Jesus vs Paul: The Origins of a Religious Schism in Early Christianity | Dr. Bart D. Ehrman 

Definitely signing up for this

Remember the whole virgin birth story starts off from intentional mistranslations!!! Myth!!!!but I understand Bart wants to sell Christian Based books and has to continue the charade?????

Bart erman needs to watch the Star Wars video.... by Paulogia... Or discuss the comic book Analogies of a real New York in the spider man world. I think hes a bit too close minded to consider that it all might be just a myth

Also I don't think they are historical books as they are poticial ... if he doesn't want to say they're just flat out only religious books. They are written to persuade not to discuss recorded acts.

@@PeterFortuna "they are written to persuade"... yes indeed and in fact they say so explicitly in the books... they are pure peddling and hawking propaganda for a cultist myth.

This argument sounds more like mercantilist scholarly mumbo jumbo, I don't see it in the Bible, show me please

That's not Christianity, it's core Protestantism that overemphasizes Paul.

@@RomanPaganChurch Support your arguments with the Bible

​@@innocentodinkemere4597 read the other comments. Paul and Jesus had fundamental differences

​@@germanboy14 heuh ? granddad and grandson, realy ? ? no ; it's all in the family, it's all made up including the differences they are keen to sliver about. but it isn't true, just more astounding rubbish from NT and MV

Yupp

But, Jesus is responsible for THE WAY I love

That's like if you went to college you didn't major in physics you majored in Harvard

Yup, came to this conclusion 30 years ago.

@@ThinkTwice2222 No, it’s like if you went to the young Earth creationist museum and learned about physics. You didn’t really learn about physics, you learned about the egregiously wrong Biblical teaching of physics.

He made a very crucial point that is missed by virtually all Christians. We can't really say whether ANY of the followers of Jesus in the first generation actually considered themselves to have left Judaism to form a new religion. Right up to the time of the destruction of Jerusalem, and before that the death of James, the vast majority of the followers of Jesus still considered themselves to be practicing a form of Judaism, not Christianity.

Well Paul is pretty early. The didache. Potentially Mark. And you can sort of work your way up from there. Exegete the earliest stuff first as best you can then work your way through the timeline doing the same. Then make an educated guess. The New Testament, if you consider it early enough and potentially reliable enough to be worth the study, is a good picture of early Christian thinking by virtue of the fact that its early Christian documents. (I understand that Christianity was not one unified whole, but this is the best we can do). For the record I think the message of the New Testament, and it's really not hard to see, is that Jesus is a human being, potentially born of a virgin/miracle of God, he taught God will soon fix the world through him then he suffered died was resurrected, and instructed his disciples to carry on his message of thay God will fix the world soon through him, start living like it and prepare. When it comes to the nuance if how to live like it and prepare this is where the potential Paul vs Jesus argument comes into play. Nothing about the Lutheran nonsense about "faith vs works" but rather "faith vs works *of the law* [of Moses])" To say it as simply and dumbed down as possible, if you think Jesus taught all must become Jews, that is to say to completely follow every single law of the law of Moses then Paul was certainly at odds with Jesus. However if you think Jesus did not teach that one must follow every single law of the law of Moses then Paul was not at odds with Jesus teaching. The compilation of writings that form the New Testament, whether someone thinks they accurately reflects their 1st copies or not, certainly favor the 2nd option. That Jesus's teachings were compatible with not being a Jew, ie he did not make a teaching that people MUST be circumcised like the author of Genesis and then Moses later did. The idea in the New Testament is that Jesus had his own teaching, some of which was similar to Moses, some of which was different and that Paul understood this first before even the disciples and fought for that idea. His main concerns were that no Gentile thought they had to get Mosaically circumcised, observe certain Mosaic dietary restriction, or observe certain Mosaic days of the year as religiously special. That is really what the issue is, would Jesus have agreed or disagreed with Paul on those 3 things...

agreed yes. it's not even clear that he really existed. the scholars think that they can extract truth from the gospels. they can't, they are assuming things without proof.

Of course, before Constantine, there were many, many different gnostic groups. Constantine forced a more united, one church. Basically, the remaining gnostic groups were declared heretics. Then, came the east/west divide in to Orthodoxy and the Roman Catholic church, and then, of course the reformation, which, eventually led to the many many "denominations" of today. So what we see today is not much different from what it was like before Constantine, or is it?

@@ji8044 I doubt anybody who read the Bible misses this. This is as plain as ABC, but the question is, so what? I don't see the Paul vs Jesus issue here, Paul was as Jewish as possible, a Pharisee of Pharisees. Show me the issue in this please?

No, Christianity started with Jesus, it means Followers of Messiah.

@@DrazenPerkovic-p8j Jesus never created Christianity. He never created a religion. Christianity was created after he died

​@@DrazenPerkovic-p8j original Christianity was a religion of Jesus, basically Judaism. Today's Christianity is a religion about Jesus based on Paul's false understanding.

Saul of Tarsus is a LIAR! Thus, his Father is the Devil! Stop letting some man teach you what your Bible says. It's YOUR Bible, Read it! Stop believing, PHD... Must be smarter than me! This guy with a PHD just lied to you! He said The Apostle Matthew wrote stories he heard about. Liar! He walked with Jesus and experienced the stories 1st hand. He was one of the 12 apostles. Read ACTs chapter 1. It clearly states the process of becoming the 12th Apostle. While 2 men were deemed worthy, only 1 was selected, because there are 12 Apostles, not 13. An example of Saul(paul) being a Liar. Next read Revelation chapter 2. Revelation was given to Jesus from God. Jesus told an angel to tell John to write it. Once Jesus ascended to The Father he didn't even come back to John to tell him Revelation, he sent an angel. Yet another example of Saul(paul) being a liar. In Revelation 2 God who gave Revelation to Jesus you'll see where Saul(paul) is called a Liar by God himself! And commends the church of Ephesus for finding him to be a false apostle and a liar. The Gospels are often referred to the "synoptic gospels" they are synoptic because they are the truth about experiences and occurrences with Jesus. The Truth doesn't change even with different authors. Meanwhile, Saul as the sole author, his story own story on the road to Damascus changes 3 times. Go into the court of law or an interrogation room and have your story change 3 times... you'll be quickly called a Liar! Do Not buy this guy's course! He is a Liar like Saul(paul), his hyperventilating fake laugh should be enough for you to understand, he is a joke. Read Your Bible! Listen to your Bible! An amazing tool is listening to the dramatized version of the Gospels. God Bless those who truly seek the truth. Seek Jesus, He is The Way, The Truth and The Life!

@@RonaldMcDonalds-or5md That's your opinion I don't see any difference between Judaism and Christianity.

Absolutely correct.

I would agree with this statement in general. But probably not in the way you might. I think one of the uniting ideas of early Christianity was a rejection of idolatry. The temple became a form of idolatry. And their was an anti-idolatry movement among the Greeks as well. So my interpretation is all of these different strands of early Christianity were really different ways people were addressing the idolatry problem to come to a deeper truth. This was the same issue Isaiah was dealing with.

