Jesse Ventura - Why I Left Verne Gagne & Why the AWA Didn't Last

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This is from the exclusive Jesse Ventura shoot interview! Find out what former WWF (WWE, WWWF) star Jesse Ventura says was the final straw in his decision to leave Verne Gagne's AWA for Vince McMahon's WWF. At the time, Vince McMahon had just signed Hulk Hogan, Gene Oakerlund & Dr D. David Schultz (who was later essentially blackballed from wrestling after the 20/20 John Stosell incident). Jesse Ventura knew he was headed for WWF but Vince McMahon didn't want Jesse to tell Verne face to face. Find out what happened next and why Jesse feels Verne eventually was forced to fold.
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@seansack609 Год назад

Nick Bockwinkel once stated that he only worked 3 and a half days a week in the AWA, the money that Vince offered talent came at a cost in terms of living on the road 300 days of the year. As soon as Vince had Hogan and other talent he could utilize that as leverage with the banks to grow his business nationally, which gave him more and more dollars to pick off the remaining talent. From what I understand Vince rarely took time off and never went on vacation, he outworked and outsmarted the old wrestling business model.

@kingrobthegreat7446 5 месяцев назад

Yes but Bockwinkel got paid! Ventura and others would have stuck around maybe if they had been paid fairly.

@raicebannon1936 4 года назад

Verne, thought he was bigger than the business as a whole. 1. Pay your talent 2. Bring in a develop new talent. 3. Hire people smarter than yourself. He promoted himself, his son and guys like Vachon, Von Rascke and Bockwinkle. During this time he had Perfect, Scott Hall, Hogan, Rick Rude, Flair, The Road Warriors all pass through his organization.

@stephens9462 4 года назад

Raice Bannon hell half the stars from the 70s and 80s came through Minnesota. Can’t say he didn’t have an eye of talent or couldn’t train talent.

@MisterBeauJanGels 3 года назад

Eddie Sharkey ran Verne's school for a time in the 1970s and trained the second wave of Verne's supposed trainees, guys like Bob Backlund and Paul Ellering. He had a falling out with Verne, left the business and became a bartender. The Road Warriors, Rude, Darsow and others came into the business through meeting Sharkey at the bar and were trained in the basement of a church. Despite being in Minnesota, it seemed to me that Sharkey went out of his way to discourage any of them from working for Verne. Most of them got their start either with Ole Anderson or Bill Watts.

@leomdk939 3 года назад

Pay your talent, yes, but how about at least SIGN your talent???

@tuchehstone 3 года назад

@@leomdk939 Verne just didn't understand that the business was evolving and failed to evolve with it. He was stuck in the 1960s business model of wrestling while Vinnie Mac was changing the face of pro wrestling altogether with his own business model.

@peacethroughstrength172 Год назад

Pretty sure McMahon thought the same about bigger than the whole, in fact he did.

@hoopsheavenpa 4 года назад

Back in the day the AWA had a loaded roster

@stephens9462 4 года назад

W.B. Jones I grew up in the late 70s early 80s in Minnesota. It was the only wrestling I knew until my parents got cable around 1984 and I got exposed Georgia Championship Wrestling and the WWF.

@stephens9462 4 года назад

Gene Bone Third largest city in this country is Chicago. Plenty of good markets in that AWA area. I also believe San Francisco was also part of it. And for the record American citizens aren’t moving to NYC or the northeast. Or even California. They are moving to the warmer lower cost states.

@mikem.7921 3 года назад

Arguably the greatest roster ever assembled

@adrianhartso7060 3 года назад

Watchin that awa documentary DVD wwe put ut several years back.. awa was practically wwf before wwf was. They had the talent, most of whom would jump to new York. Its amazing to think what they did with the right vision

@mikedolan6176 3 года назад

Ya man. Good times. Good old days

@MGSBigBoss77 6 лет назад

Bobby Heenan was known as the last one who left Verne Gagne's AWA promotion. Heenan being respectful of business worked all his dates as was written in his contract to fulfil. Then he left in early to mid 1984 for the WWF, mostly lots had already left and had gone to WWF or the NWA. Despite having the Road Warriors and the newly crowned Rick Martel as AWA World Champion (who defeated Jumbo Tsuruta) AWA didn't have too many colourful characters who'd brighten up the company the same way the WWF and NWA adapted to modern times. After the AWA title reigns of Curt Hennig and Jerry 'The King' Lawler many said this was the company's downspiral as mostly everyone either wanted to go to the WWF or NWA/WCW.

@gopherstate777 5 лет назад

Bobby was a stand up man

@willieholmes1483 4 года назад

MGSBigBoss77, hadn’t AWA and NWA merged at one point? Wasn’t that when the Freebirds were there and feuding with the Road Warriors?

@merleshand2442 4 года назад

@@willieholmes1483 AWA merged with Memphis and Dallas but it was too little too late

@MrNWA4Life 3 года назад

@@willieholmes1483 Uh no.

@MrNWA4Life 3 года назад

@@merleshand2442 Uh no. Jerry Jarrett, who ran Memphis, bought out the Von Erich's, who ran Dallas. There was no merger with the AWA. Verne simply went out of business in January 1991.

@jimpimmers5387 5 лет назад

Verne was too behind in the times. He had the pieces before the WWF did not remained stuck in the past. Instead of riding Hulk Hogan he wanted to stick with a fifty year old Nick Bockwinkel. You had a red hot Hogan coming off Rocky 3. Verne could've marketed him and ridden him and the AWA to the moon. He didn't know how and Vince did.

@EdsterIII 4 года назад

Yeah he could have had Hogan come in off of the Rocky hype and just clobber Bockwinkle. He could have had the Rocky and Bullwinkle.....wait Bockwinkle war.

@markedly1013 4 года назад

You are right. Verne and Greg did not keep up with the times.

