Let us just recognize that Tony was about to have an amazing night with Artie coming over with fresh food, drinking a beer on the recliner. Then Janice shows up.
It's a known fact families have hidden resentments and personal infractions they keep to themselves for a long time until they expose them when arguments suddenly erupt between relations.
I feel so bad for Artie in this scene. He tries to offer them food and Janice gets angry at him in return. He then tries to stop a fight and gets an elbow to the face. Poor guy.
Seriously when Tony says “and I was 16 when you left me in the house with our head case of a mudda” you can actually hear his voice break. Pretty heartbreaking and amazingg acting
@@sophiawilson8696 It's a different dynamic between Janice and Tony with the former being the firstborn and latter the "man of the house" after their father passed. Responsibility over their mother was going to fall on one of them. Janice, in Tony's view, ran. Tony, on principle, took care of their mother. It was never going to fall to baby sis.
Hesh, the old Jewish guy who on Sopranos, once told me a schlemiel is the guy who spills his soup at a fancy party. A schlimazel is the guy he spills it on. Artie is both the schlemiel and the schlimazel of The Sopranos.”
@From the Shadows Emerges... Not as painful as being tortured or getting shot in the chest multiple times, which happened to many characters. But this is the worst thing you've seen on this show?
As somebody who just watched sopranos for the first time as gritty as the show was it was funnier then most comedies this definitely might be the funniest moment of the whole show next to “she prolly crawled under there for warmth” “what was it barking”
Movses Timiryan Janice was only two years older than Tony, she was as much a victim as he is. “B-but she’s a freeloader!” And Tony runs a criminal empire that skims money off the working class.
“Just like your mother huh? Now you can do to him what she did to daddy.” This line is the most poignant one in this entire scene in my opinion. It really shows that The Sopranos is underneath it all, a show about dysfunctional families and the long term effects. Tony using Janice likeness to her mother as a weapon really shows how livia really fucked with their heads. The pain Tony and his siblings felt watching the disintegration of their parents marriage, watching them both individually suffer. Idk, that line is just chalk full of emotion i almost can’t explain it.
While saying "poor Janice" over and over again. Janice's constant need for validation was irritating but it also shows how she was denied it her whole childhood. Now Tony is denying it too. They're such broken people
Very good. I good relate cause my Grandmother was the mirror image of Livia. She slowly destroyed my Grandfather who was one of the finest men I ever knew. At the end she poisoned him. Very awful.
He...was...demented. Remember it was just a figure of speech...he didnt actually really meant it as he said before when richie was alive that the smartest move is to stay with tony. Its family after all.
Mr. Black He attempted to kill Tony before the Alzheimer’s kicked in. It was when he learned that Tony was having meetings behind his back, so he set up a hit attempt that failed. Shooting Tony in a fit of dementia was strike #2
@@anorourke8682 exactly, and the dementia shooting wasn't intentional towards Tony, as opposed to trying to have him whacked, THAT was intentional, when Junior was still playing with most of his marbles :/
Mr. Black plotted....he wasn’t talking about him shooting Tony, that doesn’t even happen until a season later, he’s talking about the assassination attempt earlier in the series
That's not why hes mad at this point. They got past the whole whacking thing. Tonys mad because Junior busted his balls while losing his mind to Alzheimers.
For many this show was about the ‘Mob life’ - for me it’s Tony’s toxic relationships with his immediate family. Livia, Janice, Carmella, AJ, Uncle Junior, etc. This encounter was literally a lifetime of poison between them expressed in a few seconds. Phenomenal acting, writing, and casting. Plus, plus Artie getting popped in the eye for his trouble is more funny than it should be.
exactly, and despite all his power he played the dutiful son/nephew/brother til the end. He never stopped trying. a complete contradiction to his life as a mob boss. brilliant character development, writing, conception, execution. just beginning to end a phenomenal piece of art.
@@paineintheass233 no he didn’t remember the time he brought up Hal because he can’t stand seeing Janice improve and even if she hasn’t improved so what she was being nice better then being nasty
So much resentment from Tony. She got away and got to live care-free and be the happy wanderer for a long time while Tony had to bear the responsibility and be the man at a young age; you can just feel the anger coming out of Gandolfini.
@@kyleparton4610 please you falling for this savior type crap. Oh my daddy was in mob I have be one too? Look how many that this guy could have left this life. If he wanted too. I like Breaking Bad better in the end, he admitted that he like being the boss!.