Christians are followers of Paul and his gospel. Paul never met Jesus, unless you take his word for his encounter. Paul openly murdered the followers of Christ. He had very little association with the apostles or their teachings. In his own words. Galatians 1:11 But I make known to you, brethren, the gospel that was preached by me, that is not according to man; 1:12 for NEITHER RECEIVED I IT FROM MAN, NOR WAS I TAUGHT IT, BUT THROUGH A REVELATION OF CHRIST. Romans 3:7 for if the truth of God has, THROUGH MY LIE, become more abundant for his glory, why am I still judged as a sinner? 2 Corinthians 12:16... I am crafty, and caught you all by trickery Acts 12:23 and behold the hand of the LORD is upon thee, and thou SHALT BE BLIND, not seeing the sun for a season. Jesus healed the blind, while Paul caused a guy to go blind. Acts 20:9 and a young man... who sat in a window... as Paul discoursed...fell down from the third story, and was taken up dead🤔 20:10 but Paul went down, and fell upon him and embracing him said: be not troubled; for his life is in him. 20:12 and they broughtthe young man alive.(WOW, a convenient death, and resurrection "miracle" at the hands of Paul) Acts 22:3... being a zealot for God, as all of you are this day, Acts 22:24 I persecuted this way even to the death, binding and delivering into prisons both men and women Acts 20:26 I solemnly affirm to you this day that I am clean from the blood of all. 1 Corinthians 9:20 I became to the Jews as a Jew, that I might gain the Jews, to those under law as under law, NOT BEING MYSELF UNDER LAW, that I might gain these under law. 9:21 to those without law, as without law, not being without law to God, but under law to Christ, that I might gain those without law. 9:22 to the weak I became weak, that I might gain the weak: TO ALL I BECAME ALL THINGS, THAT BY ALL MEANS, I might save some. 20:23 AND ALL THINGS I DO FOR THE SAKE OF THE GOSPEL. Romans 3:7 for if the "truth" of God has, THROUGH MY LIE, become more abundant for his glory, why am I still judged a sinner? 2 Corinthians 12:16 NEVERTHELESS, I AM CRAFTY, AND CAUGHT YOU ALL BY TRICKERY The guy is admittedly a murderer, liar, deceiver, telling people what they want to hear, causing harm to others, clean of the blood of any wrong doing, while preaching to everyone that are going to reap what they sow. Claiming his gospel is inspired by God, and not by those who were personally with Christ on a daily basis. PAUL'S GOSPEL John 3:13 NO MAN HATH ASCENDED UP TO HEAVEN 5:28The hour is coming, in which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice. 5:29 and shall come forth, they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life, and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of death 3:13 no man hath ascended up to heaven Dan 12:2 And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall wake, some to everlasting life, some to everlasting contempt. 2 Peter 3:4 where is the promise of his coming? Since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were. I Thesolonians 4:13 concerning them which are asleep 4:14 even so also them which sleep in christ. 4:15 WE WHICH ARE ALIVE AND REMAIN UNTO THE COMING OF THE LORD shall not prevent them which are asleep 4:16 and the dead in Christ shall rise first. CANNIBALISM FOR IMMORTALITY John 6:53 Jesus said.. Except ye eat the flesh of the son of man, and drink his blood, ye have no life in you. 6:54 Whoso eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, hath eternal life; and I will raise him up on the last day. 6:55 For my flesh is meat indeed, and my blood is drink indeed. CHILD SACRIFICE FOR IMMORTALITY John 3:16 For God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten son, that whosoever believeth in him shall not perish but have everlasting life. Romans 3:25 God presented Christ as a sacrifice of atonement, through the shedding of the blood-to be received by faith. He did this to demonstrate his righteousness.😂 HERE'S YOUR FAILED PROPHECY Matthew 16:28 Verily I say unto you, THERE ARE SOME STANDING HERE, WHICH SHALL NOT TASTE DEATH, TILL THEY SEE THE SON OF MAN COMING IN HIS KINGDOM. THESE GUYS BOUGHT INTO THE FAILED PROPHECY I Thesolonians 4:14 WE WHICH ARE ALIVE, AND REMAIN UNTO THE COMING OF THE LORD THE RETURN OF JESUS Revelations 1:7 Behold he cometh on clouds 14:14 And I looked and behold a white cloud, and upon the cloud, one sat like unto the son of man. 2:18 These things saith the son of God 2:23 And I will KILL HER CHILDREN WITH DEATH 8:9 The third of the creatures which were in the sea, and have life, died 11:6 Power over the waters to turn them into blood, and smite the earth with all plagues (bioweapons) as often as they will. 16:3 Poured out his vial upon the sea, and it became as the blood of a dead man: and every living soul in the sea died. WOW, YOU WORSHIP GUYS THAT FLY AROUND ON "CLOUDS" MURDERING CHILDREN, FISH, AND SPREADING BIOWEAPONS. FLYING ON "CLOUDS" Exodus 16:10 YHWH appeared in the cloud Numbers 11:25 YHWH came down in a cloud Leviticus 16:2I will appear in the cloud upon my mercy seat 24:18 Moses went into the midst of the cloud and gat him up into the mount II Kings 2:1 YHWH would take Elijah up into heaven by a whirlwind 2:11 And there appeared a chariot of fire... and Elijah went up by a whirlwind into heaven Psalms 104:3 Maketh the clouds his chariot, who walketh upon the wings of the wind 68:17 The chariots of God are twenty thousand Ezekiel 8:3 The spirit lifted me up between heaven and earth and brought me... Jerusalem Psalms 18:10 He rode upon a cherub and he did fly, yea he did fly upon the wings of the wind Luke 9:34 There came a cloud and overshadowed them, and they feared as they entered into the cloud Acts 10:11 Saw heaven opened and a certain vessel descending unto him 10:16 And the vessel was received up again 11:5 A certain vessel descend... and it came unto me 11:10 Drawn up again into heaven Zechariah 5:1 And I turned and lifted up mine eyes, and behold a flying roll. 5:2 And he said unto me, 'what seest thou?' And I answered 'I see a flying roll: the length thereof is twenty cubits, and the breadth thereof ten cubits 5:3 He said unto me 'this is the curse that goeth forth over the face of the earth' 5:5 "Lift up now thine eyes and see what is this that goeth forth?" 5:6 And I said "what is it?" "This is an ephah that goeth forth" He said moreover "this is there resemblance through all the earth" 5:7(ISV) Look, a sound lead cover was being lifted, and there was a woman seated inside. 5:9 Then lifted I up mine eyes, and looked, and behold, there came out two women...and they lifted up the ephah between the earth and the heaven 5:10 Then said I to the angel that talked with me "whither do these bear the ephah?" 5:10 And he said unto me "to build an house in the land of Shinar: and it shall be established, and set upon her own base." 6:1 And I turned and lifted up mine eyes and looked, and behold, there came (emerged) four chariots from between two mountains, and the mountains were mountains of brass Acts 1:9 He was taken up, and a cloud received him out of their sight 1:11 Jesus, which was taken up from you into heaven shall so come in the like manner as ye have seen him go into heaven Legend of the Jews 1&2 by Rabbi Louis Ginsburg Pg 521 "All the children of Israel were TRANSPORTED thither on clouds, and after they had eaten of the sacrifice, they were carried back to Egypt in the same way." JESUS S(L)AVES I Peter 2:18 Slaves, in reverent fear of God submit yourselves to your masters, not only to those who are good and considerate, but also to those who are harsh I Timothy 6:1 All who are under the yoke of slavery should consider their masters worthy of full respect, so that God's name, and our teaching may not be slandered. Colossians 3:22 Slaves, obey your earthly masters in everything... Ephesians 6:5 Slaves, obey your earthly masters with respect and fear, and with sincerity of heart... Titus 2:9 Teach slaves to be subject to their masters in everything, to try to please them, not to talk back to them.

