Jalen Duren Or Jaden Ivey, Who Would You Trade From The Detroit Pistons If You Had To Move On?

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It's becoming increasingly likely that the Detroit Pistons will be making a legitimate trade that'll require moving on from Jaden Ivey or Jalen Duren. If this is the case, which player would you move on from?
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@armontimuzic6785 Месяц назад

Not even a question ivey

@dbuck2862 Месяц назад

I can not take Ku serious when he talk about trading IVEY/Duren he was a die hard fan for killian hayes all 4yrs he was playing. But how can you stick with Hayes 4yrs and say after 2yr IVEY/Duren should be traded. 🤣🤣

@cordelldemattei5446 Месяц назад

They were still in tank mode for the lottery with Killian so he had time to grow. Now we have tanked and are supposed to have a competent roster and we are not there. It is a big difference unless you want to keep going for lottery picks for years to come.

@dbuck2862 Месяц назад

@@cordelldemattei5446 We do not have a healthy team, so tbh we are still in the same position 4yr ago as we are now. Our core consist of 4 players that have been injury prone most of their career. The only one that been healthy has been IVEY that play with over 20+ different line up. You can not build a team on players that are not healthy. Team consistency and chemistry will be effected. Also CADE has to grow more as a Leader if he our Star/Franchise Player. I rarely see him demanding things out of the other players. He not getting them involved enough in the offense, and he isn't a clutch player. People have to start looking at this and see if he is also part of the problem. But i still say keep him and see if he develop into this in next 2yrs, same as i say keep the young talent to see if they can get fully healthy and develop into good players.

@cordelldemattei5446 Месяц назад

@@dbuck2862 I agree with most everything that you say, but we are not in the same position. We have tanked for 4 years. Are you seriously saying we need to tank another 4. We need to start winning or lose fans permanently. As unfair as it may seem to you due to injuries, we need to make move with the assets we have to improve this team now.

@dbuck2862 Месяц назад

@@cordelldemattei5446 I do not agree that we tanked, i feel we have been bad for 4yrs and are still bad now. No matter how you look at it this team is not winning in next 1-2yrs. You can not draft player in top 12 see them make All Rookie teams, then after a year dump those players for trade assets. IT makes no sense. I get if you are trading for a FRANCHISE superstar, but why do it now. When we do not even have a healthy set of players. Fan have to realize that the pistons right now are the only organization in NBA history that are building a full rebuild around an injury prone player. Most other organization never got rid of entire roster, then built a team around a top pick while he was injured. They waited a few years saw he was healthy then start making trades to fit around him. This organization until we see CADE is fully healthy if he our main Franchise Guy need to wait to rebuild around him. Also piston fans are loyal and have been for over 50+yrs even while the team was losing. We want lose fans if they are losing, because it been done before.

@pheralanpathfinder4897 Месяц назад

Hayes had zero trade value. Ivey brings back a quality vet. When actively trying to lose 60 games why not gift minutes to a young player with good defense and elite passing skills. That Hayes never became a scorer is a bummer but his contract didn't hurt the team.

@richardbrooks853 Месяц назад

They are not going to trade either one.

@camerongiroux2908 Месяц назад

I don’t even think they need to yet

@scottwickett1273 Месяц назад

@@camerongiroux2908 Then how do you get better, when you have no other assets?

@Coffee-iv4gt Месяц назад

@@scottwickett1273 Get a competent coach

@rooseveltferguson5658 Месяц назад

You get better by staying healthy. How many more games would they won if cade ,duren ,Stewart played more also no more trash lineups Monty

@DirtyDev100 Месяц назад

@@rooseveltferguson56585-10. Still an ass team.

@MikeyP123 Месяц назад

Or we just don’t trade our 20 and 21 year old players for players who will have us fighting for a play in spot. The value for either player is not good at the moment. We have no choice but to try and hit in the draft and run the squad back out and hope our young guys develop and our rookie can contribute. If it doesn’t happen this year everyone needs to be fired and we have to start from scratch again unfortunately. Cade will be an all star caliber player but he’s not a generational talent. If it doesn’t work this year get assets and accept the fact that it was another failed rebuild.

@scottwickett1273 Месяц назад

No, there are lots of different choices available.

@MikeyP123 Месяц назад

@@scottwickett1273 choices who will only push us to mediocrity at best

@OrlandoKeenan Месяц назад

Yo ur next topic should be what should Ivey / duren improve on next season

@scottwickett1273 Месяц назад

Defense!

@Jalew1129Lewandowski Месяц назад

I am ok trading either one or both for a good 3 D wing, sign M Monk and one of Hartenstien or Claxson for rim protection

@Bogamonster Месяц назад

Look I am not against making a trade with Ivey, duren or, Ausar in it but it really depends on the player you get back. I also think all of their trade value is relatively low at the moment. The teams we will be trading with probably prefer picks to young players as well. It also seem weird to me to make a big trade to move from league worse team to a just missing playoffs team. It seems like it would be better to hold assets and add a few good free agency players than waste assets to still miss playoffs. Even if a big trade was to happen i don’t see us going from a 14 win team to 40 win team in one year.

