印鑑レスになる前、口座を開こうとしてる外国人に銀行員が銀行印の説明してて、完璧に日本語を理解してるのに全く意味が分からない外国人と、真剣に印影登録の説明を始める銀行員の会話が驚くほど成立してなくてどちらも気の毒だった。想像以上に日本あるある。 Now you don't need a bank stamp to open an account at a Japanese bank. This happened over 10 years ago.
“Before becoming sealless, a bank clerk explained to the bank sale to a foreigner trying to open an account, and he seriously register the seal with a foreigner who understands Japanese perfectly but does not understand at all. Both were sorry that The conversation of the bank clerk Who started the explanation was not established surprisingly. There is more Japan than I imagined.“ This doesn’t mean anything
@@mattybrunolucaszeneresalas9072 Here lol: "There was this one time a non-Japanese person was trying to open a bank account without having become 'stampless' first (apparently this is a special thing you need to apply for or something) and the bank employee was trying to explain what a bank stamp is, and even though the person flawlessly understood what the employee was saying in Japanese, he couldn't grasp what a stamp was needed for, and I felt so bad for both him and the employee who started to give a serious, detailed explanation of what stamp registration was to him. Was honestly one of the most Japanese things I've ever seen." I'm not Japanese either so idk for sure what the whole stamp situation is but that seems to be the gist
You can use the Japanese one in China too. Some people here think using traditional characters in signatures is trendy. University admin like to use seals when signing certain types of documents. Of course, it's not a common thing but still something people do including some Japanese expats in China (unless your name cant be transliterated between languages).
Also, I think the Chinese counterpart would be square, and the characters will be printed in what’s called a seal script. Though Japan also uses a square seal as well, especially the emperor (privy seal), and the Japanese government (state seal).
@@Claro1993 Yeah, in Japan every major public institution uses classic seal script. Some people in official positions like university deans also use the square seal personally, commonly seen on university diplomas in Japan. Sadly, mainland China no longer officially uses the square seal. Public institutions there use a circular stamp with a star in the middle. The use of square seal is now an informality. But in Taiwan, the government still uses square seals just like China before 1949.
Businesses still use stamps for signing legal documents in China. There's the interesting case where ARM (the microprocessor company) couldn't fire its ARM China CEO for 2 years as he caught wind of it and hid with the stamp. Without the stamp, no one could legally fire him, and replacing a seal requires signing the replacement document with the existing seal. The alternative option was the legal representative of the company could fire him. But the CEO on rogue was the legal representative. I think he was finally removed this year.
@@hirigone I think you can report lost of seal, like your you report you lose your ID or passport as an individual. I'm not too sure of the actual mechanisms though.
My signature is very unusual, but its actually a stylized monogram that contains the letters for all of my names. The advantage to it is its very hard to forge.
In Germany, if you would use a signature which is as orderly as this when registering for some ID-card, they might demand you to write less orderly in order to bring a personal touch to your signature. The reason for this is that in Germany, you can seal contracts by giving your signature and if it can be copied too easily, you might have a problem with people claiming to be you, signing contracts in your name. They also might think you plan to do a crime and are intentionally faking your real way of writing so that later, the police won't have a hard time, identifying you due to your writings. At the police here, there are people who can tell by your signature if it was really you who wrote it or if someone just tried to copy your signature. If you write that orderly, they might even see that you are Chinese, Korean, Japanese or Taiwanese, because people in those countries tend to be tought to write that way.
japanese uses this unique stamp and if one doesn't have one, were to use their signature instead. i was once confused by this, see when i sign my signature it was rejected and told its wrong, then explained that a sign is a "name that are written by oneself", now you see the signature in my country is a "sign that can ONLY be written by oneself" and following this, the sign in my country are like a drawing with particularly specific scribble in lengths and cruves(doesnt usually content actual name but just specific letters in ones name), and so i took that understanding when told "name that are written by ONESELF" and begun writing my signature, then i was denied again and told its wrong, i was confused and ask why, then they said this is not a sign, its a mess of a scratches, a sign is something you can read. Only then i understand what he meant is just a normal name writing lol and i was like is this safe? wouldn't it can be easily forged?
My signature isn't even my name. I started using that since i was in school. Now that i think of it, it makes so much sense because there's no one in my life that i haven't lied to...
When I sign my name, I write my name the same way I write any other text. I've seen so many weird squiggles as signatures, I don't have those, and likely when I see one of those I can't tell what letters/characters were written.
@@lancearguelles708 my mum used to work in a bank and according to her its more difficult to imitate a signature that is mostly handwritten names than a bunch of squiggles. Something that comes out naturally from your hand is less likely to be copied 100% accurately
They are still used in Republic of China, so called "PRC" is not actually real China, and more like a Leninist-Marxists-Maoist totalitarian copy of Soviet Union.
Are there any rules around the signature that's used on the inkan? Do you have different "styles" of inkan for different types of signatures and documents?
channel language stuff. i did that with my channel description, where if you are in japanese, it shows the set japanese i put for it, then in english it's what i set it to in english. weird stuff.
In China personal stamps are not required anymore. Stamping/sealing is more of a hobby thing. Besides collectors, most calligraphers and traditional Chinese painting artists usually have their own stamps to put on their works. Organizations and institutions still use sealing tho. Embossing sealing and sealing over the edge of multiple pages of documents are very common
@@claudestan6834 Yeah, but I think just some of them still use it in Hong Kong. But I'm not sure if they are no longer used recently as last time I've seen is few years ago.
I always wonder why lots of Japanese people tend to write cursive too carefully. It is basically for saving time and you don't have to do carefully and slowly.
Yeah. In the US, that wouldn’t really be considered a “signature” so much as just writing your name in cursive. Signatures are usually somewhat abstracted
Japanese had different variations of romanization before the modern standard. You can write 東宮 in different romanization like Tohgu, Toogu, Tōgu, Tôgu and Tougu.
