Jeff Greenfield "If Kennedy Lived" 

Danny Burch: JFK put 16,000 military in Vietnam (many in combat roles) over his 1,000 days in office - not just the previous 3 weeks. Despite his words, he (JFK) was stuck. He was a tough talker when it came to communism (as were all politicians) and he and his administration saw Vietnam in cold war terms. War was imminent.

At his press conference on Nov. 14th he reiterated he wanted a thousand or so advisors out of Nam by the end of the year.

US military 'advisers' were in Nam long before JFK was elected. The Pentagon wanted in, the CIA wanted in, and the military/industrial complex wanted in. But Kennedy wanted out. In 1961 the CIA under Alan Dulles planned to invade Cuba and overthrow Castro. Kennedy backed out at the last minute, fired Dulles and swore to tear down the CIA. Meanwhile he began withdrawing troops from Vietnam. Two years later Kennedy was assassinated. Dulles sat on the Warren Commission, which claimed there was no conspiracy to kill Kennedy. The case was reopened by Congress in 1976, which determined that JFK was indeed the victim of a conspiracy.

Yes but under Kennedy, the number of "advisers" went from about a 1000 to 16000.

@@timcountis9368 Liars the whole damn bunch of them. The Warren Commission was just a sham just a play. They weren't looking for justice. They were looking to shut Justice down. And they have done a pretty damn good job of it ever since. Thieves liars and murderers.

That's right. Bush wanted the poppy feels protected-C$A.. That was their money maker. It's been the same ever since only now they're stealing our children. I heard children were brought to the triage set up in Central Park, New York. That have never seen the surface. They said nurses Praying and asking for our prayers for these poor precious children. And some were adults too. I guess they grew up in the dam tunnels. We have been so naive. Listening to what we were fed And most times never question. I'm awake. And I'm pissed off. What are we leaving the Next Generation? People need to wake up.

An excellent point. Three things: A President Gore would have been better prepared for September 11th; thus, the likelihood of invading Iraq diminishes greatly; as President, Gore would have invested time, energy, research and consistent effort to battle climate change. Also, the likelihood of surpluses, rather than increasing deficits. If only, Ralph Nader were not on the ballot.

@@jkrasney1 Great point about Ralph Nader being a spoiler candidate because a third party candidate has never won a presidential election. No Label Party is considering entering a candidate which would likely sap votes from Biden and increase Trump's chances of winning in 2024.

JFK SAID THAT.

@@brokenarrow1689 and then Johnson killed him ..... just ask Bobby K. , he knew who was behind it .....

Without a doubt

Then you must like Reagan as well... they were virtually the same policy wise. That's how quick the shift left was in this country. If you dont beleive me research it, and you will see.

@@timcountis9368 The only ones who "shafted" the working man was the democrat-controlled Congress Reagan had to deal with. JFK had an ENTIRELY different country to work with. Now, 30% of the country are immigrants who came here after 1970. All looking for handouts.

Tim Countis People like you are what will damn America

probably mine too John Carroll he has always been my most favorite preside t president

Hohoho!

That's the big elephant in the living room. You don't build libraries at the taxpayer's expense for what that SOB did in Vietnam and Covering up JFK's Assassination. If you don't put these people in prison for life then it makes a mockery of everything we stand for, and Nixon, and both Bushes never paid for their crimes either.

Well, they didn't ignore his wealth, actually. Greenfield is right when he said there were investigations into LBJ's wealth. Time magazine was about to release an article titled, 'Lyndon's Money' , and his political career would have been over. Those investigations died when JFK was killed. Nowadays, how many people are going after the wealth and corruption of Senate and House leaders?

@@jamesanthony5681 It's a lot more than that. There was at least one murder and probably many more around the Estes,Baker Scandals.

@@vernpascal1531 You've got nothing. No evidence of any conspiracies, no 2nd gunman, no evidence of any murders ("probably many more murders???"), nothing. Just idle speculation.

No it was New Orleans Godfather Carlos Marcello who was behind the Kennedy assassination with co - conspirators Lyndon Johnson, rogue Cia elements, J. Edgar Hoover and other Mafia dons

I am not quite as certain. Although Johnson I suspect did know his days were going to be far more challenging after the Texas trip, had Dallas not occurred. Unlike Greenfield's presumption; that is, LBJ rehabilitate himself, I suspect LBJ would have had another heart attack and as such, been a footnote in history.

Yup. Might as well say Trump is our Greatest President Ever or Pigs Fly...

Why? Because he's an intelligent man who does not believe that nonsense.

No because he is par of the lie.

@@john1198 it is NOT a lie. LBJ knew he was going to get dumped by the Kennedys in the 1964 ticket. LBJ was aganst JFK's withdrawal plans for Vietnam. LBJ had a history of using ballot box stuffing to get elected. If JFK had lived, 68,000 Americans would have lived.

Exactly. Establishment Journalists don't want to believe we had a Coup 11-22-63(LBJ and his high level backers couldn't allow Bobby to put them in prison over the Estes, TFX, and Baker scandals that just coincidentally vanished after 11-22-63) and Oliver Stone was 100% right on the shooting,ballistics, Oswald's background etc.. Unfortunatel,y instead of learning anything important that is new, they all went into denial mode,which is so dishonest and led to Trump's insanity and Presidency, and the garbage now going on.