@pepegajones6541 Месяц назад

I just think you could get away with giving Tobias a reasonable contract, allowing us to make other acquisitions more easily!

@Coffee-iv4gt Месяц назад

They should draft Bronny and trade him to the Lakers for Russell, Reeves, Hachimura and Vanderbilt on draft day.

@chriscee1778 Месяц назад

Honestly I was leaning towards Ivey, but now I'm thinking Duren. For one, I have a feeling regardless of what the Pistons do (unless we somehow land a superstar), we won't make the playoffs anyway, and I'm higher on Ivey's upside and we could probably keep him after his contract ends for cheap. Two, I like the idea of trading Duren to a rebuilding team for a stretch center to optimize Cade's and Ausar's game. And finally, I believe Ivey has a coaching issue rather than a skill issue. I believe if the Pistons had a Mark Daingault, a Taylor Jenkins or a Rick Carlisle, coaches that get every bit of productivity out of their players, Ivey would have developed to be the clear 2nd option for the Pistons. What's messed up about this is that I think both players will end up all-nba players one day. I can see Jalen Duren being something like Bam Adebayo (who I would absolutely love to have on the Pistons), and I can see Jaden Ivey being a bigger, stronger Ja Morant, who you can give the ball to for a quarter and he just gets to the rim whenever he feels like it. But Cade is the absolute priority and it's time to get a roster together that will win him games.

@scottwickett1273 Месяц назад

Bam is an all-world defender instead of a really terrible one, this comparison is wildly slanderous to Bam. (Ivey also can't be like Ja because Ivey is not a point guard.)

@cordelldemattei5446 Месяц назад

@@scottwickett1273 I agree that Duren is not Bam, but Ivey could play PG like JA, he’s just not as good.

@pheralanpathfinder4897 Месяц назад

Comparing bad defenders to good defenders isn't ideal. Also Duren hasn't shown shooting touch beyond the FT line. If Ivey gets stronger he might finish similar to JA although probably not as good.

@Coffee-iv4gt Месяц назад

Pay Bruce Brown. Dependable, gritty, 2 way and can play 1-4.

@terrancegoldman7796 Месяц назад

If I had to trade one it would be Ivey but neither one of them are going anywhere yet

@craigg5052 Месяц назад

I echo what has been said Cade needs shooting and defense around him. He needs an all star teammate.

@florida1289 Месяц назад

I want Sarr or Duren...take thats how you will. Im not parting with Duren without a stud to replace him.

@scottwickett1273 Месяц назад

I mean, someone who actually defends (without being regarded as a "stud") like Goga Bitadze would be a massive upgrade.

@kevinbillingslea2412 Месяц назад

Man... how come nobody is talking about trading Stew instead of Ivey or Duren! This is way too early to be trading Ivey or Duren after 2 years in the league! Fire Monty instead! Let's get a new coach with a new scheme!

@pheralanpathfinder4897 Месяц назад

Because Stew contributes to winning games and fits with any mix of players.

@scottwickett1273 Месяц назад

Because Stew is better.

@Zuwoop Месяц назад

This is there First full season that they’ve played together I know we had a rough season but that was mainly due to Monty and they didn’t have complimentary pieces around them let’s give it another year before we talk about trading any of them

@scottwickett1273 Месяц назад

No, it was mainly due to the shittiest GM in the history of the sport.

@cordelldemattei5446 Месяц назад

@@scottwickett1273well, that is why they had nothing around them, but the lack of making a game plan for the players that you do have was all Monty. I know that you could see a better way to use what we did have on the roster; I’m pretty positive you wouldn’t run all bench lineups until the game is too far gone for the starters to even have a chance. I’m pretty sure you would at least consider analytics.

@pheralanpathfinder4897 Месяц назад

There was no possibility of winning with Bojan and Morris injured unless someone convinced Cade to share PG duties with Ivey. And that would be a 20 win team

@luniz4209 Месяц назад

I don't think it's a guarantee that Ivey has to be moved even if he doesn't start, I think he can still be a 6th man for the next couple of years. Depends if they're able to get a starter as part of a salary dump. But obviously Duren is the better starter than Ivey. It really comes down to the return, I don't think you get rid of Ivey for a player that isn't a significant upgrade of what you can get in FA. As far as Tobias Harris goes, I don't think he's worth paying $30M a year for relative to Stewart. I think we need a 2 much more than a 4.

@mattwilliams5584 Месяц назад

Ivy will be a more valuable player in the long run. Duren has never shown a willingness to be a plus defender pair that with he can't stretch the floor. He never be a above average center.

@crispyasfuck2856 Месяц назад

I'm so hot and cold on durren he really let me down defensively Drummond was way better and that says a lot

@astrahl Месяц назад

lol he’s 20

@Jamar-lg9ob Месяц назад

Duren more valuable

@bingo8789 Месяц назад

He's above average now 😂

@cordelldemattei5446 Месяц назад

@@bingo8789 no, he’s not better than 15 other starting centers in this league.

