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Jehovah's Witnesses Knocking on my door 

Javier Ortiz
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Two #jehovahswitness knock on my door on a Sunday morning and I try to ask them genuine questions that may conflict with their beliefs. To their credit, they indulged me and didn't just try to off-load some literature.
BTW, they've since returned but I wasn't home. I hope they'll chat with me again.
#watchtower #jworg #exjw #faith #religion #extj

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@Kaz-nv4bt
@Kaz-nv4bt Год назад
I live in Australia. I had involvement in the Royal Commission here. Am also related to Geoffrey Jackson of GB. My own little girl was victim of child sexual abuse by her father who has remained a JW to this day. The JW Elders, Circuit Overseers and others continue to refuse to do anything about it. This man at your door does NOT know the TRUTH about what truly happens in the JW Org as regards child sexual abuse!
@sueellenwardmyers9900
@sueellenwardmyers9900 Год назад
What would you like them to do about it?
@nineteen8486
@nineteen8486 Год назад
Stop bring a prat … jog on
@sueellenwardmyers9900
@sueellenwardmyers9900 Год назад
@@nineteen8486 ? . I want to know.
@HenriettaMRiley
@HenriettaMRiley Год назад
@@sueellenwardmyers9900 Ill start with something they can do. 1. Stop raping children 2. Protecting child rapists 3. Report child rapists. How about that?
@sueellenwardmyers9900
@sueellenwardmyers9900 Год назад
@Life With Nancia I don't think they have arresting powers.
@bobbyluckenbach
@bobbyluckenbach Год назад
I bet their car group was mad for holding up the mc donalds coffee break.
@delphinawhiles6235
@delphinawhiles6235 Год назад
Great comment only a jw or ex would get. But don't forget not all lost, u can still report it all on your report card at the end of the mth. Have uvever watched them at the carts in beautiful parks oveooking the beach or estrey. Wow so easy to put in a report at end of mth for chatting away with your ptner. People don't even notice them, mums with prams, people walking their dogs. It's a joke.
@azazelsgoat
@azazelsgoat Год назад
Yeah, elevensies would've started at lunchtime. 😃
@tniero3652
@tniero3652 Год назад
😂😂😂
@jeffmontalvo3352
@jeffmontalvo3352 Год назад
Great conversation! I woke up a year and a half ago. I've learned not to force my family into opening their eyes to this harmful cult. I try to encourage critical thinking. Unfortunately at 46 I've wasted most of my life to this Society/Organization.
@meloniesghost
@meloniesghost Год назад
You are not dead yet,my friend! Enjoy your freedom!
@JTScott1988
@JTScott1988 Год назад
Late is far better than never. Don’t beat urself up. U still have a life left to enjoy as u want!
@robinkishmiller2596
@robinkishmiller2596 Год назад
It's all a scam
@benjamindavey4782
@benjamindavey4782 Год назад
You never know, you could have another 50 years left- perhaps you're not yet half way. Enjoy life!
@ChristsFinishedworkonthecross
Jesus loves you!
@Sittingstraight12
@Sittingstraight12 Год назад
I am so freaking happy that I don’t have to do this BS anymore.. the door to door… witnessing crap!
@gabrielkoncowski1403
@gabrielkoncowski1403 Год назад
Hi the jw seem nice but they are not aware or bible educated .hope they researc
@susanpaine1513
@susanpaine1513 Год назад
I kind of enjoyed it when I was in. I wasn't regular though. Too bad we weren't telling people about Jesus.
@davidreda1211
@davidreda1211 Год назад
No kidding! After I walked away back in the late 80's, I realized that it's nothing more than selling a product, utilizing different sales tactics.
@tinahill2134
@tinahill2134 Год назад
JW is a horrible religion. So many people living double lives .
@pearlytiger564
@pearlytiger564 Год назад
Door-to-door isn’t even biblical on top of that. Jesus himself told his followers this in Luke 10:7.
@brettbarnett3465
@brettbarnett3465 Год назад
The memories of being forced to go door to door when I was 10 or risk losing what little privileges I had. Felt so bad for waking up all these working people who might have to use Saturday as their recovery day.
@coranford7463
@coranford7463 Год назад
You have nothing to be sorry for, you was a child and didn't get a choice in the matter. I wish you peace ❤
@ChristsFinishedworkonthecross
God bless you!
@user-vo4wc2jz8g
@user-vo4wc2jz8g Год назад
I would encourage any JW to read the entire back catalogue of their own literature. Then ask yourself, why would Jehovah allow his chosen people to write so many falsehoods - and sometimes hurtful and dishonest things for most of their 100+ year history?
@annafarago6527
@annafarago6527 Год назад
They are too brainwashed sadly
@Nica-Ra-Wata
@Nica-Ra-Wata Год назад
Why would a supposed "god" use a corporation a print shop to represent him...a print shop hiding as a religion for tax purposes that has WallStreet investments in pornography and cigarettes and weapons companies etc...
@gennaropannelli7138
@gennaropannelli7138 Год назад
Anchio vorre dire ai tg sinceri di porsi una domanda fondamentale, Se la bibbia e opera di di Geova ,perche non ci sono pervenuti gli scritti originali ,perche non li ha protetti ,non esistono piu ,ci sono pervenuti copie di copie tramandati dalla mano dell'uomo e non da Dio .da L'ITALIA SALUTI E BUONA VITA A TUTTI SECONDO I VOSTRI DESIDERI.
@sgloobal2025
@sgloobal2025 Год назад
You mean falsehoods such as people dying and going to a made up place called hell which many churches still teach?
@user-vo4wc2jz8g
@user-vo4wc2jz8g Год назад
@@sgloobal2025 no I don't think a literal hell is on that list, Russell taught Christian mortalism
@3rz-rhymesreasonsandwritte437
Well done sir. .. JWs are trained and sent out to lecture, not to listen. .. good on you for giving it such a good go. 🙂👍
@freedomparadisechick6564
@freedomparadisechick6564 Год назад
Great conversation!! Hope many honest witnesses can open their eyes! Mi family is still inside and I don't loose hope!
@MinecraftEnderStone1
@MinecraftEnderStone1 Год назад
Same! ❤
@cdcd4502
@cdcd4502 Год назад
Wish the audio was a bit better but still good. I remember that…. “ isnt the world bad?” script. Like you said, not every single thing is better, but overall its way better
@theworldlyspouse7853
@theworldlyspouse7853 Год назад
Good job.. Even though they appear to be fully invested into their faith, hopefuly what you said will be seed to gain their freedom from it.