Jesus came to the Jews. Peter was sent to the Jews. Jewish law and works. Paul is sent to the Gentiles, the gospel of grace. Paul is preaching grace and many can't rightly divide and can't understand dispensation. Don't confuse Christ with Christianity. Christianity isn't something you do, it's something that's done to you by the Holy Spirit.

"They will neither harm nor destroy on all my holy mountain, for the earth will be filled with the knowledge of the Lord as the waters cover the sea." It is shameful to take the life of an innocent animal merely for the pleasure of eating its flesh. Very few things can be more shameful. You would know this if you would but but listen to your heart, for the word of God resides in your heart more than any book ever written. Truly I tell you, it is IMPOSSIBLE for your name to be in the Book of Life if you are a destroyer of life. "Nothing impure will ever enter the Kingdom of Heaven, nor will anyone who does what is shameful or deceitful, but only those whose names are written in the Lamb’s Book of Life." God is the creator of life and Satan is the destroyer of life. Whose side are you on? Choose wisely. "The time has come for judging the dead and for rewarding your servants the prophets and your people who revere your name, both great and small, and for destroying those who destroy the earth." Whoever has ears let them hear, for the time is near.

A minister who didn’t even understand the Bible. 🤦🏻‍♂️🤦🏻‍♂️🤦🏻‍♂️

goobermcboogerballs, I do understand your disillusionment. I experienced the same with Paul as well. I began to lean heavily on Christ’s teachings and cuting out the static. This reexamination brought me closer to Christ. You are my brother in God and I pray you can find your way back to Christ and Christ’s teachings. 🙏🏿✝️❤️

what are his falsehoods?

he is assuming a lot without much proof. but those scholars always do. they sound like they know a lot. but do they really? i see it as an opinion. not as the truth...

@ClaimClam They aren't so much falsehoods as they are simple disagreements. For example, Bart doesn't grant that the Gospels directly parallel aspects of the Homeric myths. I agree more with Dennis Macdonald and think that they do. Bart also dismisses the Mar Saba letter. I'm more in James Tabor's camp on that one. Still, I agree with the overwhelming majority of what Bart says. The disagreements are relatively minor.

@@J_Z913 great elaboration!

@@Marabarra134 When looking at history that far in the past, there is not Capital T Truth. It's finding and looking at the available evidence and coming to conclusions based on that. There’s never going to be 100% accuracy in scholarship or in historical analysis, but you can get pretty close with the evidence we do have.

Persuasion yes. Control? Not really, it wasn’t a power trip, and he was much less strict than the followers of James who were strict with Mosaic law.

@@matthewkopp2391isn’t the point of persuasion to have a form of “control” on someone. The power to suggest something

Sort of like Mohammed and his Quran or Joseph Smith and his Book of Mormon.

@@Dovahkiin0117i mean the gospels also “persuade” into their own theology technically

@@scottgrohs5940lol prophet Muhammad was illiterate and didn’t write the Quran the Quran is the literal word of God unlike the gospels and Book of Mormon

I don't think that the radiant products of the Jesus movement are necessarily delusional. I think the problem of creating a religion lies in what you exclude and bury and why you are excluding it and burying it, but also what you embellish and why you are embellishing We can take for instance Anat in the Israelite religion. Anat was a goddess from the middle euphrates that had a higher status in early Judges that gives buried in Jahudite inscription and yet Anat is the wife of Yahweh in Elephantine Egypt. How does a goddess like Anat get to Egypt if not through Israel (ancient canaan to the exilic period). The jahudite version of early israelite history tries to bury canaanite elohim by confuscation of terms and relationships. The reason they do this is because they need to push the Yahweh of the 9th or 10th century BCE into the 11th to 15th century bce and in order for them to do that the gods of their heros need to mover aside so Yahweh can get the credit for their peity. The work done by the Yacobian jesus followers needs to be pushed aside so that credit can be given to Paul and his 'Christ' followers for all the successors, because otherwise we would need to give credit to Ananus ben Ananus, The sicari and Zealots, Vespasian and Titus for essentially wiping the Jewish jesus followers out allowing the greco-roman jesus followers to move in and take control. This creates a strong bias in the literature towards Marks more literary framework that is a backbone of the most important part of the gospels, the passion narrative. Once the authors accept marks ending as a framework, then adding birth narratives are just normal aspects of that kind of god-genesis framework.

Clearly it isn’t impossible at all.

So many people seem to be learning about religion just to gain ammo to say it’s “yeah see it’s not real”. Lol no shit, but the question is whether the history is actually interesting to you beyond that?

You’re missing the point entirely. Impossible? Those are the perfect circumstances for basing a religion. Perhaps your expectations of religion are different than mine.

Logos Idea in Christianity is very coherent if there was a basic understanding of the original philosophy. But in the modern era it is very difficult because, philosophy itself marginalized idealism, Gottfried Leibniz was perhaps the last Christian Neo-Platonist, and Kant a secular idealist. In the British tradition idealism was mostly rejected during the enlightenment and the modern logical positivism also rejects secular idealism. The issue is many early Christians were obviously not material reductionist AT ALL. The Platonist tradition was one of the strongest influences on early Christianity. And Plato did not believe in an anthropomorphic literalist God, only a transcendent one, that is imminent via the Logos, to believe otherwise would be idolatry. Some of the earliest Christian writers were Platonist and Pythagorean, Philo (who was not a Christian) was called the Pythagorean and was referenced by the Christians. What is the basic idea? There is more to the world than the material appearance. A deeper understanding can be gained by attaining virtues which are manifestation of the Logos like reason and ethics. Jesus is the right Logos, ethical philosopher, just as Socrates demonstrated the Logos of reason, and the writer of the Psalms poetic aesthetic Logos. (Reference Justin Martyr) We can find the virtues within as the Logos is eternal (innate) and Jesus is the guide to an ethical and spiritual way of being in the world, the kingdom of eternity heaven is right in front of us, we must wake up to see and experience it. This idea was in the work of Justin, Origen, St. Augustine, Pseudo-Dionysus, acquinas, Erasmus all the way to Paul Tillich and those that preserve the Logos theology. A reverent attitude to truth and love of others and “God” the experience of existence and the deeper dimensions of life.

Agreed, Jesus teaching was still Torah-oriented, norhing to do with him as a God. Jesus told his followers to respect the chair of Moses (the Law), which nullifies every Christians beliefs since they think the new testament supercedes the old testament. Jesus was a Torah-Tenach thumper, not a bible thumper.

Paul's entire life was built around Jesus Christ and His teachings. Paul, once a murderous blasphemer, was saved by the mercy of Christ. Thus all of the credit goes to the Son of Man.

@@micahhenley589 While he may have stopped killing people, it's arguable that (assuming this theory is correct) that his teachings may have led to millennia of killing. Perhaps a few hundred were saved from him in his lifetime, but you can easily argue that millions have perished as a result of his teachings.