@cordelldemattei5446 Месяц назад

Ku, Ivey or Duren completely depends on so many factors it can’t be determined as a stand alone question. If Monty comes back it has to be Ivey; the two of them just can not coexist. What is being returned in the trade? Also, I think that you overvalue the things Duren does well. Almost every big we played when he’s been out has done the same, including Wiseman once he realized you have to stop moving to set a screen. About any 7’ could replace Duren’s skill and he doesn’t yet have the most important one for a big man, interior defense. But, there are just too many variables to the equation to say which they should move off.

@pheralanpathfinder4897 Месяц назад

Duren should be traded for whatever assets can be had in the trade market. Maybe Mitchell Robinson and a first in this draft?

@ihashup Месяц назад

If the FO doesn''t change none of the young guys will be traded. If the FO changes the whole team needs to go and start over.

@rafaelsantana4905 Месяц назад

I'd trade the one who returns more value and Ausar should be added to the list indeed, as much as I hate it. I would also consider to trade all of them it there's enough good offers on the table But if I had to choose one, I'd trade Duren. I think Ivey is way closer to be good at his primary job (scoring) than Duren is at his (interior defense), it doesn't matter how good he's on offense cause he'll give up all of that and plus on the opposite end of the floor. And I'm not even saying I think Ivey is gonna be an all-star any time soon, I just prefer to have a bad and streaky scorer than a bad defensive center on court. It hurts your team less

@321thach Месяц назад

Cade to the Orlando Magic for 3 first rd pick

@rafaelsantana4905 Месяц назад

@@321thach in your dreams... You have Black so you don't need Suggs, let's swap him and Ivey

@321thach Месяц назад

@@rafaelsantana4905 you want us to trade one of our top 3 players for your trash player that’s funny. You better trade Cade while you can because once his rookie contract are over next year he’s out of there we get him for free lol

@rafaelsantana4905 Месяц назад

@@321thach lmao it's the Magic, you're getting shit for free

@321thach Месяц назад

@@rafaelsantana4905 I guarantee you Cade will ask for a trade the minute the Magic tell him that they wanted him or he’ll walk after next season. Cade play high school ball at Montverde in Orlando metro area and said Orlando is his city before the draft

@DelanoGlass-mb5mh Месяц назад

I’d trade JD 1st…but I’d trade them both to improve the team

@dylandwyer4026 Месяц назад

Both Ivey and Duren have lower stock after our terrible season. Tough to ditch them now and sell low

@cordelldemattei5446 Месяц назад

This is the (Weaver) way.

@benjaminblack7657 Месяц назад

Duren just needs to apply himself more at defense which is something that can be developed (like his free throw shooting)- otherwise he's developing into a great player. I agree with Ku's assessment.

@pheralanpathfinder4897 Месяц назад

Defense requires specific physical traits, processing speed, and BBIQ. Does Duren have all three as well as the desire to defend?

@scottwickett1273 Месяц назад

Duren is an objectively bad player because he can't guard you. Changing that fact is not so simple as "just needs to apply himself more".

@benjaminblack7657 Месяц назад

@@scottwickett1273 I think you could see that his focus for improvement was more on the offensive end this year. I think the criticism of his defense rightly came when he just stood there or didn't try to get down the court to prevent easy baskets. That is different than what you are saying-. Yes "he can't guard you" when he is not even trying to. I can't tell you how many times I yelled at the screen saying "DO SOMETHING". You saw a much different degree of hustle when you would see him go bounding down the court coast to coast to score baskets. He rarely ran that hard to get back on D. That takes initiative- that's all I'm saying.

@cordelldemattei5446 Месяц назад

I’m not a huge Tobias fan. He has always had a tendency to disappear or underperform in big moments, not just this playoffs. Would he help this team, sure, he is a solid player. But what makes you think he would ink just a 2 year deal with the worst team in the league? He will get other offers. Also, I noticed you didn’t read the % nba ratings of his stats when reading them off; his numbers are pretty similar to Ivey’s who you are trying to push out the door while Tobias is playing to his strengths and Ivey to his weaknesses-so how much of a help is he actually?

@pheralanpathfinder4897 Месяц назад

Pistons are desperately in need of 3% shooters. Harris will be a great short term bandaid. 2/80 from Pistons or 4/100 from a play in team?

@idekbrandon Месяц назад

Bye JI, I’ve been on that train for a while and need others to join 😂. The eye test prove that the facts Ku read off is right, you can find a wayyyyy better fit next to Cade

@kevinnewsham5211 Месяц назад

Ivey and 2024 1st Round Pick for Brandon Ingram. I doubt Ingram will be that cheap. I bet it would take probably some 2nd Round picks and/or Sasser. Monte Morris having a healthy season would’ve been a huge help for trades right now but that’s neither here nor there.

@scottwickett1273 Месяц назад

Sasser does not have trade value, that's not helping you any.

@doiteffortless8396 Месяц назад

I’d trade neither. The return isn’t going to be what everyone thinks it is. But if I had to, it would be duren. It’s easier to replace a lob threat big. But I’d keep them and improve through free agency and maybe trade our draft pick for a player. The hate for Ivey is insane. Let him develop. Give him the same leeway and time Cade got. Cade can’t even play more the 62 games a year. At least Ivey isnt injury prone. 🤷🏽‍♂️ Monty is the problem

@scottwickett1273 Месяц назад

The pick is worth more than either of the players in question. And Weaver is the problem. The worst GM in the history of the sport is more harmful and damaging than anything any coach could ever do.

