JBL Charge 4 in stereo - 2x Charge 4s v stereo pairs of Charge 3, flip 4, minirigs 

i hope i can keep it up 😜 the pressure is on! 👅

the flip 4 adds some lost high end, true :)

I did the same too

My flip 4 can not deal with the bass wend conected to the charge 4. Itacts like its faulty. Brr brr brr.

thanks! this never occurred to me! awesome advice 😛👍

search no more 😝

@@alanrossreviewsYes, I have to get up quite early in the morning! One last question, I came to know that HK onyx studio5 has got issue with lagging while watching a video or using RU-vid. Does any of these speakers have this sort of issue?

Oh boy 😭😭😭

we have moved on from the charge 4, not sure how much interest there would be in this. i only really spend time eqing where i can embed into the speaker itself.

Awesome, thank you!

TobiNather me to

Two charge 4

The bigger the bass the more amp it needs so always a trade off between bass and loudness. Have you heard the motion plus? Goes louder than x2 when on battery.

@@alanrossreviews No I haven't. Who makes the Motion Plus?

@@thomasfitzhugh7936 anker

@@alanrossreviews Thanx, I'll have 2 look into it.

thank you for the comment :) i will get a pair soon but what i know is the bi difference is the minirig 2 cuts its own bass when you plug in the sub while the minirig 3 doesnt, the sub just helps it go deeper. im not sure how this pans out in the real world other than they took the sub into account when designing the minirig 3 so it should still pair nice, eve though the sub is less than half the power of the main driver.

the main benefit is to get stereo.

against?

get 2 charge 4s. the charge 4 is louder and you must have same model speaker for stereo.

you really cant get anything from my videos listening back on the charge 3.

Stereo mode? Do you mean two charge 5s?

@@alanrossreviews I'm wondering which is a better option, having two charge 5s playing in stereo mode, or charge 5 + Xtreme 3 playing in partyboost? I'll lose the benefits of having left/right channel speaker if I chose the latter though

for me personally, 2 charge 3s in stereo is still my fav go to setup. So of course with the xtreme i still prefer the charge 3 over the flip 4 because the charge 3 fills the mids a bit against the xtreme 2.

Alan Ross Reviews thanks for the answer Alan! I also noticed that you’ve already put up another video about 2x charge-3s + 1x xtreme-2.

@@Nihatcangorgun yeah i try to cover all bases when i get a new speaker. but if you have other questions just let me know :)

x2 is altogether a bigger sound, 2xc4 cannot match 2x x2s

if you have one then a second will open up the sound nicely.

the problem will be latency

What do you mean ?

lip sync issues

thanks for the feedback :) yes if your main criteria is bass pounch and fuller bass it doesnt sound bad at all. only if you listen over a longer period does this become a bit tiring because its lacking in almost every other area. i did prefer the charge 4 over the charge 3 when i first heard it. but having spent longer with it for me the weaknesses are bigger than the plusses. if you just want better bass then the xtreme 2 is a better but offering more across the sound spectrum. if you want more clarity then charge 3 still wins. charge 4 handles vocals well but in the end for me its just too forward and tiring for along listen. great though if you want a decent bass punch on tracks and do not want a bigger speaker.

I prefer my 2.2 over anything I have owned that was portable. Not because 2.2 sounds great in low gain stereo mode but because I can use it in so many other ways. Low level listening, a single or 2 mini rigs in low gain has you covered, need party sound? 2.2 in high gain has you covered. Batteries last 4ever. The tradeoff is a very fiddly system that requires some patience to live with, not least charging 4 devices. It always sounds balanced and right for me. I rarely touch my x2 other than outdoors quick setup use.