@ronaldshank7589 4 года назад

As for Vince McMahon, I gotta give the Devil his due! Jesse's right-Vince knew how to do things, and Verne Gagne didn't. You don't expect to take a Nick Bockwinkel, and match him up against a younger and much more powerful man like Hulk Hogan! Jesse's right about Warfare, too. You don't go into battle on the enemies turf. You don't know what you're getting into. Financially speaking, the WWF at that time was much better prepared to go to war (so to speak), than the AWA was. Also:Now that I have heard just how greedy Verne Gagne was, taking Money from his own Wrestlers, just so he and his son Greg could go on vacation...what was he thinking?!? You don't take money out of the pocket of somebody like Jesse Ventura, cheat him, and expect him to stay in the AWA. Jesse did the right thing, and went to the WWF. I wonder if there were any other Wrestling Organizations that did their Wrestlers like that by promising them a certain part of the Gate (Money), then went, and ripped off their Wrestlers by taking part of the monies promised to the Wrestlers, and made off with it?!? Verne Gagne apparently wasn't the ""Nice guy" that a lot of people made him out to be. If he did that to his own Wrestlers, then he was a Crook, and he's frying down in Hell now! If Greg knew anything about this, and just went along with it, then that makes him an accessory after the fact! No wonder the AWA went under! I myself would've never wrestled for a guy that, if those rumors were true, was as crooked as a barrel of fishhooks!!!

@rlouie05 4 года назад

Verne supposedly wanted to give Hogan the AWA belt only with the latter surrendering part of his revenue from his Japan visits (likely a huge sum) & rumored things like being married to his daughter. Vince comes along and says to Hogan, “here’s money that’s more than what Verne & Japan could ever give you!”, then Verne is still wondering what happened for the past 20 years!

@markedly1013 4 года назад

@@ronaldshank7589 Verne was old school. When I watch videos of old matches, they seem boring now. Verne and Greg (who was never convincing) should have been innovators but never saw the writing on the wall.

@leereeder2293 3 года назад

Jesse I realized that you were a heel but you're one of the better people in the sport as I know that titles would've come your way if injuries didn't cripple your career

@carrorallison7656 11 месяцев назад

And a wonderful person as well. Go Navy

@GeorgeD1965 4 года назад

A lot of wrestlers said the same thing about Verne, too old school, wouldn't change. That's the only reason why he failed.

@rlouie05 4 года назад

So when he put the belt on Bockwinkel, were crowd sizes equally as large before Hogan became challenger? And once Hogan's chase of Bockwinkel ended and ultimately failed, did he seriously have Rick Martel or Curt Hennig in line to formally take the belt? Heck, what was the crowd sizes & gates when HE held his own belt? They must keep that data around somewhere!

@rlouie05 4 года назад

@MemphoWrasslin1 Vince had vision and declared war before Verne even realized what was happening, as dude was indeed a "little lord" thinking his kingdom was safe from the modern-day PT Barnum.

@rlouie05 4 года назад

@MemphoWrasslin1 Nobody tried to "go national" and make it like the circus, ice-skating, boxing, MLB, NBA or NFL, though unlike these leagues, Vinny had daddy's legacy already ready to leverage vs. what he told the ESPN guys as if he defeated those "little lords" like Verne all on his own with just hard work and vision.

@rlouie05 4 года назад

@MemphoWrasslin1 At the same time, having substantial capital isn't a guarantee for success, but does give you a headstart. The only time Vinny couldn't simply use money to stifle the competition was when Ted Turner and his billions gave him a taste of his own medicine in the 90's, though looking back, that story of him being a collosal underdog to WCW is likely another WWF "woe is me" given that we now also know that Vince laying ground work to "go public" around the time Bret Hart got screwed.

@FerretJohn 4 года назад

That happens to the best really. Don Owens in the Pacific Northwest, Nick Gulas in Memphis, Toots Mondt in New York, Bick the Bruiser in Indianapolis, The Sheik in Detroit, and possibly Vince Jr. now, they get too set in their ways, in what worked 30 years ago, they don't see what's happening now.

@TitleMatchWrestling 6 лет назад

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@trevmac8362 3 года назад

One thing that holds true about Gagne - there is absolutely no one in the wrestling business that developed more stars in history . Once guy's wrestled in the AWA or were trained by Verne they were really for any territory (From Florida to Oregon to Japan)

@ptothej100 3 года назад

Absolutely true. Ric Flair and Ricky Steamboat ruled MACW 3 years out of Verne’s camp. Why? Because he taught them how to wrestle and they were able to learn the business from a guy who had success as a wrestler and promoter.

@popeyedoyle6360 Год назад

Buddy Rose, Ken Patera, Iron Sheik

@BeyondDaX 10 месяцев назад

What also holds true is that he is still one of the most egotistic in wrestling, second only to hogan.

@curthennig9448 6 месяцев назад

@@popeyedoyle6360 Sargeant Slaughter(Super Destroyer II)

@Danimal77 3 месяца назад

@@popeyedoyle6360 Hulk Hogan

@JVLIVSPhoto 4 года назад

Scott Hall said it best: “I don’t wanna be the captain of a sinking ship”.

@rlouie05 4 года назад

AWA had Hogan in a great situation to challenge Vince & Jim Crockett, but ultimately never realized he was a territory battling a massive invading force whose home is well-protected, or otherwise Iron Sheik would’ve really broken Hogan’s leg & stolen the WWF belt back to Minnesota.

@MrSmitty1074 4 года назад

@@rlouie05 Hogan getting the belt would have really sparked the AWA. He was that guy.

@rlouie05 4 года назад

@@MrSmitty1074 I remember getting WTBS during the 80's and was fasinated by the NWA & WCW, then saw Verne's AWA on ESPN, while Vince's show was on USA along with several terrestrial channels on weekends with low & mid-card stars squashing jobbers usually. This continued in the 90's when I somehow got a few WCCW shows, SMW, USWA, GWF and staying up late night to watch ECW. Besides Hogan, Scott Hall was one of the first performers who made it obviously clear to me that wrestling is a work when he debuted in WCW as Diamond Studd, then became Cuban in WWF as Razor Ramon!