@Coffee-iv4gt Месяц назад

@@scottwickett1273 SVG was 10x more harmful and damaging than Weaver.

@doiteffortless8396 Месяц назад

@@Coffee-iv4gt facts

@pheralanpathfinder4897 Месяц назад

@@scottwickett1273I'm not sure if this pick has much value. Our need to receive a pick in return further reduces it's potential in trade talks.

@scottwickett1273 Месяц назад

@@Coffee-iv4gt That just isn't true.

@JacobDrJIsrael Месяц назад

If Duren can be that guy he was in the PS and games 1-3, he is a game changer you keep at all costs... But if he is just that guy from the rest of the season, post injury, get rid of him now while he still has value... Ivey has to be able to finish better... Or shoot better... Otherwise, he is just another guard... Easy to replace the version of Ivey we got last season...

@pheralanpathfinder4897 Месяц назад

Drummond would occasionally have a game where everything went his way. That is probably the future for Duren. Ivey has shown the potential to be a three level scorer with passing and playmaking skills. After an amazing rookie season players sometimes struggle. I expect Ivey to compete for MIP next season... After we trade him this summer.

@JacobDrJIsrael Месяц назад

@@pheralanpathfinder4897 I hope Duren is more Dwight/Capella than Amarè/Drummond, but one doesn't know for sure until there is a track record established... Ivey man... Ivey... I see the potential... But I also saw the potential in Hayes, even if I would have never drafted that archetype in the 1st place in 2020...

@scottwickett1273 Месяц назад

@@JacobDrJIsrael There is a very wide gap between Dwight and Capela.

@Hilltop238 Месяц назад

Or sale the team

@jrawl Месяц назад

How is trading Ivy or Duren the most likely move??? That doesn’t make much sense when they are still searching for a Pobo. We don’t know what’s going to happen with the front office or coaching yet. Plus in a trade we wouldn’t get back their value at this moment. It sounds like some fans want to trade them regardless of the return and then overpay for vet this offseason even if it doesn’t make the team better.

@obi3924 Месяц назад

It’s the most likely move because they’re under pressure to improve the team for next season. They don’t have many assets for trades. Other than Cade and Ausar, their best assets are Ivey, Duren, and the upcoming pick.

@pheralanpathfinder4897 Месяц назад

For the team to improve the Pistons can overpay old guys or trade young potential for players in their prime on good contracts. Both pathways have problems and benefits. I'm guessing the Pistons do some of each.

@scottwickett1273 Месяц назад

I would almost certainly be happy with the return, yes.

@gameknotz3602 Месяц назад

As much as I like Ivey, I just don't think he fits with what this team is trying to do. If the org continues the "Cade's a PG" approach he will not flourish because he can't play off ball. Ivey is better with the ball in his hands and that's why I think he should be traded before his value declines. Can he lead the second unit? Probably. But my question to that would be is it better to have him as a 6th man or trade him for more assets? I value the ladder more tbh.

@cordelldemattei5446 Месяц назад

That is specific to how Monty uses Cade. Most PG don’t just dribble slowly to the free throw line clogging everything up. A more creative coach (pretty much any breathing human) could find a better way to use them together.

@RVK11-lr2no Месяц назад

It kills me but gun to my head it's Ivey. But what I think you're missing in that analysis is WHO are you targeting to acquire to replace Ivey or Duren? E.g. if say Devin Vassel somehow becomes available then sure, offer Ivey cos he'd slot into that 2 guard. Geniune stretch 5's are rare so who's replacing Duren if you move off him? (I'd love me KAT but I doubt the wolves will move him now). Also what makes Ausar so untouchable? He's the rawest sure but he kills the spacing more than Ivey or Duren and we've seen Cade Ivey and Duren play together well with Ausar off the bench.

@scottwickett1273 Месяц назад

Nobody should want that Towns contract. I wouldn't take him for "free".

@rodlove3132 Месяц назад

Even though they don't have alot of experience and I'm not bias because they were part of our last ship but we need to bring in Tayshaun and Rip and clean house. Let them make they choices on GM and coach and build this roster with some identity. I would take a Ingram trade and I want Miles Bridges as a FG. Booker would be a dream!

@elblouses128 Месяц назад

Still don’t think it makes sense to trade either right now. Not enough value to get what we need in return. I also believe both will be good players. Duren is 20 years young ffs.

@philosoqhy Месяц назад

Ivey has to be traded. All these players share the same proficiencies & deficiencies which is detrimental referencing Cade, Ivey, Ausar & Duren. Grimes is a overall better fit next to Cade although Ivey via reports is allegedly a future cornerstone... That's a problem.

@scottwickett1273 Месяц назад

Counterpoint: they might be worth even less later.

@elblouses128 Месяц назад

@@scottwickett1273 it’s possible, I just don’t think it’s likely.

@elblouses128 Месяц назад

@@philosoqhy eventually, probably. But it’s almost all Pistons fans being impatient about this. Most national analysts have seen the utility in figuring out who Duren and Ivey will become before making a final evaluation.

