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Jeff Cooper and the Creation of IPSC - Gun Guys Special Ep. 31 

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Ken Hackathorn, Dave Westerhout of Rhodesia (now Zimbabwe), Jim McClary, and Bob Arganbright were all present at the historic Columbia Conference in Columbia, Missouri where the International Practical Shooting Confederation (IPSC) was born. It rapidly grew to include dozens of countries. It was the culmination of years of hard work and dedication since Jeff Cooper and a hard corps of dedicated pistoleros had begun free-style “combat shooting” in California in the 1950s. In this episode, these founding members recall what it was like to train under Jeff Cooper and how the sport of practical defense and combat pistol shooting came into being.
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Ken Hackathorn has served as a US Army Special Forces Small Arms Instructor, Gunsite Instructor, and NRA Police Firearms Instructor. He is currently an FBI Certified Firearms Instructor, and an SRT member and Special Response Team trainer. Ken has trained US Military Special Operations forces, Marine FAST and SOTG units and is a contract small arms trainer to FBI SWAT and HRT. Ken has provided training to Federal, State, and local law enforcement agencies and been active in small arms training for the past 25 years. He has written firearms related material for Guns & Ammo, Combat Handguns, Soldier Of Fortune, and currently American Handgunner and contributed to at least six other gun/shooting journals. Ken was also a founding member of IPSC and IDPA.
Jim McClary began his law enforcement career in South Carolina in 1974. From 1976 to 1987, he served as an agent assigned to the Narcotics Section, becoming in 1987 a lieutenant supervising training, freedom of information, and policy and procedures until 1994. He was a team leader on the SWAT Team from 1987 to 1994, as well. Since 1994, he has served as SAC/Captain of the Training Section, and graduated in 1998 from the Federal Bureau of Investigation National Academy, Session 192. He has supervised and provided training to hundreds of law enforcement officers on a multitude of topics, including report writing, live-fire tactical response, active-shooter response, and counter-terrorism. He also has led and conducted high-risk warrant services, manhunts, and SWAT operations and led law enforcement operations in support of local agencies during natural disasters and man-made events. Captain McClary's experience includes a wide compass of duties. He has conducted investigations and prepared cases involving a variety of subjects from street-level narcotics to international smuggling to capital murder in order to ensure successful prosecution. He was assigned as SLED liaison to the U.S. Drug Enforcement Administration as part of a multi-jurisdictional task force. McClary, a High Master in Police Pistol Course (PPC) competition, retired from a long and distinguished career with SLED, the South Carolina Law Enforcement Division. He’s now the administrator for the Law Enforcement Officers Hall of Fame in Columbia, South Carolina.
David I Westerhout (born 1936) is a former athlete who competed for England and a shooter who competed for Zimbabwe. He represented England in the 440 yards hurdles at the 1958 British Empire and Commonwealth Games in Cardiff, Wales. He was a member of Woodford Green Athletics Club and headed the UK junior rankings for the javelin in 1954. Westerhout changed sports and took up pistol shooting. He won the World Combat Pistol Championships in 1977 and was voted Rhodesia Sportsman of the Year. In 1980 he competed for Zimbabwe in the Mixed 25 metre rapid fire pistol at the 1980 Summer Olympics in Moscow. During 1959 he qualified as an optometrist and emigrated to Rhodesia. In the 1970s he served in the Special Forces Unit of the Rhodesian Army.
Bob Arganbright of Wood River, IL was the world traditional fast-draw champion, and a computer-systems manager for the Department of Defense. He is a subject matter expert on the history of the cowboy fast-draw, both in historical reality and as featured in film in television, and knows more about six-shooter holsters than just about anybody alive. He is a published author in many gun magazines including American Handgunner, Tactical Life, and Muckrack and is the author of the book The Fastest Guns Alive: The Story of Western Fast Draw.

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@bunkstagner298
@bunkstagner298 3 года назад
I quit IPSC when Col. Cooper died and the IPSC magazine did not even mention his passing. That was the straw that broke the camels back and this 1911 single stack shooter went elsewhere to shoot. I was disgusted with that insult to Col. Cooper and what he helped start and shame on them.
@AndyCinDallas
@AndyCinDallas 2 года назад
I still remember being a kid in South Africa and reading about Dave Westerhout's IPSC win with a BHP - good times. Jimmy von Sorgenfrei and Gerry Gore, the gunwriter, also took part - I met Gerry at his range/home when I was 13 or so.
