I have a Sahara 4XE, and it's been great. It was $56K with popular options, and I got a $2300 discount plus the $7500 tax incentive. I have gotten as many as 31 miles in all-electric, and I average 26-27. I take enough shorter trips that I've averaged right at 30 mpg overall over the last 3,500 miles. For me, that's quite a win. I don't regret this purchase in any way.
@@savagegeese I did a lease. First down, 48/12K, and it’s $460/mo. Residual is $33K, so it’s an easy sell at the end. I didn’t trust everything well enough for a purchase, but it’s been great thus far. I planned to purchase the new Ford Lightening, but the charging network and experience isn’t quite where I want it to be vs. Tesla to make that jump yet. Tesla is still a generation ahead in that regard.
Leasing is the way to go with these. Leased a 67k msrp Rubicon 4xe for 500/ a month. If you want a regular Rubicon that’s going to cost you 700+ to lease in today’s market
@Frugal Family Living on a small scale, when small amount of ppl have evs. What happens if 300 million people plug in their car at the same time ? Building the infrastructure and spending billions for that just invalidates all the "eco" things you'd want to accomplish. But I hope Im wrong, I just cant trust the government and politicians when forcing something anymore.
@Frugal Family Living True. It’s also easier upgrading and maintaining one giant generator at the plant as opposed to millions of separate engines on vehicles.
@@defyyourlogic487 Getting dad to charge up those batteries all Thursday night for roughly 12 minutes of rolling on level cement. Or getting stuck on something lol.
Smith and Sniff Podcast (Jonny Smith of Fifth Gear fame and Richard Porter of Top Gear not-so-famous-but-in-the-background) have made a running joke abotu Stellantis sounding like a early 00's DJ or dance act :P DJ Stellantis in the house! :D
FINALLY a reviewer mentions that you have to make a certain amount of money to get the full $7500 tax rebate. Every other review I've ever seen mention the federal tax rebate does not make this point.... It's not just a free $7500 for everyone. Excellent and transparent journalism here!
As an actual owner of a Rubicon 4xe a few points. 1. You really have to lol at what type of commuting your doing. We do lots of short quick 10-30. Ike trips. Sometime multiple times a day. Since getting the vehicle in early June we are averaging 39.8 mpg. We have another PHEV so we do have a Level 2 charger and you can charge the battery from 1% to 70% in about 1 hour. Full charge is right around 2 hours, but it trickle charges towards the end. 2. Price. There are many Jeep dealers who charge 10-12% off MSRP if you order one. Which is what I did. From the day the dealer placed my order to delivery at the dealer was exactly 28 days. Obviously it could be longer or shorter, but this it typical for most Wrangler orders (30 days or less). 3. Check your state but there are typically state and federal rebates. After the dealer discount and factoring in the rebates I’m at $43K with w pretty loaded Rubicon 4xe. The 4xe is not perfect but for the money the Bronco didn’t make sense to me. I off-road too, but my kids love the Jeep.
Waiting til' 2023 for a 2021 Bronco didn't make sense to me, so my 4xe is on order. I get why people who might have long commutes or live out in the country might not get it. But it's funny that people who would ordinarily consider adding a blower to the pentastar, or tune the 2L and maybe add a bigger aftermarket turbo(both options that would cost thousands of dollars and have potential for serious reliability issues), look right past a 4xe, which does the same thing and straps a 10 year warranty to the power adder. And lets you drive around without the engine running at all.
I leased a 4xe Rubicon. $60k sticker, taxes and fees down, $420/mo for 3/36k. In my mind you can’t beat that. 95% of days I drive less than 20 miles; for the other days (trips to my cabin in the woods) the gas engine works great. You can talk all day about whether the Bronco is better or worse, but unless you ordered a year ago or more, or are willing to pay out the ass for a markup, you’re not getting a Bronco for at least a year. At the end of my 3 year lease I’ll drive both and make a choice; for right now the 4xe makes all the sense in the world for me. And silent off-roading to use while hunting is awesome.