@cordelldemattei5446 Месяц назад

@@elblouses128 we didn’t think a 14 win season was possible either. Imagine running it back and winning 10.

@7milebee892 Месяц назад

Wow you are a major Tobias Slappy😂😂😂 So much energy waisted on a player that's washed.

@conchobar Месяц назад

I like Ivey, so I'd trade him first as he simply isnt going to shine here. That said, I think Stewart should be traded before Duren, because Steward should have greater trade value as he is a known asset and can esily be put to use by other teams.

@pheralanpathfinder4897 Месяц назад

Are we trading for future picks or veterans?

@scottwickett1273 Месяц назад

Stew is also BETTER than Duren.

@silentgreens2986 Месяц назад

I would move on from Ivey because he’s not good rn and keep Duren because I believe in Ausars work ethic and believe he will become a decent shooter and also Duren and Cade have a pretty decent 2 man game building

@scottwickett1273 Месяц назад

Duren is not good right now either.

@cordelldemattei5446 Месяц назад

By all reports Ivey has a great work ethic as well.

@arthurjacksonjr6276 Месяц назад

No Tobias please… to much money for not enough returns.

@dwilliams5056 Месяц назад

At this stage of Tobias career, why would the pistons be an option?I

@pheralanpathfinder4897 Месяц назад

One last payday and his family likes the city of Detroit. We might get a Detroit discount instead of paying the Detroit tax.

@hobobill08 Месяц назад

My gut tells me Ivey. I love both of them and think they can be great, but he hasn't seemed to fit well with cade. The exact opposite of duren who fits with cade perfectly

@cordelldemattei5446 Месяц назад

Any big can set a pick and roll to the rim for a dunk, not just Duren. All 7’ players fit well with Cade (and Duren has done this with Bogey, Ivey, anyone who dribbles). There is no magic Cade-Duren thing.

@hobobill08 Месяц назад

@cordelldemattei5446 while that's true, ivey hasn't really proven that he can do anything well other than be fast. Duren on the other hand is already one of the best rebounder in the league at 20. Plus, he is a very efficient finisher at the rim.

@cordelldemattei5446 Месяц назад

@@hobobill08 he’s nearly 7’ tall, of course he can rebound and finish at the rim, it’s a given. The most important thing for a center is a defensive anchor, and Duren is not a good defender. Ivey has not been good either, but was better and showed growth under Casey before Monty sabotaged him.

@douglasmargitza1210 Месяц назад

wow ivey played w grand rapids team for 20 + games n came off benxh for 20 games...not 1 veteran presence in lineup burks,bogie sucked after injury...maybe ivey never hits potential but all i know it took many greats to come in their own in yr 3 a la SGA, Edwards, j.brown, giannis,booker, even Ja, n fox, even tatum etc..etc check stats ..im not gonna panic on ivey or duren yet ask me after next yr.... especially with our cade,ivey, n duren maybe played together a total of 50,60 games lol

@scottmurray2181 Месяц назад

With Claxton, Valenciunas and Hartenstien on the free agent market, and Sarr and Clingan available around where we will pick, Duren's role is easiest to replace. That said I still trade neither. We have cap room to sign BOTH Tobias and Bridges and re-up Tec. That should be enough front court shooting to make a jump next year.

@pheralanpathfinder4897 Месяц назад

Trade Duren for whatever we can get and sign one of those centers and one forward. That gives us shooting and defense. The two reasons the Pistons couldn't win 20 games is defense and shooting.

@RedBarronArcade Месяц назад

I’ve said this repeatedly but I think the lowest risk highest upside is signing TWO of the following three players: Harris, Monk, Bridges. This is the only scenario where we keep our 2024 pick while developing our youth and not selling low on Duran or Ivy. I don’t think Ivy and Duran at this point in their development will net us full value in return. We need to look at this team as a team in year one of a rebuild even though that’s not true

@pheralanpathfinder4897 Месяц назад

Plenty of names fit the philosophy but it comes down to contracts and willingness to come to Detroit. KCP could be a better choice than Monk. Johnathan Isaac probably is better than Bridges.

@scottwickett1273 Месяц назад

@@pheralanpathfinder4897 Everyone is better than Bridges because Bridges is a monstrous piece of shit, as is anybody who wants him on their team.

@RedBarronArcade Месяц назад

@@pheralanpathfinder4897 100%! We can’t fix this mess overnight. Ivy, Duran, Ausar, Sasser and Cade are so young in their development still. Imagine if we had KD, Booker, and Beal. That’s an incredible amount of talent right there. They are gone from the playoffs. Or imagine having Lebron and AD and barely making the playoffs. It’s not a “big three” league anymore. Teams like Detroit must draft well and they must find role players that fit an identity. Monty and Troy have failed in developing our youngsters, cratered their confidence and tanked their value. Slightly overpaying for Harris and Bridges would at least give us the ability to help take pressure off of Cade, provide depth, and make it easier for our young guys to develop…. Coming off the bench. Image having a starting lineup of Cade, Grimes, Bridges, Duran, Harris. Bench: Sasser, Ivy, Ausar, Stewart, Tek. Plus our lottery pick (Hopefully Sarr or Buzelis) Is this a perfect roster? No, not even close but at least we have depth and the ability to develop our young players. This is going to take time and patience which none of us want to hear.