@@mattallred Jesus said many people will wrongfully kill others in His name. In John 16:2 Jesus said "In fact, the time is coming when anyone who kills you will think they are offering a service to God." They're murderers because they do not know the Son or the Father. Jesus said anyone who loves Him will keep His commandments. The Son of God is on a mission to save people from every tribe, language, and nation and that's one of the things that makes Jesus so unique. He's saving people from all over the globe. "For even the Son of Man did not come to be served, but to serve, and to give His life as a ransom for many.” Mark 10:45

Ebionites is what they were called

Saul of Tarsus is a LIAR! Thus, his Father is the Devil! Stop letting some man teach you what your Bible says. It's YOUR Bible, Read it! Stop believing, PHD... Must be smarter than me! This guy with a PHD just lied to you! He said The Apostle Matthew wrote stories he heard about. Liar! He walked with Jesus and experienced the stories 1st hand. He was one of the 12 apostles. Read ACTs chapter 1. It clearly states the process of becoming the 12th Apostle. While 2 men were deemed worthy, only 1 was selected, because there are 12 Apostles, not 13. An example of Saul(paul) being a Liar. Next read Revelation chapter 2. Revelation was given to Jesus from God. Jesus told an angel to tell John to write it. Once Jesus ascended to The Father he didn't even come back to John to tell him Revelation, he sent an angel. Yet another example of Saul(paul) being a liar. In Revelation 2 God who gave Revelation to Jesus you'll see where Saul(paul) is called a Liar by God himself! And commends the church of Ephesus for finding him to be a false apostle and a liar. The Gospels are often referred to the "synoptic gospels" they are synoptic because they are the truth about experiences and occurrences with Jesus. The Truth doesn't change even with different authors. Meanwhile, Saul as the sole author, his story own story on the road to Damascus changes 3 times. Go into the court of law or an interrogation room and have your story change 3 times... you'll be quickly called a Liar! Do Not buy this guy's course! He is a Liar like Saul(paul), his hyperventilating fake laugh should be enough for you to understand, he is a joke. Read Your Bible! Listen to your Bible! An amazing tool is listening to the dramatized version of the Gospels. God Bless those who truly seek the truth. Seek Jesus, He is The Way, The Truth and The Life!

Obviously. That's exactly Ehrman's position.

No one is disputing that

You need to warn that this comment is a spoiler.

Well we really don’t know because Paul’s letters are the earliest source material. The Gospels are like a history of Jesus written later. Paul’s writings are first hand and the Gospels are second hand info.

​@@MarcP5267the gospels werevwritten much earlier than is commonly taught, by at least 25 years, so...........

@@MarcP5267This isn’t the patent office that favors a the first to file. The Gospels were written after Paul, but they are based on oral histories that preceded Paul.

Let's cook...I see no conflict and I have been studying it for over decade.

But the Lord Jesus said to Ananias, “Go! This man is my chosen instrument to proclaim my name to the Gentiles and their kings and to the people of Israel. 16 I will show him how much he must suffer for my name.” Then Ananias went to the house and entered it. Placing his hands on Saul, he said, “Brother Saul, the Lord-Jesus, who appeared to you on the road as you were coming here-has sent me so that you may see again and be filled with the Holy Spirit.” Immediately, something like scales fell from Saul’s eyes, and he could see again. He got up and was baptized, and after taking some food, he regained his strength.

😂 No he's not. The only thing he's doing is parroting stuff he read when he himself was at university in the 70's. He's basically quoting a handful of German scholars (I know because I am German and had to read that stuff myself when studying theology). That's were his knowledge ends. I never heard one single original thought out of his mouth. Let alone anything that contradicts the handful of theories he constantly repeats. That's not scholarship at all.

@@MrSeedi76 Even if you're correct--which I doubt--about the originality of Bart's scholarship, he obviously has a very deep knowledge of the New Testament, and his perspective as an atheist enables him to see and communicate relationships between early Christian texts that Christian scholars either don't see or don't communicate effectively to a broad audience.

@@lawsonj39 Totally agreed.

trouble is as your an atheist you clearly havent even read scripture nor are you versed in its meaning and doctrines, then tell me how can YOU even suggest you "know" anything? If you want to pull something apart, ie even reverse engineer it you have to at least understand how it works! what an idiot!

@@lawsonj39 He might have a very deep knowledge of the New Testament and he can deliver a plausible story to a broad audience as a historian. Yet you need to remember there is a clear limit to his plausible historical account- it can't be THE one conclusive story. If he is a true scholar his needs keep his balance. His historical account can't be proven and its probabilites of being true couldn't be measured. He needs to focus on that point when he communicate with lay persons.

They taught the same thing. Salvation comes from the Jews, ie Jesus.

You should come back to the Church.

It is impossible without the help of the Holy Spirit. "All sufficient merit shining like the sun A fortune I inherent, by no work I have done My righteousness I forfeit at my Savior's cross Where all sufficient merit did what I could not. "In love, He condescended, the eternal now in time A life without a blemish, the Maker made to die The law could never save us, our lawlessness had won Until the pure and spotless Lamb had finally come." lyrics by Shane&Shane.

​@@joandark2so true, these people think it's all about head knowledge. No spirit of God whatsoever

@@surfshop7552 Had they known the Word of God, they'd have known how the Word divides between the soul and the spirit.

True. I can't remember which of Nietzsche's books it comes from (Twilight of the Idols, maybe?), but I recall him saying that if Jesus had a religion, it died on the cross. Nietzsche expressed it more dramatically, but that was the essence, the implication being that Paul's religion was quite different from Jesus's.

Nietzsche had not the slightest understanding of Christianity. He decried his own parody of it without addressing the faith itself. If Ehrman follows his steps, they are mistaken from the beginning. Ehrman never understood Christianity because his entire point has always been to prove that Christ is a fictional character. It’s his dogma.

@@claesvanoldenphatt9972 Ehrman is a professor and researcher. He was a devout Christian for most his life. His extensive research is the basis for everything he says/writes regarding Christianity. He never "sharpened his sword" and attacked Christianity, even though, to you, he has.

@@cecileroy557 Ehrman debunks the low-grade evangelicalism of his youth. He’s got nothing to offer an intelligent traditional Christian who reads.

​@@claesvanoldenphatt9972When researching Nietzsche's upbringing your claims are very surprising. You should go look it up and see his relationship with Christianity. It was probably more intense than yours.

Problem is you're taking a modern reading and interpretation and applying it to the past.

@@Lobsterwithinternet Not at all. It is directly what is written in the words of the scriptures and the Apostolic Fathers, first and early second century sources. No interpretation required.

@@stephenbailey9969 But was Jesus in talking about the Law thinking more of legalistic moral principles or actual dictates? In other words, what was Jesus on about: the spirit of the Law or the letter of the Law?

@@paulthomas281 The Sermon on the Mount, Matthew 5:20-48. Jesus was pointing to the Father as the ideal of righteousness. "You must be perfect as your heavenly Father is perfect." This is so as man was created to exist in the image of God. Man chose to follow a different path. That standard is far beyond simply the letter of the Mosaic Law. The Law was just a tutor, as Paul would later say, pointing to the living perfection that is Christ. Jesus reminded people about this standard in his series of "You heard that it was said...But I tell you..." passages. Jesus didn't come to reform religion. He came to bring new existence. But that is not the kind of Messiah that people expected. Many of the people in his day were unprepared to admit they were broken and in need of healing. Just like many people today. The first step to recovery is to admit you have a problem and can't fix it yourself.

Now, that's just messed up

The more I study the NT the more I see flaws in it

@@Isaac5123 No , your just buying his reinterpretations of the N.T.