@diptyajitbanerjee4935 4 года назад

I watched this video Now I'm a sexual tyrannosaurus

@hvacexplained9341 3 года назад

“Puts big wad of Tobacco in mouth”

@Filmation77 4 года назад

Verne and Greg always give off the Narrative that "Everybody Screwed Them" where from Jesse To Hulk Hogan to Eric Bischoff have pretty much said "Verne screwed Verne" no one else

@jonathanhensley6141 3 года назад

Sadly Awa and WCW had the Same problem because they only promoted people who were over the hill.

@andrewft31 3 года назад

@Ryan Sondalle AEW isn't much better lol

@Tbone.357 2 года назад

There it is! "I was a Navy SEAL." Haha. No interview with Jesse would be complete without it. 😉

@supermanbatman4992 2 года назад

"¡¡¡Always take care of your OWN backyard BEFORE you venture into the enemies territory!!!" Jessie Ventura 😎👉

@Jim-Tuner Год назад

@@supermanbatman4992 Yeah. Jesse spent the whole Vietnam war guarding the backyard and not venturing into enemy territory.

@supermanbatman4992 Год назад

@@Jim-Tuner LOL. I'm sure though that if they tried to invade his territory... JESSIE WOULD'VE GAVE THEM A WHOOP ASS!! 😆👉

@beingright 10 месяцев назад

Greg invented the Navy Seals.

@johnking4941 3 года назад

I was a huge AWA fan i started watching wrestling in 1984. I would have loved to see the territories survive. With all due respect it is my understanding that many promoters ruled with an iron first. They could be extremely difficult to work for. Add on to that the talent felt underpaid. maybe some of them wanted to be loyal. However they took a chance with Vince. Ironically, this is just my opinion, it seems to me that almost every promotion is it's own worst enemy. Thank you rant over

@Retrorevelations 2 года назад

From everything I've heard, the best promoters to work for back in the day, were Don Owen in Portland, and Stu Hart in Calgary. They were honest, and fair, for the most part. Treated their guys well. Third, so I understand, was Vince Sr. He could be a real cheapskate at times, but he was fair, and fairly honest. Unlike Vince Jr.

@damionnefelsch6546 Год назад

I forget he was a SEAL. You all know you can only be invited to do that. Best of the best in the Navy. The best units in the US military. Explains his confidence and drive. Honour. He wanted to quit f2f but followed orders after a short consideration. Always will be a fan of Jesse the body Ventura

@RockandrollNegro 9 месяцев назад

LOL, be invited. I think you have the Navy SEALS confused with Delta Force. SEAL application is open to every male US citizen aged 17-27, including civilians, retirees and former active duty. You can apply on their website ffs. There's nothing mystical about volunteering for SEAL duty; it's the part about being the 20-30% of candidates who pass the training A-Z that gets a little tricky. On the other hand, Delta Force is the program that typically requires recommendation from a CO, prior Special Forces/Rangers experience, and has a 98% washout rate (about 2% of candidates pass training.) You can spot the difference between former SEALs and former Delta Force operatives in that Delta Force retirees don't generally write a series of tell-all biographies they've authored immediately after leaving service, unlike the SEALs.

@damionnefelsch6546 9 месяцев назад

@@RockandrollNegro why is that. All that join in Australia are considered and chosen to take the tests. I naturally assumed you guys would watch and invite to suffer for the best training like we do. You do come here to train. Regarding that seeing as no-one else wants to say it, The 3 marines including the female captain pilot that crashed and burned in the VTOL should not have happened. That offspray had just been to the gold coast air show and was pulling maneuvers exceeding the engineering tolerances automatically putting it out of service for engineering diagnostics for a month as is required under owhs requirements here in Australia where the law regarding that cannot be broken for safety reasons. Someone ordered those unbreakable rules to be ignored and 3 marines paid with their lives. What excuse can anyone use(it was only training for fucks sake) that allows this. Who ordered it is accountable.

@JimmyJam1125 6 лет назад

Verne was still trying to sell Nick Bockwinkle as Champ in mid 80s. He just didnt have the vision to change and Greg was too weak a personality to take charge of his dad's business.

@furnitureconsortium 6 лет назад

To be fair....Bockwinkel was getting up there in years by that point (almost 50 years old) but his stature as Champ should not be questioned. He was arguably one of the greatest Champs of any Territory....and yes, I'm including Flair in that comparison. Bock could wrestle anybody no matter what style and still make it believable and good, not to mention he's in the Top 5 of best Promo guys ever. I agree that Verne should have had Bockwinkel drop the title to Hogan and see where Hogan would have taken it, business-wise....would have been interesting. Greg did try to change his Dad's viewpoint near the end of the 80's but by then.....it was too late. I remember Larry Nelson saying something to that effect, anyway. Verne was just too stubborn and too reliant on what made his Territory great in the 60's and 70's. So, I guess I'm agreeing with your statement, although keeping the title on Bockwinkel, although it was a poor decision in hindsight seeing Hogan's Mega-Stardom happen soon afterwards...wasn't exactly the end of the world. Verne's missed opportunity might explain why he eventually put the belt on Rick Martel, who was a great worker and young and handsome and all that stuff.

@jarrettlock2010 5 лет назад

Nick could still put on an excellent match in 1988 (when he more or less retired). I assumed that the matches were taking a toll on his body and he retired for that reason.

@stephens9462 4 года назад

Greg was too weak period. Dude was maybe 215 pounds soaking wet. And Bockwinkle looked like he was in his late 50s back in the eighties.

@stephens9462 4 года назад

Anyways we all know Rock N Roll Buck Zumhofe should have been champ.

@grawakendream8980 4 года назад

Bockwinkel could work, plus he could trust Nick. Verne had a 30 year run and it was over. Not sure he could have protected Minneapolis, interesting theory though.

@babybones919 3 года назад

Knowing Jesse's political background and basically how straight forward he is , it's sooo cool and awesome how he talks about his time in the business and how the business works/run like he survived a war that was meant to be loss. Or I how different/unique it was . You know what I'm saying lol you can see it in his face and in the way hes talking . He loves wrestling

@Jim-Tuner Год назад

Jesse Ventura never served in any war.