@Aboleo80 Месяц назад

Package them together for a good player.

@elblouses128 Месяц назад

Who’s actually wanting to give up their star player for those two???

@Aboleo80 Месяц назад

@@elblouses128 Some teams might be looking to rebuild after failing to make playoffs or after getting bounced in the first round and look to slash their payroll. Detroit has cap space to absorb a large contract and teams might be willing to bite and take 2 young guys with potential and get out of a large contract at the same time. My and your definition of star player might not be the same. To me a star is anyone who is borderline an All-Star player.

@wrongthinkpodcast2140 Месяц назад

@Aboleo80 I talk to family and friends in other states, they don't think Ivey or Duren are any good....

@scottwickett1273 Месяц назад

@@wrongthinkpodcast2140 They are probably gonna be right.

@limpbizkit6994 Месяц назад

Booker would never step foot in Detroit. Even more so with Montgomery Williams being the coach.

@pheralanpathfinder4897 Месяц назад

Are you sure? Booker had his best seasons and personal success with Monty...

@teezzz9645 Месяц назад

There has been no indication that FO expects to trade either Ivey or Duren and they shouldn’t. Trading one of them in just their 2nd year shouldn’t even be thought of it would be a terrible move and plague us for another decade

@cordelldemattei5446 Месяц назад

We have no idea who will be the front office, so of course there has been no indication.

@pheralanpathfinder4897 Месяц назад

I have heard multiple local media say that the Pistons are seriously considering trading one of the two Ku mentioned.

@pheralanpathfinder4897 Месяц назад

I think Ivey has more trade value and is the player the Pistons and most fans prefer to trade. I think that Duren is the guy they should trade before his trade value declines. That said Licked On is my favorite Pistons media.

@legalmeeple53 Месяц назад

It would be a complete waste to trade either. Just dump Monty and Troy, give these young guys more playing time together, and hope they stay healthy.

@pheralanpathfinder4897 Месяц назад

If the young guys are good why replace the guy who drafted them?

@legalmeeple53 Месяц назад

I didn’t say they were good, I said we need to give them more time for evaluation. Weaver, on the other hand has made several clearly poor moves (Killian, Bay trade, Bagley III trade, etc) and has lost the support of the Piston community. A refresh at that level is a better move than shifting potentially talented players in a weak free agent and draft class. I would prefer they move players when more value is out there for trade.

@ChrisH575 Месяц назад

I doubt the Lakers would do it but trade Ivey for Reeves.

@cordelldemattei5446 Месяц назад

Not a fan of this idea. Reeves gains hugely by playing next to two HOF players. I don’t think he looks near the same on the Pistons where teams can focus on him. I think the Lakers would jump all over this

@ChrisH575 Месяц назад

@@cordelldemattei5446 I think so too. Just don’t think Ivey has much value at all.

@pheralanpathfinder4897 Месяц назад

Ivey is valued around the NBA. We should be able to trade him for a quality 3&D 2/3.

@scottwickett1273 Месяц назад

@@pheralanpathfinder4897 I hope you're right!

@MisterJiggles Месяц назад

Ausar

@MrTonyJ Месяц назад

I think Ivey is more likely to become a star, but Duren might be a more needed skill set. I also think Duren might have higher trade value. I am leaning Duren but it depends on what the deal is.

@scottwickett1273 Месяц назад

I would be very surprised if the no-defense non-shooting center has more trade value out of the two. There is a reason he fell so far in the draft.

@MrTonyJ Месяц назад

@@scottwickett1273 well because he is a known commodity. He is effective at things he does well and there is still upside.

@pheralanpathfinder4897 Месяц назад

@@MrTonyJDrummond currently does everything Duren does for less salary per year. Duren should be traded before his market value falls to Hayes levels.

@MrTonyJ Месяц назад

@@pheralanpathfinder4897 it won’t fail to that level because bigs are valued slightly more than they were at the time of Drummond’s trade, but fair points.

@pheralanpathfinder4897 Месяц назад

@@MrTonyJ we did give up four seconds for Wiseman so you might have a point.

@quentinhendrix2375 Месяц назад

The grizzlies will take duren if y'all don't want him 😂

@astrahl Месяц назад

I’d get rid of Ivey. Dude isn’t a good basketball player. Duren is much more valuable. Duren not a good defender yet but he will get better. He’s a great defensive rebounder tho which makes him valuable in defense. Also not sold on Ausar. Dude is a black hole on offense and I think until he can shoot he’s going to hurt cade on offense

@scottwickett1273 Месяц назад

Duren is not more valuable, they are both worthless, and defense is why.

@astrahl Месяц назад

@@scottwickett1273 i didn’t say either we’re good nba players. But Duren is certainly more valuable at moment wouldnt you agree?

@ray6mile313 Месяц назад

It's a shame can theese guys at least play 3 years together pistons have always traded there players so fast its ridiculous an then they turn out great elsewhere smh!!

