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Jeffrey Brenzel: The Essential Value of a Classic Education
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From "What's the best kind of life for a human?" to "How should governments be arranged?", the great classics tackle some of the most enduring questions that have resisted the attempts of science and the ages to solve. Brenzel will try to convince you that having intimate conversations with these great works will not only build your intellectual muscle but will also help you to grapple with the big questions in your own life and improve your judgment.
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Jeffrey Brenzel:
Jeffrey Brenzel is Dean of Undergraduate Admissions at Yale University and a Lecturer in Yale's Philosophy Department. He has worked as a nonprofit executive, a private sector entrepreneur, a scholar and a university administrator. In this capacity as the Dean of Undergraduate Admissions, Brenzel is responsible for worldwide outreach to talented students, the selection process itself, and the development of university admissions policy and practices. Brenzel earned his Ph.D. in Philosophy from the University of Notre Dame, while at the same time founding and developing InterLearn, Inc. an investor-backed venture that used new media and technology to produce career education and liberal arts programs for adult learners.
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What is the best sort of life for a human being? Socrates claimed in 400BC that a man lives a happier life if he’s just, even if he is thrown starving into prison for the rest of his life than if he is unjust and he is celebrated and honored all of his days and is never caught for his crimes. Could that possibly be correct? If not, why not and what difference should the question make to us now?
What moves the human heart? Shakespeare’s characters throw us into the depths of lust, envy, greed, pride, ambition. What do those characters have to say about the way that we act or that we behave or that we believe? And if so, what difference would it make to read about them in Shakespeare and why Shakespeare whose Elizabethan English is very difficult for us who speak modern English to understand? Thomas Hobbes wrote in 1651 a book called Leviathan, one of the two or three most influential works in the history of thinking about government and politics in western society. He was writing from the midst of a raging civil war and he argued that unless we gave all the power, unless we surrendered all ultimate control to a legitimate king that we would all rob and kill each other. Was he right about that? Is that the way things actually work and is the question relevant to us today when we no longer believe in kings?
Hello. My name is Jeff Brenzel and I'm the dean of undergraduate admissions at Yale University. I'm also the master of something called Timothy Dwight College, which essentially means that I live with 400 of the very undergraduates that I picked myself and yes, it is unusual for an admissions dean to live 24/7 with the outcomes of his own decisions. I also lecture from time to time in the philosophy department at Yale and my work in philosophy centers around ethics and also the history of the ideas that we’ve had about something we like to call human nature. Speaking of human nature, one of my personal heroes, Aristotle, claimed that by nature everyone seeks to know, everyone desires to know. For the purposes of this talk I'm going to assume that you are already an intellectually curious person and that you’re not only chasing after knowledge as hard as you can. You’re also trying to build up the skill sets and acquire the kind of capacities and abilities that you’re going to need to become a better learner overall.
Also I'm going to assume that you’re not only trying to increase your stock of knowledge, but that you’re seeking to grow in wisdom as well and wisdom is something distinct from knowledge and I'm going to come back to that a little later.
If these things are in fact true about you then here is my advice in a nutshell. Make a choice in college to read some old books, even a substantial number of old books. My argument will be that reading the right old books in the right way is better than reading only new books, much less using only new ways of learning that have nothing to do with books at all. So yes, I'm a throwback. I have a somewhat unpopular view of what you should do with your college education. What I'm going to try to persuade you is that my advice...
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@bigthink
@bigthink 3 года назад
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@jonathanjollimore7156
@jonathanjollimore7156 2 года назад
It teaches you to be a better thinker and being a better thinker is more important then raw knowledge. I don't care how many fact you can remember if you have no clue how to apply then in a practical way in the real world
@ericanderson7346
@ericanderson7346 2 года назад
The sound effects in these videos are lame, distracting, and annoying.
@carolineleiden
@carolineleiden 2 года назад
@@ericanderson7346 Yes, lets bring in every Tom Dick and Harry from all over the world who wants a free house and a free pass here on our expense. It's the civilized thing to do. We' ll be bankrupt in one generation.
@kamisduaempat9423
@kamisduaempat9423 2 года назад
BigThink editor, i hope you can add Indonesian subtitle
@robertm.vaccato1334
@robertm.vaccato1334 2 года назад
Education system has nothing to do with intelligence! If anything it makes people stupid and gives them a false sense of security! Standardized testing is a joke just like the education system is! It's completely biased and inaccurate. Intelligence is genetic and no matter how much people study your intelligence will never change! Most people just parrot information that's a huge problem. Because you need to understand information not parrot it! Most people with degrees are parrots with zero problem solving skills? So if that's what you want to be then go to college!
@CptDangernoodle
@CptDangernoodle 9 лет назад
Mentioned in the video: 5th Century B.C. The Theban Plays (Oedipus Rex) - Sophocles 4th Century B.C. Dialogues of Socrates 380 B.C. Republic - Plato 350 B.C. Nicomachean Ethics - Aristotle 426. City of God - St. Augustine of Hippo 1274. Summa Theologica - St. Thomas Aquinas 1315. The Divine Comedy (Inferno) - Dante 1606. King Lear - Shakespeare 1651. Leviathan - Thomas Hobbes 1667. Paradise Lost - John Milton 1798. An Essay On The Principle Of Population - Thomas Malthus 1869. War and Peace - Leo Tolstoy 1813. Pride and Prejudice - Jane Austen and Emily Dickinson.
@EyeLean5280
@EyeLean5280 8 лет назад
***** To this list, I would definitely add Euripides to balance out Sophocles as the latter traded in idealism while the former was a master of naturalism.
@MaisieDaisyUpsadaisy
@MaisieDaisyUpsadaisy 7 лет назад
LowryderKid I would add Marcus Aurelius, Machiavelli and Clausewitz.
@burntgod7165
@burntgod7165 5 лет назад
Bible. Dostoyevsky. It's all subjective.
@burntgod7165
@burntgod7165 5 лет назад
@LokiRudder How so? Everyone's list is different. The epitome of subjectivity.