@MiningForPies Год назад

@@Jim-Tuner you say that like it’s shameful.

@Jim-Tuner Год назад

@@MiningForPies Its the pretending and shading the truth that Jesse does that is shameful. Its also that he spent so many years in the US military during the Vietnam War and never served in Vietnam,

@phillydisco Год назад

I remember AWA wrestling on TV in the mid to late 80s. They also did some Quebec wrestling TV programs, which is where I saw Martel, Dino Bravo, The Rougeaus, and Tonga Kid before they turned up in WWF. But watching the main AWA tv shows with Sgt Slaughter, etc..you really got the sense it was small time with too much emphasis on Verne's son Greg, who was a mediocre wrestler with little or no personality. Their time had come, they didn't adapt.

@Messiah717 6 лет назад

Pretty much why Hogan said he left. Verne was insisting on a piece of Hogan's Japan money and the tee shirts Hulk was selling. Verne didn't see what was going on. If he did like Jesse said he wouldn't been giving instead of trying to take.

@ronaldshank7589 4 года назад

Verne wanted his "Taste"of monies not contractually owed to him. Now that's dirty on Verne's part!

@mikeyoungblood1642 3 года назад

Yeah Verne didn’t realize that he couldn’t rule with an iron fist like he had for decades

@J_Kirch 10 месяцев назад

Phenominal athlete, Great Actor, Smart guy, and a dang interesting Governor. Who could ask for more..

@markmenning1804 6 лет назад

He was a good governor of MN

@scottdavidson9963 4 года назад

@Wardfish1150 He will NEVER run.

@PuckYouTube003 4 года назад

@@scottdavidson9963 With good reason his ass would be assassinated. He won't toe the line like all these others do. All of them talk of change until they get into that position then it's a different story. Jesse would bring change, so they would want him out quicker than Kennedy!

@scottdavidson9963 4 года назад

@@PuckRU-vid003 U got it.

@MrSmitty1074 6 лет назад

Verne should have put the belt on Hogan. He was really over. He kept pushing guys that were over the hill. He had the Road Warriors and the Freebirds. He didn't change with the times.

@opalocka7430 6 лет назад

Steve Smith you know your history,awa was loaded but Vern was stuckin his old ways.

@dallaslockrey2492 6 лет назад

Classic example of missing the boat, eh? My god Verne had a better chance of winning than Ted Turner and let it all go to hell.

@OGimperial97 6 лет назад

Jim Crockett too

@MrSmitty1074 6 лет назад

Old school wrestling is the best. WWE is trash.

@TL2354 6 лет назад

Verne also tried pushing Road Warriors as bad guys, they were the most over good guy tag team in history.

@toben42 6 лет назад

Verne did his deals with a handshake. He didn't keep up with the current times and couldn't compete with a showman like Vince.

@coreymalis3851 6 лет назад

Current times meant an AHole from the east coast

@crayray6460 5 лет назад

toben42 Verne could legit choke Jesse out

@Musiclover19 4 года назад

Cray Ray. 1) I highly doubt that and 2) What the fuck does that have to do with anything?

@ellismarquez8410 4 года назад

@@Musiclover19 Verne was a genius in the ring but a mental midget when it came to running a business. Don't pick fights with old guys. They will mess you up if you underestimate them.

@rlouie05 4 года назад

@@gopherstate777 Don't know about that, as little Vinny ate repeated beatings by his stepfather to protect his mother, though dude was likely exaggerating at best.

@justinl9077 6 лет назад

Verne Gagne was also an underwater demolition team (now called the SEALs), and Gagne was also from MN. These 2 have a lot in common.

@ahf5471 3 года назад

This is not exactly accurate. The frogmen were essentially incorporated into the Seal units in 1980. However there was a distinction between the two occupational specialties during the time Jesse served. Having said that, he did graduate from BUDS.

@leomdk939 3 года назад

@@ahf5471 And retroactively, the frogmen pre-1980 are now considered SEALS, so yes, he is a Navy SEAL.

@mattfrancis6046 3 года назад

Verne was?

@marksolarz3756 4 года назад

I’m 54 so I caught most of the end of AWA and the rise of WWF. Vince’s product had a glitz to it! Tuxedos. Cartoony,wasn’t so bloody and puresist. It was fun to watch! Wider appeal. That’s why! Wasn’t better wrestling. Actually the matches became very short....compared to old school. Verne and Nick could go for a long time.....and have 30 moves each,...and they had similar moves! Very fluid matches. Camera was from only one angle. Again WWF was better. But AWA produced the greatest talent. Of any organization. Jesse as you can see understood Verne. No big surprise. He picked his time. Tide was just right! It’s a business....and friendship or at least respect. Tough balance. Dusty Roads said it was abit like the mafia. Nobody came in...Nobody knew exactly who to trust..wild tales! If Jesse could tell ya rumors and story’s......he would be great.......and probably sued. Like many...many fine wrestlers.

@roberthealey7739 4 года назад

Jesse is the best wrestling announcer of all time with all respect to Solie and Ross. Jesse was the guy with charisma and voice

@Lord_Bibulous 4 года назад

I'd put Bobby Heenan im there too. I loved Jesse's commentary because he always called out the hypocrisy of the play by play guy for always siding with the good guy. I loved Bobby's because he was just funny as hell.

@MrSmitty1074 4 года назад

@@Lord_Bibulous The Brain is my favorite!

@rlouie05 4 года назад

Always got a kick out of him calling Tito Santana "Chico", which boggles my mind when people say it's racist. Calling Koko B Ware "Buckwheat" was tasteless though.

@BrotherDerrick3X 4 года назад

@@rlouie05 "Chico" is Spanish for "little boy", literally. But it's in the same context as when Black men are called "boy". So yes it is racist.

@michaelmarino7391 3 года назад

@@rlouie05 Jesse went to Koko and asked if it was okay to call him Buckwheat. Koko didn't mind.

@hailmaryrecordings8255 Год назад

I grew-up in northern-Illinois watching AWA All-Star Wrestling on Sundays. Always a dimly-lit high-school gym & other production eyesores. But it was awesome .. like punk-rock. Flaws & all. What wrestling became by the mid-80’s was amazing.

