@@Teamoneilrally I watched your review of the Tacoma and you mentioned it struggled... not as much as me watching that video. I own both a Rubicon and a TRD OFFROAD Tacoma (6 speed manual) and both vehicles are capable off road and out of all the reviews of the Tacoma yours is the only one that mentions it struggled off road.
@@SimplyCarReviews I have a 13 Taco...now I may not be a hard core off roader but my truck sees some rough haul roads in northern ontario...it does NOT struggle at all. The only thing that struggled was Grantrek Dunlop tires...they are colossal pieces of 💩💩💩💩💩. I switched to Goodyear Adventures for summer and Durtracs for winter and off road.
That was a great review! I’ve seen plenty of reviews of the JL off-roading but nothing like this, no fan boy hype, no typical auto journalists rants, keep it up. The Tacoma video was great as well, you point out so many things that get left out in the typical off road review. 🤜🏼
These are really valuable reviews, thanks! Nobody else goes into that kind of detail on what electronic nannies and assists are active in various situations. Would love to see more of these.
I have the two door. Nearly rolled it a couple times trying to find out what it can do. Very capable vehicle, way more than my 88 YJ lol. Super fun, not as "rough" and tough looking as my YJ, but the AC is nice. If i'm paying 40k+ for a car that i'm going to possibly scratch and dent, i want ac..
Another amazing in depth review that finds things the average reviewer would never even think of - please considering doing some similar reviews of road cars as well as off-road vehicles.
Fj was designed for military not intended for civilians, and its hard core. The blind spot, suicide doors etc is just mere criticism. If you know to drive hard, it doest matter. Its for the dummies to complaint.. Bla blah bla I read a lot than drive. Any day toyota is more reliable. And now the jeep is with fiat..already started showing electric complaints, rack nd pinion complaints etc. Nothing worse could happen for jeep than to marry fiat. So don't complain about a wonderful machine FJ. Don't be cocky, There is always someone better than you. Waiting to feel ford bronco..!
We took ours out with local jeep club yesterday. Was a whole lot more than we expected. We have much better tires and aired down to 18psi.. Kept up with much more modified jeeps. We did get it high centered once but a good spotter got us through.
If it wasn’t stated earlier, that’s not the abs but the brake lock differential engagement we’re hearing. It’s for when the lockers aren’t needed but there is still an issue with wheel slip. This feature came stock even in the 07 JK’s. It can be turned off with a bit of steering wheel judo with the starter switch
I really can't get on with all the electronic assistance in modern cars. I want the controls to do the same thing every time I use them. That way if something reacts or feels different then you know something's up. To be fair though I've never driven a car with fully electric steering. Is there even any feedback at all?
@@Scott-gy9ob just saw this reply.. you are correct, they don't... so it is a 3.6l..hmmm. I also have a Tazer JL, maybe it helps with completely disabling stability control or other issues he's experiencing.
confettihunterminus1 non Rubicon models have a real LSD in the rear. The Electronic Brake Differential is just there for when you don’t feel the need to engage the lockers due to the higher driveline stresses. Patric should have just engaged the lockers in that and gone through, no drama. That’s how Jeep intends this thing to be driven.
The throttle overrun is most likely there from Jeep to reduce emissions. If you cut the throttle quickly (and the throttle actually closes) you can send unburned fuel into the exhaust. Worst case this could also damage the catalytic convertors. My son has talked about this often on his 2013 Accord EX-L coupe (V6, 6-spd, AWESOME toy!!!), is still looking for a fix.
It works well a fair amount of the time, but it seems unnecessary with lockers front and rear. Why add that variable and complication? Maybe we just like the fun and challenge of off roading with open diffs, then having the lockers when we need them. Also how much more affordable could the Rubicon be without all that stuff?
George Thompson my 08 JKUR doesn’t do that throttle overrun nonsense. Just tested last night. Stabbing the gas pedal brought the revs up and right down. Must be a new thing in Jeeps. You’re right, probably for emotions/fuel efficiency.