@javierortiz8918
@javierortiz8918 Год назад
Wow! I'm shocked with the response to this video. Thanks everyone! This was an impromptu moment, but if they return, I'll try to capture better audio.
@matthewp9217
@matthewp9217 Год назад
Did you get authorization from these two men to post their faces online?
@javierortiz8918
@javierortiz8918 Год назад
​@@matthewp9217 (18 U.S.C. 2511(2)(d))
@matthewp9217
@matthewp9217 Год назад
@@javierortiz8918 lame.
@CarolineJoyAmico
@CarolineJoyAmico Год назад
Yep. One party state.
@azazelsgoat
@azazelsgoat Год назад
You're very patient. I used to be a JW and did this "work" for 35 years. When I get the opportunity, I'll ask them why they believe theirs is the true religion, and ask about the succession of governing body members since they were (supposedly) appointed by Jesus in 1919CE.
@Mongolicious
@Mongolicious Год назад
Remember when armagedon was supposed to come?? They keep pushing it up all the time.
@leeBoB4257
@leeBoB4257 Год назад
One for Azazel. Iam also an ex jw if you read the Proclaimers Book they speak about there history from Russell, when 1919 arrived and Rutherford TOOK OVER CONTROL OF THE BUSINESS, there wasn't a Governing Body or a Faithfull and Discreet Slave Class the was only a Board of 7 Directors. The So-called Governing Body or Faithfull and Discreet Slave Class didn't Appear until the 1970s, so how could God have chosen them. What I do know from being one myself is that no one checks anything they just believe and expect EVERYTHING they are TOLD , one of there favourite Scriptures is Proverbs 4:18 they use this to say that there understanding of the Scriptures gets Brighter, But if you read it in CONTEXT from verse 14-19 it's speaking about lifes PATH that you chose ether a WICKED ONE or a RIGHTEOUS ONE .
@azazelsgoat
@azazelsgoat Год назад
@@leeBoB4257 yeah the governing body was formed in the 1970's, but even before that Russel was viewed as the slave. All JW's must acknowledge that the GB is the FDS to be in good standing.
@Scott48-m7e
@Scott48-m7e Год назад
@@leeBoB4257 Rutherford is the founder not Russell
@leeBoB4257
@leeBoB4257 Год назад
@Scott Jackson Russell was the founder of the IBSA as his followers were known as up until the 30s when Rutherford wanted to eliminate anything in association with Russell so his masterstroke was to give HIS followers a Name JWs. Ps are you or were you a JW.
@caribbeanman3379
@caribbeanman3379 Год назад
These are key terms that JWs tend to use at the door: neighbors, world conditions, mankind, hope, future.
@ChristsFinishedworkonthecross
it's manipulation and mind control.. built to trap you by your feelings, and make you ready for a "new world order"/ new world system. It's a deceiving, spiritually dead, cult of satan that stops people from encountering the REAL JESUS, who gives you real freedom by His Grace alone!
@deeasztalos2520
@deeasztalos2520 Год назад
I HATED going from door to door.
@shomami921
@shomami921 Год назад
Me too it was torture
@joshkomape3407
@joshkomape3407 Год назад
With every heartbeat
@eriq54321
@eriq54321 Год назад
I think most of them do
@horus173
@horus173 Год назад
Luc 10 :7 Jésus a dit de ne pas allé de maison en maison
@rolandocantu6736
@rolandocantu6736 Год назад
I love going door to door my love for Jehovah and my neighbor motivates me to do it. I also love to do informal witnessing. Because of that I have helped many people to straighten up their ways and to live a happier and productive lives.The way of Jehovah and Jesus are the only way.
@Estee.Ar.6869
@Estee.Ar.6869 Год назад
Thanks Javier for sharing! If they only knew!!
@Frank-uz7qm
@Frank-uz7qm Год назад
The guy in the back patiently waiting to chime in at every tiny moment 🤣😂
@anthonymalfino1
@anthonymalfino1 Год назад
Hello Javier. You have woken many up thru you know who. I always appreciate your content man. Thank you for letting the community know you are still rocking. Miss you
@song113nomore9
@song113nomore9 Год назад
Excellent job all the way through. The bro in red became quiet and frozen when you did a great job bringing up the ARC. His wheels are turning now.
@kellyroland6109
@kellyroland6109 Год назад
I'm sure they needed a coffee break after that 😂
@davebenthimer4154
@davebenthimer4154 Год назад
I was a born in for 40 years never seen a witness go out and service without a suit jacket
@bellapuppies8749
@bellapuppies8749 Год назад
They should not be allowed to go door to door or go to the Kingdom Halls when they can attend meetings through phone or video calls. No excuse to expose children to these dangerous people.
@Chomper750
@Chomper750 Год назад
Silly. More kids are molested by school teachers than JWs, Catholic priests, etc combined.
@noedelvalle4639
@noedelvalle4639 Год назад
He’s being dishonest bc Jws HAVE to turn in their time. It’s not like they say it’s out of their heart they’re doing field service.
@song113nomore9
@song113nomore9 Год назад
Older dude lied multiple times about the JW belief about if you have to be a JW to survive Armageddon.
@ronandmelissa
@ronandmelissa Год назад
unless they softened up on it. lol i mean growing up you couldnt have blood transfusions. now if its "seperated" which is done a lot now , it is then allowed. plasma, red blood cells, platelets. makes no sense because its the same damn thing. Iu lost a grandpa in 85' due to not taking a blood transfusion. pisses me off that they "changed". same thing with smoking. in the 70's they had smoke breaks during meeting. christmas was allowed. etc they good people and all, but if you dont join, then they wont be friends with worldy people. they only care about you if you join. Jesus wouldnt have done that,
@anonymousu6398
@anonymousu6398 Год назад
The truth is Jehovah’s Witnesses state that you have to know the truth about God and Christ to survive God's day. To be Jehovah’s Witnesses is a choice. To learn about who God is and who Jesus is (John 17v3) is vital. Because if you are not paying attention, there is some serious ish going down in the West regarding religion, anyone who is not of whatever it is in the works, is deemed an enemy. So far JWs and some minorities are against this threat.