Christianity starts off with intentional lies,and misinterpretations -virgin birth" that's not in the original Isaiah story.. Bart's just wants to sell christian-based books so he's got to continue the charade

@@3wolfsdown702 Amen

@@ardalla535cope harder 😂

Paul's entire life was built around Jesus Christ and His teachings. Paul, once a murderous blasphemer, was saved by the mercy of Christ. Thus all of the credit goes to the Son of Man.

@@micahhenley589 Or I could just declare with total conviction, that Paul invented the whole story based on a hallucination. Of somebody he never met. Then went on to supress the real teachings of Jesus being spread by his close followers. All because Paul thought that they were being a bit too "Jewish". Stating your extreme position contributes nothing to the conversation. When I never even mentioned Paul.

@@corringhamdepot4434 You are correct that Paul wanted to stomp out the teachings of Jesus. Acts 8:3 says he arrested and imprisoned many followers of Jesus and he even approved the murder of Stephen(Acts 7:58). As we can see, Paul was a bloody violent man and could technically be called a religious terrorist. His destiny is the lake of fire and burning sulfur. But then in Acts chapter 9 we read something amazing. God would personally confront this violent man. But instead of showing wrath to Paul, God would show him mercy and grace. And Paul would be used mightily by Jesus Christ. The Lord said "Go! This man is My chosen instrument to proclaim My name to the Gentiles and their kings and to the people of Israel." Acts 9:15 "For the Son of Man came to seek and to save the lost." Luke 19:10

@@micahhenley589 You appear to have a reading comprehension problem? Or are you just deliberately misunderstanding my comments, so you can trot out bible quotes that are not relevant to what I said.

actually, the Catholic church claims to be the first, organized Christian church and they also claim to be created by Jesus So, unfortunately, your conclusions would be incorrect Jesus was considered the Christ and would be included in all Christ-ian lore However, Christianity comes from Pagan beliefs so, you would see similarities there and do

Marcion didn't create anything, he was called a heretic by the majority of Christians during his time who knew of Paul and Jesus long before him. You can also look up the first century writing of Clement in wich he mentions Paul and some Apostles and Jesus, before Marcion.

@@DrazenPerkovic-p8j Smoke doesn't come without fire. My point is, the characters are chosen by the compiler of the book. Every story and character is influenced by real incidents and happenings only, but stories are always dramatized. There could be a real Jesus and a real Paul but no real miracle ever happens

@@freethinker3054 your so free your brain fell out and you lost your mind : LOL 😆 . Prove no miracles happened : you obviously can't: and the Pharasees didn't even say that as they saw the miracles and heard from hostile eye witnesses of Lazarus Resurrection. They said Jesus just did them by the Power of Satan. U living 2,000 years removed are clueless.

@@freethinker3054 exactly!!!! remember the whole Jesus character , starts off from the intentional mistranslated, Virgin birth, in Isaiah in the original story..

@@3wolfsdown702 There is no original story brother. In deep roots, stories are taken from surrounding cultures and made their own in at least 3-4 hundred years. The best example from India, A 100years ago mad beggar named Sai now a famous God. They even created books and added his miracle stories. Irony, he was illiterate, arrogant, mad, and stupid. He has millions of followers.

Dr.Michael Licona has even more evidence of the N.T.

I do believe you would get difference perspectives of World Ward II between Germans and Americans and English/French/Belgins.

@@anniebieb that's not my point.

@@anniebieb True enough but they wouldn't pretend that something like The Battle of the Bulge or their defeat by the Allies didn't happen.

Ahahahaha ah no, other way around.

That's why you don't pay attention to Paul's letters you throw them out or your burn them, but you don't give any credit to them🤔

@@mickeydecurious What would Christianity be without Paul? It probably wouldn't even exist anymore since it wasn't succeeding as a sect of Judaism. If it did, it would probably be a Jewish sect where "the messiah" had already come, but Orthodox jewish law were still followed.

@@travis1240 Technically Jewish Orthodox laws were supposed to be followed, that was the whole message of Jesus was to come back to the true living God of Israel, and prepare yourself for the end; the teachings and everything got turned on its head once Paul opened up his mouth in the gentiles started giving him Money🤔 Then let's not even talk about the Roman Catholic Church getting a hold of it and getting in bed with the Roman government in order to force this belief unto others, sound familiar 🤔 Let's face it they've been beating society with that book of fables for over two thousand years now! When will it end, when will society as a whole stand up and say enough with your schizophrenic hateful blood cult🤔 Maybe after every one of the gen x, we die out? When most the congregation of these churches die? When will enough of this hateful cult be held accountable for their sins against Humanity for the last thousands of years 😔 When will woman start getting common sense and stay as far away from this religion as we can get?!

This refutes Christianity because it makes Jesus and his death or resurrection useless. You don't need him, just keep the commandments for eternal life.

@@mickeydecurious Burning texts, now thats proper christian.

No pun intended… but you nailed it!

"not one iota of the law or prophecy will be forgotten"

Your ignorance is overwhelming as God used mankind to write His Story: God didn't dictate a book 4 angels to bring down . It's an ancient text that needs to be understood in its own Context : not your understanding from the 21st century. Staying ignorant isn't going to help you improve your understanding C. jerk.

Well-pointed. Genuine God who desires humanity to know Him would not have allowed us to doubt His divinity or place His historicity surrounding him in the center of controversy just AS it has been the case with Jesus and Christianity up until the PRESENT DAY.

There is always and only 1 truth We may always give thanks to something

what is "it"?

About sums it up.

No, they come from the Hebrew scripture

Christianity is a "Monotheistic, ABRAHAMIC cult they are based off Abraham

and if the Bible says, that Adam and Eve, were the first 2 humans then would everyone be a descendant of them? HA Ya right and why are people today, following the words of other people from 2000 years ago that say, they followed another man that was only 33 years old when he died and left no writings of his own in any language and there are no pictures of him ?

oh and Hebrew is Semitic and so is Arabic and Aramaic whoch would make Islam Semitic also Semtic refers to a group of languages and the semites who were supposed to be Biblical descendants of Noah / Shem also where caucasian come from They were also supposed to be Aryans

muslims believe that Jesus's message was changed and God sent another prophet to bring back what Jesus originally preached. the human jesus, the early christians, the early jews and muslims actually have more in common religiously. they all prayed to God the father one God. Paul is different from all these because he started the trinity, die for our sins etc. The muslim could be exposing Paul as well

@@richlasma Thank you for this information but I am fully aware of what Muslims believe as well as the teachings of Paul. I can also confirm that the character Jesus’s message was changed by Paul so there is no need to believe it is. Islam is and has been exposed as well for not being the best religion mainly due to the Prophet Muhammad’s (PBUH) marriage to a 6 year old girl after being chosen by Allah to be it’s messenger. I know both religions are flawed, but I respect those that still believe in them regardless of my knowledge of their flaws.

Have ever asked the questions why people only come against Christianity not other religions why because it's not God breathe the word of God is inspired by God men that was moved by the Holy Spirit as God spoke and men wrote

@@toneysmith4946 Or it could be that most of the audience comes from English-speaking, First World countries like the USA, the UK, and others whose biggest religion is Christianity. If you’d go watch a similar video in Farsi or Arabic, it’d probably much more likely about Islam than Hinduism or Christianity.