Alan Ross Reviews good to know. I think i will start with a couple of minirig 2 and latter i will buy one or two subs. Do you think i am doing it wrong if i buy the 2 speakers in first place or it would be a better to start with just one minirig and a sub? The bass slam is very weak without a sub? Cheers

@@PedroOliveira1987 if by bass slam you peak vs extension then yes it lacks big peaks. it depends, i listen to the minirigs with no subs more than i thought i would. the sub will add body and let the minirig go louder so maybe if you value louder sound then 1 minirig and 1 sub is the way to go. if you play low to moderate then two minirigs in low gain mode still give a full body sound with decent extension into deeper bass.

@@alanrossreviews minirig 3 is out!!!.... :D 40 watts.... :D Any chance of a review and comparison with the minirig 2 sometime? Cheers m8... :)

​@@PedroOliveira1987oh yeah, minirig 3 vs 2?? for sure i am wanting that myself, just wont be for a few weeks till im back in working shape :) i did ask minirig if they would let me have a pair and they said......nothing....blanked me, so yeah, will be buying my own and ^&*% them :)

define more

x2 and c3

No it's too slow for continuous focus. Other wise it works well.

Thks if too slow can you use it to track a person's face in video mode? I suppose not. Do you know why so many users employ this combo, sigma 18-35mm and GH5 it seems to work very well in video mode incl tracking?

@@yttean98 most of them are using manual focus for video, forget any sort of auto fucus for video with that combo.

if i get a chance but i already covered it with party and stereo mode. for me charge 4 cant match the xtreme 2 for size of sound or body across the spectrum, it just matches in the bass region for punch but again not as deep. one charge 4 vs one xtreme 2 do you mean?

Alan Ross Reviews ok thanks, yes

you know that with three you can only connect in party mode right?

@@alanrossreviews yeah it’s all I can do since I upgraded both charge 3s to connect plus. I’m ok without the stereo. I was just thinking which other speaker would compliment the other two in party mode. I keep thinking charge 4 or xtreme 2.

@@donjuandemarco4115 id go xtreme 2 👍

@@alanrossreviews also just wanted to let you know I went back I to the JBL app and updated both my speakers to 7.6 and they brought back stereo. I have the option of party and stereo on connect+ with 2 charge 3s. JBL can be sour, but they can also be sweet. I was thinking of selling them for two charge 5s but now that they do stereo again I’m just gonna get the xtreme 2 for three speaker party mode.

deja vu! i think you already asked this? i would always prefer the option of having stereo.

Hahaha!

Hey so good news. You can actually play two flip 4’s in stereo with a charge 3 playing party. I don’t know why no one tried this but go in the connect app and just connect the two flip fours together into stereo.then leave the app(don’t close it) and press the connect plus button on the charge 3. The two flips will stay in stereo unless you stop the music.it sounds amazing but you have to go through the process every time the music stops

i love your comments 😛

ah thats a tough one. The charge 3 will have lower bass for movies while the flip will be clearer for dialogue. You will also likely have sync issues if streaming. Personally i would go with charge 3 as better all rounder but lack of clear highs could be an issue.

@@alanrossreviews thank you. I think I would go with charge3. Do you think it worth it to update to connect plus. I know you did a video about it but it was in 2017, I think there are some update in the app, anything changes since then?

@@rooneyviet what hasnt changed is the need to set stereo in the app in and everytime you startup the speakers. This is a big hassle. Thats what you have to ask, what is the benefit to you on connect plus against that?

Hey, software eq vs firmware embedded, 🤪

your sorted then!

i only use android, i do not go anywhere near apple jailhouse :)

You can only have party mode, you need same model speaker for stereo.

not for me, both bass heavy so not really complimenting each other. which one do you have now?

@@alanrossreviews got the charge 4 right now. Debating on a Xtreme2 or a Boombox. Is it even worth to play two different ones in party mode? Thanks for answering already :)

2x minirigs is a different league.

Alan Ross Reviews wow. Thanks

yes if you place them in stereo mode in the app.

Pl tell me about xtreme1+ charge 4?

@@bennymathew1653 you cannot play them together, flip 4 is connect plus, xtreme 1 isnt.