@thinman8621
@thinman8621 3 года назад
Priceless to bring together the original designers of the sport we play and love today. A special thank you to all of you but maybe especially to Bill Wilson for all he has done for the shooting sports in so many ways.
@tkel2114
@tkel2114 3 года назад
This is one of the things people will be amazed by both now and in the future. A ridiculous amount of gun knowledge sitting around reminiscing about when they created a sport we all love. Just damn.
@ronniesuebruton3309
@ronniesuebruton3309 Год назад
I have taken 3 classes with Ken. One when I was only one of 4 students. We had him to ourselves for 3 days...great stories...Billy Bruton
@joeputnam224
@joeputnam224 3 года назад
Very interesting to hear Dave Westerhout in the flesh, and the stuff about Cooper. One of the half dozen best Gun Guys episodes ever!
@stevegroshong8515
@stevegroshong8515 3 года назад
Wow guys thanks for this. I was 19 year old kid when I got introduced to IPSC at the old MPPL range by Ralph Steele and Jim Joy. That was 1977. I shot there for about 5 years untill life took over. It influenced me to have a career in public safety as a cop and a paramedic. I am now 63 and got back into the shooting sports about 6 years ago. Now I'm having a ball with ICORE, USPSA & IDPA. Thanks guys for putting this up
@leniedor733
@leniedor733 Месяц назад
Thanks from Spain for bringing this topic! Interesting podcast you are uploading sir
@timhuffman5311
@timhuffman5311 2 года назад
I would like to thank you gentlemen with Jeff Cooper (RIP) for developing the PPC courses that would be used in training Law Enforcement Officers . I began my career in 1976 as a reserve Officer in Englewood Colo. and full time in 1980 in Aurora, retiring in 2013. I remember hearing about the classes that Cooper and you all conducted at the S.O. From there all of the training transitioned into PPC. You can stand there and shoot all day and learning accuracy is paramount. But the trick is not to be standing there so the other guy can shoot you. Shoot an d move shoot and move. There was a noticeable change in how we trained when we got away from strictly weaver stance. Your ideas inspired many a young officer. Thank You.
@bharnden7759
@bharnden7759 3 года назад
Loved Hackatborne writings in Soldier of Fortune way back .
@nataliedeyton6829
@nataliedeyton6829 3 года назад
I was a kid in the 80’s and loved looking through the Soldier of Fortune magazines at all the cool guns
@MThomas001
@MThomas001 3 года назад
Ok, that was awesome. We are lucky to get to shoot like we do. These guys created the Lab for all the great equipment and techniques we use today.
@JohnSmith-kg5dv
@JohnSmith-kg5dv 2 года назад
I have never enjoyed a U-tube channel as much as this one. Very well put together and I learned so much. Please keep up the excellent programming.
@user-ie1ij9nr7e
@user-ie1ij9nr7e Год назад
Great conversation! Thank you for doing everything that you gentlemen have done!
@waynecastleman1363
@waynecastleman1363 2 года назад
It's just really a pleasure to almost sit in on this discussion and listen to the legends.
@johnregan2652
@johnregan2652 3 года назад
Gentlemen, I'm grateful that you guys are documenting the masters and pioneers. Awesome 👍
@maxcactus7
@maxcactus7 3 года назад
Wow, what a convergence of legends and historical giants! I've been reading Col. Cooper's writings since I was a young kid in the early 80s. It's great to hear first-hand accounts of men who have been there, done that and as Col. Cooper would write "have seen the elephant"! Thank you, Wilson Combat, for such outstanding content!
@tieroneactual2228
@tieroneactual2228 3 года назад
That’s great to see those guys together talking about how it once was & what it evolved into. They’re like a real life Mt. Rushmore sitting there together like that!
@qedsteve
@qedsteve 3 года назад
I finished watching with a smile on my face. Enjoyed the back-and-forth between these legacy shooters. I giggled as Westerhout put us "colonials" in our place. This was GREAT.
@rexhinlo3398
@rexhinlo3398 3 года назад
Absolutely love to see the founding members of practical shooting. This is one for the books.
