Like Adam bobrow said anyone who doesn’t think ma long is the goat after his second gold medal is being emotional and that’s ok but just know the truth isn’t your feelings little bro
@@traytyler9951 Being the best of all time or the greatest of all time is not the same thing. Ma long is the clear best player of all time however, the greatest is not really the same thing. For example, Waldner won wc without losing a single set. Ma Long did not but he won wc back to back to back. Waldner is prob the most entertaining player to watch of all time hence he is so popular. Waldner has def the most talent and feeling of any player ever however Ma Long is the most efficient player and has efficient playstyle ever and prob a hard worker. For me Waldner stands out more since he is non Chinese so for me he is the gratest player, I do think Ma Long is the best of all time tho(my fav player of all time).
It was his excellent placements and especially his ablity to shoot the ball down the line even from the most difficult spinds and speeds that made him the greatest at the time
Liu Guolang, the chinese table tennis legend as player and coach, once said that he concerns about the popularity of table tennis more than the results of matches. Heavyweight balls are luring stupid stuff in table tennis. They make table tennis become bored with very few touches in every balls series, and with more offgame time, less long rallies, less visual athletic skills shows. Simple reason : heavyweight balls fly too lightening fast, and players can not succeed to react to apply techniques. (All heavyweight objects like stones and heavyweight balls can fly lightening fast in air, but lightweight objects as small lightweight paper box can not fly fast in air due to effectively air resistence). The less touches in every ball series, the less ongame time, the more offgame time, and players lose more their time for offgame time to go to pick up balls. HEAVYWEIGHT BALLS MAKE TABLE TENNIS MANUFACTURER AND PROFESSIONAL PLAYERS TO BE POORER AND POORER, because heavyweight balls make table tennis extremely difficult to play amateur social games for new beginners. Thus majority of new beginners leave away from table tennis, and there be very few new beginners still keep playing table tennis (extremely difficult to play game for beginners). It requires few weeks of training for new beginners to reach minimal amateur levels to play amateur social games in other sport, for example in badminton, billards, .. . BUT IT REQUIRES FEW YEARS OF TRAINING FOR NEW BEGINNERS TO REACH MINIMAL AMATEUR LEVEL TO PLAY AMATEUR SOCIAL TABLE TENNIS GAMES. It is very stupid big time training requirement for beginners in table tennis, thus majority of new beinners just leave table tennis. I personally see much many real life cases today : private commercial table tennis club halls are revamped to become badminton club halls, because table tennis is extreme difficult to attract enough number of new beginners to get profit for running commercial table tennis clubs as commercial social sport services. If the commercial private table tennis halls have high ceils, then their owners often cancel table tennis club services to convert halls into commercial badminton club or other sport services halls to get profit, because there are very few new amateur table tennis players. The reason of stiff difficulty of table tennis for new beginners : heavyweight balls make table tennis to be extremely difficult for new beginners : they fly extremely lightening fast in air, and they are difficult to control for beginners. Lightweight balls make table tennis become extreme easier for new beginners : they fly slower in air, they are easier to control for beginners. With lightweight balls, every ball series will have more touches in average. Thus table tennis matches will have more ongame time and less offgame times, thus players have more ongame time. It is valuable ! Because amateur players pay their time to play table tennis matches for health and social fun/communication, thus the more offgame time, the more waste time for players ! Everyone can try lightweight balls, for example 2gr balls, to feel how extremely more easily to play table tennis for new beginners. The next balls of table tennis must be lightweight balls, for example, 2-2.5gr balls instead of the current 2.7gr balls. The result of lightweight balls will be staggering : there will be more billion new beginners come and keep playing table tennis with new lightweight balls of 2gr, because lightweight balls do not require stupid enormous few years of training to reach minimal amateur level to play amateur social table tennis game, but require only few weeks of training enough to play amateur social table tennis games. Of course, it leads to increadible big scale business of table tennis equipment manufacturers, it leads to increadible big number of table tennis audience of professional tournaments . Because new billion beginners will play and keep playing the easier version of table tennis with lightweight balls 2-2.5gram, but not the current stupid extreme difficult version of table tennis with heavyweight balls 2.7gram, thus they known playing table tennis as amateur players and once they known playing then they will have interest to watch table tennis tournaments. They will be billion one, once lightweight balls 2-2.5gram are applied in table
Waldner is just incredible to watch, he shows that the game is mostly about how you apply your mind to it. Because when you do, you've got the feel, the control, the focus and the consistency.
Genau! Was interessant ist, der Tennis Spieler John McEnroe sah immer so aus, als würde er wie ein Tischtennisspieler spielen. Waldner dagegen wirkt fast schon wie ein Tennis Spieler
@@No_Rashism_Stop_Putinismтак дети рассуждают, ну поменялся нт, но если бы он был молод сейчас,то соответствовал бы времени плюс его одарённость. Кстати, сейчас теннис скучнее по мне , быстрый мощный прямолинейный, но нет драмы и такого разнообразия как при Валднере. А те кто сейчас тренеры , в свое время даже лучше теннис показывали,чем их мощные и быстрые подопечные, и думаю ,даже с тем теннисом обыграли бы многих современных спортсменов.
However, Jan-Ove Waldner is the ambassador of table tennis. The GOAT in the early stage of table tennis. Waldner is the greatest player at the placement of the ball and one of the greatest servers in the game.