@song113nomore9
@song113nomore9 Год назад
Umm, read the literature. It’s in writing multiple times that only JWs will survive. If you disagree, you would have to take that up with the leaders, but then you will be branded an apostate.
@ronandmelissa
@ronandmelissa Год назад
@@song113nomore9 i grew up a JW and you are correct. they claim to be the ONLY ture religion and that you have to be one and believe everything they say to be on hte narrow path of life and everyone else even if they are nice and loving people will be on the wide path of destruction.
@anonymousu6398
@anonymousu6398 Год назад
@@song113nomore9 You seem to only read the title of their articles but not what was professed in them, and what the context of what is said. They believe all can be saved via learning of who God is and his Kingdom, as is who Jesus is, at least with that notion of truth, people can see why minorities differ from the mainstream, granted long before JWs, this was the case centuries ago.
@davidreda1211
@davidreda1211 Год назад
The logical flaw that elderly JW made was when he said that the elders thought in their naivete that they were doing what was right. Well, it's JW canon that you ALWAYS pray for God's direction. So, what happened with God's direction for the elders? Hopefully one day these 2 men will wake up.
@phoenixchick5088
@phoenixchick5088 Год назад
That 1 guys voice keeps making me think of Sean Connery. So glad u brought up Lot's daughters and that whole thing. That was the 1st wtf😮 thing I saw in the bible. His daughters really got the drop on him tho. They prob looked at each other, after Lot offered them to the angry mob, like wtf did dad just say?! Offer us up to be raped?! Ok bet, wait til we get outta here..
@phoenixchick5088
@phoenixchick5088 Год назад
Omg😂 he actually brought up sounding like Sean Connery
@CarolineJoyAmico
@CarolineJoyAmico Год назад
DEFINITELY a Scotsman!
@missdebrami6862
@missdebrami6862 Год назад
Last time they came to my house I asked a few questions and we had a lovely chat. They said they would return but never did. Guess they couldnt answer my questions lol.
@ripcord8738
@ripcord8738 Год назад
I've had discussions with people and promised to return but when I tried to call again, I was unable to catch them at home. Eventually, I stopped trying. So what were your questions?
@CarolineJoyAmico
@CarolineJoyAmico Год назад
@@ripcord8738I am in someone’s phone, and they’re in mine. I’m very surprised that they texted once, and disappeared. I was very excited to have them come in for lemonade and a chat. I love talking about religion. I plan to text them and just ask them (again) to come.
@MsSam805
@MsSam805 Год назад
This was great! I watched it twice. Thank you for this. You did awesome!
@WideAngleLuis
@WideAngleLuis Год назад
I was a ministerial servant and pioneered and hated morning service not only cuz of the early waking up but to disturb the peace of others. I mean after all we “carry Jehovahs name” a God of peace. So never understood early preaching. It’s stupid. I never converted anybody and I would spend hours every year for maybe 4 people to say “ok sure I’ll take your magazine” and then never be at the house again. Normally I would find anything apostate or any recording of the JWs disturbing and disrespectful but that was my training to think that way. This was very informative. Been awake for 2 years. If your reading this, always remember to treat Witnesses knocking on your door with respect for taking the liberty of waking up extremely early and have the balls to knock on a strangers door, we were prepared to find someone with a shotgun at the door and were nervous as hell all the time. And always remember to be extremely nice. I liked this video. This is how it should be. Be straight forward but nice about it. Witnesses are some of the humblest people on earth and it’s not their fault on what they are doing. It’s the Governing Body for hypnotizing them. They are under a spell so treat them kindly and just make them reason or question their beliefs, that’s it. It helped me because I was trained to reject any belief outside mines. It’s hard to wake up a witness but it can be done! Have a blessed day everyone!
@anonymousu6398
@anonymousu6398 Год назад
Believe it or not, there are some people wanting people to come to them to talk about thr Bible. The reason being is they're aware of what thr Great Commission represents and it connecting to the Messianic Age. Some of these folks are also aware of what is coming concerning what the governments have in store for the people, hence this wild beast JWs and many others talk about.
@maureen1234mc
@maureen1234mc Год назад
Oh Lord help us Allll!!!! So much confusion here on Earth,,,. 😮
@ChristsFinishedworkonthecross
see Matthew 24:23-27 for the warning against the false JW prophecy of Jesus coming back in 1917 that few witnesses dare to talk about. the whole JW organization.. it's manipulation and mind control.. built to trap you by your feelings, and make you ready for a "new world order"/ new world system. It's a deceiving, spiritually dead, cult of satan that stops people from encountering the REAL JESUS, who gives you real freedom by His Grace alone!
@robertfreeman6082
@robertfreeman6082 Год назад
Well done Javier for keep on asking if you need to become a JW to be saved from Armageddon. Their theology is a definite Yes (assuming you won’t die before the event in which case you are resurrected anyway) but they really didn’t want to say that and kept going back to “Jesus will know your heart and judge you )
@davidreda1211
@davidreda1211 Год назад
Right! They are saying that you need to be a JW to survive Armageddon without blatantly saying it! Check out the older issues of the Watchtower & Awake!, it's right there in black & white that ONLY JW's will survive Armageddon.
@tniero3652
@tniero3652 Год назад
When my brother and I were teenagers we would work together and pretend to ring the doorbells😂😂
@tniero3652
@tniero3652 Год назад
@@Scott48-m7e lol. Thanks for that!
@tniero3652
@tniero3652 Год назад
@@Scott48-m7e Do you?
@tniero3652
@tniero3652 Год назад
@@Scott48-m7e Oh ok.
@vincentcross9148
@vincentcross9148 Год назад
They can’t handle the actual “truth”
@ChristsFinishedworkonthecross
The whole JW system.. it's manipulation and mind control.. built to trap you by your feelings, and make you ready for a "new world order"/ new world system. It's a deceiving, spiritually dead, cult of satan that stops people from encountering the REAL JESUS, who gives you real freedom by His Grace alone!
@Frank-uz7qm
@Frank-uz7qm Год назад
I never noticed how much they listen to respond and not shut up and understand what's being said
@edwardscizrhnds
@edwardscizrhnds Год назад
Its creepy how the other brother with the sports jacket just stared at the guy giving his presentation. It's like damn bro are you good?
