Voyager was my favourite ST. However, I didn't like the sudden ending when they reached Earth. Would've been good if they had a few episodes portraying the events that followed once they came home.
From what I've read it's the biggest regrets of the writers and actors that they didn't do that, have some parade for them, giving all the character a ending rather than "ohh I see earth, all's fine now, the end". If I remember correctly it was in part due to network stuff and other episodes already being planned.
There's something nostalgic and relaxing about that hum of the ship and console noises, the background music, that you only get in Voyager. TNG has its own soundscape that I love too, but Voyager's is different somehow.
Good for you, not listening to others badmouthing what you like. You should still be open to constructive criticism to see and accept the flaws in this very flawed show.
I think it's because they never gave it a chance. After finishing a series, I always hated the next crew. I was the same way, but throughout each series, I really liked each crew. Only person I couldn't stand was Sisko from DS9. Complaining about oppression in the 24th century? 😂😂
Didn't give it a chance? Ok. After watching the entire series 3 times, I'm still in the "this is terrible" camp. Like the Gene-era Treks, Voyager was frequently pitting their crew up against moral dilemmas. Unlike those other shows, they would frequently pick the GREATER of two evils in those situations. Janeway was incompetent. The beep-boop sci-babble was cranked up higher than any other Trek. Oh, and ONE WORD: Tuvix. QED.
Don't get me wrong.....I grew up watching Next Gen and it will always be "MY" Star Trek, but watching Voyager is like hanging out with an old friend!! Love it!!
"It may be possible to occupy every single point in the universe simultaneously" She just described the Infinite Improbability Drive from The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy. All they needed to do now was figure out the question to which the answer is 42.
I wonder how Janeway & the USS Voyager crew would have reacted to somehow learning about the USS Discovery, it's spore-drive... & Starfleet's coverup..?
Well....I figure that how they handled discovering Capt. Ransom and the Equinox using those lifeforms as fuel would be a similar reaction to the revelation about Starfleet developing the DASH (the spore drive's official name is the Displacement Activated Spore Hub) drive....it gets them home and near-instantaneously, but at what cost? The spores used to work the drive had to be collected/harvested and at a much more frequent rate than what dilithium needs to be obtained at for powering the warp drive. So, I could see a healthy debate about the morals of using it and why Starfleet hid the tech from everyone.
Can you imagine unleashing Janeway on the multiverse? My god, the sheer horror of it all. Every universe, mined for coffee by countless species that she has assimilated into her crew, all being fed by Neelix, being forced to endure his endless stories and proverbs and sayings.
You know someone who really HATES Neelix ? Is someone who starts playing STO, gets to Delta quadrant missions and purposefully fails the Neelix missions, just to hear him scream in agony as he dies in phaser fire. Then repeats them !
@@seanbirch9663 what is a good fan? Accept anything shown on screen without logical thinking? Of course you're right about lizards and reptiles, but I never said they are different creatures. I'm a Star Trek fan, but not a Voyager fan specifically.
Voyager returns, Janeway is promoted to Admiral, and she's reading some classified documents "What's a spore drive?" Oh it's this thing that.. ahem.. could instantly jump across the galaxy over and over and over. "It. Could. Do... What?!"
The reason Voyager couldn't use the spore hub drive to get home… …Its saucer wasn't circular, so it couldn't spin. "Make it spin!" -Puppet George Hammond, Stargate SG-1 episode "200".
They didn't need to get home because they weren't really lost. You can't say you're lost when stumbling on Klingons & Ferengis all the time. Also, they managed to get home at least once a year while trying to get back home...