@@rxa177 Dude, he’s right. Think of what he’s got for $420/mo. As he says, 95% of the time he doesnt buy gas, and doesnt have to waste time every few days in a gas station. It’s a Rubicon, so it can go places only a few other vehicles can go at any price. It also seats 5, including their luggage. And it doesnt get stuck in snow or mud, AND, it’s also a fucking convertible, AND you can take the doors off if you like. AND it’s sub 6 seconds to 60, which is fast. I challenge you to name a vehicle more multitalented than that.
I hope Jeep keeps their front axles, whatever they decide. It is iconic and it would be cool to see how they engineer around it (referring to its deficiencies for on road use).
That shouldn't be a problem unless they decide to make it one, don't see why they couldn't just stick an electric motor directly onto each differential, and just use the diff as the reduction gearing for the motor, and then just get rid of the driveshafts entirely. Engineering-wise, if you have driveshafts on an electrified vehicle, you gotta go right back to the drawing board and start again, because you done' fucked up. Just looking at the cutaway of this model it goes to show that Fiat Chrysler is still struggling to figure out how to make hybrids and EVs, they are just sort of slapping power electronics onto their existing drivetrain and adding a bunch of weight and parasitic efficiency losses, and it really shows since this thing manages to get worse fuel economy than the 4banger Wrangler, and the electric-only mode has the worst efficiency of any electric vehicle.
@@0hypnotoad0 I don’t think the Wrangler shows Jeep ‘struggling’ to make hybrids, it’s just that the Wrangler platform is hard to turn into a PHEV. Not only is there not a lot of room for a motor and batteries (it wasn’t really designed to be a hybrid) but they don’t have the luxury of mounting the batteries low like other manufacturers because they need to retain the same off-road clearance. Jeep could easily solve all the packaging issues by designing a ground-up platform specifically for EV powertrains, and they’re probably doing that right now. But this is the best they can do with this platform without limiting its capabilities.
@@matthewp9015 It shouldn't be that difficult, though. The problem is that they left the full size driveshafts in the drivetrain, even though driveshafts are almost completely pointless in EVs where motors are basically the size of a coffee can and not much heavier than the differential. This was literally a case of Jeep buying a bunch of off-the-shelf EV parts and shoehorning them into their ICE powertrain, that's basically why the range and fuel economy are so bad.
@@0hypnotoad0 well they had to keep the full-size driveshafts, because this is only a PHEV. If the battery runs flat, it’s running on the ICE alone - so it needs regular D/S’s to allow it to still have 4WD. You can only eliminate those driveshafts when you throw out the ICE…
There are already solid axles with integrated electric motors for very easy swaps intended for rear pickup truck axles but I'm sure this could be made for front axles too. The production EV Wrangler will likely not be like the Magneto concept though. Currently all EV pickups have fully independent suspension all around.
Ahhh Finally, stock jeep found their true audience, fast food drive through, high school parking lots, costco runs, fancy car wash drive through, and the house parking space
I’ve been finding it hard to sleep lately from stress, and these videos have been amazing to just put on the iPad in bed until I drift off. I always end up out in the shop segment, even though they’re my favorite. Love this channel, keep up the great work
I hate Jeeps but the lease deals on the 4xe are insane enough that I might need to get one. My work is 3 miles away and my second family is only 6 miles away.
Ok Ford, now we need a PowerBoost Bronco pickup. I became a motorcycle fan when Kawasaki responded to the Hyabusa with the ZX-14, basically looking Suzuki straight in the eye and saying, “No matter what you do, we will make a faster bike”.
Foolish for public road use, where they were already faster than needed or safe. More more more speaks to people who can't handle what they already have and think it's someone else's burden to make their life better. Now if you want to talk about the race track, nothing can be done to make this Jeep a contender on a race track, except revert back to all ICE or all EV power.
@@jimglass1161 the hardcore jeep fans aren't buying Wranglers newer then the TJ generation (or xj). The E46 M3 of wranglers..... Only brand cultists, superficial folks, and upper class Midwest mom's that don't want to look lame in a van are gonna buy any new wrangler....... There is no short supply of these folks.