@nineteen8486
@nineteen8486 Год назад
Ex pioneer here . I always ask to study the bible with no literature … bible only … it never lasts long
@leeBoB4257
@leeBoB4257 Год назад
Nineteen 84 EX jw here, that's true they only know what there being Taught from the Watchtower mags or their Books and when studying their Books they called it a "Bible study", that is something that used to get up my nose. They don't do any REAL BIBLE READING or REAL STUDYING of the Scriptures for themselves if they did they would see that most of what there being taught is not true or taken out of context. One example is Jesus return at Matthew 24:23-27. Jesus FOREWARNED his followers about ones saying he would return "INVISIBLY" He is in the Wilderness (NOT SEEN) he is in the Inner Rooms (NOT SEEN) But he likens his RETURN to seeing the LIGHTNING where Everyone will SEE his SECOND COMING . This is just one of many Scriptures that are NEVER DISCUSSED whether in Books, Watchtower, or Talks Given from the platform.
@MarthaSalinas-y5i
@MarthaSalinas-y5i Год назад
This is an interesting an well documented. Great Example of the JWs not really knowing all the fact's of what is going on. An how mind control works. I was raised in an was thrown out of my house at 15 because I was the so call bad seed. I have an artist mind love music, an independent thinking for so long I was abused to sit in the kingdom Hall an listen to study it broke me to the point that I tried to communicate suicide.. at 15. Shunned from my family. I married at 16 just to have a home . He was not a JW an was a school mate he was kind an we where happy for awhile. But when you get married so young an after 15 year of marriage you realize it was a mistake. We grow apart divorced. I'm much older now . But being raised an indoctrinate in a cult. Like the witness was hard to let go of. During covid one of my relatives approach me an I tried to give it another shot. But it didn't feel right. My heart was not in it I looked up the history of JW. An boy it was crystal clear that it was not the TRUE Religion on earth. Jesus Christ is the way an only way to the glory in heaven 💕. Thank you so much 🙏
@anonymousu6398
@anonymousu6398 Год назад
I mean it is simply two random JWs with not much experience. If it was a Kathgar or a Stanford, who knows the Bible and even Christian history well then you have a challenge, granted, everyone who doesn't know Christian Primitivity, will lose.
@jeffpeff
@jeffpeff Год назад
The older JW kept trying to control the narrative.
@spideyjoe1
@spideyjoe1 Год назад
Awesome conversation! Well done
@trilithon108
@trilithon108 Год назад
Ask him why Tony Morris last month, spoke "as Jesus's mouthpiece (Governing Body)" but today is an ordinary guy schlepping down the street 🤔
@anonymousu6398
@anonymousu6398 Год назад
I don't think he said he speaks as Jesus' mouthpiece. Restorationists as a whole believe that God is their mouthpiece and will speak of God as prophets non inspired as those before them, i.e. Polycarp and Ignatius.
@davidh5403
@davidh5403 Год назад
Well handled Xavier!!
@davidevans9992
@davidevans9992 Год назад
"I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things." - Isaiah 45:7
@ricardooconnor2362
@ricardooconnor2362 Год назад
The word “evil” is not meant in the sense you’re taking it my man. The Hebrew word used here for “evil” is “ra,” and is never rendered “sin,” but rather “calamity, diversity, distress and trouble.” This “evil” is meant to be directed by God at the enemies of His People (The Israeli of old and the True Church of today) This scripture, Isaiah 45:7, also coincide with Isaiah 5:20 KJV [20] Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light, and light for darkness; that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter! While the first Scripture is God’s doing, the second one is man’s doing which never turns out to be good. 😊
@davidevans9992
@davidevans9992 Год назад
@@ricardooconnor2362 I'm not sure I know quite what you mean. I was responding to the brother's claim that God didn't create evil. God did actually create evil. "Ra" is evil in the absolute sense. Every kind of evil you can think of is called "ra" in Hebrew. That includes the irredeemable and out of control evil that was in the hearts of the people God simply had to destroy with the flood. The brother at the door might have talked about sin, but I wasn't addressing that, I was only addressing that point about the creator of evil. God is the creator of everything including evil. Satan did not create evil like the brother suggested. I'm not suggesting God causes people to sin, though, I'm just saying that God is the creator of evil not Satan.
@ricardooconnor2362
@ricardooconnor2362 Год назад
@@davidevans9992 God does not create ontological evil. He creates calamity which is sometimes translated as ‘evil.’ First of all, the Hebrew word for evil, rah, is used in many different ways in the Bible. In the KJV Bible, it occurs 663 times. 431 times it is translated as evil. The other 232 times it is translated as wicked, bad, hurt, harm, ill, sorrow, mischief, displeased, adversity, affliction, trouble, calamity, grievous, misery, and trouble. The word does not require that it be translated as evil. This is why different Bibles translate this verse differently. It is translated as calamity by the NASB and NKJV; disaster by the NIV; and woe by the RSV. Second, the context of the verse is speaking of natural phenomena. “I am the Lord, and there is no other; Besides Me, there is no God. I will gird you, though you have not known Me; 6 That men may know from the rising to the setting of the sun That there is no one besides Me. I am the Lord, and there is no other, 7The One forming light and creating darkness, Causing well-being and creating calamity; I am the Lord who does all these,” (Isaiah 45:5-7). Notice that the context of the verse is dealing with who God is, that it is God who speaks of natural phenomena (sun, light, dark), and it is God who is able to cause “well-being” as well as “calamity.” Contextually, this verse is dealing with natural disasters and human comfort issues. It is not speaking of moral evil; rather, it is dealing with calamity, distress, etc. This is consistent with other scriptures. For example, “And the Lord said to him, “Who has made man’s mouth? Or who makes him dumb or deaf, or seeing or blind? Is it not I, the Lord?” (Exodus 4:11). “Shall a trumpet be blown in the city, and the people not be afraid? shall there be evil in a city, and the LORD hath not done it?” (Amos 3:6). Also, take note that Isaiah is presenting contrasts. He speaks of “light” and “darkness,” “well-being” and “calamity.” The word “well-being” in Hebrew is the word for ‘peace,’ “Shalome.” So, in the context, we are seeing two sets of opposites: Light and dark, peace and non-peace, or well-being and calamity. The “evil” that is spoken of is not ontological evil, but the evil experienced by people in the form of calamity.
