Jaron Lanier: How humanity can defeat AI 

Beautifully put.

Love it.

Exactly. I don’t expect him to understand that, as he’s already ideologically all in with the people creating the AI. Distrust in AI is part and parcel of distrust in the Elites, particularly big tech and the information overlords who think they have a right to determine what “truth” means for everyone else.

- If you want a picture of the future, imagine a boot stamping on a human face-for ever. (Orwell)

intelligent hammers aren't hammers anymore

Who controls the algorithms controls the minds.

Geeks working for megalomaniac oligarchs. Sometimes they are one and the same as in the case of Bill Gates.

@@SB-fx9jr ...and then there is brainwashing.

I live near a highschool and when I moved here I fully expected teens buried in phones. Kids catch the busses across the road, and those who walk home walk past my house. I have been pleasantly surprised. I don't observe kids looking at phones, they are talking to each other, boys kick footballs etc. It is their parents generation I've found who bury their faces in social media every chance they get.

@@grannyannie2948 Thank you for sharing this! It gives me hope.

That will be the least of our problems when AGI becomes super-intelligent. See Eliezer YudKowski‘s interviews. 🌍 ☄️

theTuring test is basically a self test of the questioner :P

@@astanarcho8651 Matthew 16:25 For whosoever will save his life shall lose it: and whosoever will lose his life for my sake shall find it. Mark 8:35 For whosoever will save his life shall lose it; but whosoever shall lose his life for my sake and the gospel's, the same shall save it. Luke 9:24 For whosoever will save his life shall lose it: but whosoever will lose his life for my sake, the same shall save it. Luke 17:33 Whosoever shall seek to save his life shall lose it; and whosoever shall lose his life shall preserve it.

@@theharshtruthoutthere Isaiah 43:2 When you pass through the waters, I will be with you; and through the rivers, they shall not overwhelm you; when you walk through fire you shall not be burned, and the flame shall not consume you. :)

@@astanarcho8651 i have wisdom and understanding about bible verse, and i therefore understand which each verse says. Do you also have wisdom and understanding about heavenly things?

Ticket for Mars...more likely is a one way ticket to a voyage up your colon...you missed the point long ago.

@@ericrobinson7184 Utter word salad, explain what you mean or stfu.

We ain't going to Mars. After 50 years you should be questioning whether we actually went to the moon. What's the actual evidence? Some dodgy TV footage from the cameraman that got there first?

Maybe, this is why Elon is so set on getting a Mars colony as soon as possible.

I hope you all go to Mars soon and leave us in peace. Minus the "progress" this land is pristine.

The answer is yes.

Yes, all you have to do is combine AI intelligence with the tech being created by Boston Dynamics, and you will have horrifying new weapons that every military on earth will be drooling to own and use for murder and oppression.

Then we need to stop creating situations where AGI, nation states and terrorists will thrive and use such technology to achieve their aims. Alternatively, it's back to the stone age for all of us, since any progressive technology can be weaponised.

Everything that can be weaponized will be weaponized. The same is true with any technology, whether it is AI or not. So the problem is not AI or the technology, but the systems with perverted incentives that we have in place. These systems should be the real cause of concern - as humans and human behavior will adapt to survive in whatever system/environment it finds itself.

@@jaytsecan the problem is that a few people are psychopaths.

Yeah, but you can basically say that about anything

AI does as it is programmed to do (by humans) using the data it is given (by humans). It is not a representation of what we think of ourselves it is a means to control what we think, see and hear. AI already chooses what content you have access to on YT and if your comment is deemed "safe for consumption". The internet was "given" to the masses to collect data, the mother of all data mines. The data collected informs AI. They didn't have to get a court order or come to your door with a tank, to collect all the data needed to control you. It was a digital coup d'etat against humanity.

Thats a profound statement.

Or what we know about others, and what we have learned about people in power.

If we think the world is made of works, we will see LLMs as gods. The world is not made of words.