@@fenrislegacy Uh, what? The Alpha species they encountered were just as stranded as they were, in the case of the Ferengi, they were from a TNG episode about a wormhole that had an unstable terminus. The Enterprise was negotiating against the Ferengi for exclusive access to the Alpha terminus of the wormhole and both sent an exploratory shuttle to the other side as part of the negotiation. The Enterprise shuttle detected unusual readings from the Delta terminus and realized it was about to shift and tried to warn the Ferengi shuttle, who ignored the warning and were surprised when the Delta terminus shifted and they were stuck in the Delta Quadrant. The Klingons were on a religious crusade, following an ancient prophecy that told them to seek the "kuvah'magh" in a distant part of the galaxy and had left the Klingon Empire before the signing of the Khitomer Accords, so at least 80 years prior to the episode. The cruiser was turned into a generational ship, as evidenced by the children and families on board, and considering the most conservative estimates for Voyager returning home put their own journey at 70 years, it tracks that the Klingon ship, which was slower because of its more primitive warp drive, would have taken 80-100 years to reach that part of the Delta Quadrant. Other than that, the only other Alpha Quadrant ships they encountered was the USS Equinox, which was also brought to the Delta Quadrant by the Caretaker several years before Voyager and the Voth, who descended from intelligent dinosaurs from Earth. There was also their contact with the Romulan commander through the unstable wormhole in Season 1, but considering that wormhole also traveled back to the past, and given tensions between Romulus and the Federation at that time, there's no guarantee (nor evidence) that the messages left with the Romulan commander were ever sent to the Federation. Project Pathfinder wasn't instituted until Voyager was much closer to the Alpha Quadrant and even then the distance was so great that they could only send one-way burst transmissions as real time communication wasn't possible due to the massive distances involved.
@@fenrislegacy You're full of shit. Those ferengi were stranded. And how did they "manage to get home at least once a year?" You mean the time travel one where they were stuck in the 90's? Rewatch the series...
What if Voyager was SUPPOSED to take as long as she did getting back to Earth? What if someone or something they interacted with or contacted or whatever between where the Spore Drive took them and Earth didn't happen and it was either beneficial toward humanity or not? What if Voyager's interactions with the Borg or Species 8472 impacted either one and changed humanity for the better/worse from there on?
That is sorta what Q implied when he refused to return Voyager to Earth. Considering how they "defeated" the Borg, it makes sense they had a purpose in the Delta Quadrant.
Aside from Spock, Worf and Jadzia Dax, I always felt Voyager had the best characters: Chakotay, Seven, the Doctor, B'elanna... and Tuvok was a welcome addition to understanding what made Vulcans tick.
She didn't go quantum though, she went to subspace. I always thought that was a different dimension. Quantum is our dimension but really really small. :)
I just realized that "Two Broke Girls" was formated after Voyager, where after each episode of Voager they were so much closer to home (or not), while TBGs was so much closer to their $$$ goal (or not).
Oh yeah, and the gene editing tech to give basically anyone spore drive navigation capabilities but despite it being a really minor and benign modification, Federation law prevents it from being used everywhere in the galaxy. Pretty sure the Rommies, Cardies, Emerald Chain, and Klinks wouldn't have such scruples but apparently their collective scientific abilities over a thousand years are inferior to this one dude from the 22nd century named Stamets. The way all Trek shows sweep their own MacGuffins under the rug like this routinely reaches absurd levels.
@@tanja8930 When Discovery vanished at the end of Season 2, Spock recommended erasing all records of the spore drive's existence, thus preventing any further suffering. Not only does that explain why the technology vanished with Discovery, but it also keeps with the Federation's activities during that period.
The writers of Voyager just threw away "Suspiria" in a one off episode, instead of making the search for Caretaker's counterpart a subplot. Wasted potential. Of course part of that probably was the studio insisting on the episodic format.
I prefer the episodic format. I can watch any Voyager episode (as long as it's not a part 2) from any point and enjoy it. Sure, you get your good and bad episodes, but they're mostly very good - and episodic means so much more variety. Discovery is like a bad episode that never ends. In fact, I would rather watch a 10 hour version of TNG's The Outcast.
2:06 Tuvok... in the words of Seven of Nine: “You are in error.” Beyond the subatomic are the parts that make up subatomic particles: Quarks; and the things that bind quarks into subatomic particles: Gluons, or, perhaps, the gluon field. Also, beyond the subatomic is the smallest meaningful length possible: The Planck length, and beyond THAT are things that exist, but have no dimensions; ie photons, singularities, and ringularities.
But if this had happened the Borg would not have been weakened. Vpyager's long time away from home was sad, but the crew's destroying of the Borg transwarp hub was a huge set back for the Borg and secured security from the Borg threat for the Alpha and Beta quadrants (at least for a while.). Perhaps it was just chance, or perhaps it was always meant to happen!
Somewhere out there in a temporal displacement ,Voyager and it's crew still continue on in our imaginations and in our hearts traveling on towards home
Makes me think of the episode where another voyager crew gets almost home, but then disintegrates at the last second because they were just a copy. One of my favorite episodes.