@@MiguelGarcia-vj7oo ...no joke on the "midwest mom". There are so many naked wranglers running around our quaint Ohio town, you'd think you were at a nudist beach...Wranglers are everywhere. Most of the time it is just her in the vehicle. Although I have seen a few dads and kids in seats tooling around (mom must have been running errands in her Wrangler at that time)....
...why, they will all pile into one vehicle, drive it till it out of juice, then get in the next one; rinse and repeat. why use you stuff when you can use someone else's
What a great video. Great thoughts. Love how you do the production. Great video, sound and editing. The part where it is stated that it gets worse MPG than the regular 4 cylinder is based on the EPA rating. Those of us that have had them for a while are getting better gas mileage when running in hybrid than regular 4 cylinder Jeep Wranglers. A lot of us are seeing more like 24 to 26+ electric miles. That doesn’t seem like a lot but I’ve been able to get 1200 miles on a single tank of gas. Right now, I have 130 electric miles and 6 hybrid miles on my trip odometer. Depending on your daily needs, that electric range can go a long way. I’ve done over 100 miles in a day doing errands and charging in between. Side note: In the Jeep product launches in North America and Europe both pronounced 4XE “4 by E” not “4 ex E”. 4X4 became 4XE so it’s BY not EX.
@@billgarci well no wonder. I own the v10 motorhead ( I bought some more dyson cleaning attachments seperately with it) and it's the best vac I've ever owned and the only vac I need. I use it to clean the house - top to bottom and to do other small jobs as well as car cleaning. U need to upgrade big time bro. Get the v15 if u can or even the plus version of it
I like this format for something you've reviewed before with a different major change such as a non exciting drivetrain change. Top notch filming as always
Man your product glamour shots at the beginning are crisp, clean with beautiful color. I know I’m not supposed to notice, but the quality deserves recognition. The quality of the content is a given. FYI not in the market for a Jeep but I’m interested in an intelligent take on the 4Xe.
"If you're just making short trips, to work and back, this makes a lot of sense" - except, why, then, would you be driving a Wrangler? A 5,000-pound, $55,000 Wrangler?
@@tomdrummy4984 This also applies to the majority of sports car owners I know.... they're rarely driving enthusiasts. They'll never go on a track day; hell most don't even go out for spirited drives with any frequency. They like the way it looks, maybe the way it sounds, and primarily the image it projects. I don't fault people for these things... at some point you realize there's no gain in caring if someone bought a vehicle for a "vapid" reason. Meanwhile if you're an actual enthusiast these are the people you rely on so there's enough demand to even offer those vehicles you care about.
One of my friends with two growing kids and not a ton of room in the budget is obsessing about getting a Jeep. As an only vehicle, I do not think it will work, especially if she has to commute. Oh, and it's one of those where she says "a Jeep", but we know it's a Wrangler. I am trying to convince her to look at something like a Cherokee if it has to be "a Jeep" but don't have high hopes. I highly doubt she is going off-roading in this Jeep but probably likes the idea of owning one.
@@ARentz07 Truly what are you worried about? It has 4 doors, decent room for all passengers, probably enough space in the back for for she needs. Sure it lacks some safety features but humanity survived to this point for decades without those. If it makes her happy what's the problem? If she test drives it and doesn't run away then why not go for it? And if she doesn't like it well guess what.... Wranglers have some of the best resale value in the entire market.
There's some misconception about price when it comes to Bronco with Sasquatch versus Wrangler Rubicon. It's about a $4K price difference between a base Bronco+Sasquatch versus a Wrangler Rubicon. About $38K vs $42K. You don't have to pay $50K+ for a Rubicon; those ones are all additional items. A "no options" Rubicon is basically a Sport S interior but with the off-road extras. It doesn't force you into a ton of luxury items, but they're available if you want them. Also; Sasquatch does not come with the disconnecting sway bar.... that requires you choose the Bad Lands trim. That feature is very important if you're concerned about off-road ability, without it the Bronco just can't articulate all that well.