AI was created over 100 years ago

​@@svenjorgensenn8418 THANK YOU it has to be said

@@svenjorgensenn8418 Please do let me know more about this. I am incredibly interested in knowing 🙏🏻 because I have been following certain events and I have smelled its involvement through them for quite a while. And events dating back at least decades.

Great read.

All you need to do is look at everything being created by Boston Dynamics and then imagine those monstrosities equipped with AI brains and you have literal terminators. Because the only group with the money to fund this tech is the military, of course, and they are all insane.

- In the 21st century, a weapon will be invented like no other. This weapon will be powerful, versatile and indestructible. It can't be reasoned with. It can't be bargained with. It will feel no pity. No remorse. No pain. No fear... This weapon will be called...The Terminator...The thing that won't die, in the nightmare that won't end. (Tagline for 1984 movie "The Terminator)

Soo sky Netflix is the future, great..

yep, the governments have turned against the people and are collecting data

like the series 2025

If you play evil backwards it is Live. Devil is Lived.

IP doesn't exist. Absolute nonsensical BS.

Insightful? Characterizing these LLMs as a mashup of "humanity" rather than the product of arrogant AI Tech Bros claiming the entire data set of humanity as THEIR OWN to profit from? Is this lover of humanity going to be pushing Bill Gates to forego hundreds of billions to be distributed to the little people in the form of UBI to the newly unemployed?

The argument that's being made here is that guns don't kill people. People kill people and so AI is just a tool like a gun and we should be smart enough to not point it at our head. However, we all know that tools are used as weapons everyday. We know civilizations collapse. We know that people are profoundly stupid. But what he says is true. We have a choice. A code does not take that away. Moloch isn't a machine, but it may be a machine that we've created, and we've created that machine because Moloch lives within us.... Maybe just maybe AI is the way to solve this problem? That seems to me would be the real question. Can AI (created in the image of man) overcome this Moloch. Can we hack the Game-A? Can we move to Game-B? This is the big open question.

I agree. I do find it curious that Jaron would be worried about China and not worried (at least not worried enough to mention) about how his own government would use AI to manipulate people. Perhaps it's that naivety.

We'll be dispensed with not because we would be inferior, but because we will be irrelevant enough

Or because we might become a nuisance as the AI's objectives diverge from our own.

typical intellectual pretends to rebel but at end of day doesn't have guts to

Exactly, he says nothing, just loves the sound of his voice. He peppers it with literary references to give it pseudo legitimacy. Pretends to have his own voice, but really it is the co. line. He is officially or unofficially part of their PR dept.

That just means you didn’t understand. Try harder.

​@@andybaldman there was a saying of Einstein the one about internet 😂

we usually need to buy own freedom try limiting these building a long term plan how to get to where you want to get small things compounded can really make a huge difference many are completely free as good sleep habits letting you cope with all the toxic stuff around shaping own environment is important regaining own will consciousness of decisions calm thinking and deeper understanding of own preferred lifestyle i replaced lots of things I don't really need with what made a small differences constantly paying off but the gap to other people grew 😂 still health really improved and that's my first thing of all foundation

you want some dark jokes? why would you care about things that happened nearly 100 years ago it's hard to believe people care about things completely unrelated to them while ignoring things totally related with them 😂

Thats because the real holocaust and real Rwandan genocida really happened, and AI “going rogue” and killing everyone will literally never happen

It all lies in the prompt.

Haha Unplug it.

only for you not for the tech needed to control you (you=all of us)

Such is the new idiotic propaganda point repeated by AI Tech bros.

Ego, obsession ... “status”, prestige ...

Andrea Andrea This is a world wide occurrence, not just seattle it's all over the built up world right now.

@@spirgtudsrubec7776 Yes! It is worldwide. And WHY?

@@andreaandrea6716 Lets put it this way, it's not by accident. more by intention.

@@spirgtudsrubec7776 !!!

It would seem that way.

> Once you use it a lot, you start to notice it's glaring limits >> One I used it a lot, I noticed its glaring limits. See that? Good. Now do it.