@thomervin7450
@thomervin7450 3 года назад
@Universalis Ted lol. No they're not. Either way, if you're going the classical education route you're not necessarily reading these books for entertainment value, you're reading them to learn from them.
@artistradio
@artistradio 6 лет назад
"You don't build muscles by wrestling weaklings" You don't build mental muscle by arguing with random people on social media either. ;-)
@Thewhiteboyulovewaree
@Thewhiteboyulovewaree 5 лет назад
Brown Wolf so true
@benmathewson1826
@benmathewson1826 4 года назад
Yes you do. Your mum is fat. 😛
@jordanchristman144
@jordanchristman144 3 года назад
@@benmathewson1826 got em!
@nickwhite7891
@nickwhite7891 3 года назад
To assume everyone you're debating with is beneath you is a great way to stunt your own growth.
@KT-dj4iy
@KT-dj4iy 3 года назад
@@nickwhite7891 except when they're the people in the comment threads of RU-vid, Facebook, etc. We are all complete and utter morons and arguing with us not only doesn't build new mental muscle, it rots any such muscle you already have.
@ArcaneWorkshop
@ArcaneWorkshop 10 лет назад
Engaged from start to finish, excellent speaker.
@NodakBro
@NodakBro 3 года назад
I totally agree, it led me to r/ClassicalEducation to start my own reading plan!
@mihirbendre5049
@mihirbendre5049 2 года назад
I agree
@fuckyoutubengoogle2
@fuckyoutubengoogle2 2 года назад
I watched the whole thing too. So fucking lame.
@Ek70R
@Ek70R 2 года назад
what an amazing speaker, I am totally inspired by this guy.
@alexdiaz1492
@alexdiaz1492 2 года назад
Agreeeed
@beth8775
@beth8775 6 лет назад
The more time you spend reading great works, the more discerning you will be about what else you want to read. You will come to expect quality.
@NodakBro
@NodakBro 3 года назад
r/classicaleducation
@jamesfrancese6091
@jamesfrancese6091 2 года назад
Although, falling into line with canonical readings is not exactly a way of developing one’s own intellectual or aesthetical originality either. A commitment to the Great Books is something of a stultifying task, producing exquisitely cultured and predictable people who see much to admire in each other. In short, those who look to tradition will be comforted by it. That’s what it’s there for! Jeffery Brenzel knows this, and hints at the issue at 11:15. And who’s to say there’s not plenty to enjoy?
@khadimndiaye7730
@khadimndiaye7730 2 года назад
@@jamesfrancese6091 what books, would you say, step out of line of „predictability“? I would argue that most, if not all books have the classics as the cornerstone, and, unless you don’t read at all, it becomes difficult to walk another path…
@zr0ll99
@zr0ll99 Год назад
@@jamesfrancese6091, It's crazy how stupid you are
@zr0ll99
@zr0ll99 Год назад
@@khadimndiaye7730, He is probably the kind of guy who read only self-help books
@elias1579
@elias1579 5 лет назад
I have no education, I’m a high school drop out. Yet I continue to study epistemology and now interested in the trivium. I hope this thirst is not in vain.
@mudrakumar
@mudrakumar 2 года назад
Hey...how are you studying trivium? Please give some insight.
@rexdalit3504
@rexdalit3504 2 года назад
Hi Elias. Admit it, your thirst for knowledge is almost *certainly* "in vain", but this is no reason at all to stop.
@flecha213
@flecha213 2 года назад
Of course it isn't. Life enrichment can't be quantified, it can be felt through experience
@zenwarrior3603
@zenwarrior3603 2 года назад
Knowledge is never a waste. Read on!
@mikedaniels3009
@mikedaniels3009 2 года назад
You're possibly a self-made millionaire, while all college "lecturers" are pussies & losers who hide in there & behind their man-made paper trails because they can't hack it in the real world.
@clemdane
@clemdane 10 лет назад
I wish I were 18 again and could start over with a classical education. Well, I can stsrt over at my age, too.
@EyeLean5280
@EyeLean5280 8 лет назад
Clemdane Of course you can :)
@maxdominate2481
@maxdominate2481 5 лет назад
Buy and read 'The Great Books of Western Civilization' and you'll have what you seek.
@valerierawlins1298
@valerierawlins1298 5 лет назад
It's what I am doing, and I am having a lovely time discovering new things, while stretching my mind. My grandchildren are also benefitting from this.
@maxdominate2481
@maxdominate2481 5 лет назад
Glad to learn that you are working through the 'Great Books of Western Civilization". I would also recommend the nine paperback volumes of "A History of Philosphy" by Frederick Copleston. Absolutely amazing as you work through the philosophers represented in the GBWC.
@valerierawlins1298
@valerierawlins1298 5 лет назад
@@maxdominate2481 will you recommend Will Durant?? I have enjoyed reading, but I want to have a greater and wider understanding. Thank you for the recommendation.
@surrealistidealist
@surrealistidealist 2 года назад
One of my life goals is to study all of this in detail. I may never be able to afford to enroll in a college or university for a degree in Classics, but I'm at least going to get all the use I can out of my libraries and book stores! ❤
@noobieexplorer4697
@noobieexplorer4697 2 года назад
Good luck on your journey
@misha4626
@misha4626 2 года назад
You’re a amazing.. you can do anything you put your mind to! I wish you the best !!! ❤️
@surrealistidealist
@surrealistidealist 2 года назад
@@misha4626 Thank you so much! That means a lot to me! I'm giving it all I've got! 🙏 ❤️
@jamesbarlow6423
@jamesbarlow6423 Год назад
Don't waste your time listening to these guys. Just read the books. And LIVE
@Sarah-re7cg
@Sarah-re7cg Год назад
A great resource is the Stanford encyclopedia of philosophy. Make sure to get your information from professional and credited sources. There are so many confusing and flat out wrong hot takes.
