significantly cheaper!

@aquissuk 3 года назад

@@ianmenai Cheers! Not come across Hypervolt.

@AbuDhabiDude 3 года назад

Yeah Martin, I have to say that while I like the aesthetics of the Andersen, it seems a lot of money for what it is. The ones Ian mentions are good, but I don’t think either offers the full functionality of the Ohme. If the SOC limit or Octopus integration matters to you, you really can’t go wrong with Ohme. Also dirt cheap with the Octopus deal!

@aquissuk 3 года назад

@@AbuDhabiDude If Andersen's software was as good as it looks, it would be great. However, it's buggy, lacks features they promised to come, loses contact with my network router, even though it's connected by Ethernet and the unit freezes, resulting in a full power reset at the meter breaker.

@AbuDhabiDude 3 года назад

Yes I’ve heard a few reports of Andersen having issues, right back from when they first came out to present day. I think they seem very much to be a “form over function” product to be honest. They looked promising but I don’t think they live up to that, especially given the premium price.

@linkup1958 3 года назад

I park outside every night to charge my car and my current charger it’s mounted outside, is the whole set up including the cable waterproof and suitable. Thanks

@AbuDhabiDude 3 года назад

The Ohme is IP55 rated. They say it’s protected against even heavy rain, but not suitable for submersion under water. So as long as the electronic part (the black box) is held above ground level it should be fine.

@Sk8orDie123 3 года назад

Thx for this nice review

@AbuDhabiDude 3 года назад

Glad you found it helpful! 👍🏻

@Sk8orDie123 3 года назад

@@AbuDhabiDude Actually I am a co founder of the company. Glad you like the system.

@AbuDhabiDude 3 года назад

Oh wow. Nice. Which one, Ohme or Qube?

@Sk8orDie123 3 года назад

@@AbuDhabiDude Ohme

@AbuDhabiDude 3 года назад

Awesome! You’ve produced a brilliant product! 👍🏻

@ukcarver 3 года назад

Just as a matter of interest. Do you mean charging 12.30 to 4.30 am

@AbuDhabiDude 3 года назад

Hi. No, my off-peak is 01:30 to 05:30. There’s Octopus Go Faster which has varying start times and lengths. You can have 5 hours for 5.5p, 4 hours for 5p or 3 hours for 4.5p per kWh.

@ukcarver 3 года назад

Well there you go , you learn something new all the time, I’m on the 12.30 to 4.30. Good to know though.

@AbuDhabiDude 3 года назад

Yeah the original Octopus Go was 00:30 to 04:30, but they introduced the more flexible “Go Faster” tariff later.