@@rabbitcreative lol 🤡

Those limits will always exist. That's what people don't get. AI will never touch most of the aspects of human intelligence; it just happens to touch on some of the most measured conscious aspects that tend to be impressive. Great promise but not "superintelligence."

@@ThePallidor Yes, mechanical tasks, memory, repetition, calculation... The pb is their definition of intelligence.

Sure, right.

I think they are pure scientists or inventors. They are fulfilled purely by the pursuit of knowledge, and any moral consideration comes after, if at all. People like that are very dangerous when they are under the control of evil bosses, just like Oppenheimer. They themselves are powerful tools of creation who don't seem to have any common sense about what should and should not be made real.

@@WyldeRatttz seems all the funding is for things that hurt the species

as usual humans spel ling random magical words testing what gonna happen 😂

Obviously the AI is telling you what the person that made the AI want you to think

What is WEF and what are their alleged agendas?

conspiracy of course

@@keyboardking8008 Best response. Those in power want to control AI for that exact reason.

As soon as he asserted that we should consider these LLMs a "collaboration of humanity" I realized I couldn't trust this guy. He's on a propaganda mission and that's obvious. AI Big Tech just assumed the data of humanity as their own, in order to make billions if not trillions of USD. And they couldn't care less about the very real negative impacts this will have on humanity while pushing fantastical Utopian notions of "everything will be cheaper", "people won't have to toil at non-meaningful jobs", and "everyone will have great healthcare", and "the standard of living will rise for everyone", and all of the rest of the tripe. Stuart Russel is doing the same thing except he feigns a bit more concern for the alignment problem, but it's easy to see through.

i prefer him not overly pessimistic his kind is already most depressed in history and many of them on edge of getting fully insane we lack constructive solutions and optimism we selffullfill to many bad prophecies actually

there are no wise men at the top watching out for everyone unfortunately

Did you mean salivating?

he explained they are all freaks and we should be happy some of them still have a bit sanity and consciousness

Right and to blame Russia for things that the US is doing regularly, pathologically, while ignoring our own constant propaganda seems naive or disingenuous.

Well said. But we also need to learn how to use our bodies again, hands most of all and using different kind of materials for different uses. Growing some of our own food too.

Smart people read what the Muller report actually says.

@@EvieDoesRU-vid You are very smart indeed. Wow!

years of conditioning both sides believe own myths

What was that sci fi film, "Forbidden Planet"? At the end the old man exclaimed, "monsters from the id!"

The summary is that it's not an alien intelligence. It's simple math deployed on a grand scale and it's working with pieces of data that have creative content. We don't have to pretend that it isn't an alien intelligence, because it isn't. Anyone pretending it's an alien intelligence is either caught up in a fantasy, too stupid to know the difference or trying to sell you something.

Didn't humanity create AI? The 2023 article "My Dinner with Sydney..." includes this quote: - Out of the crooked timber of humanity no straight thing was ever made. (Kant) Concerning "reveal humanity', that article also includes this quote: - Human nature is weak. (Dr. Fauci)

in what sense we often need to be cruel to oneselves to grow up

@@szymonbaranowski8184 confession isn't change. Neither are witchhunts.

@@paulbarclay4114 Just great! What a bunch of nerd idiots. So Terminator 1 and 2 look now like documentaries.

@@paulbarclay4114 that was his point my friend.

the problem is that 90% of the developers of this technology develop it with their ideological biasses, thus making the database and standpoint of it inaccurate. It is not neutral.

@@Larindarr it's very unlikely that it is the developers who decides the bias, it's way more likely that it is those who pay their salary.

AI does not have responsible information. That is dangerous in itself.

​​@@petneb You are saying the developers have no control over the bias themselves independent of the people that pay them. That would point to the developer in this very interview. He says he doesn't know what meaning is or even what an idea is.