Team O'Neil the Brake Lock Dif is there as part of the overall stability controls/anti-role/ anti lock Brake system. Since ‘07, Wranglers have included these features to keep the vehicles insurable and on the road. Something about passing the muse test and preventing rolling. Either way, it would be there whether it’s a Rubicon/Willys/Moab/Sport/Sport x/Sahara package so no real increased cost or complexity. As to the being able to fully disable, yeah don’t know why it’s isn’t at least burried in the setings. Most Jeepers aren’t truly that off roaring/driving purism oriented so leaving it for the majority makes senses. Also the system enhances the LSD in lower spec models. I’ve specially tried doing lots of off-roading and not used the lockers just to prove to others that you don’t NEED the up spec models like the Rubicon just to go off road. So there is that.
Awesome Review. 👍 I am a Muscle Car Guy w/ a Dual Interest in Off Road. On a Arkansas Trip my Friend let me Drive his 2018 2 Dr Rubicon. I felt on the Road it Handled like a Pig. 🐷 But i reminded myself this is an Off Road Vehicle not my 5.0. HOWEVER a logging truck came into our Lane and i quickly got off the Road and went thru a shallow ditch. I got back onto the Road before i would have took out a Mailbox. While my Friend Praised my Driving i thought how Off Road it HANDLED LIKE A DREAM! I told him his Brand New Jeep Rubicon has just been Officially Off Road Tested! Pass! 💯💯💯👍✔🏆
I have the same issues the throttle hang , the traction control in low and high never fully disables which eats brakes . Id like to add the wheel hop is horrible in snow and sand Great video
got a pre abs jeep LJ rubicon but if you want a quick easy way to completely disable the abs control find the abs relay and which wire i the output, might be two or more wires, run them in cab through a switch keep switchon while daily driving flick it off while offroad
fix for starting it in gear is equally as simple its all just simple limit switches, find the clutch switch i think thatd be the only one an run it to a switch if you want it to need clutch for daily.. id just jump the safety ive never accidentally turned my key in gear with the clutch out
Quick question, why not engage to front and rear lockers in 4-low when off road? I’ve never experienced traction control engaging while off road, but I tend to have my lockers on. But yeah, the fan is loud as hell and the throttle lags a ton.
Rear lockers you can leave mostly locked but front limits your cornering ability. Also, if you leave them unlocked and get stuck, they might get you out. If you have them locked all the time, if you get stuck, you have to rely on your winch or buddy to get you out. Personally, I lock them as needed depending on the obstacle in front.
You should make a video about sims, especially richard burns rally. A lot of people who cant rally the real thing are practicing on these platforms, and we would like to know your opinion on handling, realism, etc. Thanks!
They're really good for some things like eye placement, using notes, developing good judgement and planning ahead... But the vehicle dynamics aren't great for learning actual driving and car control skills. Drivers get what we call "training scars" meaning they practice and get good at things that don't actually work in the real world, and those can be very ingrained and hard to fix.
JJ, I think the overrun is to prevent immediate engine braking when you let off the throttle. With such low gearing the engine braking is pretty severe. If you need the engine braking it’s there, just wait a second, otherwise it’s going to be way smoother driving in low range.
Then again, I have an auto. It would probably be more noticeable in a stick. Because of the anti stall tech they're throwing in these modern manual cars.
It's also to smooth out jerky inputs for the sake of the driveline, they probably get more life out of the axles and u-joints, bushings and bearings and everything this way. It's gotta be much harder to "shock-load" the driveline suddenly and break something.
Yall have good points, it's just something to keep in mind when driving since it's not necessarily typical behavior. It might have its pros and cons, but I'm just glad I know it's there because if I didn't it might be a little weird
You need to get your hands on a first generation Honda Pilot and do the same type of review, I have been BEYOND impressed with "Ronda " , I will say that you can't " crawl " but need to commit to an extent but nevertheless it has proven to be AMAZINGLY capable off road
Hi! Gonna buy this car tomarrow. The problem is that in Russia we have only 2.0 engine JL version. I heard that the torque on that engine not like on toyota diesel: you have your real 400 Nm of torque only in 2000 RPM, so you can't go through offroad bad places on "jeep-skills", you can do it only "with a running start". So, is Jeep with 2.0 engine not applicable on off-road? What do you think about it (sorry for bad EnglisH) ????