@@Lobsterwithinternet All anyone have to do is look at what's going today who's behind the AI robot the God of this age the world system then look at Revelation 13: look at Daniel the

The book of Daniel give you the exact date. When Israel would be brought into Babylonia so u will they did they mate we will say it's prophecie

Government is a religous cult they get all their authority from the masses, and their religious beliefs in their own confusion thats the problem Government is a form of slavery that people perceive as normal But the Church has always been part of the Mon-Archy which means 1 master and they rule every country today but people are all confused

Whoever wrote Matthew made it up copied Mark and added more lies and that is evolution of the gospels.

Bingo!

There is a middle ground - it comes from somewhere, just not from Jesus. Like from stories in the OT or from pagan myths. Many people feel the Lion King is based on Hamlet, neither of which is true.

Yes, Gospels were all made up from ealier religion Its more than likely that Mathew never existed either. A Gospel is a God Spell (Go-spel) and the bible is a "Book of Spells" Jesus never existed as a real person

@@je-freenorman7787 I agree with your first part but from what I can find on the etymology of "gospel," the first part is from "good" (the second "o" got dropped) and the second part is from another meaning of "spell," a story. I thought the second part was also related to "spiel" but apparently not.) I was always told gospel meant good news. Not that any of this relates to the validity of these stories - back to yes, all made up.

Amen, Paul has the rest of the story that these fellows have not discovered.

why is that probable?

@@je-freenorman7787 Because the Gentiles defeated them, destroyed their temple and expelled them into the diaspora. Then there is their previous exclusivity. Now that's four obvious reasons. Do you need more?

Just as one might expect an all-powerful all-seeing god to allow to happen to his glorious revelation! Along with having original manuscripts and first gen copies written in languages that would largely need to be reconstructed after nearly going extinct for a few centuries, and then permitting them to be lost of course, along with the first generation copies. So many things that could only have been made possible by an all-powerful all-seeing god!

Christianity comes from Judaism So does Islam They are considered monotheistic, Abrahamic cults

Again, if you learn the language properly with etymology you might learn and be Able? to understand that a gospel is a god spell. and the bible is basically, a book of spells

You see, any real magician knows that believers are the target So , they need believers to follow them Right? lol HA ah ah ah Religion, is the biggest scam in the world and government is the slavery that results from it

They know not, what they do

When Paul uses the word “gospel” he means his good news. That’s not the same meaning as the books about Jesus.

@@je-freenorman7787 Oh good lord, to think that people like you are out there in society. Gospel is a Middle English substitute for a Koine greek word that means “good news”. Nothing to do with “casting a spell”, that is absurd! The English language did not exist when these books were written let alone did the word “spell” mean something cast by wizards.

You said absolutely NOTHING!

@@chighinestorr1086 People would’ve complained if the original commenter (OC) had written a lengthy essay on epistemology and historiography. What the OC is trying to say (without a lot of words) is that this is not the forum for that discussion (as I understand the OC). You can debate the premise or not; you can complain that the OC did a poor job making their point (which I personally would agree with). You can ask the OC for clarification. But to dismiss out of hand that the OC is saying “absolutely nothing” says more about the state of your knowledge (and manners) than that of the OC

@@sbmcgonagle9671 firstly, I did an excellent job at ‘making my point’. You failed to understand it, which is a separate issue, but it was quite clear. There is no ‘epistemological’ conversation between a scholar and a lay person which would in any way be of any benefit to anybody. The salient point is that historians methods are easy to understand. Not that they’re easy to do well, but they don’t require extensive conversation. Save the cod philosophy for...I don’t know, a philosophy seminar. It’s advisable to read a little about historiography, and upon doing that either accept the validity of history as a discipline or don’t. There’s an incredible opportunity here to ask a renowned scholar anything you want, and it’s just wasted on questions a competent high school teacher could answer, that aren’t even especially pertinent to his area of expertise.

@@chighinestorr1086 I’m sorry if that came across as patronising. I’m in favor of the idea of the amateur historian, because I do think it can be a field that allows for that. But you do need to know a little of what it is historians do, and to accept its validity. If you don’t you just get stuck in conspiracy theory land. What you don’t need to be doing is musing and philosophising. I suppose there’s not a polite way to say this but it’s better being said than not.

@@sbmcgonagle9671 I know you think you're pretty smart and all but you've ALSO join the line of long-winded and substantially uninspiring blabbermouths.

I think he hit his head on something, for sure

for the truth on Jesus, you need to listen to rabbi bar terhman

Paul's entire life was built around Jesus Christ and His teachings. Paul, once a murderous blasphemer, was saved by the mercy of Christ. Thus all of the credit goes to the Son of Man.

Paul didn't contradict Jesus in any way. It's just that his teachings were mostly tailored for the non Jewish audience. James for example was teaching to mostly Jewish audience since he was the leader of the church in Jerusalem. Paul was apostle to the gentiles.

Religion is not a plural word. Once upon a time, there was no word for religion and there were many cults and sects Religion is all the same Its all religion There are not multiple religion (s) it all comes from earlier religion Religion is all the same They are there for a different state The rulers want people confused there is always and only 1 truth So, the rulers basically created a false, right to religion, that does not exist. Religion is our slavery government is the result and the ruling class knows this so they use religion as their authority that they get from the masses, in their own confusion

You don't really know that as Paul was part of the Jewish rulers that questioned Jesus before His Crucifixion.

​@@davidjanbaz7728 Paul was Titus,Titus crucified Jesus Lucifer along with 2 million Zionists, they wouldn't stop sacrificing to their God Yahweh, Jesus just means saviour in Greek, Titus called all rebellious leaders Jesus, Mary was what the Romans called all rebellious women, Magdala was a town near Galilee, Titus was the Christ.

@@davidjanbaz7728 You are right: i know nothing! But i doubt very much that there was a crucifi(ct|x)ion during the passah in jerusalem. What is however clear to me is, that the ca 14-17 year period of Pauls silence and the contents starting with 1Thes needs some explanation. The letter Paul is a novelty.

he wouldn't take them very seriously. Bart in stuck in a rut. he so desperately wants Jesus to be historical.

Saul of Tarsus is a LIAR! Thus, his Father is the Devil! Stop letting some man teach you what your Bible says. It's YOUR Bible, Read it! Stop believing, PHD... Must be smarter than me! This guy with a PHD just lied to you! He said The Apostle Matthew wrote stories he heard about. Liar! He walked with Jesus and experienced the stories 1st hand. He was one of the 12 apostles. Read ACTs chapter 1. It clearly states the process of becoming the 12th Apostle. While 2 men were deemed worthy, only 1 was selected, because there are 12 Apostles, not 13. An example of Saul(paul) being a Liar. Next read Revelation chapter 2. Revelation was given to Jesus from God. Jesus told an angel to tell John to write it. Once Jesus ascended to The Father he didn't even come back to John to tell him Revelation, he sent an angel. Yet another example of Saul(paul) being a liar. In Revelation 2 God who gave Revelation to Jesus you'll see where Saul(paul) is called a Liar by God himself! And commends the church of Ephesus for finding him to be a false apostle and a liar. The Gospels are often referred to the "synoptic gospels" they are synoptic because they are the truth about experiences and occurrences with Jesus. The Truth doesn't change even with different authors. Meanwhile, Saul as the sole author, his story own story on the road to Damascus changes 3 times. Go into the court of law or an interrogation room and have your story change 3 times... you'll be quickly called a Liar! Do Not buy this guy's course! He is a Liar like Saul(paul), his hyperventilating fake laugh should be enough for you to understand, he is a joke. Read Your Bible! Listen to your Bible! An amazing tool is listening to the dramatized version of the Gospels. God Bless those who truly seek the truth. Seek Jesus, He is The Way, The Truth and The Life!!