@@tatie7604 I'm sure "by developers" he it referring to the companies that develop these ai models. By all means this is developed by hundreds of computer scientists and you can be certain that they have managers who has managers...

money is secondary to control, a control that prevents most people from fighting back against the system of control

this is the whole truth it was always about replacing ppl.

robots aren't cheap that's why they hype digital everything because it's cheap they need digital robots and humans in digital world because they can't find normal ways to improve real world as their brains diet long ago and aren't able to invent anything like Tesla era did nearly every week they play with what already exist low hanging fruits from big scale solutions they outsource computer thinking because they can't think themselves anymore 😂😂😂

Absolutely. Ai doesn't store the source. If it did that it would be a database. If it was a database it wouldn't be ai. We have copying each other forever and finding the source is impossible if ai is to be able to play with words.

It seems that this AI that we're talking about is a greater threat to IP than to anything else. Rehashing and reinventing what other people have done before us is the mimicry that all human beings engage in. It's the unconscious imitation and the attempt to find meaning that we've all been doing from the beginning of time. So what's really changed here? What's changed? Is every human being now has a scientific advisor in their pocket if they wish to consult it. Apps will be developed to help leadership and conflict to make decisions using this scientific advisors. They'll be methods employed. If people wish to avail themselves of this wonderful technology, it is available. Would be used? Not by many but perhaps by the leaders of groups that are in conflict that are trying to find consensus. In this way we now have a tool that was never available before. Those people who learn to use it will make a better world. Don't see a downside here? The downside is the same problem we've always had which is mischievous. People with the grievance are going to attack others because they think that they're being attacked. I solve the human nature problem that's going to continue. Thing that can be used to fix something can also be used to break something we have to remember. AI is just an amoral tool. It's not some super intelligent alien technology that fell out of the sky. He will be used for good and ill but we need to start thinking about the good and how best to implement it at the strategic planning level of human decision making. This is a scientific advisor and a syntax translator. It's could be best employed for conflict resolution. Two parties had good faith and they really want to resolve an issue. This tool is indispensable.

we already have to many people writing books about books and papers about other papers it's a smart but confabulating database it can find you patterns if you are able to properly explain your conditions to be met it won't think of itself and won't assess things as you not being you it's biased by default by its authorship but it already benefits us, you can create code not having much idea about coding it's like RU-vid a private university just with a bit insane professors we will still wait for a sane one to complement it it's like right brain and needs an overly principled left brain or three differently biased to compare and keep right brain from acid tripping all the time and the primal one to automate things that you already learnt to do with it to repeat without own input

find a global company in the tech field that wasn't started from CIA seed money. Whether he's MS or Google or whatever they all suck from the same teat (alphabet agencies/MIC)

I see you haven't wasted a nano-calorie of brain power on this topic.

And onto another branch of that this is what the arts do for us. We actually have since the cave man era, a drive, need, physiology for story telling. And all part mediums are basically story telling. because it is the legacy to ourselves and those after us that we were here and we are all part of a greater whole. To pass down the very meaning ion those connections. Through the arts we connect as well. And impact one another in ways we cannot begin to comprehend. To mash it up into one, robs it of its foundations and this is clearly an anti human agenda.

you are talking about your experience of hormonal shifts, not some soul connection it will find a way to give you regular oxytocin rushes better than your wife, child and dog combined scary stuff, but we are just meat robots that can be easily hacked with a few right words and visuals

history of big differences and slow centralisation but what comes is different the same thing on bigger scale but changing it's quality because of scale and need of different operational level lucky elites aren't any smarter than average 😂 they just get born privileged and primed so we will invent way out as usually or some luck will revaluate everything probably leaving earth with be that ultimate point when new puritan ships gonna fly away saying screw you guys

Whenever anyone looks like they're straight from "central casting" for their "role"... they are.

And his published article along with these appearances he is on a propaganda mission that AI Tech all seem to be unified on, which is to say "hey, these LLMs are actually really dumb, no need to follow the "doomer hype". He's a huckster.

AI ia developed with ideological (woke) biasses and this is dangerous in itself.

Jaron believes in humanity because he doesn't spend much time around it. He is in a very different position and the people he meets each day are very different from Joe Schmo stealing your food from a refrigerator and then complaining that you use too spicy a mustard.

@@whitenoise4428 I'm a nurse and sorry but lost hope.