"We are the Borg, lower your..." Janeway: *cuts transmission* "Not this time. Janeway to Discovery, now!" Saru: "Stamets, engage the spore drive!" Stamets: "I love you Huge, I'll always love you" Saru: "STAMETS!!" Stamets: "Whilst the stars still shine, my love for you will burn bright, Hugh" Janeway: "Chakotay... Arm the self destruct"
Voyager was known as ST: VOY or just VOY, but never STV Enterprise was known as ST: ENT or just ENT, but never STE So Discovery should be known as ST: DIS or just DIS, but not STD
@@mavoc3094 deep space 9 = DS9. The next generation = TNG. It's really up to the fans, and "discovery" is silly, because it shares its name with too many other things, including a TV channel.
@@rockspoon6528 Exactly the pattern goes, TOS, TAS, TNG, DS9, VOY, ENT, DIS. If the conversation happens outside of the topic of star trek then ST: can be added before it for context.
@@rockspoon6528 Here are a few examples for you then. ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-nzJ6hKdiFJ0.html arstechnica.com/gaming/2016/02/if-you-grew-up-watching-st-tng-then-youll-love-this-new-podcast/ www.reddit.com/r/startrek/comments/gf0ua/best_episode_of_stds9_vote/
Just more proof that STD takes place in a parallel universe, not the "prime" timeline. No way in hell would the Federation "forget" that kind of technology. I REALLY hope that rumor about NBC buying the rights to Star Trek from CBS is true.
You're confused, atari. Prime means FIRST. What series came first? TOS came first. It started the Geneverse. TNG, DS9, and VOY are all part of the Geneverse/Prime Universe. ENT made a temporal mess of things, but at least it still had the Spirit of Star Trek. I guess Agent Daniels fixed the messes after the show's cancellation. But I digress. That said, STD has NEVER had the spirit of StarTrek. Gene's vision of a brighter utopian future went right out the window. At least Star Trek's Spirit lives on. It found a new home with The Orville.
Star Trek's "Prime" timeline, as a concept, was invented for the 2009 reboot movie. It only exists as a means to compartmentalize the different series' for CBS/Paramount's rights issues. When folks say STD and Picard are in the "Prime" timeline, that doesn't mean they're in the classic TOS, TNG, DS9, VOY, ENT timeline. They're in the Red Matter Spock "Prime" timeline, which is in the EdgyCool reboot universe.
So why didn't _Voyager_ reverse engineer a cloaking device and just stay invisible all the time to avoid trouble with the Kazon, the Borg, etc? I guess TOS/DS9/ENT aren't prime timeline, either?
I thought it was the episode where Janeway had to decide, in an episode where another Q was released from a comet prison and wanted to die, whether he was to go free as a human, or be put back into the prison comet.
Love Voyager, love the cast more than any other trek. There's literally no one to dislike. From the Captain to every member of the senior staff it truly is an amazing lineup. In every other trek there is at least one if not more than one main character I just don't enjoy at all. Furthermore I just like the premise of voyager better. No Federation to call for backup, no typical overplayed storylines about untrusting Vulcans and overly aggressive Klingons.. It was new, fresh. Lost in space in a sense. With hostile species attacking them every few episodes or more. And it just got better over the seasons. Isn't that something to miss right? Shows these days seem to get progressively worse until they get cancelled. By the last couple seasons of voyager we were getting movie quality specials pretty often. It truly is a shame we get Picard all these years later but not Voyager
didn't dislike him, but Chakotay was way to bland for my taste, especially for such a central character. comparing him to Riker he might as well be a pole, but at least they don't have to deal with Diana Troy...ugh
0:03 That was Admiral Hays. The same Starfleet higher-up who briefed Picard about the Borg in "First Contact." By the next movie, Janeway took Hays' place! 😂😂😂
@@pianoman1379 LOL , Some time ago a frieng gave me Discovery season one on a usb memory stick ,I watched enough episodes to 'discover " they were changing star trek history.Jist don't like it all would never pay for it .Same goes for the Picard series
@@lenkubiak3051 Not really, it is based on events in the star trek universe, it is just what is called divergent reality. As for Picard, it is set way after the TNG and Voyager, how is is "changing star trek" other than it not being in the traditional TV show format? Discovery has also changed a lot since season one, events in season 2 mean season 3 starts with them being in distant future where the federation is basically dead. I think its a fun show to watch even if it does not go with "traditional" star trek episodic content, its a product of the internet age.