@ppatpparis
@ppatpparis 3 года назад
Excellent!!! Please do a show on IDPA and it’s foundation
@lawrencekatz5804
@lawrencekatz5804 3 года назад
This is an incredible video. I was on the NRA BOD with Col Cooper and in those days through early 80s the board were primarily bullseye or Olympic shooters and concerned about the silhouette target and the Bianchi course of fire. Col. Cooper, other members of the BOD went for a vacation to Yakatat, AK and he brought his Bren Ten hoping to harvest a Brown Bear, but did not. Fantastic experience. Thanks Ken for these videos.
@ACGBLR
@ACGBLR 3 года назад
I enjoy these talks, really interesting to hear the how certain things got started.
@iyn1911
@iyn1911 3 года назад
Wow! Thank you for doing this video. Great seeing these men along with Ken.
@johnbladen4931
@johnbladen4931 3 года назад
G'Day Fella's, I first started shooting IPSC in 1980, and I still shoot it today. I still adhear to the original Practical concept, as I do understand, and appreciate the original principals, behind why IPSC was started/formed. It was and still is one of The Best shooting ideas, and competitions, ever concieved. Thank You and Best Regards, JB
@Bodhi1satva
@Bodhi1satva 3 года назад
It is refreshing to listening to these terrific proud men that lack the ego’s of today. There’s a humility and a proper competitive nature while maintaining good sportsmanship. My favorite quote “accuracy should always be more important than speed!” That’s the common sense thinking I grew up with, just makes sense and is baffling to me that it even needs to be said.
@JesseGacria357
@JesseGacria357 2 года назад
Would be incredible to hear more antidotes from David Westerhout. Especially stories of Rhodesia.
@NK-rs2jp
@NK-rs2jp 3 года назад
What a treat and great to see the legends gather.
@jormen23
@jormen23 3 года назад
Great video!, always very interesting to hear directly from people that started something, in this case is it is more special since it is the sport we all love, not sure if any of this gentleman accompanied Jeff Copper in his trips to México to look at the Mexican defense pistol sport, it is said that Mr. Copper took some ideas from that discipline into IPSC, Mexican defense pistol discipline was shot with semiauto .45ACP pistols only, this before the 1971 gun restriction happened in the country.
@TheMujiFuji
@TheMujiFuji 3 года назад
Thanks for documenting the history!!
@bspraker1
@bspraker1 3 года назад
Wow! Awesome video. How and why would anyone thumbs down this important piece of history?
@OneFlewOver1776
@OneFlewOver1776 3 года назад
I had bought my first pistol here in Ca. and it was a S&W 357 Model 66 of course stainless in 1979..I was 21. Accurate right out of the box. I still have that and shoot it once in a while...I would switch around bullets from 357 to 38 just to not flinch and get used to just pulling the trigger the same way all the time. Also it's good to mention Coopers Color Code of Awareness...a great understanding of danger and your surroundings...Thank you all.
@wmtruelock
@wmtruelock 3 года назад
I can never get enough of this stuff. PRICELESS INFORMATION.
@davidhoffman6980
@davidhoffman6980 3 года назад
Ken Hackathorne sits up very straight. I respect that.
@ricks2651
@ricks2651 3 года назад
What an amazing group of men. I humbly thank each of you for giving everyone the chance to learn how to shoot accurately and compete in IPSC and USPSA.
@snowgorilla9789
@snowgorilla9789 3 года назад
From Canada I still shoot with one of the founders "Doc" who would drive from Canada with a buddy or two to wherevere USA 20 plus hours non stop shoot the match of maybe 112 rounds, turn around and drive home to go to work. They decided IPSC Canada was required and IPSC BC was started I only wish I had heard of it before 2014 A GREAT SPORT
@daleparker4207
@daleparker4207 3 года назад
An amazing channel. Wish you could help us north of you. Something to convince Canadians honest shooters are not criminals. Thank you for sharing
@bobkohl6779
@bobkohl6779 Год назад
In the late 70s there were hundreds of folks shooting IPSC matches in SoCal. Mike Harries who was at Columbia and an API instructor mentored a lot of us. I R/Oed at early Steel Challenges and ran Bill Wilson, Rob Leatham, Brian Enos and Mike Plaxco
@Jamesfort3520
@Jamesfort3520 3 года назад
Started Shooting IPSC in 76. Shot in California Southwest Pistol Leauge. Still shooting in USPSA.