@lisapearson6455
@lisapearson6455 Год назад
Verses 5-10 There is no God beside Jehovah. There is nothing done without him. He makes peace, put here for all good; and creates evil, not the evil of sin, but the evil of punishment. He is the Author of all that is true, holy, good, or happy; and evil, error, and misery, came into the world by his permission, through the wilful apostacy of his creatures, but are restrained and overruled to his righteous purpose. This doctrine is applied, for the comfort of those that earnestly longed, yet quietly waited, for the redemption of Israel. It does not imply that God crests evil,
@davidevans9992
@davidevans9992 Год назад
@@lisapearson6455 I'm not so sure; that's not what the verse says. If you could show some scriptures that support that interpretation, I'll think about it. Until then, I'll just take God at his word. I'm actually glad that God is the one who creates evil - I'd be pretty worried if Satan was a creator.
@steveandsherilyn7543
@steveandsherilyn7543 Год назад
I was a JW for most of my life until I woke up in 2018 and that scripture he mentioned in Luke and the parallel account in Matthew was always used as positive proof that we are living in the last days because after talking about wars in general it goes on to say nation against nation and kingdom against kingdom, which, according to their theology was a huge shift going from bad to worse which was then linked to WWI and WWII, the world wars being evidence that we are in the last days of the last days. Really, there have been constant wars through the millennia, so I think he was just saying there will be lots of wars which would increase in magnitude before the end, that’s it! As time as progressed and the human population has increased and the world has got more connected it makes sense that wars will go from families against families, tribe against tribe, kingdom against kingdom, empire against empire, to entire nations against nations, it’s inevitable and progressive. In other words, Jesus was saying the end is in the distant future. They all thought it was immanent and going to happen at that time. It’s true that WWI and WWII were different in scope, but there have been more wars since then, as there still are today. Who’s to say, God forbid, that there won’t be another world war. According to scripture, there will be a notable cry for peace and security first and the anti Christ will be revealed for all to see. The witnesses are right that in some aspects the world has got worse, but in other areas there have also been improvements too. The problem with the witnesses is that they have put themselves on a pedastel and tried to elevate themselves above all other faiths, making out that they alone understand the Bible and God himself for that matter, and use world events to shoe-horn their beliefs. But when you look back at their doctrinal history that they are trying so hard to hide, it’s plain to see that they are no different from other religious denominations with their erroneous narratives and false predictions. They claim to be “The Way”to get accurate knowledge and Gods approval, they claim to posses “The Truth” in their way of worship and the only path to “The Life” that Jesus promised - The Way, The Truth and The Life, (John 14:6). So they have placed themselves in the shoes of Jesus, or, put another way, they see themselves as the mediator between mankind and Jesus! My opinion is that an organized religion is not needed to gain salvation in and of itself. In many cases religions and their practices have been the cause of some people losing faith altogether. Faith in Jesus IS required, along with works that prove such faith, in other words living in harmony with Christian values to the best of our ability. Faith and works go hand in hand, works alone cannot gain salvation as shown in Ephesians 2:8,9, neither can faith alone, as seen by James. 2:14,17. That’s not to say it’s not good to fellowship together, in fact, the Bible encourages us to do that (Heb 10:25). The early Christians used to meet together in homes and even organized it with elders and ministerial servants who took the lead. But there’s a world of difference between meeting in homes and setting up an international organization. When we review the history of organized religion, and even now, we see a mingling of politics, corrupt religious leaders, land grabbing, tyranny, persecution, wars, divided families, false predictions, divisions between simple, hard working people and church hierarchy, greed, obligatory contributions, spiritual, mental, emotional and sexual abuse, forced devotion, and on and on and on. As far as I’m concerned, organized religion is a large part of our worlds problems, not the solution, including the Watchtower Bible & Tract Society. There is only one solution, simple, uncomplicated and guaranteed, - genuine faith in Jesus Christ and works that come as a by-product of that faith.
@Scott48-m7e
@Scott48-m7e Год назад
We get our reward by our good works but not because he owes us
@karenmoody2763
@karenmoody2763 Год назад
Reading the bible cover to cover makes me think God of the bible is the God of war ,Satan his self ,look at all the rape ,murder , enslavement that is promoted by God . Listening to Billy Carson and Jordan Maxwell really opened my eyes to the true nature of the bible .Imo the Romans wrote the bible, created Jesus ,all to control mankind and it's worked.
@keeley6430
@keeley6430 Год назад
The Scottish man.... "Heres the thing" 😂😂 how many times does he say this 😂
@KYYankey
@KYYankey Год назад
I'm SO glad i'm free from this occult!!! There is a God but it's Jehovah.
@ChristsFinishedworkonthecross
see Matthew 24:23-27 for the warning against the false JW prophecy of Jesus coming back in 1917 that few witnesses dare to talk about. the whole JW organization.. it's manipulation and mind control.. built to trap you by your feelings, and make you ready for a "new world order"/ new world system. It's a deceiving, spiritually dead, cult of satan that stops people from encountering the REAL JESUS, who gives you real freedom by His Grace alone!
@richarddiffley796
@richarddiffley796 Год назад
This guy wasted a lot of time out of his life.
@catholicfaithofmine2664
@catholicfaithofmine2664 Год назад
Yes is this honestly the best career choice?
@TheSilverBeagle
@TheSilverBeagle Год назад
Shrek and Donkey on a whirlwind adventure!
@meloniesghost
@meloniesghost Год назад
They have an absurd answer for everything...Like dealing with MAGA folk.
@seansrecords
@seansrecords Год назад
Its crazy to hear the logic (or lack of) - you tell him things are better now and he says - 6 people were killed in an incident so statisticians disagree with you (no quote or reference - just a vague statement) - what a leap . . i used to say things like this as a teen , feels embarrassing now. The Scottish brother reminds me of so many elders , so sure of himself , dismissive of everyone else's opinion, he is only listening to prove you wrong or to get his next scripture in. Well played , you spoke well. I always get to argumentative and think of what i should have said later . No witnesses call at my door anyway as they know where i am and think i am an apostate . . .
@jebidiahkorn
@jebidiahkorn Год назад
the subtext is: come contribute to us financially and in return we'll give you a solid, clean social group
@LarryButler-kp3se
@LarryButler-kp3se Год назад
My opener is "Watch 'Caesar's Messiah'. I dare you." When they refuse, our meeting is over.