Your daughter will understand the actual words she speaks. Like if she learns what a cat is, pretty soon she will know how to distinguish a cat from something else, may do inferences like it is alive and is not a dog, etc. She might come up with a definition that is her own and not learned. She will also have probably a notion of truth, and the ethics that you have to tell true things, and she will reflect on her own opinions and knowledge and rearrange it so it's true and not some delusion. AI can't do any of that at this point. It does not even understand what an object it, or movement or feelings, so it also lacks material understanding. The day an AI can look at a thing, deduce it's essence and be curious about it, name it and understand it, then it might be intelligent, or on the way to it.

@@OneLine122, Except that we have no idea what it means to 'understand' except by its fruits. I will be able to tell that my daughter understands when she exhibits that she can use language thoughtfully and guide her actions by it, and there are already signs that AI can do that. ChatGPT (and other LLMs) can show quite sophisticated output that seem only performable if it can understand. And since 'understanding' is a subjective phenomena we can only KNOW from the inside, we aren't in much of a position to say that LLMs do not understand what they are doing. As for the stuff about morality and whatnot, if you really think about it, we humans get our moral senses from (a) our biological inheritance (i.e., our 'programming') and our cultural learning. Aren't those the same place that sophisticated LLMs and the AI we can imagine in the future get their senses of morality and truth from?

@@kevincurrie-knight3267 Your daughter won't be 3 for long.... Intelligence is built over time. Doing mechanical things has never been intelligence (like categorizing a word with one image), only IT folks and their marketing call it that. Intelligence is too vast a field to even summarize it in a paragraph.

Not sure if you know how LLMs work, but they use trial, error, and feedback to get better and "more intelligent " over time, just like how humans do. AI (via Deep Learning) has already done this so that it can win games of Go against elite players and detect patterns in medical data that no humans have ever detected. I'm at a loss of why we shouldn't be calling that SOME kind of intelligence... other than species bias.

@@tia904 thank you for speaking facts. In the words of Einstein who had the brain of a 12 year old by the time he died (Amazon) said: Information acquisition and regurgitation is not* intelligence or intellect. Intellect is not intelligence.

👍👍🔥

That's how art has always evolved , through copying styles, themes, compositions and it's just as hard to imposer copyright for humans. As long as you don't straight up copy/paste, it will always be hard to say who's guilty and to what degree. You don't need to sign up to be part of it , as long as your art is online, AI can look at it just like a human looking at it and deciding to mimic the style and add something of their own. And yes, it is AI , the collective information used is just part of the process, for AI to spit out the proper results , it does require intelligence.

@@cristiangaban960 As an artist "AI" art is a very bad copy. It uses other part work to steal style. And that is protected by international law*. As it should. Now if you look at AI robot ADA, she truly is an artist. Because the difference lies in: she takes references, copies the technique, and then mixes the techniques to create HER OWN technique. Not just copying and regurgitating techniques form references without consent. She creates her own style. It is quite amazing. If you see videos og her you will see what I mean. Quite remarkable and as a fellow artist I do have to say I knowledge the robot ada as an artist herself. Image generators that steal? no. Art is about expressing through your own perspective. Ada does this. Mensa for example does not. It imitates. Art is not imitation that just a basic mechanics to being an artist. But is is not what art and artistry is.

​@@Larindarr The only difference is AI doesn't invest feelings, doesn't pretend to be ''original''.Art styles developed with tens and hundreds of people copying each other and pushing things forward .Look at impressionism or cubism , it wasn't just one guy who had some original idea.Whatever you think art might be, when you want to sell it , it becomes commercial, a product. As for legality , you really need to look into it , copyright law is very complicated and technically AI doesn't do anything illegal.If a human artist would do what MidJourney does, you would need a heck of a lawyer to sue them and prove in a court of law , it's ''copying''.

me too, like those spy balloons, and no one said a word.....