I just watched that episode lastnight, it wasn't the spore drive, it was bellana, Paris and Kim working on warp 10.... which they succeeded... with some issues afterwards
Wow! That’s pretty cool. If only they had this “spore drive” thing in the Star Trek universe/franchise! It could have cut years off of Voyager’s trip home.
alot of his "RIPS" is BS misinformation he cuts videos to make things seem more incorecherant then they are constantly leaving out essential information if it dose not suit his BS quit follow like a sheep dumbass star trek has ALWAYS has continuity errors lots of them STD has not veered off anymore then any of the other fuck wad
This does actually raise an important point: the spore drive worked. I know the Mirror Universe one poisoned the network, but the Discovery one seemed to work fine. And really, the only 'bad' thing about it is needing a human navigator. But are we really to believe that Section 31 would ignore the spore drive over that? "Sloane, if we build a spore drive ship, we can instantly transport to any Dominion base and destroy it from the inside. We can go to the homeworld of the Founders, and destroy them without warning. We could send the ship into the Romulan sector, and destabilize the Reman mines just like we messed up Praxis..." "Yes, but it involves making a human being mildly uncomfortable so they can navigate the ship. So clearly, we're not gonna do that, are we Burke?" Give me a fucking break.
Well to DIS's leaps in logic. The sad thing is, the series would be about half as bad as it is if they hadn't insisted on making it a prequel. The storytelling still would have been messy but at least it would make some amount of sense in continuity.
@@quinnsinclair7028 Not only that, they could explain that the research was started as an resque option to Voyager. Also when Voyager returned with info about more advanced civilizations, that are willing to trade it was pushed toward completion. Entire series would be a dillemma between exploration (TNG style) and gains from it (Section 31 agents onboard).
@@crank1985 Now you see, THAT is something I would watch. In two comments, you and Quinn have basically turned Discovery from piss-poor canon-breaking rubbish into a really interesting, fun concept. And Jordan B - yeah, exactly. Doctor Who, Star Wars (at least the Kathleen Kennedy-led stuff), Star Trek, all ruined by people who just don't know about the franchises and don't care.
Proves how propesterous the spore drive was in cannon, more advanced than any technology starfleet has possessed but was just a blaze plot point in Discovery
A blaze is a Minecraft mob dude. I'm sure you mean blazé. Also no more preposterous than slipstream or trans-warp conduits. Every new concept in Star Trek is considered "preposterous" by the people who hail to be fans of a series about open-mindedness and discovery, only to be eventually accepted as part of the canon just in time for those same fans to complain about the next new technology in a series about new technology. Also the spore drive appears to be based on an exaggerated version of quantum tunneling, which is at least feasible (in a sci-fi context). A lot more feasible, I'd say, than some tunnels of destiny running through some subspace dimension (yea, transwarp, I'm looking at you).
I’m rewatching Enterprise right now, after having gone through DS9, VOY, TNG and TOS. I can’t believe how much I’m liking Enterprise. It definitely feels like quality Star Trek to me.
Captain Hepburn Janeway, is awesome. The last episode from Voyager, she changed the course of history. I always think of the lives lost in that time line. I heard Janeway say, " cause and effect has no bearing on temporal mechanics."
ST Discovery traveled a 1000 years into the future and the people there still didn't figure out transwarp. One would think they could have reverse engineered an abondened Borg cube or something in those 1000 years.
What about the 32nd century? ... Discovery jumped 900 years into the future, aka the 32nd Century, for season 3 (which is supposed to come out in 2 months).
Ohh, I watched Star Trek: Short Stories "Calypso" the vessel had to hold it's position for 1000 years. For Voyager! Dun Duh Dah! If that happened, they would have not been eaten by a Borg sphere and blow it's way out and not be called the "Janeway Protocol"
I want to see a video like this where Star Fleet explains to Voyager that they can get home using a “spore drive” - and then everybody on Voyager becomes incapacitated by uncontrollable laughter.
Tuvok : Something must have happened to the crew CBS Corporation late 2020 : We fired everyone (including Kurtzman) because we got tired of losing viewers and money.
@@tomitiustritus6672 If only they had but no so if you like this scifi show incorrectly named Star Trek sadly it's still running at least one more stinking year.