@charlie4696
@charlie4696 3 года назад
I'm currently 31 years old and having a hard time to choose what I want to do with myself for the next 40+ years (hopefully), while there's some people that have already found their passion and have all their college education on their area, there're people like me who are still looking for their spark. Watching this, I have renew hope. I find it very insightful and inspirational. Time to read some books and stop wrestling with weaklings. The view! Thanks!
@myhatmygandhi6217
@myhatmygandhi6217 2 года назад
"Learn as though you'll live tomorrow, but live as though you'll die forever"
@Conn30Mtenor
@Conn30Mtenor 2 года назад
Have you tried focusing on what you're good at?
@apricotcomputers3943
@apricotcomputers3943 2 года назад
don't worry about the next 40 years.. worry about your relationship with Christ
@liammurphy2725
@liammurphy2725 2 года назад
@@apricotcomputers3943 Good grief. Would Christ want anyone to worry about him?
@apricotcomputers3943
@apricotcomputers3943 2 года назад
@@liammurphy2725 no, he's the lord of lord, king of kings
@lifecloud2
@lifecloud2 2 года назад
Someone giving a lecture was once asked, "Why does a dog love to stick his head out of the window of a moving car where he's hit by bugs and debris that get in his eyes and on his tongue? Why does he wag his tail the entire time and can't wait to do this again?" The answer was simple: "Because it's worth it." I just loved that.
@MikeClohset
@MikeClohset 7 лет назад
So glad I found this on minds and best teacher I've seen in a very long time. His influence on me is instead of being depressed everyday for watching press on TV will get uplifting by reading those books. Even at age 55, still can learn and improve my train of thought.
@liammurphy2725
@liammurphy2725 2 года назад
So your 59 now buddy. How goes the train these days?
@guitarfreak1333
@guitarfreak1333 9 лет назад
...and now I've read The Republic. Might just have saved my ability to critical thinking. I read on some website, that Jeffrey Benzel is a huge fan of "How to read a book" by Mortimer Adler. I bought it and i can recommend it as a trustworthy companion to the intellectual journey :) I would argue though, that it is useful to be selective in the use of Mortimer Adlers techniques. Time is finite, after all :) With regards to The Republic, i found Allan Bloom's literal translation (the one including an interpretative essay) to be brilliant. Focused, contemporary and readable. Thank you, Jeffrey Brenzel, for convincing me to read the classics.
@fated8
@fated8 5 лет назад
Just now reading Karen Swallow Prior's On Reading Well. I'm guessing if you haven't read it you likely would.
@jamesfrancese6091
@jamesfrancese6091 2 года назад
@John Steven I’m sorry you’re having a hard time keeping up
@liammurphy2725
@liammurphy2725 2 года назад
I guess I suffer the same as many of us, who fail to find great authors because they write in another culture. London England here. Never heard of Mortimer Adler before viewing this. Will I have to read that book before I read that book?
@liammurphy2725
@liammurphy2725 2 года назад
@@fated8 As a lifelong reader I found invaluable a book entitled 'Elements of Style" co-authors Strunk and White. It's about writing well and has been most useful to me. It was written a good few decades ago and is as relevant today as it's ever been.
@albertplumer
@albertplumer 2 года назад
Yada yada yada. Proles As myself should be warned ,since we are Cannon fodder , did the wealthy go to battle looking into a rearview mirror? The rich in western countries begrudge even the taxes required to pay for it. Memory of this still exists decades after. But eat well as you can. All do die .birth,life,death ; that's all a good life is.
@willsabol8391
@willsabol8391 3 года назад
If only this stuff was presented this way from the beginning, I may have actually read all those books in high school.
@liammurphy2725
@liammurphy2725 2 года назад
Sadly we all need some basic level of attainment regarding experience, that precludes children being seen as suitable recipients of this knowledge. But if their teacher has seen the philosophical light then the kids are in good hands.
@feedermonkey7233
@feedermonkey7233 2 года назад
It's not too late!
@willd.8040
@willd.8040 Год назад
Totally agree. I feel cheated, to be honest. I don't know how I am the same human being now at age 45, that I was when I was 16 or 17. But I still have time hopefully, and I'm going to choose one of the classics mentioned here, and order it. A lot of the blame lies with me, but I also feel that our schools also play a big role in not explaining these things the way the host of this video does. Maybe if they had explained it this way, I would have been more willing to read them. Better late than never, I guess.
@cokecan6169
@cokecan6169 Год назад
@@willd.8040 Good luck sir. I'm 24, out of college and just realizing I wasted a lot of my time. you give me hope it's not too late.
@SevenFootPelican
@SevenFootPelican Год назад
It’s hard in high school, I’ll be honest. It’s just something that comes with age, honestly. One thing leads to the next and you want to read all of the great works somewhere starting in your 20’s
@Oleander410
@Oleander410 6 лет назад
Kids, if you're seeing this and want to go to college (or if you're interested in doing graduate work on these books), check out the curriculum at St. John's College. They're still doing education the old-school way.
@CandidDate
@CandidDate 3 года назад
Could that be because they're an old-school?
@Templar112299
@Templar112299 3 года назад
Or Hillsdale
@georgewenberg3265
@georgewenberg3265 2 года назад
Good point. SJC's curriculum was changed ca early 1950's and based on the U of Chicago's Great Books. It's often called the Great Books school with a hands-on approach to learning the great ideas of the "Western world" and now "Eastern" studies have been added. -Class of '90 SF
@samaraisnt
@samaraisnt 2 года назад
Depends on what year you went there, curriculum changes year over year now, let alone over decades!
@alaakela
@alaakela Месяц назад
It's 2024. Thank you. This was fantastic. I have wanted to read the classics but didn't know where to start. Your lecture was an essential first step toward my goal. Thank you.