@michaelholts1598
@michaelholts1598 3 года назад
I first shot IPSC in 1979 and had to do the roll, I think since IPSC is now part of USPSA, Guns and holsters should be duty style.
@wazzup3270
@wazzup3270 3 года назад
Everyone should have respect for the Gun they hold 🤗👍 Thank you God bless 👍
@Siskiyous6
@Siskiyous6 3 года назад
Thank you gentlemen!
@kevinmacan2262
@kevinmacan2262 3 года назад
Amazing to hear from all of you guy!!! Great insight!!!
@edwardschofield6692
@edwardschofield6692 3 года назад
Great interview guys. I would like to mention a true gentleman who was around in the early years.Some of you gents may remember him.John Pepper inventor of the Pepper popper from Maryland never patented it.Never received credit he really deserves. Thanks for sharing your knowledge over the years gentleman
@carlcrisp8700
@carlcrisp8700 3 года назад
Thanks gentlemen.
@laughingdog185
@laughingdog185 3 года назад
Thanks gentlemen for your passion and your beautiful vision. We freedom shooters salute you.
@kylemaki6510
@kylemaki6510 2 года назад
Fantastic bit of history 👍
@michaelmajcher7607
@michaelmajcher7607 3 года назад
Excellent and very informative video!....please keep them coming!!!
@MichaelLeopold1
@MichaelLeopold1 3 года назад
Thanks for the the history
@prb9013
@prb9013 3 года назад
That was fascinating!
@ralphhorne9743
@ralphhorne9743 3 года назад
Interesting story! I've been to the Chapman Academy (now part of the Green Valley club) many times and shot my share of matches over the years.
@walterluiz4694
@walterluiz4694 3 года назад
Amazing...
@logi7671
@logi7671 3 года назад
God bless the Rhodesians
@tieroneactual2228
@tieroneactual2228 3 года назад
Yes they were behind the “Rhodesian Ready” method of carrying a rifle with a sling in front of your chest, muzzle pointing down on a angle & easily brought up to point down range in a split second should if need be.
@jeffbeasom5227
@jeffbeasom5227 3 года назад
I was just discussing the USPSA scoring with a friend who doesn't shoot competitively and pointing out how skewed USPSA scoring is to speed over accuracy. I loved the line "win by missing quickly ". Seems to me there should be a wider difference in the zone values, like 10 for As, 5 for Cs, 1 for D. Also, in real life shooting a bystander can get you years in prison so there should be a higher penalty for no shoots. Make it a shooting sport again instead of a track meet.
@K-bob_45
@K-bob_45 3 года назад
There are some quirks but at the end of the day I still think it’s fine. A) the faster you can go, the higher you will go and B) it’s a game, not real life. The idea is to push your limits in the game and then be well within your comfort zone when you need to shoot for real
@graynotescartridgebox
@graynotescartridgebox 3 года назад
You can’t miss fast enough to win. People say crap like that, but they aren’t out there doing it.
@hectordelorenzi785
@hectordelorenzi785 3 года назад
honor and respect...
@SnipeU696
@SnipeU696 3 года назад
Thank you gentilmen.
@geico1975
@geico1975 3 года назад
Indeed, speaking of holsters I'd love to find a simple shoulder holster with no magazine pouches, just something to secure my pistol, maybe a wide strap that wraps around the arm and shoulder in leather.
@venerapqd
@venerapqd 3 года назад
Good ,great storie
@matthewdropco
@matthewdropco 3 года назад
What you all talked about in regards to IPSC pistols & equipment innnovations inspiring products in the real world reminds me of how it is more Indy car/formula 1 type racing has given more innovation to the automotive world than NASCAR. Not that today's Nascar isn't innovative & using great technologies, but it seems the biggest contributor to passenger vehicles is the from the highest level open wheel racers. Is that a good comparision?
@montycrain5783
@montycrain5783 3 года назад
Really great conversation. I remember Ross Seyfried won the World Championship with a Milt Sparks #1 AT holster. Probably the last World Champ from the US who could be called Practical. I believe he lives in Tennessee now. I wonder what your opinion on the Power factor is ?
@jonkennethmanrique9574
@jonkennethmanrique9574 2 года назад
The founding Fathers...
@cstlbrvo5615
@cstlbrvo5615 3 года назад
You gotta think quick and shoot fast.