How can he be an ambassador when nobody today cares about him. He was a good player but definitely not the GOAT. Ma Long surpassed him and deserved to be the GOAT. And Waldner was lucky to play in an era where Chinese table tennis system was in a self discovery phase
Waldner in his prime and in form was pretty much unplayable. Waldner is the goat with the old ball. Ma Long is the goat with the new ball. Tabletennis was funnier with the old ball. Could switch up the game and Waldner was the master at it. Nowadays it's all about who is the best robot.
Agree with every word of that, but for me Waldner was in a different class to even Ma Long. He could do things with the ball that no other player could do.
@@RalphHund It definitely cannot be denied. I am always amused when I read people saying "Oh, Ma Long would easily have beaten Waldner if they had played each other when they were both in their prime." This is complete nonsense. The great Swede was a clever player, and knew exactly how to 'shut down' opponents. The fact is, Ma Long never played anyone even remotely close to Waldner in terms of what they could do with the ball. He just wouldn't have allowed him to play his own game. (none of this is any disrespect to Ma Long. Waldner would have done exactly the same to Wang Liqin, who I also admire for his forehand and athleticism)
I really don't know if you watch much of current table this with that opinion. It feels like to me the often misplaced nastalgia people do with everything "it was better in the old days" when often times it wasn't. Don't get me wrong. There were cool things about the old days and the 38mm ball celluoid era. But lets not pretend there were not bad things too. So the ball was smaller and celluloid. The pace of a smashed ball was flat out faster. So points were over sooner. Less rallies. That's why short pips was so popular for a while. Smash it and the ball was basically unreturnable. Longer rallies make all the highlights and what people find fun to watch in the game. It's better now in that regard. Furthermore, my goodness go back and watch some old pros playing back in the day when you could dangle your arm out there essentially hiding the ball on the serve every bit of the way. How many aces did Waldner, and many other pros, get right off the serve because the placement & spin simply could not be seen? Serve, error, point over. Serve, error, point over. Not saying it was like that every time but it for sure was a higher % than now. That's bad viewership table tennis. Now players today still try to push it to the limit and hide the ball as much as they can within the rules but it's nothing like the old days. Lastly the change to 11 vs 21 was a good one making each game much closer vs a race to 21 where someone is up X number of points and you know who will win but we have to wait it out because the games were longer.
Jag vet inte om folk har börjat glömma HUR fantastisk han var i sin krafts dagar, men här kan man se det klart och tydligt. Jag anser att det hade räckt lång även idag....
Waldner beats all the top chinese players with ease, and that means the best players in the world. But he usually have a hard time against any other countries players. It's a little weird And as a footnote, China have more active table tennis players than Swedens entire population
I wonder if some persons think faster and experience everything in slow motion. Like a fly experiences a hand moving towards it. Waldner, Ibrahimovic, Messi.
@@magnusk5860 They have just trained their brain to think in their sport. All patterns are identified by ease because they have allready seen it a thousand times. I bet they are also very relaxed in the pressure situations and are able to connect with the flow state easily, simply because they have been in this feedback loop of getting positive confirmation for many years from performing in their sport and the confidence that this produces
He is the GOAT. I dont see Ma Long even coming close to his ball control, versatility, placement, etc. He has all the shots in the game. Attack, defense, counter, you name it, Waldner could do it all. THE GOAT! He is the Mozart of Table Tennis!
Ma Long is not going to cut it against Ma Lin, let alone the GOAT Waldner. I agree 100%. Waldner is undoubtedly the GOAT. You can actually see the intellectual brilliance in his shots, whereas the Chinese are one step behind in this area, imo. We need more Waldners in tt.
At his best, no one in the history of TT could beat him. Not even the Chinese robot Ma Long. Although Ma Long was extremely good at his prime, he's stepping down around 18 years before J-O.
Je ne l'ai vu jouer en live qu'une seule fois , c'était fa-bu-leux (il valait mieux être joueur soi-même pour apprécier pleinement, c'est tellement difficile !)
Are you kidding? They had carbon blades back then but they also had speed glue and the smaller baller moved faster too., In fact one reason they brought in the larger ball was to slow it down and create longer rallies for TV.
It was legal back then. Now you're no longer allowed to keep your hand in such a way that it obstructs the view of the ball... might be a bit more complicated than that, but that's the short explanation.
Da sieht man mal wie gut die Weltspitze, inklusive Waldner und Boll mit den alten 38 mm Bällen waren. Mit den 40 mm Bällen spielen dieselben Leute nur noch auf damaligem Landes- oder Verbandsliganiveau, da die Bälle einfach kein schönes Spiel mehr zulassen. Manche wie Boll mischen immer noch in der Weltspitze mit, aber das Niveau ist mit diesen Bällen einfach grottenschlecht. Macht einfach keinen Spaß mehr. Habe deswegen auch aufgehört, wie viele andere auch. Dieser Sport war einmal schön, aber das haben Funktionäre kaputt gemacht. Gucke ich mir nicht einmal mehr an. Sieht für mich selbst bei einer WM nur noch so aus als wenn da ein paar talentierte Kinder spielen. Völlig uninteressant geworden.
Dear LmvCnn: I am a definite fan of Jan-Ove Waldner. However he is now considered by most table tennis experts to be the #2 player of all time. Ma Long is now considered the #1 GOAT. Sorry
It´s not that I´m incredibly versed in tt, but Waldner is the only player I´ve seen that could always choose where he will put the ball and actually do it, instead of just playing brainlessly to where the opponent is just because the spin dictates me to do so. There is so many situations (in fact, most of the situations) where players should choose the side where there´s a completely open table for you to exploit and where your opponent won´t reach, but they still play right to their opponent´s paddle...it´s predictable and boring. Waldner was unique.