@elysium619
@elysium619 2 года назад
Such a well stated, compelling argument! And true! I took a year long survey course at university called Classic Literature, from ancient Greece to modern times. Everything Brenzel states is spot on. In spades. It was truly a profound experience in so many ways, so many lessons, insights and takeaways that informed and strengthened my hand. Takeaways which I referenced throughout my life. It's nothing short of tragic that universities have been, for some time, gutting liberal arts studies in favor of STEM to the effect of essentially turning universities into sites for vocational training.
@stndsure7275
@stndsure7275 7 лет назад
Every College student and 99% of those over 40 should watch this - we live in trivial culture in a distracted age. As if there is not enough choice - there is also an incredible list of translated Indo-Tibetan and Sino-Japanese texts now available.
@TheSpecialJ11
@TheSpecialJ11 2 года назад
It truly is an amazing but peculiar time to be alive. Never have we had more access to the heights of human aspirations, never have we had as many paths to be led astray on.
@liammurphy2725
@liammurphy2725 2 года назад
@@TheSpecialJ11 Follow the Stoics.
@PaulMacklinAmazing
@PaulMacklinAmazing Год назад
Brilliant!!! I’m discovering literature for the first time at 67 years old. This is gold.
@QFbGrEdut
@QFbGrEdut 2 года назад
I love this man's style. He goes straight to the point and that's something I value a lot. Thank you a lot for sharing this content!
@liammurphy2725
@liammurphy2725 2 года назад
I agree with you 100%. Not a wasted or useless word anywhere. Brilliant and engaging speaker.
@TheGodlessGuitarist
@TheGodlessGuitarist 2 года назад
I remember reading Thomas Paine's 'The Age of Reason' and being absolutely capitivated by it. Not so much for the arguments he was making but because of the language of the day and the sense that I was reading the words off the page as he wrote them. It was like someone in the 1700s was talking directly into my head through a wormhole.
@contemplativeidiot1
@contemplativeidiot1 2 года назад
The rights of man did the same for me.
@CptDangernoodle
@CptDangernoodle Год назад
Here are some other literary works that could be added to this list: The Epic of Gilgamesh (c. 2000 B.C.), an ancient Mesopotamian poem that is considered to be one of the earliest surviving works of literature. The Bhagavad Gita (c. 400-200 B.C.), a Hindu religious text that is an important part of Indian literature. The Book of Psalms (c. 1000-400 B.C.), a collection of religious poems from the Hebrew Bible. The Canterbury Tales (c. 1387), a collection of stories by the English poet Geoffrey Chaucer. Don Quixote (1605-1615), a novel by the Spanish author Miguel de Cervantes that is considered to be one of the greatest works of fiction ever written. Moby-Dick (1851), a novel by the American author Herman Melville that is widely regarded as one of the greatest American novels. Ulysses (1922), a novel by the Irish author James Joyce that is considered to be one of the most important works of modernist literature. One Hundred Years of Solitude (1967), a novel by the Colombian author Gabriel García Márquez that is widely regarded as one of the greatest novels of the 20th century. These works were chosen because they are considered to be classics of literature, and they are widely regarded as being important, influential, and enduring works of art. They are also notable for their literary achievements, and many of them are considered to be masterpieces of their respective genres.
@andrewdorie4010
@andrewdorie4010 Год назад
It’s a good thing you mentioned these obscure works. People tend to overlook them.
@CptDangernoodle
@CptDangernoodle Год назад
@@andrewdorie4010 Haha sarcasm noted.
@HuwenArnone
@HuwenArnone 2 года назад
Writing down references... everything changes when someone takes the time to even explain the chronology of thought and great thinkers/writers/philosophers. Thank you, Jeffrey.
@laerthe648
@laerthe648 7 лет назад
Thanks, Mr. Brenzel. Amazing lecture on the Classics. I started to get interested in classic education by myself after tumbling with Dante on a library and now I am discovering a new world by reading classic poetry and philosophy. The arguments and book tips in this video are really great.
@vapeangel2953
@vapeangel2953 2 года назад
The best decision I have ever made in my life was reading the 7 novels written by Jane Austen. Never have I understood myself as a young woman so well, I wish I could relive the first time I’ve read each one of those novels
@ObsoleteTutorials
@ObsoleteTutorials 2 года назад
Well now I must read these 7 novels. I do hope also to understand myself as a young woman as a man.
@ze_chooch
@ze_chooch 7 лет назад
This always pumps me up before I read a classic. Like the speech given at the Battle of the Pelennor Fields by Theoden, King of Rohan.
@kylereasterson5934
@kylereasterson5934 7 лет назад
ok
@TheGearPeddler
@TheGearPeddler 6 лет назад
You should do some reading and less posting.
@fmafan123456789
@fmafan123456789 6 лет назад
it was a shitpost dude lol. Have you guys not read LOTR? Chill.
@johndough6225
@johndough6225 6 лет назад
Everyone who responded negatively to this comment needs to get laid.
@julianblake8385
@julianblake8385 3 года назад
Arise, Arise, Readers of Théoden! BTW, all the negative comments are just resentful hunts (H=C) who have never read TLOTR.
@daheikkinen
@daheikkinen 3 года назад
I went to Hillsdale College. They have a rigorous Great Books program. It was a great educational experience overall. They have a lot of courses available online for free.
@zhangvict1
@zhangvict1 11 лет назад
The Apology, Crito, Meno, Symposium, Republic, Nicomacean Ethics, Antigone, Odeipus Rex, The Illiad, Genesis, Exodus, The Inferno, Confessions, City of God, Arabian Nights, The Epic of Gilgamesh, Leviathan, Les Miserables, War and Peace, Hamlet, Othello, Macbeth, The Borthers Karmazkov, Anarchy, State and Utopia, The Glass Bead Game, The Stranger, Ulysses and everything else I cannot think of that is amazing
@amazingheroart
@amazingheroart 2 года назад
You’re a wonderful presenter. Wish I was a Yale student with you as my professor. Im a Disney Artist, always looking for inspiration while I paint, and this is so well done. Thank you
@heatherfryling3453
@heatherfryling3453 9 лет назад
This is precisely why I've always worked to read and understand as many classics as I can.