@rosspatterson131 Год назад

What a lamo.

@hailmaryrecordings8255 Год назад

@@rosspatterson131 You’re mom finds me exciting, incel.

@hailmaryrecordings8255 Год назад

@@rosspatterson131 Fake-name, no subscribers … I’m betting you’re a loser of monumental proportions. Have mommy run your meds down to the basement to you. I think you’re cycling-up, spaz.

@renafan3333 3 года назад

One of my all time favorite stories is Jessie telling Vince that he was going to tell Verne face to face that he was jumping and Vince said to him"Wait Til Our First Show There I Wanna Be Able To See That"lol

@curthennig9448 6 месяцев назад

Ventura actually debuted with Vince about a month prior to that June 17 card in Bloomington, Minnesota.

@sgtlegacy7 6 лет назад

Adapt or perish! That's what happened to the AWA! They had the talent, should have paid them, adapted to the times and who knows....

@FerretJohn 5 лет назад

Exactly, Jesse's warfare analogy about protecting his own backyard wasn't quite accurate, it'd be more accurate to say you don't take on an Abrams while still relying on a Sherman. You have to move with the times.

@gopherstate777 5 лет назад

Exactly my ass, you clowns don't have a clue.

@rlouie05 4 года назад

Seriously, did Verne just not see the massive payoff with Hogan as champion or did he really thought people were there to see Bockwinkel & his advanced vocabulary to go with his great moveset? The heel eventually needed to be caught & he already had at least two instances of how crowds flocked to the arenas for each Dusty finish with Hogan winning.

@Kfowlkes09 4 года назад

Pay them with what money? This is like suggesting that ROH and Impact should be paying guys 7 figure salaries like the WWE does. They don't have that kind of money and neither did Verne at the time.

@highnrising 4 года назад

Probably, by the time that Jesse's talking about, Vern already knew that Jesse was bolting to the WWF and he didn't see any point to cutting him more money. Vern was just trying to hold onto every last dollar before shutting down. Didn't Vince hire Vern in the WWF/WWE after that?

@battlestarmarc 6 лет назад

Jesse was smart. I don't blame Jesse leaving the awa. Awa had talent, Verne seemed cheap and pushed older guys.

@bestprice1776 4 года назад

I always liked Jesse "I skipped Leg Day" Ventura.

@briansam2524 2 года назад

As much as I didn't care too much for Jesse Ventura, I have to admit, he has a valid point of what went on in the business, I really respect him for that, it was messed up on how he got screwed by the AWA (Verne Gagne).

@robertpeacock894 3 года назад

Verne had such a large territory that he should’ve just accepted losing San Francisco, Vegas, Colorado, and areas like that. He would’ve been more well off to control the Midwest. Keeping a tight control on Chicago and Minneapolis.

@ruckanitepreacher5618 Год назад

And Milwaukee and Omaha.

@curthennig9448 6 месяцев назад

Denver and SLC were good AWA towns. The AWA never really caught fire in SF and Oakland.

@curthennig9448 6 месяцев назад

@@ruckanitepreacher5618 Winnipeg.

@salvitoripopadillo4539 3 года назад

I grew up in Minnesota with some descendants of the Gagne family. Freakishly strong guys but unfortunately they also adopted the poor business habits of Verne and the ethical side of things. These guys were actually very close friends of mine (were being the key word) and hearing these stories it all makes sense.

@Jahn_Pah_Jonz 2 года назад

Were they good wrestlers or athletes in school?

@salvitoripopadillo4539 2 года назад

@@Jahn_Pah_Jonz Yes! The freakiest part of them was how strong and muscular they were in 8th and 9th grade. The younger brother could walk into a liquor store and not get carded 9 out of ten times when he was 16. Intimidating and older look.

@colourfaze86 Год назад

@@salvitoripopadillo4539 They probably knew he was a Gagne lol

@salvitoripopadillo4539 Год назад

@@colourfaze86 No the area is way too big and populated. It would be funny though. I've seriously never met a young man like Jeremy. He was an absolute Freak! His mom was Greg's sister. He was bench pressing 225 (free weights two plates) in 8th grade and he was shredded with naturally tan skin. Not a fatty. Girls would rape him. He was one of my best friends for many years and in my wedding party. Sad ending to a lot of these families though. His dad fell of a roof working several years ago and died a week later. 😥🙏My prayers for their family. They really are good hearted people the Riedells!

@alanstrong3295 3 года назад

Verne seemingly wrecked the AWA.

@maziku4749 5 лет назад

ventura is a class act

@jlmartinez8482 4 года назад

Jesse left the WWF in June of 82 and returned in the summer of 1984. It was NOT 6 months like he stated . He has his dates mistaken. 0:14

@presley1712 6 лет назад

Jesse the Body one of the greatest of all time. Thanks for the upload

@tonywilliams12 6 лет назад

Presley 17 raided that talent dry as hell

@curthennig9448 6 месяцев назад

That's what they said at Plato's Retreat. A wife swapping legend.

@ChannelEleven59 6 лет назад

Wait.......... Jesse Ventura was a Navy Seal????? Get right out of town!!!!! Next I'll find out he was a governor!!!

@philsargent9332 4 года назад

Hey was mayor and governor of Minnesota

@tonypuryear1638 4 года назад

Also Sargent at arms of the Mongols Motorcycle club.

@173rdskysoldier5 4 года назад

@@tonypuryear1638 Ventura can't do an interview without telling you "I was a Navy SEAL." The guy was a UDT Diver that never served a day on an active duty SEAL team.

@AxelLaw 4 года назад

@@173rdskysoldier5 Military ragging on military. Same ol' song and dance.

@EdsterIII 4 года назад

@@AxelLaw Yeah they ALWAYS have to measure their dicks.

@robertconley3879 3 года назад

I used to love watching awa ,then the talented started leaving, they banned using top rope then they started that whole team thing where you win by points it started getting worse.