Even with the sway bar disconnect, it doesnt appear the Bronco can flex as much as the Jeep (Ford claims to get more flex). It all boils down to needs and look preferences. Those that really off road or really appreciate greater ability off road are going to stick with the Wrangler because of the solid axle in the front. I suspect we are going to see a lot of front axle swaps on the Broncos in the future to make them more like a Wrangler, and that is a HUGE expense.
Car And Driver tested this vehicle. It retailed for $63k, and managed 16mpg on their test loop. I am amazed at Stellantis's ability to build a hybrid that is in most cases less efficient than the pure gas/diesel variant, pure engineering excellence!
@Ryler Its a plug-in-hybrid. All plug-in hybrids are less efficient on long loops. There have been multiple tests by multiple groups confirming that plug-ins are less efficient unless you actually plug them in and go on short trips. Don't buy a plug-in hybrid unless its primarily going to be your grocery getter around town. Lots of Wranglers are exactly that. Many people buy them for the image as they go shopping around town. So a plug-in Wrangler makes perfect sense for those kinds of customers that mostly use them around town.
@@nolij7765 So like most wranglers as long as all the shopping malls that you're visiting are within the 20-mi range, I guess it would work for you. It just seems like a stupid vehicle to me because if you're going off-roading you're probably going farther than 20 miles to get to a trail, and if you're using it around town there are infinitely better options. It's just a compromised vehicle with no real upside for 95% of users compared to its gasoline only equivalent.
@@Coasterteen22 In you're world you're talking about buying two vehicles to accomplish what can be done by one. Hybrid jeep goes to the grocery store for pennies and still gets out on the trails with the same MPG as my tacoma.
@@Coasterteen22 I think you'd be surprised how little most people drive. The average American only drives 29 miles a day so that means 50% of people drive less than 29 miles a day which puts them in the very practical and efficient range of a plug-in hybrid for most their driving and would overall be way more fuel efficient than a gas/diesel version. www.bts.gov/statistical-products/surveys/national-household-travel-survey-daily-travel-quick-facts
One of the only fun cars out there and you can sell it for nearly what you paid for it 5 years later. Saves you way more than any other suv because of that
Ford Raptor,Ram TRX,Toyota 4 runner, Toyota Tacoma, Toyota Supra, Mustang GT350 and GT500,Hellcats, Zl1 Cameros, Toyota Land Cruiser, Subaru STI,911 Porsches,Ford Bronco, all 3/4 and 1 ton diesels trucks, all these cars and trucks plus more are fun with great resale too.
Well, no surprise there. I really didn't expect a plug-in hybrid to be a Bronco buster. I'd rather drive a compact Mitsubishi. And the next Range Rover is probably gonna be called Range Extender.
One observation. Because of the centrally low mounted and heavy battery, it feels more planted on road than other JLs. As someone who teleworks, I’ve been able to go totally electric with it in town, used the gas for a few outdoor trips.
I like the 4xe a lot, I'm hoping to get one soon, but it's gonna be a lease. I agree that the tech is gonna be changing quickly so I like the idea of giving it back in 3 years and then getting the next upgraded version... however the next one might be too difficult to swing if they kill off the tax credit. Guess I better start buying lottery tickets now...
People talk about the battery dying in 10 years and it costing 10 billion dollars to replace... you know... cuz capacities on other batteries haven't increased massively since 2012, and prices per kwh haven't decreased.../s
@@andoniades My mistake. So many people don't click the right reply button that I stop assuming people are doing it right. - Really bothering me. (Plus, I am getting notifications for stuff not addressed to me that I cannot turn off without turning off addressed stuff. The whole system is a total usability mess.)
@@Dowlphin it's all gud. In fact, I thought more about the main comment and kinda understand what she's getting at. Solid front axle vehicles have been synonymous with heavy, fuel-chugging vehicles. Hybrids are viewed as light, fuel-sparing eco cars (eventhough some cities have hybrid buses). So I can see how someone can view that as a paradox.
All the jokes aside, I love the idea of having an off-road capable vehicle that also doesn't get 15mpg with 33s (looking at you Tacoma). We're talking about taking my commute bill and moving the decimal one place to the better. The real question is, when and what will Bronco do for a hybrid?