He wasn't going to pull them out, despite what he said or did. With the assassination of Diem in Nov/63, and events unfolding as they did in Vietnam, JFK would have been pressured to do something by the hawks and keep them (16,000 military) there had he lived. McNamara essentially said that in *The Fog of War* .

@@jamesanthony5681 NSAM 263 was why JFK was assassinated. LBJ issued NSAM 273 11/24/63 to reverse JFK's withdrawal plan.

@@romanclay1913 Yeah, heard that one before. No evidence of any conspiracies. None.

Did you read the Warren Commission Report? It was flawed certainly, but some solid investigation took place.

You should read some of the books that have been written about what actually happened on that fateful November day in Dallas... "Four Days in November" by Vincent Bugliosi does a pretty excellent job of it...

Oh, I think he does know about the case. Greenfield's a smart man and a critical thinker who has looked at BOTH sides and has come to the rightful conclusion that LHO, who was a nutjob, acted alone. Now what do *YOU* know about the case that would lead you to think there was a conspiracy or someone else, besides all the nonsense that's been bandied about? Give us all something tangible.

@@jamesanthony5681 Greenfield is a joke just like Chris Matthews & all the other MSM shills who have been keeping this fraud going for 57 years, the Pentagon/Joint chiefs hated JFK's foreign policy so they had him killed, simply handed the job off to the CIA.

@@tram84mvp And for the past 57+ years not one bit of evidence has surfaced or come to light to indicate a conspiracy, i.e., a meeting, money changing hands, a conversation - nothing! I'd love to see something - anything. Why would the MSM keep a 'so-called fraud' going after all these years? If any of them found anything, then THAT would make their career.

@@jamesanthony5681 Real researchers solved this case decades ago, you say it would "make their career", you should have said BREAK their career because it would be immediately over if they told the obvious truth that JFK was killed by the joint chiefs/CIA & covered up for 57 years by the MSM, even the house select committee said it was a conspiracy in the late 70's, there's massive evidence of 2 Oswald's, (In WC testimony even his half brother John Pic refused to identify 3 pictures as his brother), the patsy Oswald was in New Orleans in August 1963 & standing right behind him is Bill Shelley -his boss 2 months later at the TSBD. There were 3 rifles found at the depository, a mauser, enfield & carcano, what happened to the first 2 rifles?. The money order that patsy Oswald supposedly used to buy the carcano wasn't even cashed - not 1 bank stamp on it, as far as Tippit killing the patsy Oswald was already in the Texas theater when the cop was shot. Why was JFK killed? - because he was getting out of Vietnam, normalizing relations with Russia & Cuba & the far right wing war mongers in the military industrial complex could not stand for it.

@@tram84mvp Ah, the House Select Committee (HSCA) in the mid-latter 1970's. And what did they conclude? They essentially corroborated all the major findings in the Warren Report, however, they came up with 2 things: 1. A dictabelt recording of an alleged 4th shot later discredited; and 2 A puff of smoke near the knoll. A puff of smoke?? Really? WOW! For $5+ million of taxpayer's money, that's what we got, and these guys were under intense pressure and desperate to find something - anything - in regards to a conspiracy. They likely questioned 200+ people in Dealey and perhaps 2, 3 mentioned the smoke. The consensus opinion was nobody saw anything including the 3 cops and 12 rail employees on top of the Stemmons bridge. Oswald was identified in the building, and only 1 gun was reported present. Prints were found. He was clearly eye-witnessed as the killer of J.D. Tippit. What conspiracy theorists will pull out of the air to fit their narrative astonishes me. Now you're getting into the speculation as to Vietnam and why he was killed. The 1st major escalation into Vietnam (16,000 military) began under JFK, and he was NOT about to pull them out regardless of how many executive orders he signed. JFK mishandled Vietnam, and with the assassination of Diem in early Nov/63, America was stuck, and Kennedy was not about to pull America out. Now that's my speculation, and McNamara essentially said the same thing about JFK, who as President was as hawkish as Richard Nixon, and he (JFK) would have been harshly criticized by the Amercan right for letting Vietnam fall to the communist North had he pulled out. He was not about to let that happen, and he remembers how Truman was excoriated for letting (as if he could stop it) China fall to the Communists in 1949.

Kennedy did everything humanly possible to avoid sending ground troops to Vietnam and 9 times during his Administration turned down the JCS, and Top Advisors in sending troops to Cambodia,Laos and Vietnam.

Not true he would have waited till after the 64 election and then pulled troops out he would have never committed ground troops in Vietnam I wouldn't listen to a thing that that foolish old man says

@@dannyburch2122 Kennedy blew it big time when he had Diem overthrown and killed 3 weeks before he went to Texas.

@@rockyracoon3233 yeah you're right

@@dannyburch2122 Also, NSAM 273 was prepared while JFK was still ALIVE. He was to sign it at a meeting he had scheduled with McNamara and Henry Cabot Lodge.

ALL EVIDENCE POINTS TO LHO.

These Establishment Journalists do not live in the real world. Once you start spouting Oswald acted alone you have less credibility than Trump...if that's possible.

@Kevin Durham but reagan lived