@bobmcbride1487 5 лет назад

Verne Gagne pushed his son too much, And thought small, I loved to watch all the wrestling programs as a kid, But McMahon thought years down the line, he planned for everything, He was vicious and brutal, Cutthroat... Nobody stood a chance back then.

@rlouie05 4 года назад

Turner did, for about a decade...

@Lonersquare 2 года назад

1:22 ----> A Good Gem that all people need to learn here. 💯💯💯💯💯 "Always take care of your own Backyard, before you venture into the Enemy Territory."

@travisdonaldstanley6420 7 месяцев назад

"You be the judge." I can see where Sasso gets his material with The Body

@ryukdluffy 5 лет назад

I would love a complete sit down with him about the business and all that

@dildonius 4 года назад

There are plenty all over RU-vid.

@ChrisHopkinsBass 2 года назад

When Jesse mentioned Mr Saito, I thought immediately of that “smoking jacket” promo botch

@nathandunlap6957 6 лет назад

smart man, same way company's. should look at it with employee's take care of them... build your company up better product and better production make more money in the long run.

@tokyocraze 9 месяцев назад

"I'm a navy seal" was that Will Sasso?! LOL

@marcuscompton3772 2 года назад

Say what you want to about The Body but I think he's a straight up man who needs to be respected!

@EdsterIII 4 года назад

Yeah Verne could have had Hogan come in off of the Rocky hype and just clobber Bockwinkle. He could have had the Rocky and Bullwinkle.....wait Bockwinkle war, but Verne kinda of like Vince's father were stuck in the old times. That destroyed the AWA. Now the same is happening with the WWE. Vince is not changing.

@kyleshiflet9952 4 года назад

Bingo

@Deanobucko917 4 месяца назад

Jesse Ventura always an interesting interview.

@markdombrowski9619 4 года назад

Verne had two problems, in this order. He was cheap/greedy as a booker. Because he was cheap/ greedy as a booker, he didn’t trust most of his talent to put the belt on them because he thought they’d leave, which they ended up doing anyway. I can’t recall the name of the event, but Verne did a collaboration crossover with the NWA that could have been something. From what I’ve heard, it failed because Verne played with the money and payouts. When you look at the huge number of future hall of famers that came through Minnesota, there’s no reason that company couldn’t have lasted longer than it did, and been relevant. If Verne treated those guys better and payed them what they deserved, they would have been more loyal and he could have trusted them to do what’s good for the company. He would have had more options in the late 70’s and 80’s to put the belt on other guys whose last name wasn’t Bockwinkle or Gagne.

@ralph8677 3 года назад

You are referring to the infamous "SuperClash" cards. SuperClash III was the most notorious since Jerry Lawler entered as AWA Champion, won a unification match with the WCCW Champion Kerry Von Erich, & then never really defended it since Verne never paid Lawler for his services. The CWA & WCCW would merge to create the USWA (recognizing Lawler as their champion), while the AWA would strip Lawler of their World Title & put it on Gagne son-in-law Larry Zbyszko.

@dpj1 6 лет назад

Jesse manages to drop his SEAL experience into every conversation. I love him tho!

@jimpimmers5387 6 лет назад

Wouldn't you lol?

@kingslowbrafas292 6 лет назад

Jesse was UDT, only technically a seal on paper.

@doc88102 5 лет назад

I scrolled the comments because i wanted to say the same thing.

@gopherstate777 5 лет назад

Seals, Underwater Demolition, Frogmen are all selected out of the same graduating BUDS class and given their assignments post-graduation. Even the guy that busts people online for stolen valor said he has no problem with Jesse Ventura calling himself a Seal?

@jeffreywinters293 5 лет назад

Grungo Funguy he went through buds training and made it through hell week and graduated seal training so he has the right to call himself a seal. You couldn't do it.

@nickperkins8477 3 года назад

Jesse gives fantastic shoots.

@EXPLISITemcee 6 лет назад

Nice interview

@sethmerson1756 2 года назад

I refuse to believe that Vince would tell JV to send Gagne a telligram.

@frankblack9424 2 года назад

I could listen to him all day the story he could tell i hear be quite dont talk to the vets but then how am i to learn jesse seem like he be the man in a locker room Jesse The Body venture for president

@verntoews6937 3 года назад

Came face to face with Ventura in Winnipeg arena 1975,or shall I say his face my neck as I am 6' 4" .

@lerryperry 5 лет назад

this is a very telling interview. this is why the awa went down the drain.

@masguapoako 2 года назад

I love listening to the The Body talks

@verntoews6937 3 года назад

Favorite awa the Crusher Also saw Dr X broken leg tear through his tights as Stevens and Bockwinkle repeatedly slammed it around a corner post. The scream was loud. Mid 1970s

@ricstormwolf 2 года назад

I have a world of respect for Jessie. I love hearing him talk about this or that. I would trust what he says. And when a Navy SEAL says a guy is tough, you better believe he is.

@84sp84 5 лет назад

While I have no doubt Vern probably did short them on the payoff, Jesse seems to be talking out of both sides of his mouth too. He says that’s the final straw, but admittedly was going to jump regardless.

@rickstalentedtongue910 Год назад

I think he meant it cemented to him that he had made the right decision

@MadmanDKDK 6 месяцев назад

"I know how to fight wars." Says the man that legitimately passed the BUDS, but never saw combat.

@Stagetwothroatcancer 4 года назад

Why does Jesse always rock back and forth in interviews?

@chrischar9428 4 года назад

Probably disability

@HypnoManNation 3 года назад

Because He was using Ben Wa Balls...

@TigerBoyRS 3 года назад

Always telling it like is! Cheers The Body

@henrygvidonas9573 3 года назад

@Steve Thompson III "You don't know what hunting is, until you've hunted other humans" or some variant of that shit was something that he liked to tell. He went to a very advanced diving school. That's it. I'm not saying that was easy, most people couldn't do it. But it's not like he was ever shot at for real, or did any real fighting himself. He's 69 years old and his entire persona is still based on learning how to glue explosives to ships fifty years ago and spent some very exhausting weeks in a swimming pool, at a waterfront, and in a forest. "I learned how to fight a war". In theory and training exercises, yeah. In reality? No! Also, comparing how you screwed your employer to leave for a better job to a war in any way is an insult to everybody who has seen active combat. Ask some Minnesotans what a great one-term governor he was. Took the state budget from a surplus of three billion $ to a deficit of over four billion $. Treated journalists who dared to ask critical questions like dogs. Used state resources to promote his crappy books. Does that sound familiar, like some other infamous windbag who should not have been allowed into office?