@muanamuluba6684
@muanamuluba6684 7 лет назад
I really enjoyed watching this great video on Classical Education. I have read some of those books.
@ThinkBigAnimation
@ThinkBigAnimation 5 лет назад
I love how this video brought all its points together in the end
@nanjappa42
@nanjappa42 5 лет назад
Very absorbing talk. I have been actually following these ideas for over 50 years. I do not read newspapers, or watch TV or go to movies. I have not read a new novel in the last 40 years. I have found that the old true Classics make us better, wiser. As a student of Indian thought and philosophy, I find in Socrates and Plato kindred spirits. A true Classical work addresses universal human issues, there is neither East nor West. Socrates dealt with philosophy as a way of life, not a mere system of abstract thought. He lived his philosophy. This accords well with our own philosophy. Reading a classic has a therapeutic effect- it heals us in unseen ways. This is a matter of personal experience. I am happy about and thankful for this talk.
@kricketbx
@kricketbx 7 лет назад
I appreciated my "ways of knowing" philosophy course, but while reading some of the works-I became so anxious and a bit confused... Although the professor is great at explaining much of the elements-you really helped me to comprehend it all even more. Thank you-from the Bronx!
@kjekelle96
@kjekelle96 5 лет назад
"We shall not cease from exploration, and the end of all our exploring will be to arrive where we started and know the place for the first time." - T. S. Eliot In other words, the journey will prepare you to appreciate the destination. “Do not pray for an easy life, pray for the strength to endure a difficult one” - Bruce Lee
@maxdominate2481
@maxdominate2481 5 лет назад
Most of the books you'll need to follow Mr. Brenzel's advise have been collected for you already: 'The Great Books of Western Civilization'
@ziziroberts8041
@ziziroberts8041 2 года назад
I didn't know Greece was in the West.
@alisonarmstrong8421
@alisonarmstrong8421 2 года назад
Thank you! Your sane attitude and well organized information are more than ever of value now in 2021, 9+ years after your talk. I told a granddaughter that this is 2 years of college in 57 minutes...if only we will do the reading...
@noticias6111
@noticias6111 9 лет назад
The part where he says how you kind of have to be picky given the amount of ground possible to cover in a lifetime makes me thankful for channels like Wisecrack.
@EmperorOab
@EmperorOab 5 лет назад
Thug Notes all the way!
@starwbh1
@starwbh1 11 лет назад
This was very inspirational! All of the academic reading I've had to do for classes had dried up my interest in reading. However, this reminded me of why I used to love to read the classics.
@danchiappe
@danchiappe 2 года назад
I think it is essential to include Homer’s “The Odyssey” and “The Iliad” on any list of essential reads. Few books have been more influential and it is impossible not to run into allusions to these books in many of the works that followed.
@TeaParty1776
@TeaParty1776 2 года назад
I read both in 7th grade, immensely enjoyed them and knew that they were importantly different than Shakespeare and Silas Marner because they presented life as good and heroic. But the teacher was as dumb as a doorknob, with no wide perspective on art and life. We were required to memorize isolated facts with no organizing principles. Years later I read Ayn Rand's Atlas Shrugged, The Fountainhead and The Romantic Manifesto, her philosophy of art. My 7th grade self was right.
@leeroberts4850
@leeroberts4850 2 года назад
@@TeaParty1776 know if you read it anything and ran row and you thought that you were right when you were smarter than an adult before you hit puberty then you never actually learned how to be an intellectual you're still an idiot with confirmation bias
@TeaParty1776
@TeaParty1776 2 года назад
@@leeroberts4850 You evade judging my idea as true or false. Look out at reality, not inward. Focus your mind. The passive mind is the Devil's playground.
@TeaParty1776
@TeaParty1776 2 года назад
@@leeroberts4850 My ideas are factually true. Your ideas are...oh, wait, you have no ideas.
@TeaParty1776
@TeaParty1776 2 года назад
@@leeroberts4850 Thanks for confirming my bias.
@nicole-secondaryemail-mort9617
Ok, I think Prof. Brenzel said some excellent things at the end which I really connected with. Brenzel (@55min): "Here's my final thought and it's a deep paradox of learning. You don't necessarily know what you are looking for until you find it, and it's the effort of *finding* it that actually turns you into a different person..." [ie. what you learn from the journey or process of seeking, investigating, exploring... it's something which is best discovered yourself, as opposed to being taught/told, I guess] "...so when you finally do achieve a radical new perspective - when it's not just a matter of taking in bits of information and knowledge but it's a matter of changing how you put them together... it's a matter of changing who you are as a result... [you are] going to see yourself in a new light." A really valuable talk. THANK YOU so much.
@Ldj8395jebr4
@Ldj8395jebr4 11 лет назад
I was inspired until I read the comments section; now I just feel despair. Thanks Prof. for the motivating lecture! Especially the points on theology...
@micheallewele3130
@micheallewele3130 9 лет назад
this is Beautiful, well crafted , Genius and what we need, Thank You.
@2Oldcoots
@2Oldcoots 2 года назад
This is the most informative video I have ever watched on RU-vid. Thank you Dr. Brenzel!!! I have taken notes from the entire presentation and will read some of these classics.
@julieann1522
@julieann1522 3 года назад
Thank you for the talk Prof Brenzel. I really enjoyed listening to it.
@wibblegorm
@wibblegorm 11 лет назад
Utterly awesome lecture... I would love to take a college class with Brenzel as my tutor!
@jairosouza7994
@jairosouza7994 2 года назад
This lesson made me so much more motivated to seek for knowledge. I am a bit stuck in life these days. I have free time and a whole new world to explore but I am not using it properly as I wanted when I was busy, rushing to delivery work on time, rushing to not disappoint my boss and do not get fired. PS I left my job 3 years ago to go in endless voyage around the world in a seek for knowledge and adventure.