@EXJehovahsWitnessesTestimonies
*When I see videos like these I get goose bumps. Literally, because in the thousands upon thousands of times I went door to door, I can count on one hand the number of times I encountered a dedicated defender of the Christian faith. And in those few encounters, I was never preached the true gospel of Jesus Christ. Please if you are born-again, please take the time to preach the true gospel from scripture. My old Witness self would be no match to the born-again person I am today. Glory to God. I say that in the most humble and respectful way possible. And I would only enter this area if the Witness attempted to preach a false teaching as bait. Otherwise, I would humbly preach the true gospel and leave it at that. If it is God's will, that seed will in time grow and hopefully bring them to repentance. God's will be done always. Amen.*
@ChristsFinishedworkonthecross
i have two JW friends i try to witness to.. and i understand now that the whole JW organization.. you know.. it's manipulation and mind control.. built to trap you by your feelings, and make you ready for a "new world order"/ new world system. It's a deceiving, spiritually dead, cult of satan that stops people from encountering the REAL JESUS, who gives you real freedom by His Grace alone!
@rogerkirkpatrick5256
@rogerkirkpatrick5256 Год назад
@Javier Ortiz, these men love to hear themselves talk. Trouble is, they did an awful lot of talking without ever telling you what they as Jehovah's Witnesses actually believe. Why? Because they know that you would be completely put off by the Watchtower teachings they have embraced as "the truth." See the following comment.
@canoenut
@canoenut Год назад
Thanks for sharing, Javier. Is there any news about the TATT?
@doubtingthomas736
@doubtingthomas736 Год назад
59.29!!!!! 😲😱😡... To quote Father Jack Hackett from Father Ted... "Feck off" .... Sorted!
@alicedeen720
@alicedeen720 Год назад
I love the Jehovah's Witnesses coming to the door, such a fun way to spend 30 minutes. These guys assume a deity to start with. Plus they assume it's their deity. lol They are so much fun. The last two went away with homework from me to look into and they never came back. Their best answer for proof of a god was to say 'Look at the trees' !!
@dogsdroolllquinavancepasre6756
That man actually said that a little girl could be making up being molested by a man in the congregation. A child does not have those thoughts!!! A child could not make up something like that. Of course all ch!Id molesters would be happy to admit their deeds to the elders. 🤔😖
@Scott48-m7e
@Scott48-m7e Год назад
But the parent does
@dogsdroolllquinavancepasre6756
Don’t JW’s believe that the angels protect them? Why, in Lot’s case did he have to protect the angels? They’re apparently invisible creatures that help JW’s in the ministry, but in Lot’s time they were material. What made them more valuable than Lot’s daughters especially since “they needed to carry on their father’s bloodline”? Isn’t that why they got their father drunk and got pregnant 🤰 by him? Wouldn’t sex with the angels have caused Nephelim beings, likely causing the death of his daughters because of the size of the child? According to other ancient texts the mother’s belly would explode. This whole scenario is mind boggling, but because it’s in the Bible, it’s okay.
@Scott48-m7e
@Scott48-m7e Год назад
Psalm 91 is about protection
@anonymousu6398
@anonymousu6398 Год назад
There is context to it. The angels who have relations with women on earth were sent to Tartarus. These angels were later referred to as fallen or in some translation, demons, who rebel against God. Said angels had nothing to do with Lot's daughters, for the angels in that narrative came to Lot, prior Abraham, to give warning about what is about to go down in Sodom and Gomorrah. Angels appeared more in the OT because, everyone was under the Old Law and there is no completion of Scripture. The New Law began around 33AD, and the Bible completed close to thr death of thr last Apostle, John. His students, like Polycarp also cited the same thing about angels and ministry but since then angels did not martialize. Although demons are a spiritual threat, there were instances of people seeing manifestations in some parts of the world, which, in of itself, is creepy stuff you don't want to dig deep into. Remember not all demons got cast into Tartarus, some of these linger, by manifestation to the unsuspected or influence.
@petertherock7340
@petertherock7340 Год назад
My first question would be, “You’re here on a Saturday morning at my door uninvited to talk to me about religion and world history? 😂”. I would ask them if they are willing to have a sensible discussion at a later time that is scheduled…? 😊
@IsaiahEastling
@IsaiahEastling 3 месяца назад
I would ask if I could come to their house and stand on their porch and tell them how fake and false their bible and religion is
@chucalux99
@chucalux99 Год назад
same old story, we just out in the hood, world is ending, we here to talk about paradise your gonna die, we own the keys to the kingdom blah blah 1914 Jesus chose us only we special, join our cult
@davidmulcahy6575
@davidmulcahy6575 Год назад
dude excellent argument, the scottish JK is pretty good too just subed
@ambervisions
@ambervisions Год назад
Sodom and Gamora was destroyed because of how they treated strangers. Not because they were degenerate.
@suzannep
@suzannep Год назад
couldn't handle listening too long because it brought back memories of being forced to go to peoples doors like that, but the part I did make it through made me think about how JW and other religions never stop to notice that many of the bad things still happening are a direct result of them still existing and trying to push their thousands of years old ideas onto everyone else. If people stopped believing in these religions that would instantly stop a huge amount of the problems. (side note, all those questions they ask will go into a report about your house, they write down who lives there how many kids names if they get them, if there are dogs and so on, so I recommend not telling them anything you don't want written in a report that others might see, I'm not sure what country this was in but some countries have ban them from writing things down like that thankfully)
@anonymousu6398
@anonymousu6398 Год назад
If religon fails, you will unknowingly adhere to what will come 2025 and beyond. No faith or hope will be traded in for servitude to a system without notice.
@williameramsey1896
@williameramsey1896 Год назад
These sick people have an excuse for everything!!!!
@ChristsFinishedworkonthecross
see Matthew 24:23-27 for the warning against the false JW prophecy of Jesus coming back in 1917 that few witnesses dare to talk about. the whole JW organization.. it's manipulation and mind control.. built to trap you by your feelings, and make you ready for a "new world order"/ new world system. It's a deceiving, spiritually dead, cult of satan that stops people from encountering the REAL JESUS, who gives you real freedom by His Grace alone!
@PrettyCraftD
@PrettyCraftD 4 дня назад
they ask the guy "do you really think God would create evil" and rebuttal with a quote saying these evil things must happen. Make it make since
@agentclol
@agentclol Год назад
Literally all the things they initially mention that are bad in the world, Jesus said that those things are necessary and have always been happening, but that “the end is not yet.” I have JW friends and man it’s hard to convince them of anything even if it’s plain and obvious in Scripture. Nonetheless, I love my JW friends but I pray their eyes and hearts would be opened and changed.