@@rogersmj there’s a lot of news on the bronco hybrid with potential test mules and anonymous sources, not to mention Jim Hackett, Ford CEO already confirming a hybrid bronco. The question will be, when and in what form rather than if I think.
I've got a JL Unlimited Rubicon on 35s with the 2L + eTorque. We drove it from Seattle to Moab where it got mid 20s for fuel economy. It did great on the nearly 3000 mile trip, and it did fantastic on the rocks.
@@davidmccarthy6061 because I’m not buying a commuter car and a camping vehicle. I have an 18 Tacoma now and it’s got 40,000 work miles on it and 10,000 fun miles. Wish the numbers were reversed, but my wife isn’t going to let me have a track car, an off-road vehicle, AND a commuter.
Thank you for telling the truth on the $7500 tax rebate. So many auto journalists (TFL) say you just take it off the MSRP. The only way average Joe can take advantage of the rebate is to buy the car in January and change your Federal tax liability to exempt for the rest of the year. Then you will probably break even at tax time.
...for people who like to lease $50k+ vehicles....which there are a lot of people out there that apparently like to lease $50k+ vehicles. I wonder how many pick-up trucks are leased vs actual owning when the payments are done...
I think Jeep would have gotten a _lot_ more enthusiasm had they made an all-electric version instead. A thorough revision is what this vehicle needs to make full use of its electric drivetrain, like what Ford did with the F150 Lightning.
It’s really supposed to be used together as a hybrid system rather than just ev mode. I have the v6 in my gladiator and the 4xe is much much faster. And the for off-roading the instant torque is great especially for technical trails. The ev only mode can be used on road.
There’s a lot of trips that don’t use half that mileage. If I run to the grocer, that’s like 6 miles round trip. Most people commute less than 20 miles to work, and a lot of those people can recharge at work.
@@rightwingsafetysquad9872 agreed. Most trips I take around town are less than the 20 miles. I like the hybrid instead of full electric because charging a Tesla on a road trip sucks.
For people who live in cities or smaller urban areas, 20 miles is enough for almost all errands and many commutes. It's also a hybrid the rest of the time, with improved performance relative to the turbo-four. The negatives are price and weight, but for many those are no big deal.
Here in Quebec, EV and Plug-in Hybrids are very popular. Our electricity is clean and cheap plus we have incentives from government to buy greener vehicles. Not everything is made only for the US market.
Not sure why ppl seem to think that base Wrangler models (Sport) cannot offroad. All Wranglers can offroad very well without any after market additions.
I have one of these on order that I’m going to lease. Got a great deal plus the tax credit. BUT, it makes sense for my use case. I have a short work commute, and putter around town and in the Tampa area most of the time. Not a lot of highway driving either. With overnight charging, this makes sense for me. But it clearly will not make sense for others with different driving distances and needs
Love the looks and lifestyle sold on brochure, but owning one is like being in a toxic relationship that's difficult to walk away from. You pay her rent with $600 monthly deposits while she is away from home every other week, being worked on by another man who is diagnosing her new problems and fixing engine mounts that went bad at 14k miles.
I’m a die hard gearhead, just like all of you. But last fall I bought a used Chevy Bolt EV. I gotta be honest; electric is just plain better. It pains me to say it, but it’s true. Every metric is better except the noise in an EV. One pedal driving is a game changer. So, this is a jeep where every spec is better, except noise. What’s not to like about that? This, with a bigger battery, might be the most versatile car ever built. It’s a station wagon, it’s an off road monster, it’s a commuter, it’s also a convertible that seats 5 and their luggage, if electric it’s also a dragster.
You are by definition not a die-hard gearhead. (EDIT: OK, maybe if we distinguish with petrolhead. The die-hard gearheads of the future will probably be very different than today.) Then again, your "but" kinda implies you yourself interpret the word against your actions. A "but" negates the "die-hard". (Unless you are actually in the hard dying phase now, hah.)
It also has 3 times the complication for a 20 mile range. Gas motor, traditional transmission, eletric motors and battery pack along with cooling system and electronics. How is this better?