@bradleyrobinson7552 3 года назад

Kept pushing the older established names while leaving all that terrific young talent to remain on the undercard. Finally the young talent jumped ship to WWF... while the AWA ship sunk. 15 years later, Ted Turner's WCW repeated Verne Gagne's mistake with the AWA.

@215jmo 2 года назад

TNA kinda did the same thing lol

@cjjonez 4 года назад

any company that tries to compete against wwe. need to listen to that small statement jesse said protect your backyard....any so call" national" promotion need to carve out 3-4 state territory first build a circuit of 28- 32 cities rotate every 21 to 30 days working program the 6-8 biggest rotate every month for a big supershow build up got to flip it back from Tv rating to back to building house shows that can make money. just right venue, and talent development. 6mo to a year. then venture out doing hot spots tours then coming back to your base area for 60- 90 days as a period to get a cap on expenses and not get you talent over worked.....i dont caRE if u wwe dirt league of wrestling you can make money and grow yes its old fashion. but its tried true. wwe the largest in the biz biggest complaint rating down houses down....want big houses have quality shows where something happen....no title changes at arena shows anymore.....if i know for a fact not even the 24 7 title not going to be drop..why watch tv why go to a show..........

@ronaldshank7589 4 года назад

Sounds like what you're saying is, keep it interesting. I agree 100%! WWE Wrestling nowadays has gotten too stale and boring. Ratings are dropping, morale is at its lowest point ever...and now, thanks to Coronavirus, there's no one allowed, audience-wise, at any of their events! Let's see how long WWE survives all of this!!!

@cjjonez 4 года назад

They can actually go on for years. Thats for sure...but its not theyre too big. They out of balance...vince says he does not promote wrestling but sports entertainment. Well its not been so entertaining. With this multi media age. They can rebound face and quick...wwe sports information dept sucks dirty hyena penis. Also its production. Its last house show should be setting up raw and smackdown should be settin up house shows for the week....

@chocolateface8664 11 месяцев назад

Jesse Ventura looks like if Larry David and Coach had a kid together

@johnchurchillnoisemusic 3 года назад

Verne was greedy. Wouldn't pay his guys fairly and even had the nerve to ask for half of Hulk's Japan money. Listen the the Lapsed Fan podcast Awa series for all the details.

@curthennig9448 6 месяцев назад

I don't think it was half.

@ZappakeR 2 года назад

The same thing is happening to the WWE now.

@kevinbrooks1104 Год назад

I think that the Awa had the Minnesota connection. The Anderson Brothers, the Hennings ,rude, road warriors, berserker, Greg gonya, and Rick Flair. Minnesota is where men are made. I even think Brock Lesner is from there

@PatricksCrazyPlace 4 месяца назад

The talent AWA had basically built the WWF in the 80s.

@chriskiser4670 Год назад

I've also read where Vern spent too much time and effort putting his son Greg over, who has been described as being built more like a golfer than a wrestler. He never really was a major draw.

@curthennig9448 6 месяцев назад

The High Flyers weren't a draw?

@chriskiser4670 6 месяцев назад

@@curthennig9448 I would argue the draw to that team was mostly Jim Brunzell. I was quoting from an article I read about the demise of AMA.

@curthennig9448 6 месяцев назад

@@chriskiser4670 The High Flyers did quite well in the mid to late seventies and had great drawing programs with many tag teams. I wouldn't diminish Greg's role in that era. However when he was a singles wrestler in the mid eighties, it wasn't working that well. Of course the whole AWA at that time was a sinking ship.

@chriskiser4670 6 месяцев назад

@@curthennig9448 I was primarily referring to him in singles. Typically wrestlers that are not very big are much better draw with tag teams than they are in singles. And I totally agree with you about the AWA being a sinking ship in the 80's. The late Jerry Jarrett talked about in an interview with Hannibal.

@curthennig9448 6 месяцев назад

@@chriskiser4670 Not even Rambo Greg Gagne could lift the AWA to greater heights in the summer of 1985.

@romainlavoie1526 4 года назад

The Body is dead on. The AWA had the necessary talent to be competitive for a while with the WWF and NWA. I say a while. Eventually it still would have come to what we know today. And thats unfortunate. Both Crockett and Gagne didn't have Vince McMahon insight and drive .

@ptothej100 3 года назад

Crockett and Gagne didn’t have the vision that McMahon had. If Crockett stays in the South(mainly the Carolinas) and doesn’t force expansion, he’s got something McMahon can’t touch. Same thing with Gagne In Minneapolis. Reacting to McMahon and trying to promote in NY was a waste of resources. Control your own back yard and it works out.

@mta330 4 года назад

I,sometimes, wonder if Verne and Nick Bockwinkel had some sort of thing going on because he would literally hand Bockwinkel the belt, I looked up the lineage of the title and can only remember one actual time that Nick actually wrestled for the belt every other time it seems like he was awarded the belt, ijs

@ptothej100 3 года назад

Verne could trust Nick. He knew that Nick was happy being AWA heel champ when Verne was in contention and great heels draw more money as champs(see Flair). Nick stuck by Verne b/c he was at the tail end of his career. It was just a great business relationship and they respected each other. Nick was a phenomenal talent, but like all wrestlers......he got old and ran out of time as a viable champ.

@mta330 3 года назад

@@ptothej100 I guess 😎😎😎😎😎

@robintaylor680 2 года назад

I love listening to Jesse Ventura he is a very very intelligent man

@curthennig9448 6 месяцев назад

Likes to BS a little too.

@whizztelevision4112 4 года назад

He wasn't a SEAL. He was an underwater demolition expert, which was a precursor to the SEALS.