@1stAmendmentfukyoutube
@1stAmendmentfukyoutube 3 года назад
Now if only Wilson combat can make a finish that holds up and line up their ball cuts.
@jimwilliams9538
@jimwilliams9538 3 года назад
I was wondering if you remember a Richard (Dick) Becker? I use to shoot with him here in Cedar Rapids, Iowa.
@artmallory970
@artmallory970 3 года назад
11:28 Very few 'mericans' today have ancestry going back to those original colonists, most don't have ancestry going back half that time...
@mr.lovell3645
@mr.lovell3645 3 года назад
I love IPSC, but they need to revamp the rules... Outdated things about dropleg holsters and even wearing camo is against the rules... It could be bigger but the "old" rules hold ipsc back... Things like the Tactical Games and Desert Brutality 2 gun will surpass it...
@maximilianmustermann5763
@maximilianmustermann5763 3 года назад
Well, if you want to keep IPSC as an international sport, you're always going to have these kinds of problems because of different legislation around the world. What you may find boring or not practical enough, is the absolute end of the line what people could get through legally here in Germany. We even have federal laws that say any resemblance to military or police training in shooting sports competitions is not allowed. It's a miracle they even got a licence for IPSC in the first place. It's even more watered down here with special German rules because we are not allowed to use opaque barriers, we have to use see-through nets as barriers (because, as you might have guessed, opaque barriers resemble military training). Rifle IPSC has also taken a big hit in 2019 when they outlawed magazines with more than 10 rounds for semi-auto rifles. At least pistols can still have 20 round magazines. So if you want something more interesting and exciting, you just have to do it in the US. I'm still glad IPSC exists because it's the only kind of practical shooting we're allowed to do here in Germany, and it's hard enough to find a club in you area that actually has a licenced range for it...
@ZhuJo99
@ZhuJo99 3 года назад
@@maximilianmustermann5763 as far as I know magazines above 10 rounds in rifles were banned last year, not 2019 in Germany. If you want IPSC, and good one, czech republic or here in Slovakia. We also have at least 3 rifle competitions per year, mostly in Cachtice near Trencin or in Krcava, which is far east near Ukraine borders - but out there it’s really great. Pistol IPSC well, plenty of matches in both countries. Also LOS matches, which is practical self defense match (like IPSF in USA). If you want something more, Finland and Sweden have regular international rifle matches every year, also Russia. But those are usually European or World championships (with people like whole Miculek family coming, too). Lot of money required for such event, not only fee is big, but also all money you spend travelling, accommodation, food etc. One guy I knows goes there regulary, he said for a whole week it’s like 3k of euros.
@mr.lovell3645
@mr.lovell3645 3 года назад
@@maximilianmustermann5763 I see your point, I had not thought internationally... But that could be tweaked for US players...
@graynotescartridgebox
@graynotescartridgebox 3 года назад
@@mr.lovell3645 nobody shoots IPSC in the US. We shoot USPSA.
@davek5027
@davek5027 3 года назад
Fudds
@Tacteyecool
@Tacteyecool 3 года назад
Miss zerrr Ree not miss zer ra
@RigiLiquid945
@RigiLiquid945 3 года назад
For the votes, there should have been 1 per State in the USA, and 1 for each other country. As for the non-practicality that it has become, and the accuracy over speed, there's a little known game called IDPA
@garyhybridge
@garyhybridge 2 года назад
Z
@rolotomase1440
@rolotomase1440 3 года назад
There were a shit ton more misses back in the 70's as their are today. And as far as missing fast enough to win #Ignorant. You've got guys shooting at the limits of human performance while hitting 90% of the points. In fact, if you're not shooting 90% points you're not winning. You have championships won and loss by tenths and single digit points. A penalty for a miss, and you lost. Like Rob Leatham says, "speed is fine but accuracy is final...if you do it fast enough."
@graynotescartridgebox
@graynotescartridgebox 3 года назад
Plastic holsters aren’t practical? 😂
@ColeDedhand
@ColeDedhand 3 года назад
There is nothing practical left in ipsc.
@gregorypaulbox3035
@gregorypaulbox3035 3 года назад
For sure! IDPA is closer to what 'practical' shooting should be.
@TravisLee773
@TravisLee773 3 года назад
Biden, “no amendment is absolute. “
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