@@savagegeese Let me clarify. An electric Jeep is/will be a fantastic vehicle. Yes, I agree this hybrid thing is an intermediary stage. Great to use, not so great to buy or maintain. But let me hip you to something. This range anxiety thing is a temporary thing. Through ownership of an EV, I have found that range is a non-issue. 100 miles would be plenty, because current dc fast charging will get you another hundred in the time it takes to drop a deuce at Arby’s. You may have missed the DCFC spec on the current Taycan and upcoming Hummer - 100 miles in under 10 minutes. DCFC isnt available everywhere, but it’s a minor tweek to an existing level 2 charger. Presenting a customer with a choice of an EV that had 300 miles of range, or one with 100 miles seems like a no-brainer…until you consider that the smaller pack will weigh 600lbs less, and cost $10,000-$15,000 less. We see this already with Tesla and the Mache. The pricing is tiered based on battery size/range. An all electric Wrangler with 100 miles of range would be completely amazeballs. Chrysler may fuck that up…because…you know…Chrysler. But that electric future is nothing to fear. It’s just better. Fun fact: if you look it up, you’ll find that the Chevy Bolt econobox turd bubble is as fast 0-60 as….wait for it…1970 Hemi Cuda. Think about that for a moment. Ponder it. Chew on it.
What an amazing ownership experience this is going to be! Legendary Chrysler quality with Italian and French hastily bolt on electrics and electronics.
Back in World War II, Ford was responsible for making the Jeep practical, and for giving it it's boxy look with the iconic flat grille with 9 slots. At the end of the war, Willys trademarked the 7 slot grille and grille. I point this out since you all were saying "Jeep was doing this for 100 years" and "Ford was copying them".
FORD had nothing to do with making the jeep practical. In fact as I explain below they lost out on the bid. Willy's was the first on the scene not that this matters since this was during pre production and not a full out Military contract. After pre-production the Military put a bid out. Williy's, Bantam and FORD all submitted their pre-production vehicles. Willy's ultimately was selected, thus they won the Contract. Yes Ford had created a 9 slot Grill, so what? It's the Willy's design and their carryover that made the brand what it is today, not FORD. Willy's even licensed the production of the Jeep to FORD during the war due to the possible
The 4Xe is a "here and now" product and one that is all about leasing today. Turn it in in 3 years and move on to something else. In a time where most vehicles are overpriced because of supply crunch, that $7,500 credit applied to the lease has huge impact and leases are very affordable for these. Plus they actually have been in stock.
It's the sales model most major car companies are shifting to. Sell fewer vehicles with a higher price to those people whose life has given them more money than sense. Called Whaling.
...there are no "parking lot points" with a Fiesta. You won't talk about your Fiesta in the breakroom or at the urinal...the Jeep on the otherhand; everyone in the office will know what you drive and the MPG you got on the last fill-up. The Wrangler has to have replaced the Mustang as the "middle management" car of choice because I see more Wranglers than Mustangs....
Dear savegegeese, like some of us here even mentioned, your cinematography is absolutely stunning! It is rare to have a car reviewer who would invest on an equipment and shoots stunning details just for a car review channel. Would you mind share with us what sort of camera equipment you used to make such cinematic yet seemingly humble car review videos? Perhaps do an episode and share with your how your videography workflow looks like. That would be educational. Cheers!