@@alanrossreviews thanks

do you prefer charge 3 or charge 4? remember you cannot do stereo with different mode speakers. xtreme gets you better bass and will pair with either charge 3 or 4 but only in party mode.

@@alanrossreviews it s really hard to choose, c4 is deeper for bass but tommorow i gonna test 2x c3 stereo mode and i will probobly change c4 for secound c3. I want to check if stereo mode is really working becuase c4 and c3 on party mode are ok but i hope stereo mode will be better. I think that perefect bass effect I can only reach on headphones ( btw, I never found wireless earphones with good bass ).

yes stereo really works but stereo pairing with jbl is the worst of any brand. you will need the app each and every time you start them.

are you using wired or bluetooth? consider the latency with bluetooth. if wired then of course must have speaker with aux. moves you need bass and clarity but clarity trumps bass otherwise you cant hear what they are saying.

@@alanrossreviews Thanks for the tip! Since JBL can't connect multiples while using aux (AFAIK) the plan is to send video from the laptop to the projector, and audio to the speakers via bluetooth (adding video latency on VLC to make up for audio latency) It seems to me that two Charge 3s might weirdly still be the better option for my scenario? Are we still able to make them stereo in 2020?

hum, depends how you value wide stereo which you can do with the charge 4s. I think id rather have the xtreme 2 though, more balanced.

Charge 4 easy to carry... And good bass to.. Cheap

i cant disagree with you :)

charge 3 if you want a bit more airy stereo and mids first, charge 4 if you want slightly boosted and bigger bass and more accurate overall, but still bass heavy. charge 3 is more laid back and works with any music, its inoffensive. harsh at high volume.

if you find low gain goes loud enough then i do prefer it over the 2x charge 3. my main issue is lack of waterproof so its harder to use it for bath/shower or by a pool if its gonna get well splashed.

on paper they are both 30 watts but reality is xtreme 2 is noticeably louder. i prefer the xtreme 2. if i want the xtreme 2 bass in a smaller package then its charge 4.

its not a full range , it has a big rolloff from mid to high, even more so in stereo. Its fuller in bass and lower mids.

you can with an android emulator.

indian! 😊 hi from UK.

to be honest, i cant even remember... 🤒

Sorry, was $122 00 us, forgot, I wanted the "squad" camo color so they got me for a few extra bucks! One might ask what is the point in camo on something that loud? That is a fair question!!! lol... Just looks cool to me I guess lol 😆

charge 4 and flip 5 have similar signature, thin bass peak but lowish and a big v shape to the sound. i dont use any app since i am never happy with the outcome, i only use eq if its embeddded. eq will help of course but its a band aid you can never remove. why not the motion plus or denon 250? even the xb33 will sound clearer but won't match that one note bass on the jbl speakers.

@@alanrossreviews thank you for your thoughts good Sir! You're channel is amazing, WELL DONE man! 😎🍀👍 So, after listening to quite a few of your reviews, seems I have more work to do 😀. To answer your question, why not the motion plus or denon? I'm a rank neophyte concerning Bluetooth speakers, kind of a "monkey see monkey do" 🐵 situation - lol. The "kids" we're over for back yard pool party, one with flip 3, another with Charge 4, liked the whole idea - they recommended the JBL's, the rest is history - lol. (The kid's are always the authorities in such matters - NOT! Grrrrrr) Moved too quickly before I found reviews. So, at this point, the pair of Charge 4 hitting my stoop tomorrow. My thought is what the heck, try them and see what I think! I'm now getting bogged down in reviews... What I'm noting in your contributions is that sound is quite subjective. A think a listen for myself can't hurt, eh? 😎👍 Your thoughts on non native eq's duly noted, permanent bandaids sound unhealthy at best! Gross 😜😂 I'm by no means rich, but, if I don't enjoy the JBL's, they would make a lovely Christmas present to my sweethearts son, he is ALL about bass. 😎 Intrigued by your other recommendations... Cheers and best wishes from Chicago, ILLINOIS, USA! Thanks so very much for taking time with me. May I ask where you hail from? FYI: Next project, mattresses! My honey has suffered through 5 back surgeries, I simply MUST find that dear woman something suitable. I think I saw you say you dabbled in such as well? 😀😀😀