@@Marabarra134 Bart Ehrman just knows it's in his best interests to support the historical Jesus concept and repudiate mythicists.

@@deewesthill1213 i agree brother

@@Marabarra134 thanks!

To take it back a step, Conan Doyle based Holmes on his mentor, Dr. Joseph Bell, who was a real person, great at making deductions from minimum evidence but was a medical doctor, not a criminal detective. So Doyle did use actual elements, but still Holmes was fictional.

@@johnnehrich9601... so there was a guy who was clever and Doyle made a clever character in his fictive tales... does that make the tales historical and biographical? Which is what the claim about the Gospels is

Using your argument, any historical writing should be considered fictional because some authors base fictional stories around real people. Which is of course nonsense.

Movies are never real they are just gospels (godspells) on the Silver Screen for your screening

@@PC-vg8vn ... based on your illogic any fictional writing is historical because they used real stuff in the fictive story... which is of course codswallop.

Ja, danke dafür!!

Can u gave some recap like movies recapped

@@mralchemist3976 Johannes Fried shows 1) how a crucifixion like Jesus experienced was medically survivable considering the pleural effusion (pierced the side with the lance). This method is used today in accidents involving catheters. 2) how numerous Christian communities in Jerusalem, Judea and Galilee did not know death with resurrection until the third or fourth century. There is also no mention of it in the first Christian written documents such as the Gospel of Thomas (found in the desert sands of Nag Hammadi in 1945) or the Logia Collection Q, the source of the Gospel of Markion (AD 150). 3) how the Hellenized Paul, with his Pauline christology (death, resurrection, redemption of all mankind, etc.) was at odds with the disciples in Jerusalem, such as James the Brother of the Lord. They had a Jewish-Hebrew idea of Jesus as the Jewish Messiah who was finally supposed to liberate Israel from foreign rule. This split in views can be seen very well in the NT and is very well documented in the book. 4) how Paul addressed an international audience with Greek texts and thereby spread much further and ultimately caught on. Fried wonders how much Paul's Christianity actually has to do with the Naozorean Jesus. This is just a very rough summary of what the book is about. Of course, you have to read it yourself to check the very many details it contains. To Fried's credit, he's a historian, not a theologian. His main area is the Middle Ages. So he was able to approach his book without bias, prejudice or religious reservations and simply look at what actually exists and what doesn't. I leave the matter of surviving the crucifixion as a theoretically and "technically" possible option. Jesus hung "only" for six hours and not for the usual 2-3 days. In addition, there is the pleural effusion, which causes someone to lose consciousness and thus to apparent death. Oh well... What gives me the most food for thought is the very finely worked out contrast between the Jewish idea of the Messiah and the Pauline christology by a strongly hellenized, highly intelligent and also linguistically well-versed ex-Pharisee who apparently knew little or nothing about the Nazarene Jesus and who, however, made the pre-birthly existing Son of God and Savior of all mankind. As we know from history, after Caesarism had turned into Papacy in order to continue to survive and rule, the newly established Catholic Church (Catholic = general) came into being and all "heretical" congregations, christians or now " dissidents" were brutally persecuted and wiped out, leaving only the Roman Catholic version as the only correct one. In this respect, the question arises as to how much the books of the NT were colored Pauline or Roman Catholic so that "it is correct". Perhaps this great leap from the Jewish Nazarene to the hellenized Paul with his mighty christology is also "willed by God", as it were a new revelation of how God's way should now continue. I think everyone has to find that out and decide for himself.

It’s the goatee and lack of glasses. I noticed that too🤣

I was just about to say glad he’s looking good

@@barbicud Same. Happy to see him in good health.

Pretty much. Mostly because it was fast and easy to do. Not to mention it didn't require you to be circumcised.

Paul's entire life was built around Jesus Christ and His teachings. Paul, once a murderous blasphemer, was saved by the mercy of Christ. Thus all of the credit goes to the Son of Man.

Not exactly. There were multiple strands of early Christianity. The proto-orthodoxy rejected Paul as well, but then Paul was reincorporated perhaps to unite the church. In the Middle Ages the Bogomils and Cathars claimed they were the followers of an earlier Christianity of Paul at it originated in Turkey, so it very well may have been a Paul tradition, but the Catholic Church persecuted them. The followers of Paul wanted to reject the Old Testament all together.

Paul was Titus,Titus had several pen names,Paul's letter to Titus said Titus my ONE TRUE SON IN THE FAITH, there's a clue in that statement,Titus telling you that he's the Christ, Jesus just means saviour in Greek, Titus called all rebellious leaders Jesus, Titus crucified Jesus Lucifer along with 2 million Zionists, they wouldn't stop sacrificing to their God Yahweh.

There was neither a historical Abraham nor a Moses nor ever such a thing as "true" monotheists. There were only deluded ancient cultists falling for just fairytales and lies of charlatans.

​@@reinercelsus8299 any proof of this claim

@@lucienmauricesenghor8216 Yes, quite a lot, like undeniable contradictions, forgeries or lies by believers and sects all the time, growing evidence by archaeology for the real history, consensus among modern archaeologists and also even confirmed conclusions by Tel Aviv University in Israel saying all the same.

Expect a Muslim to spew such nonsense!

That's perfect: and why this is just bunk as the Urantia book from Dr.Michael S.Heiser's video on it.

wait a second? so you read the book, then it says something? Books dont talk HA ah ah ah

U r so wrong my friend

1 John confirms that Paul wouid be of God. 1 John 4:2 “Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God:” 1 Timothy 3:16 And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory. The King James Translation of 1 Timothy 3:16 is inaccurate. The word “God” is added. It is not in the original Greek. The actual word in the Greek is “he” and it is referring to Jesus Christ. But the translators obviously believed that Jesus Christ is God so they put the word in it.

Wasn't nothing false about the Apostle Paul r any other Apostles r Prophets u seen there fault failures weakness fearfulness they didn't hide anything if one of wrote a book were going to be the super hero

​@@DrazenPerkovic-p8j 1 John was not written by John but by John the elder and contradicts the synoptic gospels.

Saul of Tarsus is a LIAR! Thus, his Father is the Devil! Stop letting some man teach you what your Bible says. It's YOUR Bible, Read it! Stop believing, PHD... Must be smarter than me! This guy with a PHD just lied to you! He said The Apostle Matthew wrote stories he heard about. Liar! He walked with Jesus and experienced the stories 1st hand. He was one of the 12 apostles. Read ACTs chapter 1. It clearly states the process of becoming the 12th Apostle. While 2 men were deemed worthy, only 1 was selected, because there are 12 Apostles, not 13. An example of Saul(paul) being a Liar. Next read Revelation chapter 2. Revelation was given to Jesus from God. Jesus told an angel to tell John to write it. Once Jesus ascended to The Father he didn't even come back to John to tell him Revelation, he sent an angel. Yet another example of Saul(paul) being a liar. In Revelation 2 God who gave Revelation to Jesus you'll see where Saul(paul) is called a Liar by God himself! And commends the church of Ephesus for finding him to be a false apostle and a liar. The Gospels are often referred to the "synoptic gospels" they are synoptic because they are the truth about experiences and occurrences with Jesus. The Truth doesn't change even with different authors. Meanwhile, Saul as the sole author, his story own story on the road to Damascus changes 3 times. Go into the court of law or an interrogation room and have your story change 3 times... you'll be quickly called a Liar! Do Not buy this guy's course! He is a Liar like Saul(paul), his hyperventilating fake laugh should be enough for you to understand, he is a joke. Read Your Bible! Listen to your Bible! An amazing tool is listening to the dramatized version of the Gospels. God Bless those who truly seek the truth. Seek Jesus, He is The Way, The Truth and The Life!