@drdavid62
@drdavid62 2 года назад
Great lecture! So happy I discovered this series from Big Think! Thank you Dr Brenzel for an enlightening affirmation of the incredibly valuable and often uplifting source of wisdom the Classics can be! This reminds me a bit of the ‘Great Courses’ series now available through Wi-Fi streaming services (for a modest subscription fee). Thank you Big Think as well for a great production!/
@econbusnlaw9246
@econbusnlaw9246 11 лет назад
Thanks for this video! This really change my way of thinking. I can't wait to get my hands on the great classics!
@user-qb3jg8ep9t
@user-qb3jg8ep9t 6 лет назад
Thank you, Big Think. This has really activated my almonds.
@hanscastorp66
@hanscastorp66 9 лет назад
These "old" books don't make you smarter, they make you more open-minded. How mich do we need them!
@martinesejour3361
@martinesejour3361 Год назад
Thank you so much for your recommendations and insight. I hope I'll be able to see more videos about how you extracted each concept and if you were able to apply them in your life daily.
@martini1179
@martini1179 11 лет назад
I really loved this lecture, especially the part talking about the five values of reading classic works, as well as the discussion of the five attributes that define what a classic work is. It really does help to elucidate the inherent importance of works that are considered classics. This lecture will go a long way towards encouraging me to seek classic works and to read them.
@SaturnElena
@SaturnElena 10 лет назад
this was beautiful, ty, I will start with plato
@Ears324
@Ears324 3 года назад
As much as there is some things I disagree with, that was a sincere delight to watch, thank you, very much!
@losthero0
@losthero0 2 года назад
Answering specific burning question I've had for years in a comprehensive format. Good man
@harmansingh3533
@harmansingh3533 2 года назад
This video just played randomly but he is such a great speaker that I had to listen to it till end plus it’s so full of knowledge. Thank you so much for making this kind of videos that internet really needs.
@pygmalioninvenus6057
@pygmalioninvenus6057 2 года назад
I am in my early 30s, an old man to some, a young man to others, and I am just now embarking on a personal and private classical education. I am beginning by studying Homer and the Bible and learning Latin, and I have never been more delighted.
@kostaftp
@kostaftp 2 года назад
Add some baroque background music to that mix. 👌
@darkpoetik5375
@darkpoetik5375 2 года назад
never too late to improve your life....
@lpslancelot05
@lpslancelot05 2 года назад
Most people don’t truly start living until they get into their 30’s. You’re a young man.
@willd.8040
@willd.8040 Год назад
Congratulations. It was around your age when my interest in learning all I could, really started, and at age 45 now, I've learned more on my own than I did in my four years of university. I just wish I had more time to dedicate to learning. I'm even going back to learn advanced algebra and then I will learn calculus. I've taught myself physics, electricity, computer coding, and now my next journey will be to read these classics. I wish you luck, and I hope that you're able to learn and appreciate as much as possible. It's one of the best things a person can do, in my opinion.
@pygmalioninvenus6057
@pygmalioninvenus6057 Год назад
@@willd.8040 You sound like a fascinating individual, I'd be happy to keep in touch.
@littlehouseinthebigapple5716
@littlehouseinthebigapple5716 3 года назад
I rarely “thumbs up” any RU-vid videos. OMG! I loved this so much! 🤘🏼🤘🏼🤘🏼I honestly want to watch more content from this guy. Any more vids from him out there?
@user-so6fh1bu9f
@user-so6fh1bu9f 8 месяцев назад
Outstanding presentation. Thank you from a 74 years old. I have been reading them (all 54) for over 50 years.
@Chatsdable
@Chatsdable 2 года назад
An absolutely brilliant presentation and talk. Thank you!
@rith5
@rith5 10 лет назад
Questions like what is the best life for a human presuppose there's 1 answer. There may be many equally fantastic ways to live.
@wibblegorm
@wibblegorm 11 лет назад
I read Dante's Inferno and Paradise Lost while at school and they taught me the value of viewing the world with a sceptical eye. I have those titans of philosophy: Dante and Milton, to thank for making up a a part of who I am today. I definitely plan to read the rest of this list throughout my life!
@TeaParty1776
@TeaParty1776 2 года назад
Classically educated, '60s rock singer, Marianne Faithfull, reads from Dante on, I believe, Blazing Away. An actress, too, she reads with profound meaning. "Midway thru life, I found myself lost in a wood."
@meylina8
@meylina8 11 лет назад
Thank you. This lecture leads to what I hope the answers to a lot of questions in my head. Now onto the journey of discovery.
@liammurphy2725
@liammurphy2725 2 года назад
5 months since my first view of this most engaging presentation. Very happy to see this again. Thank you to Big Think and The RU-vid algorithm.
@StavroginNikolai
@StavroginNikolai 11 лет назад
Agreed, I'm a programmer and also enjoy astrophysics and similar branches of science, pushing forward doesn't necessitate a disregard for the past, in fact a good understanding of the past makes imagining the future both more accurate and more fun.
@mariavq452
@mariavq452 10 лет назад
Very didactic lecture. It enlightens and clarifies important ideas. Thank you!
@keylimon
@keylimon 2 года назад
This was truly amazing and well put together, goodness. Thank you!
@Mursilia
@Mursilia 11 лет назад
Great thing i've found this video and channel! I was just looking for directions to start getting myself better educated, now i'm gonna get my sister's Dante's Inferno book hehe, many thanks!
@nehemiacalixte3289
@nehemiacalixte3289 4 года назад
I'm going to college this year, majoring in civil engineering and planning on minoring in classics!
@NodakBro
@NodakBro 4 года назад
As a 35 year-old I have to say I’m pretty jealous of your next 4+ years!
@ObsoleteTutorials
@ObsoleteTutorials 2 года назад
As a 32 year-old I'd like to say the same. I wasted my college years being so self-conscious.