@leomdk939 3 года назад

But technically he is, since in 1980 the UDTs were incorporated into the SEALS and retroactively, all pre-1980 UDTs are also technically considered SEALS because of that.

@mohamedmmm5032 3 года назад

I love his voice

@supermanbatman4992 2 года назад

¡¡¡Always take care of your OWN backyard BEFORE you venture off into the enemies territory!!!

@hexkwondo 6 лет назад

AWA died because Verne was too busy trying to put the belt back on himself.

6 лет назад

Hexkwondo Verne wasn't trying to put the belt on himself towards the end. His list of champions during that time is proof. Now maybe trying to put it on Greg is more like it. Otto Wanz, Jumbo Tsuruta, Rick Martel, Stan Hansen, Nick Bockwinkel, Curt Hennig, Jerry Lawler, Larry Zybyszko, Sgt. Slaughter, Mr. Saito. If Verne wanted it back on him, he would have done it somewhere between those guys.

@box5bastard277 6 лет назад

Bockwinkle was 89 years old and he kept giving him the belt. How long did it take the midnight rockers too get the belts from rose and summers? He had a young girl fan base that could have rivaled those who cheered for the von Erich's and those that cheered for ricky and Robert, and he stuck with the older guys for to long. Yeah it was a great moment when they won, but all that time could Jane been spent growing a younger audiece. I mean their wrestling figures was dope, but the marketing was bad as well yell

@dmwiguy9235 6 лет назад

As good of a wrestler and promo that Bockwinkel was, by the mid 80's it was time to move on. Bockwinkel should've been done as champion for good after losing to Jumbo Tsuruta.

@EXPLISITemcee 6 лет назад

Hexkwondo true but AWA is better then most promotions...top 5 of all time

@coreymalis3851 6 лет назад

Don't matter... I'm personally going to take Vince to Hell and steam iron his face daily.

@RMILLSMMA Год назад

Was Jesse a Navy Seal??... Never heard him mention it before. 🤣👍🏻

@MrAitraining 6 лет назад

Jesse with the Riff Raff look here

@Sean_Wess 3 года назад

It's funny how the comments on this video people say Vince was good getting with the times then on other vids from midsouth, awa people are upset people Vince "stole talent" and ruined wrestling. Regardless Wrestling would evolve and if Vince didn't do it, someone else would have come in and would do it. The territory model wasn't going to survive with cable tv coming.

@jordcarter2359 2 года назад

Haha I think people like to point out that Vince cried like a bitch when WCW did exactly the same to him many years later. That's probably why so many die hard anti WWE guys go on about this.

@themusicman80 Год назад

I have a question for Former Gov. Ventura. Why do you not put your name in for President? You would have my vote!

@mkl62 6 лет назад

In 1979, a new pro wrestling publication hit newsstands and magazine racks across the nation. It was Pro Wrestling Illustrated. When the first issue went to press, Verne Gagne was ranked at #2 in the now defunct American Wrestling Association.

@ChrisC11291980 2 года назад

From what I can gather, Verne sucked his new blood dry and that was why they went to Vince and Verne was unable to keep up with the times. Greg Gagne can say Jesse and Hogan and Mean Gene screwed them all he wants but the Gagnes put themselves out of business.

@bumpnscore 3 года назад

Wrestlers get paid to wrestle. I’d jump ship too if someone offered me more money and exposure. With no health insurance or guarantee you’ll be able to keep making money from one match to the next, you take the big money. That was one cool aspect of old school wrestling, guys could take their name and talent wherever and it was fun and exciting for wrestling fans too.

@jonathanhensley6141 3 года назад

Lot of promoters had the problem of passing the torch to younger talent. HAD awa done and focused on improving the promotion rather than competing with WWF they might still be around.

@fixpacifica 4 года назад

I used to go to AWA and WWF shows in the San Francisco Bay Area in the mid-80s. AWA would do their shows in the 10,000 seat Cow Palace and draw maybe 1000. WWF would do their shows in the 14,000 Oakland Coliseum Arena and would always sell out.

@curthennig9448 6 месяцев назад

Give me some dates on WWF selling out the Oakland Arena.

@upnorthvlogs Год назад

Over 50% of a good wrestler, all come from Minnesota

@lockedinnn Год назад

Vince did much worse to AWA then he bitched and moaned about WCW doing to him..

@jefflevoir6127 Год назад

Sure likes hearing his own voice.

@mikesmith2718 3 года назад

Say what you want about the body but hes a helluva entertainer and will go down as a hall of Famer for his contributions to the awa and commentary in wwf

@ptothej100 3 года назад

True. Sure, he came across as an arrogant ass......but that’s who he was. And is. Same as Flair, Superstar Graham, Shawn Michaels etc.

@jbrone1965 3 месяца назад

Verne was just taking his 90% #lapsed

@daleva187goligo 3 года назад

the whole "would this or that territory have lasted if they did x y or z" argument is arbitrary, I think whoever had new york and the northeast was gonna win in the long run regardless, vince just sped up the inevitable

@mattfrancis6046 3 года назад

Well said. But at the same time, the AWA had the Chicago, the Twin Cities, Denver... Not one horse towns but formidable media markets. Especially Chicago.

@blaisevillaume2225 3 года назад

What was remotely inevitable about the WWF taking over? Vince was the only one who had anything close to a team capable of accomplishing that and, even so, the WWF almost drove off the cliff several times...

@takashiph.d.7413 5 лет назад

Jesse Ventura was never more that a mid-card wrestler - even when being pushed.

@egrintarg230 Год назад

Wow that is interesting. I could learn alot from dumb mistakes other people made.

@victerhamm8555 4 года назад

I like this guy she should run for president

@willieholmes1483 4 года назад

Victer Hamm, I remember Ventura being on “Politically Incorrect” with James Brown and French Stewart (can’t remember who the fourth guest was) and Stewart pointed at Ventura and Brown and said they should have been a presidential ticket. The audience loved the idea. Brown just wondered who would be on top of the ticket and who would be the veep.