@classic76 Месяц назад

Thank you! Meanwhile, other teams are actually allowing their young players to grow and go through growing pains as they mature. Folks think Anthony Edwards and SGA just magically appeared outta thin air.

@rafaelsantana4905 Месяц назад

In a normal situation, yes. This is not a normal situation though

@pheralanpathfinder4897 Месяц назад

Holding a player to long can be as bad as trading them to soon.

@dbuck2862 Месяц назад

Most rookies have sophomore slumps just like IVEY/Duren but when you factor in a 2 new coaching systems, and Monty that doesn't know what he is doing you get bad results from the players. it will be foolish for pistons organization to trade them after 2yrs.

@mikeg.8904 Месяц назад

Tobias was playing terrible just before he was traded from Detroit to the Clippers.

@pheralanpathfinder4897 Месяц назад

??? Tobias was expected to get a monster contract because he was playing so well for the Pistons.

@mikeg.8904 Месяц назад

@@pheralanpathfinder4897ya that was the problem. Reggie went down with injury and it was left to Drum & Tobias to pick up the slack. Pistons were dropping games left and right. Drum was already getting paid like Superstar and then you have Tobias who also wanted to get paid like a Superstar and they couldn't win games together to save their lives. People talk about where the SVG era went wrong, it went wrong here. You can't play players monster money and not win games, it makes no sense. Fast forward to this past season, the 76ers DO pay Tobias monster money, looks great at first but again when Tobias is asked to be the leader like I'm Detroit he disappears. And the 76ers were dropping games left and right until Embiid comes back and you have the 76ers asking themselves why are we paying Tobias all this money?

@jayrodriguez2408 Месяц назад

Not a Pistons fan but if you guys decide to trade either one of them it should no doubt be Ivey. You do not trade a player as young and good like Duren. Excellent rebounder & lob man for Cade and I also believe he’ll develop into a good defender. I like Ivey but at the end of the day Cade is the guy and that fit just isn’t it. The front office should be doing everything to help Cade succeed.

@dariuscannon3645 Месяц назад

That ain’t the truth bro that’s just your opinion lol

@dbuck2862 Месяц назад

05:29 @lockedonpistons said Jaden IVEY is a poor defender. But base on NBA ranking So is Cade Cunningham, who has been injury prone much of his career. Both player are in top 30 for worst defender in the NBA, and Bojan was included in this list. Pistons had 3 of the worst defender in the NBA starting for us. So that hurts ever player defensive skills as defense is a team activity. IVEY upside is he is healthy and has had less injuries then all of our Core 4/5 players. You willn ever be able to build a team around CADE, until he is healthy. And shouldnt due to CADE could be the next Brandon Roy, or Kawhi leonard that always injured and his team never know when he will be able to play to help.

@doiteffortless8396 Месяц назад

I agree

@cordelldemattei5446 Месяц назад

I’d be happy with Kawhi compare if it comes with those rings.

@JConner26 Месяц назад

Go after Miles Bridges instead of Harris. I would be more confident with Bridges dropping over 20 points if Cade is having a bad night rather than Harris.

@bingo8789 Месяц назад

I'd trade Cade. Don't like him as a damn PG. Plus, Cade wouldnt be unwilling to play the 3 or another position for the long haul. Plus, he'd give me a bigger return. Give the keys to Ivey. Get a REAL SG. Done!

@pheralanpathfinder4897 Месяц назад

Cade for Booker? Suns need a PG on a small contract. Pistons need a high quality vet. Then ask Booker if he wants Monty to coach.

@bingo8789 Месяц назад

@pheralanpathfinder4897 Yup. I like Book here. But the media has to stop with the rest of the bums they've been mentioning to be traded here. We need bigger names with bigger talent. Like an Ivey for a Trae Young. Something like that. He's been trying to get out of Atlanta for a min. Go get'em!

@scottwickett1273 Месяц назад

@@bingo8789 Nobody should want Trae Young.

@scottwickett1273 Месяц назад

Ivey isn't a point guard, Cade is, and Cade is way better. This is a very stupid taek.

@stevonecapone7958 Месяц назад

Neither one they're definitely pieces to build around with Cade Cunningham

@scottwickett1273 Месяц назад

That's probably false. Neither is good.

@eusmainsah3871 Месяц назад

Great. Let’s trade Ivey, the one player that stays healthy the whole year and who can play the point once injury prone Cade goes down . In his second year . This dude has some wild takes. I’ll never forget the unconditional support he had for Killian or his love for Ausar , a 16percent 3 point shooter . That alone speaks volumes

@pheralanpathfinder4897 Месяц назад

Defense is a thing

@shellzenterprise Месяц назад

Sorry Ku but I 100% disagree with your Tobias take. We don't have draft picks or any young asset's outside of Cade that could get us multiple 1st rd picks. All signing Tobias is going to do is stunt the growth of Stewart, Ausar, Fonte, Grimes and anyone else playing the 3 or 4. If Tobias is going to make us a 30 win team then that doesn't make sense. It's better to lose more and give the young talent a chance to start playing at a level where if we trade them we can regain assets. That won't happen if Tobias is eating up 30-35mins. I get our existing core doesn't work long term. But we need Duren, Ivey, Stew, Ausar or Grimes to play to a level that when we trade them we can actually get assets. We can't rebuild this roster without draft picks to trade and make moves. That should be priority #1. IF we can get an all star caliber player who's relatively young then sure go for it. But realistically we aren't going to be able to trade for one because we don't have picks or young talent that is highly desirable for that kind of player outside of Cade. Let's use the cap space to take on bad contracts and actually get 1st rd picks for it. That's what we should use the cap for. And then also add inexpensive B & C level players that fit so our young talent looks better on the floor to increase their trade value so we actually have options.