@spatterspatter
@spatterspatter 9 лет назад
No, Thrasymachus doesn't "stalk off." He stays to hear the rest of the talk, and in fact insists later (in Book V, at 450a-b) with the others in the party that Socrates complete his promise to describe the Beautiful City he has been building in speech in response to Thrasymachus' definition of justice. Mr. Brenzel makes the unfortunately common mistake in assuming Thrasymachus leaves. Thrasymachus blushes when Socrates catches him out in a contradiction, and stays quiet for a while, but he's too interested in the discussion to simply leave.
@georgewenberg3265
@georgewenberg3265 2 года назад
Exactly so, as the representative of Tyranny and advocating justice as the advantage of the stronger, it seems it would be self-negating to just leave.
@LexAcademic
@LexAcademic 11 лет назад
Great lecture - very engaging! I agree with this advice. Thankfully I heeded it quite early on in my academic career.
@ennediend2865
@ennediend2865 2 года назад
Excellent very clear accent 😊👍 and speed , for non native speakers. Thank you very very much Monsieur Brenzel ! God bless you for the respect...
@petrovikdejan
@petrovikdejan 10 лет назад
I like the video it's almost perfect. I have only one thing to add as comment - the professor doesn't mention the eastern christian theologians from late antiquity although their work is essential.
@damillionmalania
@damillionmalania 8 лет назад
Finding out what's worth reading is a difficult task, and a lot of the concepts hidden in the books mentioned are well worth taking with oneself. I could add a few thoughts about reading the classics, but I will make do with the most important one: Remember that not all those gifted with the mind are as gifted with the pen. Some geniuses are lousy writers. Case in point: I have yet to meet the man or woman who enjoyed reading Hobbes Leviathan, but once you read it and unpack Hobbes ideas you realize they are still relevant and intriguing. In other words: sometimes the reward of reading old classics doesn't lie in the literary prowess of the authors. Endure and often you will be rewarded.
@danielfrei6213
@danielfrei6213 8 лет назад
+damillionmalania similarly, 20 variants of the quran in translation begs where to begin. but what a great project that would be! discuss the translation style with muslims of all stripes and get a year's learning out of it. as you said... buried treasure.
@marcelosantos2006
@marcelosantos2006 2 года назад
Very good video! Thanks for that professor, would love to have more ideas from classical books explained by you
@unorganizedArt
@unorganizedArt 6 лет назад
Always inspires me. Brilliant!
@aysoodaagh3167
@aysoodaagh3167 2 года назад
This was inspiring. I'm going to make my friends Watch it (((((:
@bobdillaber1195
@bobdillaber1195 2 года назад
I just recommend it to my daughter today after viewing it. I'm 81 and she's 54. Never too late.
@kjekelle96
@kjekelle96 5 лет назад
"It's the view!"
@bradchristy5002
@bradchristy5002 4 месяца назад
Exceptional “find” for me and my search into the classics. You encapsulated everything into your presentation to clear the trees so that I may ultimately see the forest! Thank you so much
@DaniaAsi
@DaniaAsi 9 лет назад
Thank you Dr. Jeffery . Will adjust my reading list!
@chescarino
@chescarino 8 лет назад
how do the kardashians fit in to all of this
@robreke
@robreke 8 лет назад
Essential watching. Reading the classics only after you've watched and studied all of the Kardashian TV shows. It's essential you get those fundamentals down first before tackling the less important classics.
@EnEvighet7
@EnEvighet7 7 лет назад
They are cancer, simply a distracting for the masses.
@Maranna95
@Maranna95 4 года назад
Hard to digest, but definitely giving us some different perspectives
@Mursilia
@Mursilia 10 лет назад
A year ago i watched this video for the first time. Since then i've had some shaking existencional crysis (that isn't necessarily a bad thing). I thank Big Think for this video. Just one thing bothers me a bit watching it now: Crime & Punishment by Dostoiévski isn't on the list.
@KevinGoehler
@KevinGoehler 10 лет назад
Where is the list?? :) Thanks.
@Mursilia
@Mursilia 10 лет назад
Kevin Gøhler He mentions it further on the video. If i'm not mistaken it's something like this: Oedipus Rex, The Republic, a book from Aristotle (can't recall the name), City of God, Summa Theologica, Dante's Inferno (The Divine Comedy), Paradise Lost, King Lear, War and Peace (though i'd put Crime and Punishment here as well).
@daddyleon
@daddyleon 10 лет назад
How does "Crime & Punishment by Dostoiévski" bother you?
@ryoushinchan
@ryoushinchan 10 лет назад
daddyleon Bothers him that he doesn't mention it, not the literary work having an affect on his person.
@LastariOo
@LastariOo 9 лет назад
I agree, I'm surprised Crime & Punishment wasn't mentioned.
@alonsosoto8883
@alonsosoto8883 3 года назад
Good morning Dr Jeffrey great expect sunrise and leasten your speech .Never late to learn. Thank you
@NestoriusAlpha
@NestoriusAlpha 7 лет назад
Wonderful! Thank you!
@leec4185
@leec4185 2 года назад
One can’t get a quality education at Yale, unlesss you’re satisfied with one side of every story.
@rlkinnard
@rlkinnard 2 года назад
so you think that the students are cowed. that they have no spunk. I don't think so.
@delancyj67
@delancyj67 6 лет назад
I would add classics from other cultures. The Prince by Machievelli and the Art of War by Sun Tzu are far more practical as operating philisophies than some of the books mentioned.
@vodkatonyq
@vodkatonyq 5 лет назад
The Prince is already one of the central political texts of WESTERN culture.
@michaelhebert7338
@michaelhebert7338 6 лет назад
An excellent lecture thanks for sharing.
@andripdn
@andripdn 4 года назад
Very great enlighment on youtube. Inspire me to read more classics. Thanks!
@a1no1x
@a1no1x 8 лет назад
I am so sad few people have watched this...
@marijanamilicevic6741
@marijanamilicevic6741 8 лет назад
+Steven Blancher That's because today a very small number of people the right to education and heavier because fewer people develop mental abilities. So sad for planet and future of humans
@hughtran5653
@hughtran5653 7 лет назад
Marijana Milicevic
@trenomas1
@trenomas1 Год назад
Don't just read western works, guys. There's a whole world out there.