I get what you're saying, but the last statement is a non sequitur - the underlying algorithm is simple thus the output must be weak. Humans are meat bags optimizing for inclusive genetic fitness, yet we've been to the moon, created nukes, built civilization etc etc

its far more sinister. This may be a strategy they are working for and under.

Wow, just straight up Jew hating, eh? Go back to 4 Chan already.

I think we need to actually look at the people we are NOT listening and who are modern slaves a swell. Who will die. AI will not starve bleed and die. AI can and should and MUST take the back seat where it belongs.

we have other masters AI must wait in line before we do order with these

If only they had grown the eff up and not be so egotistical. because they are so anti human literally. Then again not surprised. Most CEO's are sociopathic, most engineers and scientists are anti social (anti human values).

it's much deeper it's not new it's from human testing of everything new and unknown without thinking about consequences their digital lunacy can be avoided but the crap they try to do in reality is insane like editing genes and drugging our animals

artist builds craft and creates real things electric art is bullshit if it can be copied it has no value or universal value got for free

I reckon the coming US election season will be the breeding ground of confusing propaganda creatively crafted with the help of AI

@@iaraos779 Lost their reverence for Life and the relevance of "reality" in their life.

A pragmatist, he is not, otherwise he would be calling for the alignment issue to be solved BEFORE releasing even these LLMs to the public.

NO it is OUR responsibility to call him out on his bullshit and shout it from the rooftops. He IS out of touch with the real world and needs to be smacked and sat back down with reality form his wet dream.

that's to AI and it's computing being cheap it's the first this we get something in return for what they everyday steal from us all of these things can be copied and so are in reality of minimal value but artificially inflated in price because of monopolies and patent laws without short expiration we have ability to compete with them, but don't have anyone to collect funds to make commercial stuff open source they highjacked opensource even which became a cheap way to prop commerce without regular costs involved we lack a new Ford a guy producing what was already invented cheaply for low price with high output and gradual improvement and open sourcing everything that can help others compete with next monopolies decentralisation only won't solve most of problems as it's not universal solution for everything and paradox is we need to reclaim digital to get these sunk in digital to wake up from matrix

EXACTLY. And as the head of the European Parliament stated on the recent itnernational covid summit audit to vaccine companies and governments on the European Parliament said: "science demands and requires careful progress. Do no harm. It is the responsibility of scientists to stop research where the outcome is not known and can potentially be dangerous" and he mentioned "this goes for AI as well" s Italy has now banned AI. Spain and Greece are following suit.

Bingo. His bending over backwards to claim that he and Microsoft have an agreement where he can speak freely was a joke, so easy to see through. His article, this appearance, Stuart Russell's appearances (though he does a better job at feigning concern), Sam Altman's.........all are part of AI Tech's propaganda campaign to say "hey, just look how stupid and not dangerous these LLMs are". It's pathetically obvious.

finally some one says the truth.

mind is more than neurons even your gut and electric circuit is part of this thing and who knows more what we can't measure or notice yet we fkg didn't know even how many moons are in our solar system or what for were organs we regularly cut off from body as "nonrequired" we are the most brainless of generations to date

he is so full of himself. He needs to sit down and shut up. for real.

we lie to ourselves to justify ANYTHING

egoism and irrationality is at peak now egoism wasn't so bad when times were rational though plus food toxicity creating walking mental zombies

art got value when merchant class arised poor people do not care about art as they can't eat it artists can only exist on backs of middle class except if they are cheap poor people entertainers

Except it is a simplistic view as it gives cntrol opportuinities that our gvt was not intended to use, and deprives masses of people the chance to have a job. It is disingenuous to think that many will be able to understand, use or even add value in that situation.

not competitive but best survivable in their environment now we live in completely toxic conditions promoting toxic adaptations 😂

Totally, anything with Lanier I watch, except if it's an interview, they go off point, but she stays in a game of tag, that is not anal-retentive, even if a bit redundant.

With that bit of AI Tech Bro spin, you're the first in line of having been manipulated.

The most qualified people in this realm of technology who are sounding the alarm have no such illusions, so there goes that argument.

@@flickwtchr" appeal to authority " is a well worn fallacy