“There’s a lot I could say right now that I’m not gonna say” “FUCK IT, SAY IT,’ SAY IT WHO GIVES A FUCK?!” She’s used that line for years and I’m glad he finally called her out on it.
I mean, Tony definitely gives a fuck. Reminds me of the scene when he asks Melfi to be honest about why she won't date him, and for once she actually is (brutally) honest. He gets pissed, calls her a cunt, and leaves in a huff.
Ah Randy, but the Whitecaps episode with the fight between Tony and Carmela?!!!! That was THE fight scene imo. But yes this was absolutely amazing too! The cast was really superb!! 🤌🏽🤌🏽 (And LOVE Six Feet Under too!).
1:08 That little comment started the whole argument. She could have went another way but she had to slam Tony for his misgivings about being a husband.
Greedy D not to mentioned she was blowing Richie in high school on Tony mudda's couch but the part you don't wanna know Bobby was how she busted a cap up his ass too...
This time I named all the roadies She's nasty and she stinks and she's lazy and thinks shes a 9 is hilarious. Literally I've been around some beautiful girls She spills food on her shirt constantly Leaves cookie crumbs in her side drawer Leaves used pads stuck to her panties and somehow thinks shes good enough to get anyone back hahah Pure gross Nasty smelly cunt Who ever u manipulated to havk me knows im not lying too Youre a mess period no pun intended Daddy's lil whooahhh pass around Cannot wait till u both give up and I marry and start a family only reason I haven't. Is cause youre disgusting messy ass I lurking Like I would ever agsin attach anyone i date or love Connected to you to stalk Disgusting sweaty nasty messy twat.. Go jump oh a treadmill daddy's lil whooooahh Youre the worst and u are janice. Why are u putting fallout at the front of my prime U look nothing like a beautiful in shape nice human being brunette sweetheart. Ur fucking janice and I broke it down for everyone clearly what u are
@2:13 "but your hippie strength ran out" . . has become my new favorite Ton line, because it applies to sooo many of those shitty flower children; who came back around for inheritance time all geeked-out pretending to out-love everyone.
@terryq5150 did I hit a fried hippie nerve? It's ok, as a 70s kid, I had a bird's eye view of the shit show, so that no amount of blind nostalgia can reinvent the age of aquarius ass smell.
@@passiveaggressivenegotiato8087 Same here. The hippie era was bullshit. I still remember in Newsweek the picture of bikers (Hells Angels but not ''patched in''. They were newbies.) with pool cues beating on somebody at a Rolling Stones concert. Peace and love my ass.
I feel like it was especially hard on Tony because as the "male heir" there was pressure to care for everyone and take over his father's legacy. In the first season when Meadow asks him about college, I sensed a hint of regret. It seems as though he would have loved to study history and be something else.
Exactly. It may be okay to return and at least make a meaningful attempt at reconciling and repairing the relationship, but Janice, like the other Sopranos, was narcissistic and self serving.
Janice was worse, I hate Tony and think he's a horrible person but Janice is on another level lol. Every mob guy on the show was hunted by their first murder excluding Paulie and Janice and even Paulie got freaked out by that psychic, Janice never had a moment like that because she simply wasn't bothered think about it she killed Jackie in season two that's alot of time to reflect and she never does it's the same way she doesn't care about her son or even Bobby. Chris was a piece of s*** but even he is haunted by his first murder all through season one Janice was a psychopath.
@@Dark-Shinobi not a matter of bad or worse. They know each other very well(clearly!) and see just that darkness in each other. Imo their reaction is more a form of self hate. Why I think Tony takes better at Bobby, or Artie.
Tony is the only one who could see through Janice's perpetual bullshit. Never fooled. I think also about the scene where Tony ruins dinner by mentioning Harpo. It was a spiteful move, but at the same time he sees Janice playing house as the mother and provider but he knows that she's full of it. She abandoned her son!!
Ken U I see your point. But she was seriously trying to deal with her anger problems. And Tony, out of jealousy I believe, then just had to ruin it for her.
On the spot Ken U. I don't think she was for real with the anger therapy. Tony knew her best, could read her like a book and it took him two minutes to expose her bullshit. I mean, we're talking about a woman who murdered her husband, no problem.
It's a comment on narcissistic borderline people. They use people's sympathy -- "she can't be that bad" -- and use it for their own personal gain. Janice is basically a spitting image of Livia Soprano.