@patagon6305
@patagon6305 2 года назад
A Highly compelling and envigorating exposition, Jeffrey. Thank you!
@NS-wo6ze
@NS-wo6ze 5 лет назад
Thank you, sir from Oxford. Your words resonate a truth which is timeless and inspiring.
@annaritarafaschieri7127
@annaritarafaschieri7127 7 лет назад
Speaking of women in philosophy: "Hypatia, often called Hypatia of Alexandria, was a Greek mathematician, astronomer, and philosopher in Egypt, then a part of the Byzantine Empire. She was the head of the Neoplatonic school at Alexandria, where she taught philosophy and astronomy. " From Wikipedia. Why doesn't she deserves to be quoted? -. - Especially as an example of intellectually realised women before and until Christianity struck to the core of equality destroying it!
@MagnumOpusYT
@MagnumOpusYT 6 лет назад
Anna Rita Rafaschieri Facinating
@Thewhiteboyulovewaree
@Thewhiteboyulovewaree 5 лет назад
Why does this involve Christianity many women are still known for example Jane Austen or Laura ingalls wilder? They were alive during Christianity and are still known for what they did and are known by many people.
@Thewhiteboyulovewaree
@Thewhiteboyulovewaree 5 лет назад
There is so many authors that you can’t quote all of them.
@knpstrr
@knpstrr 5 лет назад
I don't think she wasn't quoted because she is undeserving. Admittedly, I don't know much about her. However, did she contribute some novel ideas to these subjects? Just searching on Wikipedia it states: "Hypatia has been described as a universal genius, but she was probably more of a teacher and commentator than an innovator. No evidence has been found that Hypatia ever published any independent works on philosophy and she does not appear to have made any groundbreaking mathematical discoveries." It would be difficult to recommend reading greats works of a person who didn't create any said works.
@nickshel
@nickshel 5 лет назад
Your conceptualisation of Christianity is clearly very confused. It may be helpful if you were more specific. Are you referring to Roman Catholic Christianity? The irony here is that the Byzantine Empire was specifically Christian - indeed it was the principle it was founded on by Constantine.
@PeterStanton
@PeterStanton 11 лет назад
Here's the number one problem with a "classic" education as it is conceived of by most people in Europe and North America: It is astoundingly, staggeringly ethnocentric. I think reading some classics is great, but viewing them as the pinnacle of human knowledge is incredibly closed minded.
@vodkatonyq
@vodkatonyq 2 года назад
There are many works outside of the west which are included in the western canon: The Analects, Dao de jing, Upanishads, the poetry of Rumi, The Art of War, 1001 Nights, etc.
@PeterStanton
@PeterStanton 2 года назад
@@vodkatonyq "Many" looks like an incredible exaggeration to me. Look at the works mentioned in the video and in everyone's comments. Look at the curricula of colleges and universities. Please show me an example of a "classics" or "great books" program in Europe or North America that includes "many" non-western works. I'd love to see it.
@andrewgageable
@andrewgageable 2 года назад
Thank you for making and posting this most excellent lecture! I thoroughly enjoyed it, and I wish to a great degree that it had been available when I was in college.
@stromsrb
@stromsrb 2 года назад
I really felt overwhelmed around age 16 by the massive amount of material there is out there in classical and contemporary world literature. I'd say that feeling of having such insurmountable volume to soft through made it very challenging to learn like I was going to live forever. But the classics are a thread to follow, to be sure. Definitely agree with expecting more from what I read having become used to reading the best.
@MrJuot234
@MrJuot234 10 лет назад
If the King James Bible was published in 1614, how could John Milton's "Paradise Lost" influenced the bible in 1667?
@heatherrotz4679
@heatherrotz4679 10 лет назад
Yeah, he mentioned a few things that came out long after the bible was changed and claimed they influenced it. Those numbers don't work. Of course, he never claimed to be a math major.
@graemejmuir
@graemejmuir 10 лет назад
He was saying that it helped shape peoples ideas about heaven and hell and the devil, A lot of that stuff is not described in great detail in the bible itself.
@MrJuot234
@MrJuot234 10 лет назад
Yea I just started reading "Paradise Lost." I can see where it more than likely changed the Protestants church view on hell.
@fabriceizzo2922
@fabriceizzo2922 10 лет назад
The Bible has been rewritten and reinterpreted multiple times.
@MrJuot234
@MrJuot234 10 лет назад
Fabrice Izzo I am aware of that....
@myntydful
@myntydful 10 лет назад
begin was strong about socrates, plato and aristotle. But he lost me when his lecture started about christianity...
@teflonhav
@teflonhav 10 лет назад
"before Christ" quite the assertion.
@N_3.1415
@N_3.1415 10 лет назад
How is that? Myself being an atheist, I can't help but notice the impacts of Christianity on our philosophical paradigm. You can't think about, ponder, and put to perspective the things you don't know.
@cwolff
@cwolff 10 лет назад
***** thank you for saying this.
@mindofgod1543
@mindofgod1543 10 лет назад
It startled me, too. I can only conclude that he's religious as no religion has ever had a positive impact on our philosophical or moral foundations.
@N_3.1415
@N_3.1415 10 лет назад
Michael Harris The very fact that your statement is categorical makes it very easy to counter. To prove it wrong I could simply say that religion helped social cohesion in primitive societies. If you want to get into more details read a little Montesqieu (he's talking about the Roman's society, and basically says that the fear of God kept uneducated crows away from sudden bursts of passions -by that he means mass murdering each other or their rulers). In any cases, nothing is completely black or white, nuances and shades are part of the play. It is quite entertaining to actually explore them. Unfortunately the majority doesn't get it.
@MymindW
@MymindW 11 лет назад
The most amazing lecture .. thank you so much
@jcardenas48292
@jcardenas48292 3 года назад
I love the way the man speaks-many pauses and plenty of opportunities to take in his reason and logic.
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