@pheralanpathfinder4897 Месяц назад

This is what fans wanted for years but now they are tired of tanking to build through the draft. I never wanted to tank but next year's draft is supposed to have good talent. Eat two expiring contracts and we can flip them at the deadline with the draft picks we received if things are going well. If things aren't going well we probably end up trading Cade within a few years.

@moneylegacy8743 Месяц назад

No it dont need to be either one get stew outta here period wtf wow

@pheralanpathfinder4897 Месяц назад

What team needs a stretch big who defends well in the paint and out to the arc?

@scottwickett1273 Месяц назад

Stew is better than both of the others, and by a fairly wide margin.

@rasheedwallacesbaldspot5880 Месяц назад

I’d Trade ivey if I had to choose between the two. Cade needs a shooter next to him, and duren is a double double threat every game

@scottwickett1273 Месяц назад

Duren can't guard you, though. Ideally neither of the kids in question start next year, or you're probably losing 60+ again.

@andrebarnes1341 Месяц назад

No on Tobias Harris. But everyone should be available not named Cade. I'll go after Devin Booker hard.

@pheralanpathfinder4897 Месяц назад

All Booker trades begin with Cade. And that's a deal we should consider. Cades next contract will be about as big and kicks in 14 months from now.

@scottwickett1273 Месяц назад

@@pheralanpathfinder4897 No, the Pistons should not consider that. They would be every bit as fucked with Booker as their only good player as they are with Cade as their only good player.

@scottwickett1273 Месяц назад

You can't get Booker for the rest of the pile of junk, you would get outbid by 10+ teams.

@Hilltop238 Месяц назад

Keep Duren trade Ausar, and Ivey Draft Zachary Bring in all star 4 man no Tobias

@pheralanpathfinder4897 Месяц назад

Which all star PF can be had in an Ivey/Ausar trade?

@scottwickett1273 Месяц назад

Risacher is not in my top 5, and there is no "all star 4 man" available. Keep Ausar, get what you can for the other two.

@Hilltop238 Месяц назад

@@scottwickett1273 there's always someone available, at least Jeremy grantish level that's good enough should have never got rid of him. The Pistons organization is pitiful looking in the rearview for that.

@doiteffortless8396 Месяц назад

I’d keep em. I’d sign Deangelo Russell and miles bridges. And retain fontechio. If we get the first pick, I’d draft sarr. Starters: duren/sarr/bridges/russell/cunningham. Bench: stew/Ivey/fontechio/thompson/sasser/grimes………. Cade would have shooting everywhere. Bench would be solid. Defense would be improved……. I would trade duren or Ivey for Johnathan Issac though 😂

@pheralanpathfinder4897 Месяц назад

Starting Sarr is a bad idea. Starting Sarr with Duren equals 20 wins. Sarr will be lucky to shoot 30% from three as a rookie. Adding two starters is a great plan. Two scorers who aren't old or injury prone is a nice plan. Asking Cade to play SG is something I want but he might demand a trade.

@AO-iw9xw Месяц назад

Trade Cade and/or 1st pick for Lauri Markannen, Sign PG. Lineup becomes... C- Duren PF- Markannen SF- Thompson SG- PG PG- Ivey. C- Wiseman PF- Stewart SF-Fontecchio SG- Grimes PG- Sasser Any Cap Space left, we need a defensive Center.

@cordelldemattei5446 Месяц назад

That is a big overpay for Lauri. Why not just draft Sarr and keep Cade and sign a PG?

@pheralanpathfinder4897 Месяц назад

I wanted Lauri as a FA but Cade is probably to much. The Jazz can send us some future first round picks.

@detroitfamous7668 Месяц назад

I absolutely hate hearing you speak about my team

@LockedOnPistons Месяц назад

Then stop listening…?

@alexhale1328 Месяц назад

Trade Ivey , Duren and a swope of 1st Picks to Memphis for Jaren Jackson. Draft UCONN Center Clinge , Pickup former Pistons Drummond and Kennard. Trade Isiah Stewart , Grimes and future 2nd rd pick to Pelicans for Brandon Ingram. Draft Bronney with this years 2nd rd pick. LeBron wants to play with his son. Drummond can do exactly what Duren does , Kennard & Jackson can space the floor , Clinge and Jackson can protect the rim. 1st unit. Jackson , Ingram , Drummond , Cade and Kennard. 2nd unit Wiseman , Fentichio , Clinge, Sasser and Thompson.

@scottwickett1273 Месяц назад

Grizz laugh at you and hang up. Pellies do too. You do not know how any of this works.