Good luck with getting a Bronco for $40g especially with all the production delays and issues that I am seeing from owners, The Bronco is nice but it has some serious flaws as well like cowl shake and a god awful sound system, hardtops that are rattling or missing the sound deadening on half the top, soft tops wearing through and tearing through just weeks after taking ownership. Jeep gives you lots of options engine choices whether it is the 2.0l,3.6l,3.0l Diesel and the 6.4l then the aftermarket support for the Jeep takes that platform to another level all together, The Bronco is in its infancy right now. Ford introduced the Bronco concept back in 2004 so it has taken them 14 years to develop a package to somewhat compete against the Wrangler. The Bronco forte will be the people who like a smooth in town ride and the desert environment and want to play out on the sand dunes and have fun...Jeeps are smaller and more nimble out on the trails and when the trail gets more demanding the solid front axle is the only way to go IMHO. The Bronco is the new kid on the block. As for the comment about Stellantis having a identity crisis I don't believe there is one granted PSA is looking at what works for the US Market and change is good sometimes you need a new set of eyes to really see where they can take the company as a whole..... I've been a Mopar loyalist for 35 years and never once have I had a bad product from them.... Only time we've had a identity crisis was in the Daimler/Chrysler Cerberus days
The “nice but serious flaws” extends to Jeep as well. Unless you’re spending some serious money on a Jeep, you’re getting an awful interior full of plastic from the Daimler days, and the majority of those power trains are trash. Yes there are some good power trains and the aftermarket support is strong and those are positives, but let’s not pretend like it’s a good modern vehicle. It’s an outdated, uncomfortable, loud, poorly made, wonderful off-road machine.
@@vitaly6312 everything you said literally describes the bronco the interior of the jeep has better materials than the Bronco you obviously haven't seen the bronco in person or watched reviews about the interior only good thing in the bronco is the seats everything else is really poor quality
Just can't imagine the additional electronics holding together well if it's taken offroad much. But this version won't- it'll be a Starbucks drive thru queen.
It's not any different from the other Wranglers, aside from the 6.4L V8. Same interiors, same exterior (aside from the 392 badges), same off-road options, etc.
I certainly understand the push for EV and hybrid but I'd like to see what the actual environmental impact is of these vehicles. From the grid-energy used to charge, to the manufacturing of the battery (And mining of the raw materials) and other components, as well as the need to replace the batteries I would be rather shocked if they actually had less of an environmental impact than a traditional ICE vehicle, that when well-built and maintained can last quite a while.
Nah. The 392 is the most pointless. It's not a performance truck. It's not a prerunner. It's a rock crawler. Why do you need the v8? A raptor or a trx makes sense. This? No way.
Stellantis has never had the plot. In Europe alone you have Citroen, Peugeot, Opel, and Fiat selling to very overlapping audiences. DS is only selling semi well in France, and even then Peugeot keeps creeping a teeny tiny bit into that luxury market with their newest products. Dodge is just shoving the Hellcat into everything instead of making marketable core products. Chrysler is almost as dead as Lancia at this point, and Maserati can only be described as embarrassing. And Alfa Romeo swallowed up a lot of resources only to flop yet again. The only things keeping this bloated Frankenstein of a company somewhat afloat is Ferrari, and to an extent Jeep. For how long? Who knows. Only thing I know, the plot was never there.
@@556johny556 "The only things keeping this bloated Frankenstein of a company somewhat afloat is Ferrari" -- Chrysler minivans (Pacifica, Voyager) sell well in the US, but I understand that's not a Europe thing.
The Jeep Wrangler 4dr starts at $60k USD in my country, so this model would put it in the price range of a top model LC Prado, the Range Rover Evoque, Discovery Sport. Imagine being in the USA and paying more for this model than a Lincoln Navigator.
@@lanceislateagain no it wouldn't kill it. Most buyers dont take their wranglers off road. So a switch to IFS would be a welcome change to most. Let the Rubicon and special edition guys have their solid front axels.
@@Turshin that would be the same as saying the Porsche 911 should just be front-engine, rear-wheel drive, because most buyers aren't gonna whip it out on a track. The solid axles make the Wrangler unique, for however / whatever value that has. If it goes IFS, it dies, simply because it's gonna try to be just like everything else, when everything else has had decades of experience having IFS. You will then have a Wrangler that satisfies no one. Having solid axles as an option is difficult (not impossible), from a cost perspective. The Wrangler already shares its platform and architecture with no other vehicle (except perhaps the Gladiator, but AFAIK, even that was more Ram than Wrangler), so no other vehicle can be used to distribute costs.
...Marty, something has got to be done with the pricing... Mrs. test drove her dream Wrangler/Gladiator and walked away sad. She compared it to sitting in an airplane w/the lack of elbow/wiggle room. I also kept hitting the armrest each time I turned the wheel. We're not "Jack" sizes people, but we still didn't have much elbow/arm room and the space inside felt confining. She like the Grand Cherokee much better. Sadly, this vehicle is too much about a "lifestyle", much like designer handbag stores and not about much of anything else.