Hello Wyatt, I just bought a 2 door manual transmission Rubicon and I need to ask you something: When I shift from 1st to 2nd, at the very moment that the clutch is "grabbing the gear" I hear a clank noise coming apparently from the transmission, I have to take the clutch really slow to avoid this clank (this slows the speed), I also like to add that I read on the manual the following: "NOTE: A certain amount of noise from the transmission is normal. This noise can be most notice- able when the vehicle is idling in NEUTRAL with the clutch engaged (clutch pedal released), but it may also be heard when driving. The noise may also be more noticeable when the trans- mission is warm. This noise is normal and is not an indication of a problem with your clutch or transmission." Upon your experience is this clank really normal ?, thank you in advance...
did you have sway bars disconnected? i dont think you mentioned those or did i miss that part? it looked like they were still connected because of the wheel spin and wheel in the air. also im wondering if the traction control will shut off completely if you connected the lockers?
Isn't the throttle that delayed to come down just due to the really low gearing in 4L? The driveline is spining so fast and easily that it takes time wind down. 🤷♂️
Not a comparable vehicle necessarily but I had a 2011 F250 with throttle over run about as bad as that Jeep. I nearly ate a fence or two with that truck try to plug through fields because it didn't stop pulling when I dumped off the throttle.
There are still cars being sold that let you start in gear from the factory, stock? I thought that's been a default safety feature for a couple decades already.
@@petequinones3454 like, go to a new toyota dealer right now and they're like that? I'm not talking about bypassing a clutch pedal switch or something-that's not stock.
Yup, go to a Toyota dealer and the manual transmission Tacomas will have a button to the left of the steering wheel that is labeled "Clutch Start Cancel." Push that and you can start in gear, usually it's only really useful in 1st or Rev particularly in low range, but you could also use it to get the car on a trailer or off the road if you're out of gas or break down in traffic or something. The Toyota trucks have had it since the 80s, nice to see it still there.
Was just curious but, could the maintained acceleration just be that it has a heavy clutch to try and prevent it from stalling while crawling which causes more rev hand thus it feels like it keeps accelerating?
I am so fed up with all these computer controls. I NEED to have my foot connected directly to the throttle body. Nothing more irritating then a car ignoring your inputs and doing what it thinks is best.
Just curious about your tires set up, why did you switch out the K02s for the Geolanders? Do you have a specific reason for the switch or was it just what was available to you in that size? I've had both tires before and I feel like the K02 was superior in mud and on rocks. The yokos were awesome on road though, smoothest ATs I think I've ever driven on.
Disclaimer: Yokohama is one of our partners here at Team O'Neil and we run them on basically everything. That said, the Geolandar A/T does probably lean a little more toward smooth roads than the KO2... but there's 4 Yokohama tires in this category and the Geolandar A/T is the most street-biased one. There's also the Geolandar X-A/T which is more off road biased, then the M/T is pretty hardcore and the X-M/T at the full aggressive off road end of the spectrum. This jeep has the normal A/Ts because it's our CEO's daily driver, the Cherokees and Tacomas we run courses with at the school are mostly on the X-A/Ts and the M/Ts, but they'll probably never see a paved road again.
If you're going to do a lot of off roading, that would probably make a lot of sense. They don't make many 4x4 ATVs and UTVs with manual transmissions anymore for good reason, the only reason to have one in a truck is if you enjoy the activity of it.
It would probably do alot better if you had some off road tires ... Those look like street tires ? See how the mud clods up ..almost looks like slick tires and it looks like a good vehicle. But , terrible tires 🙄
Sounding like a whiner. Listen....Jeep engineers have an interest in taking their time and making functional and useful changes for a vehicle line which is the most profitable for MOPAR. The changes made, which you complained about, actually kept you from getting stuck right? The JL is by far the best jeep ever made and the improvements take it to the next level. Stock this jeep is formidable. Place a lift and larger tires and correct gearing? There isn't a place on earth you cn not visit.
Great video! Just ordered a 2022 Rubicon manual after selling my TJ long ago, and this really gave me some good tips for offroad. One minor (major?) thing - you can bypass the clutch interlock for starting in gear with no clutch in lo range only. ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-q12iXZuYOjE.html
i seen this video released today and instantly thought of you with the jeep over revving ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-mm6SSeLivqE.html
They're actually more reliable now than when Chrysler started making the JKs. Chrysler was absolute dog shit in the mid 2000s and everyone thought it was gonna be the end of Jeep because of it.