@Scott48-m7e
@Scott48-m7e Год назад
Worship one God not three
@agentclol
@agentclol Год назад
@@Scott48-m7e Athanasian Creed: 3. And the catholic faith is this: That we worship one God in Trinity, and Trinity in Unity; 4. Neither confounding the persons, nor dividing the substance. 5. For there is one Person of the Father, another of the Son and another of the Holy Spirit. 6. But the Godhead of the Father, of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit is all one, the glory equal, the majesty co-eternal. 7. Such as the Father is, such is the Son and such is the Holy Spirit. 8. The Father uncreate, the Son uncreate, and the Holy Spirit uncreate. 9. The Father incomprehensible, the Son incomprehensible, and the Holy Spirit incomprehensible. 10. The Father eternal, the Son eternal, and the Holy Spirit eternal. 11. And yet they are not three eternals, but one eternal. 12. As also there are not three uncreated nor three incomprehensibles, but one uncreated and one incomprehensible. 13. So likewise the Father is almighty, the Son almighty, and the Holy Spirit almighty; 14. And yet they are not three almighties, but one almighty. 15. So the Father is God, the Son is God, and the Holy Spirit is God; 16. And yet they are not three Gods, but one God. 17. So likewise the Father is Lord, the Son Lord, and the Holy Spirit Lord; 18. And yet they are not three Lords, but one Lord. 19. For like as we are compelled by the Christian verity to acknowledge every person by himself to be God and Lord; 20. so are we forbidden by the catholic religion to say: There are three Gods or three Lords. 21. The Father is made of none, neither created nor begotten. 22. The Son is of the Father alone; not made nor created, but begotten. 23. The Holy Spirit is of the Father and of the Son; neither made, nor created, nor begotten, but proceeding. 24. So there is one Father, not three Fathers; one Son, not three Sons; one Holy Spirit, not three Holy Spirits. 25. And in this Trinity none is afore, nor after another; none is greater, or less than another. 26. But the whole three persons are co-eternal, and co-equal. 27. So that in all things, as aforesaid, the Unity in Trinity and the Trinity in Unity is to be worshipped. 28. He therefore that will be saved must thus think of the Trinity.
@agentclol
@agentclol Год назад
@@Scott48-m7e in conclusion, we hold the position that in the Trinity, God is ontologically one, manifest in 3 persons, whom differ only in their eternal personal origins. The Father is uncreated, not begotten or preceding, the Son is uncreated and begotten, not preceding, and the Holy Spirit is uncreated, not begotten, but is proceeding. The Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit all share the same being (ontology), mind, and nature. Therefore, we worship one God (ontological claim), and three persons (differing only in personal origins). It would be unfair or a misunderstanding of what we believe to suggest we worship more than one God. Rather, we worship one ontological being, God.
@Scott48-m7e
@Scott48-m7e Год назад
@@agentclol the father is not the son that is polytheism
@agentclol
@agentclol Год назад
@@Scott48-m7e As Orthodox Trinitarians we do not believe that the Father is the Son, you're thinking of sabellianism or modalism, a heresy that the Church has historically rejected. As what I cited in our creeds writes, we neither confound the persons nor divide the substance of the Triune God. "So there is one Father, not three Fathers; one Son, not three Sons; one Holy Spirit, not three Holy Spirits."
@Mantiscular12
@Mantiscular12 Год назад
Think they have some blooming nerves knocking on my door.
@xjdub3824
@xjdub3824 Год назад
"Have you ever wondered why you deserve to die and we don't?"
@barneshomestead1240
@barneshomestead1240 Год назад
Well I had a pastor one time who delivered his favorite punch line to them...that he was one too. That God was his Jehova & he was his witness! lol
@robertfreeman6082
@robertfreeman6082 Год назад
At about 8:24 did the guy with the Scottish accent lump lump in Zoroastrians in with Catholics and other Christian denominations as all praying to the same god ?
@dand1186
@dand1186 Год назад
Useless conversation same script different day
@ChristsFinishedworkonthecross
see Matthew 24:23-27 for the warning against the false JW prophecy of Jesus coming back in 1917 that few witnesses dare to talk about. the whole JW organization.. it's manipulation and mind control.. built to trap you by your feelings, and make you ready for a "new world order"/ new world system. It's a deceiving, spiritually dead, cult of satan that stops people from encountering the REAL JESUS, who gives you real freedom by His Grace alone!
@JWuntoldtruthAustralia
@JWuntoldtruthAustralia Год назад
Many things they said goes against what their leaders Governing Body tells them.
@peterbunyan3924
@peterbunyan3924 Год назад
They are wasting their lives and others for cult leaders in America, a sad lot.
@Anonymous-ik5fh
@Anonymous-ik5fh Год назад
Need more like them instead of funding things that aren't there
@shunnednon-membercopperfel6843
This guy is full of it!!
@davidmontano3223
@davidmontano3223 Год назад
Awe man, the ptsd is real 🥲 I used to haaaaate doing this.
@ChristsFinishedworkonthecross
Glad you're free!!
@davidreda1211
@davidreda1211 Год назад
These 2 "brothers" are woefully naive. They would be shocked to their core if they ever found out what goes on behind the scenes at some JW gatherings. Let's just say that there are a number of "Jack" Witnesses that are still in positions of authority in the religion.
@davebenthimer4154
@davebenthimer4154 Год назад
He's not wearing a suit jacket are these real Jehovah's witnesses
@joeyburrell3207
@joeyburrell3207 Год назад
I have noticed the increase in aggressive drivers who ride your rear as if to say get out of my way and other very aggressive stunts. The answer to that could be simply explained that if a population increases, you have increases in stupid and bad people ofcourse. No big mystery there. Just that simple! If the world back at any time period had the population we have today, or in the days and years gone by than that previous period would amount to about the same amount of trouble we’re experiencing. Ofcourse advancement in technology has factored in also today, but still , considering that, yours so right that actually many things have really improved. They do like all politicians do all the time by taking facts and spinning it in such a way to make their point, to fit their agenda. The facts in themselves may be true, but the real picture can be distorted and skewed by all the spinning. They have cleverly used these techniques to deceive and manipulate since they’re inception back in Russell days. It’s clear to see why they have always discouraged a college education. They know that can greatly increase the persons rationalization abilities. They call it critical thinking and it’s discouraged. The irony of course is that in life plans we do need to think critically. We don’t get second chances. Besides, that is part of the process even used in moral issues and standards. So apparently God intended for us to use it. And to prove my point, just recall what the Boreans did when Paul preached to them. They just didn’t take his words for something, they researched to prove it so to themselves. Acts 17:11. Now imagine them only researching Paul’s words, and comparing them with scripture. 😳
@esthercharalambous2865
@esthercharalambous2865 Год назад
Have these people never heard of FORENSIC EVIDENCE??? Dont need a witness with forensic evidence.