Now how about a Gladiator hybrid single cab with a 6 ft bed, Jeep might actually have me interested then. Oh yeah, manual windows too, saves the watts. I will sacrifice range for some heat seaters though.
I so wanted to lease on last month. Jeep had a lease special on Sahara 4xe for $2999 down and $309/month. 0 available in Louisiana, none of Texas, Mississippi, Alabama dealers who had them in stock wanted to lease it at price saying we are not a participating dealer. What a shame. Got a Highlander Hybrid, like it so far.
I have had the same experience here in NY. I have been to several dealers and eventually gave up because every single dealer says "they don't lease well" and "you would have to balloon it, we don't finance Wranglers." I assume it has to do with people trashing or modifying them before they are paid off or while they are leasing the car, but I don't agree with the practice. The lowest lease number I was able to get was over 500 a month for 36 months on a Wrangler Sport S that cost about 40k. I told them that's insanity and I would never lease a car for that long. I ended up with a significantly more expensive (around $54k) Volvo with way more features and performance for a lower monthly lease payment: $399 a month for 24 months AND it offered more yearly miles at 12,000 vs the Jeep's 10,000. I could never bring myself to spend that much on such a compromised vehicle that on top of sucking on road and being expensive also requires you to add basic features like heated seats, LED lights, or navigation as an option for extra cost even on higher trims. These options are standard on many other SUVs. It blows my mind that I, as a 20 year old, was able to get a luxury car as my first vehicle because a Jeep SUV was somehow more expensive. I even bought it and now own it totally paid off now and would never go back to playing Jeep's dealership games.
@@ajman174 Wow, we were in the same boat I guess. I so wanted to give Jeep a shot but not paying the money they wanted. 3 weeks of hundreds of phone calls and emails later, I too decided to give up.
I'm curious if this will be flat towable? The motorhome market may like these if so - recharge it at the campground you're paying a fee for anyway and use it for those short trips to town where you don't want to put in the slides and pack up the lawn furniture.
The day of reckoning is here. Bronco is amazing. Now if the 3rd party support is where it needs to be for Bronco, Jeep look out. Jeep always has been make it your own. The history is long, and the fan base huge. I grew up around both as a kid. Now we keep Jeep honest since it isn't all theirs anymore. It needed to happen, and great times for us. Choice is now really on the table. Jeep better think out of the box on this one, as Ford will not rest or relent. New management above Jeep better see this. I am not a fan of FCA management and not sure what they have now is much better. We'll see. Ford is far from perfect too, but Bronco is here and the big guns at Ford want that 4x4 pie Jeep has had for a long time. 5 years from now? Who knows? Maybe Bronco will be King! For sure we got a fight in the dirt,and on the street, that is for sure. I love it!
I wish they put the 4xe drivetrain in the Willys edition. There should be another option between the expensive and hardcore Rubicon and the paved-road-only Sahara. I don’t understand why anyone would want a vehicle like a Jeep with big rims and low-profile street tires. You just get all of the disadvantages of the Jeep with none of the off road capabilities.
Aside from a Hugely inflated price tag. Stellantis I think has the potential to keep some of their V8's if they electrify the rest of their lineup. Their SUV would work pretty good for it and they could push a campaign for more electric stations.
I really love the idea of Jeep going toe to toe with Land Rover but transitioning faster with the Wrangler, making it what the Defender should of been. The Wagoneer could go direct with a Full Fat Range Rover … both with better EV and if (a big if) they sort quality. Here’s hoping
Seems all miss the main point no other car can touch. Remove the doors, the roof panels, AND lower the Windshield DOWN. Then take it slow on a dirt backcountry trail, up and down hills, ravines, trees, in low range over rough terrain. It is like hiking, open air, clear view without windshield glare. That is the trup Jeep Wrangler experience. More so with older than JL series as you do not have the frame... but still nothing better than no windshield to enjoy the outdoors experience.