@@johngavin1046 sound is as subjective as mattresses are :) but you still get some that are made to please the masses and are safe options. not only is sound subjective but what you find pleasing will change over time, in sound you learn to listen for certain aspects and find speakers that were fine last year sound awful this year. the bottom line is if you like how it sounds job done.

@@alanrossreviews Okay, okay, I couldn't take it, I cracked! Pair of motion plus on the way now too - lol... It appears I will be doing my own "Alan Ross" tests later this evening as both sets arrive today, that is what shippers say anyways 😎👍 I threw myself on the mercy of the court when Jan got home last night, the eye roll was rather pronounced - giggle. Thanks again good Sir - I'm really enjoying the chat with you by the way, good Man!!!

hi, i dont have the mini sorry, just the larger minirig v2.

@@alanrossreviews ok but have they released an updated firmware for the larger Minirig? Any differences when it comes to sound?

i prefer charge 3, charge 4 too boomy in stereo for me. charge 3 is more airy.

Thank you very much for the feedback. Subscribed :)

@@Gamerlingual good decision 😝

Well, I bought the Charge 3 and next I’ll get the anker soundcore motion+ thanks to your sample test and sound charts. You have the most educational videos in audio, we are lucky. Thank you kindly.

xtreme 1 better outdoors, x1 has louder peaks, x2 is louder across the frequency range.

@@alanrossreviews do you mean xtreme 2 louder overall? if i am will listen xtreme 2 with battery mode, it also be louder than xtreme 1? and on which volume xtreme 2 start lose the bass?

@@ОлегБевз-й3ц most people will say the xtreme 1 is louder because the actual peaks are stronger which is better for outdoor use. The xtreme 2 has a fuller sound, in terms of total energy the xtreme 2 is louder but for peak loudness xtreme 1 is louder.

charge 3 has fuller bass but the flip 4 tuning makes it sound a bit more punchy, but charge 3 goes deeper and fuller. if you just want best bass why not charge 4?

Alan Ross Reviews I can't affoct a charge 4 and I found a jbl flip 4 for 75€ and a charge 3 90€

And something else.Because I have a friend with jbl flip 4 I thought to buy the charge 3 for extra 25€ because I heard that these two are a great combination.But about a double flip 4?

@@mhtsos_taf1205 its a hard call, i like being able to play stereo but unless you have two models of the same type you cant do stereo. so 2 flip 4s give stereo, its nice, but charge 3 has better bass, fuller sound. flip 4 is more smiley face tuned which some people prefer but not me personally.

Alan Ross Reviews okay thanks alot Alan I will buy the charge 3

yeah i get what your saying, except i would have expected them to at least keep the line consistent, i.e. charge 3 was mid focused but the charge 4 throws that tuning away to go with the likes of the flip 4 and xtreme 2, and the mono driver that doesnt go as loud, for me thats the disappointment. While not calling the charge 4 bad for what it is, it just doesnt give anything other than better bass to owners of the charge 3. i get that its kinda throwaway brand for the young and lively but they are in danger of bluring the lines, other than actual size of speaker.

@@alanrossreviews I had more expectations from Charge 4 but I believe that Charge 3 owners will not change their speakers for Charge 4. When Charge 3 released, people liked it very much because of the nicer bass than many others have and still many people like it for sure...Young generation also likes loudness that Charge 4 not good at this as you mentioned.

​@@aktunav its going to come down to if they value bass over everything else. I cant get away from the fact that for the first 30 minutes of listening i thought it was decent upgrade, so much more impact for lower mids and bass over the charge 3. But after that the bass was too much and i realised the rest of the sound was muddied, not clear, no detail. So i get why some will think its a decent upgrade and others think its a fail. Ive gone off it more each time i listen and stereo pairing was a huge disappointment, even more bass heavy!