@@bigoz169 hmm. I mean i am totally not stoked about what they are doing with Star Trek now, but i personally probably wouldn't wish it cancelled. I vividly remember how ST Enterprise got snubbed by fans until it got cancelled. Now, most people consider Enterprise the last of the "good old Trek". If they cancel the current ones, the franchise is likely going to be considered revenue poison again, like after Enterprise. And after the second ouchi, the studios will steer clear of Star Trek for a loooong time. As long as they do shit with it, it can improve. Discovery and Picard have quite big problems in terms of writing and a bit in terms of identity. But i see a lot of improvements in STD (hehe, still love that abbreviation) in the second season. The "Mirror Universe" thing at the end of S1 did also help. There are a few relatively good episodes in S2. Blatant redconning and jarring inconsistencies were always part of Star Trek anyways. And i have to be honest, with the D9 back and the Klingons growing some pubes on their heads, I think their visual rework isn't that bad. Now only Burnham and the spore drive need to blow up in a season finale and all is well again. Still not stoked and i still haven't watched all STD and probably won't, but i think i'll take this round a little easy. I think we should remember that the Enterprise disaster was the ultimate reason for why the studios made newTrek how it is and didn't make one for so long. And that Enterprise disaster was caused by the fanbase loosing their minds that this isn't Star Trek anymore. I guarantee there are still 70 year old dudes that are mad about TNGs Klingon rework.
@@tomitiustritus6672 hey I wouldn't want people losing their jobs but the best way to fix this is for it to not be considered a Star Trek show and go on from there this show is too silly and I loved Enterprise compared to this and considering I grew up in the 70s with the original series oh you know how I feel about this then being considered Star Trek especially when I heard that Spock had dyslexia at that point I felt the show should be canceled but they can just say hey this was a joke sorry and just rename it something else. And that's for blaming Enterprise for ending up with this travesty it's a cop out because the formula still works look at the Orville. It's like Disney Paramount well just about everybody nowadays only care about their little activisms and literally have no ideas anymore making them creatively bankrupt and it's sad.
@@bigoz169 I'm not blaming Enterprise. I blame the failure of Enterprise to be the reason Star Trek was considered to be quota poison by the studios for quite some time. Not that it is, but that the Studios weren't or aren't willing to take that financial risk. To be fair, the quota decline started earlier. Possibly Voyagers relatively lukewarm reception didn't help. Some say the franchise was just oversaturated at that point. But it doesn't change that the studios considered Enterprise a failure. Nemesis also didn't do so well. That's why they avoid it in television. And that failure was in big parts due to the fan outrage for being 'not Star Trek enough'. A classic shooting your own knee scenario. What I am weary of is that these new series being cancelled, rather than improving to at least tolerable levels (they do show that they start to listen a bit to fans. Maybe that's something that can be expanded) may lead to the entire franchise being a pariah for the studios again for another 15 years or so.
Theres any number of things that could have brought Voyager home, the warp drive used in star trek 5, the warp drive used throughout TOS, the Borg technology possessed by the renegade Borg led by Hugh, the Traveler and Wesley, whatever magical technology they had in the TNG pilot that allowed them to travel over 3000 lightyears at the speed of plot.
"If I, Milner Benedict III, get my employment at the Office of Naval Intelligence (O.N.I.), in a contract that I will create the full terms for, and that I, Milner Benedict III, and I alone, will or perhaps agree to - then I will tell you the major flaw, and not one moment beforehand. And That's A Promise."
It would be a right bitch if it didn't stop spinning in the same spot. There goes your short stroll to the bridge and that guy you liked across the hallway.
For anyone curious, the lore reason this doesn't happen is that as far as Starfleet knows (until the 32nd century) it had a 100% failure rate, destroying both ships with it equipped resulting in the loss of all hands, and as such was considered to risky. The only people who knew otherwise took the secret to their graves. Kinda stuff you have to come up with when doing prequels
The idea they would scrap the project entirely and never do it with smaller scale and lower risks is just silly. Imagine Sacrifice of Angels. "We can literally beat the Dominion and retake DS9 before the first Jem'Hadar ship even breaks formation!" "Nah."
Discovery either happens 150 years before Janeway, or 750 years after, depending on whether you look at Season 1 and 2 or Season 3 (coming end of 2020). Either way ... no Janeway. I do hope she shows up in Picard though... I mean, Seven did, and Picard seemed to know her.
Memory must be goin.. that or I must’ve missed seeing discovery in voyager! LOL for real tho, what episode was used for the backdrop of this? I honestly can’t remember..