@davidmulcahy6575
@davidmulcahy6575 Год назад
JK I meant JW of course and he sounds like Sean Connery
@dankirkman
@dankirkman Год назад
Add captions. The audio is unclear
@christian.comedy.channel.2
@christian.comedy.channel.2 Год назад
Javier, I wished that you gave the congregation which visited you, as that hurts the Watchtower far more than anon videos with no context. It's easy to work out in whose territory these JWs are from. I've got over 100 American discussions with JWs on zoom uploaded to my American JW playlist, as well as over 2,300 British videos in playlists by UK geographic locations.
@carleneheiskellhall5709
@carleneheiskellhall5709 Год назад
He should be showing his bible to the home owner, not from his phone..they now use iPads at the meetings and not there bibles..IV quit attending because if that very reason...Jehovah gave us a book not a phone...
@sequoias
@sequoias Год назад
i totally agree with u. also, these jws would not let him speak. he was so patient with them. thank u so much for this video.
@AzzBackwards
@AzzBackwards Год назад
No he gave us scrolls, catholics compiled the books into the bible
@Scott48-m7e
@Scott48-m7e Год назад
@@AzzBackwards no he gave us prophets
@laymanphil8513
@laymanphil8513 Год назад
To constantly say that the "END" is imminent is not a mistake but a lie continually updated for decades and decades. It is only the fundamentalist movements that say that the "END" is imminent. The Watchtower promised my grandfather that he would not grow old in this system and that he would see heaven in his lifetime. Despite this false promise, the Watchtower persists and reiterates its promise by telling my father that he will not grow old in this system and that he will see paradise in his lifetime. After more than 140 years of false promises, this same company promises me today that I will not grow old in this system and that I will see paradise in my lifetime. Fortunately unlike in the past, today more and more JW parents are waking up and no longer want to infect their offspring with the Watchtower's false promises. Breaking the vicious circle of this transmission will allow all our beloved children to no longer be indoctrinated by this toxic propaganda which only obscures all natural aspirations of children to project themselves into the future. "The world in the year 2000, I see it transformed into a pretty paradise, I think that the current world and its leaders will not succeed in reaching this period..." Awake 11/08/86 p 8. In 1960 many JW gave up going to higher education in order to work more for the Watchtower society because the “END” was imminent. Many JWs never put money aside for retirement because they weren't supposed to age in this system. Many parents did not want to have children because the great persecution was imminent. Everything is false. This cult is a poison that transforms JWs into docile zombies in the service of a real estate company that has been in for more than 140 years.
@lorettahines7936
@lorettahines7936 Год назад
Write a book about your JW experiences!!
@meloniesghost
@meloniesghost Год назад
Ask em about Job..God did Job dirt because Satan taunted him..Sounds like trump.
@ChristsFinishedworkonthecross
the message of Job is one much deeper than you think.. Job was only trusting in himself to do enough works to be good enough for God's love, but God told both him and satan a lesson, that God gives and protects only out of His own Love, and now that we do, or don't do. And he understood it in the end, and he got doubly blessed. read the text more thoroughly, and rid yourself of your atheistic, ignorant tendencies
@meloniesghost
@meloniesghost Год назад
@@ChristsFinishedworkonthecross its still stupid.
@bobg676
@bobg676 Месяц назад
Heres the thing...😢
@meloniesghost
@meloniesghost Год назад
I kinda feel bad for them.They are so brainwashed..
@unclesalty7778
@unclesalty7778 Год назад
Definitely! It’s been a very well thought out Agenda!
@ChristsFinishedworkonthecross
see Matthew 24:23-27 for the warning against the false JW prophecy of Jesus coming back in 1917 that few witnesses dare to talk about. the whole JW organization.. it's manipulation and mind control.. built to trap you by your feelings, and make you ready for a "new world order"/ new world system. It's a deceiving, spiritually dead, cult of satan that stops people from encountering the REAL JESUS, who gives you real freedom by His Grace alone!
@damien2339
@damien2339 Год назад
How was it a "great conversation" as a lot of commentators say? Keep in mind that those people use a falsified Bible to fit their doctrines, and unless they agree to use the King James version - and they won't - there is no conversation possible with those cult members. Period.
@unclesalty7778
@unclesalty7778 Год назад
Very easy to shut them DOWN! Ask them! Show me a scripture where Jesus called God Jehovah or Yahweh or by any other name?
@youllplotzfilms5917
@youllplotzfilms5917 Год назад
They were 2nice people
@amircoolboy100
@amircoolboy100 Год назад
Juat like salesmen.. give and take untill you give up
@IsaiahEastling
@IsaiahEastling 3 месяца назад
Is this Australia?
@johnwanless1905
@johnwanless1905 Год назад
They got there hour in done fore the month
@ianmoffet5080
@ianmoffet5080 Год назад
Was that guy Irish?
@elizabethyoung4900
@elizabethyoung4900 Год назад
@ Ian Moffet Scottish
@salt1956
@salt1956 Год назад
I couldn't hear what anyone was saying .
@IsaiahEastling
@IsaiahEastling 3 месяца назад
Guy in the back thinks hes so tough. I look it up. I go ask one of the leaders I worship and bring you back a literature with lies
@leeBoB4257
@leeBoB4257 Год назад
Questions for the Brothers was he rightly disposed for ever lasting life and did he have the right hart condition.
@justmadeit2
@justmadeit2 Год назад
One of those men is Scottish
@jeffpeff
@jeffpeff Год назад
1 Cor. 15:22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive. End of story.
@Scott48-m7e
@Scott48-m7e Год назад
Paul die daily clearly not literally true
@tonyfernadez472
@tonyfernadez472 Год назад
Lol that was me
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