@@alanrossreviews after i bought Denon, i find myself listen Denon more than Vifa. Size and overall performance is really remarkable.

@@aktunav its great when things work out that well, bet you cant stop smiling :)

what?

apparently you don't understand what stereo means, separate them @@alanrossreviews

@@navaho5430 i guess you dont understand the difference between a recording and a picture. 👍

sorry you know, I've only worked in studios for 40 years

@@navaho5430 hardly answers my question. So far you havent made a single understandable point. Are you actually claiming that 40 years doing something or other in a studio has allowed you to magically discover that I have no idea what stereo is? come on, you want to sound like a professional or a troll?

because im not a DJ.

He plays it for you. 😂

You probably watched before it was fully processed by youtube

Alan Ross Reviews you are right. I hear the bass on 2x charge4 nicer than on xtreme2. I’m still thinking in buying 2 charge4 and 2 mini minirigs and play them in 2.2. 2 charge4 have tighter and more precise bass than the minirig sub.

@@migk2686 I wouldnt do this, it won't be balanced with charge 4s still playing all the spectrum. The charge 4 sounds tighter because it has a lean but strong bass, the mini rig sub gives more actual extension. Even without the sub the mini rig has more extension but without the powerfull peak around 65 hz on charge 4. The mini rigs will sound a bit slower yes but deeper.

Alan Ross Reviews the minirig has equalizer in its app, so I would adjust the sound.

ok, i didnt test it because i am using v2 and they said eq isnt working with v2 app.

well another charge 4 would make up for the mono to start with.

@@alanrossreviews I ordered a refurbished charge 3 to pair with my 4 after watching your videos. Do you think this was a good choice or should I cancel the order and obtain another 4?

@@dcseeley2 yes it will be ok but you wont ever have the option of stereo. make sure the charge 3 is latest firmware.

@@alanrossreviews Which combo is going to give me the best clarity, I want to bring out more of the higher notes

I thought I would let you know. I decided to get another charge 4 as well, to have options depending on environment and mood.

not bad, you already have the charge 3?

No i bought charge4 this week, but the voice is disappointed me. Hi

hum, i might be tempted to say sony given the limitations of the charge 4 outside of being bass heavy with good impact.

Alan Ross Reviews what if it's bass I Like? 😋 I also have a charge 3 which I could pair together but when out and about I would just bring one with me. How much difference is there between the 30 and the charge 4? Apart from price.😉

@@tomh1146 i think i would go with the sony overall, but if you will want to pair them then its the charge 4. it really comes down to your personal use. since you mention you would pair them then go charge 4.

Alan Ross Reviews Is there a considerable difference between the c4 and 30? I will pair them but the 30 is £85 and the c4 is £160 quite a bit of difference. I like the sound of the charge 3 I just would like a bit more bass. There are so many different opinions everywhere it's hard to pick.🤔

Alan Ross Reviews Just found the xtreme 1 for £150 and the xtreme 2 for £210, don't know whether to go for one of them instead not as portable but o well, they are cheap. Or maybe a dockin d fine. Still want a C4 but at £160 the on sale xtreme 2 ain't far off.

Yes I agree except for what it is. A bass heavy small go anywhere package it doesn't sound bad at all. It's just its not much use for anything else.

True , non of the speaker's mentioned sound bad (maybe the BOSE) I'm expecting too much really, thinking of a pair of B&O P6's, as cant find anything else that hits the markers, would still prefer a flatter signature and better battery life . Pity Teufel don't produce a BT speaker that is in-between the Boomster & Bamster Pro, :) I know the names are silly in English, but the sound signature is right on point...

does the app help at all to tame the bass?

For the P6 no, for the XB41 yes

ok, thats a pity.