All you have to do is look at the situation with the Arian Controversy.

I read gnosis fled into Arabia and that was the Christianity the prophet Mohamed understood. Mohamed's doctrine was already in circulation prior to islam

Yes, this was particularly embarrassing for Derek. He thinks he’s a lot more educated than he is, I wish he had done more homework.

@@bmbrod34 My comment was too vague and you got me wrong, sorry. I was pointing at Ehrman typical dismissive attitude towards people who he considers are not prepared to deal with certain topics. He usually resorts to ad hominem responses so that he doesn't have to deal with the evidence. Yes, some amateur youtubers consider themselves more educated than they are. They should take a degree in Ancient History, for example, because this is the way you really get to know a discipline: the hard way. However, I think Derek is more honest and his effort to bring in so many different scholars has to be praised. He's grown in knowledge and his work as a host has also improved through the years.

Outside Islam, literally everything claimed from Islam was really a theological mess and a non-event in a theological sense. Nothing but unsubstantiated claims made by dubious medieval arabs and totally irrelevant to most people.

Sahih al-Bukhari 5158- The Prophet wrote the (marriage contract) with Aisha while she was six years old and consummated his marriage with her while she was nine years old and she remained with him for nine years

​@MrBrownE707 Modern day Christianity is from Paul, and not Jesus. He introduced the concept of trinity. The council of Nicaea solidified Paul's doctrine. God sent prophet Muhammad because the message of Jesus was corrupted. Prophet Muhammad brought same message as Jesus, moses, Noah, Abraham etc that God is one, to worship him, and to prepare for God's kingdom. Jesus is mentioned 25 time in Quran, there is a chapter in the Quran named after mother of Jesus, chapter mary ( marium in Arabic), Quran also narrates many miracles of Jesus- all happens with the power of God. Quran also narrates extra miracle: It was baby Jesus, still in the cradle, who spoke to the crowd, defending his mother, and vindicating her for ever, and dispelling any doubt about her purity. This is how the whole scene is beautifully described in the Quran: The Quran, Chaper 19: MARY [19:16] And make mention of Mary in the Scripture, when she had withdrawn from her people to a chamber looking East, [19:17] And had chosen seclusion from them. Then We sent unto her Our Spirit and it assumed for her the likeness of a perfect man. [19:18] She said: Lo! I seek refuge in the Beneficent One from thee, if thou art Allah-fearing. [19:19] He said: I am only a messenger of thy Lord, that I may bestow on thee a faultless son. [19:20] She said: How can I have a son when no mortal hath touched me, neither have I been unchaste? [19:21] He said: So (it will be). Thy Lord saith: It is easy for Me. And (it will be) that We may make of him a revelation for mankind and a mercy from Us, and it is a thing ordained. [19:22] And she conceived him, and she withdrew with him to a far place. [19:23] And the pangs of childbirth drove her unto the trunk of the palm-tree. She said: Oh, would that I had died ere this and had become a thing of naught, forgotten! [Pickthal 19:24] Then (one) cried unto her from below her, saying: Grieve not! Thy Lord hath placed a rivulet beneath thee, [19:25] And shake the trunk of the palm-tree toward thee, thou wilt cause ripe dates to fall upon thee. [19:26] So eat and drink and be consoled. And if thou meetest any mortal, say: Lo! I have vowed a fast unto the Beneficent, and may not speak this day to any mortal. [19:27] Then she brought him to her own folk, carrying him. They said: O Mary! Thou hast come with an amazing thing. [19:28] O sister of Aaron! Thy father was not a wicked man nor was thy mother a harlot. [19:29] Then she pointed to him. They said: How can we talk to one who is in the cradle, a young boy? [19:30] He spake: Lo! I am the slave of Allah. He hath given me the Scripture and hath appointed me a Prophet, [19:31] And hath made me blessed wheresoever I may be, and hath enjoined upon me prayer and almsgiving so long as I remain alive, [19:32] And (hath made me) dutiful toward her who bore me, and hath not made me arrogant, unblest. [19:33] Peace on me the day I was born, and the day I die, and the day I shall be raised alive! [19:34] Such was Jesus, son of Mary: (this is) a statement of the truth concerning which they doubt. [19:35] It befitteth not (the Majesty of) Allah that He should take unto Himself a son. Glory be to Him! When He decreeth a thing, He saith unto it only: Be! and it is

​@MrBrownE707 Before delving into Islamic history, it is necessary to consider that the age deemed “acceptable” to marry is not some objective standard across time, culture, and religion - but a subjective standard based on social construct. For example, the Catholic Encyclopedia reports regarding Mary, mother of Jesus: “(…) the priests announced through Judea that they wished to find in Juda a respectable man to espouse Mary, then twelve to fourteen years of age. Joseph, who was at the time ninety years old, went up to Jerusalem among the candidates; a miracle manifested the choice God had made of Joseph, and two years later the Annunciation took place” The Catholic Encyclopedia: An International Reference of Work on the Constitution, Doctrine, Discipline, and History of the Catholic Church, vol 8. (New York: Robert Appleton Company), 505. RELIGIOUS SYMBOLS FOR ISLAM, JUDAISM AND CHRISTIANITY Likewise, the Talmud recommends “marrying off one’s daughter as soon after she reaches adulthood as possible, even to one’s Slave.” [1]. In fact, the Talmud presents some peculiar guidance on marriage, also stating, “A maiden aged three years and a day may be acquired in marriage by coition, and if her deceased husband’s brother cohabits with her, she becomes his.” [2]. So while the Catholic Encyclopedia tells us that Mary and Joseph were married at the ages of about twelve to fourteen and ninety, respectively, the Talmud permits marrying girls as young as three years and one day. Lest this seem like an attack on Christianity and Judaism - which it is not - consider marriage laws in the West.

@@kamilmirza6782 No, that's clearly wrong, like a lot of teachings from the time of Mohammed. There was always more to Christianity after Paul, from the Gospels, Revelation, Eusebius, the time of Nicea and more. Mohammed was clearly not sent by God, because his knowledge of Christianity was far too bad, too limited and too corrupted for that. He was clearly never in Europe and knew at best only a few Christians in the East, which were more often enemies than friends with the by far more powerful western Christians. Mohammeds arguments against Christians in general were dishonest, because he has never told you that many Christians had refused and never accepted to believe in a Trinity. Like the Ebionites, certain other eastern churches or the Arians, including even Theoderic the Great himself, who had lived only decades before Mohammed. But he has never told you that and pretended to know Christianity, so he was evidently a liar and deceiver. If he had really agreed with Jesus, he could simply have founded his own Christian church or help the Arians against Orthodox and Roman Catholics. But he didn't and has never explained why. The only new thing he has really invented, was only a cult about Mohammed.