"Just like your mother huh? Thought you can do to him what she did to daddy!". After this scene I understood Tony really detests Janice. He sees part of his mother in her.
"ROADIES!?" "OH YOU DON'T WANNA KNOW!" LMFAO I see so much potential for Gandolfini to do some comedy movies/shows. The world was robbed when he passed away. RIP
The most underrated line here is when Tony points to runaway Janice and says to Bobby, “You want more responsibility? Start with controlling your wife.” 😂😂😂😂
This scene is so relatable. "And I was 16 when you left me in that house with our headcase of a mother, who you all of a sudden relate to so fuckin well." Haha.
Tony's "Fuck it! Say it! Who gives a fuck?!" is one of my favorite lines. Janice pulls the "there's a lot I could say right now that I'm not going to say" multiple times throughout the series, like it's some kind of threat to Tony lmao
Bobby was my favorite character, and I felt bad for him when he lost his wife, his father, and his own life....but I don't think I ever felt worse for him than I did when he was between these two.
Arguably one of the most satisfying scenes of the entire show. Janice was truly one of the most detestable characters (and that’s saying a lot from a show about cold blooded gangsters). This was such a relief for me as I know those tony soprano style nuclear bombs of truth really fucked her day up lol.
@@lavinder11 She was, she tried to get Richie to kill her brother, intended to wait for her mom to die and take her money while fantasizing about her falling down the stairs, abandoned her kid and didn't do anything while he was homeless, outright killed Richie and got the brother she tried to have killed dispose of his body, etc The guys on this show do terrible things to people, but Janice is one of the worst when it comes to their own family.
Even though Tony probably shouldn’t have started choking her, hes 100% right about Janice and what she would do to Bobby. I mean hell Janice prying Bobby and Tony constantly to make more money is also exactly what gets Bobby killed in the end because Tony moves him up and puts Bobby on Phil’s radar.
Lmao I'll never get over the humour in this show. It's so well done that it really helps to lighten the sheer vindictiveness, resentment and rage between Tony and Janice. I mean, if you look past the humour its a incredibly sad scene of two damaged individuals at each others throats. Janice's false concern for Junior as well as her hypocrisy leading to Tony's vindictive tirade about her lack of familial responsibility (however justified). Tony then calling out Janice's manipulation of Bobby, who still believes in her despite Tony's warnings (which, if we're being honest, have less to do with warning Bobby and more to do with his partial hatred of Janice for what she did to him). Its an incredibly damaged sibling relationship that should not be funny at all. But all it takes is the 'roadies' line, the flabbergasted look on Bobby's face, Artie's confusion in the kitchen and later being elbowed in the eye, and the sounds Janice makes when she runs away crying - to make this scene utterly hysterical despite everything.
So he was left with his crazy mom. They were all so crazy that Janice probably left for self preservation. Everyone in a dysfunctional family has their own interpretation of why other family members do or did what they did. But it’s usually pure survival to run away from dysfunctional families like this.
Doesn't make it less true that he was left all alone with a monster for a mother. And the feelings of abandonement tony harbored. Tony knows she went away their whole lives and is now returning solely to claim livia's house.
That is definitely true. It always amazes me to see people starting to throw punches at a guy who would obviously easily pound them into the ground if he reciprocated the gesture; just counting on him to not retaliate.
antred11 Not even from a physical perspective. Janice started criticising Tony’s behaviour when it came to family but he rightly pointed out that she was far worse than him, and gave examples. Janice obviously wasn’t prepared for that.
Sopranos is the most "real" feeling show ever. I swear everything from the arguments, the characters living arrangements, to the way all the different characters interact and cross paths with each other. Like Artie literally has nothing to do with this. He's just currently staying there because he's separated from his wife. Yet he somehow gets dragged into it by trying to stop a domestic dispute and gets a black eye. I feel like everyone can relate to a time where they were just chilling at a friend's/family's only for some bizarre situation to pop up out of nowhere. Sopranos does a good job at portraying the randomness of life at times
I think this is one of the saddest scenes in the show. Janice comes over seemingly genuinely concerned about Juniors health. Tony is still bitter about the ‘varsity athlete’ remarks, Janice calls him out on it and Tony explodes, revealing just how upset he is that his big sister abandoned him with their toxic parents leaving him to take up the slack for all those years.
She earned that choking... Lol 💯 it's not just about what she mentioned, but she seemed to forget about Tony cleaning up her Richie Aprile "situation"... Yes, Tony wanted him dead anyway, but, its the principal
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