Why Did Paul Hate Jesus and His Followers? 

I have always found it funny how Christ warns the Apostles that a deceiver is coming to mislead them after he dies, and then Paul waltzes into the show a la Kramer stumbling in Jerry Seinfeld’s door.

I'm confused. Who got what wrong?

Why does she assume paul would be in "Heaven".

Following Bart to hell, or follow grandma to heaven...?

Doesn't this contradict Jesus telling the man on the cross "today you will be with me in paradise", him saying he "goes to prepare a place for us" @venenareligioest410

Absolutely. This is a great question.

Maybe he was the original 'Liar for Jesus?'

Paul was a zealot as a Jew and a zealot after his conversion. You can read his intolerance in his writings. Women were equal in the eyes of Yashua but not Paul. Sinners are forgiven but Paul judges them. That is my problem with Paul, he is judgmental the one thing we are to leave to God. Thank you for your work. God bless everyone.

Brother Jed and Sister Cindy anyone?

@@jennifersilves4195LOlL. They were regulars on the UF quad back in the day.

Paul's letters in the New Testament don't really quote Jesus, as his emphasis is more on the resurrected Jesus and contemporary issues that happened in the 1st century church around the Mediterranean. The times where he does quote the earthly Jesus doesn't really show any discrepancies with the Jesus presented in the Gospels. Such examples include 1 Cor. 7:10 which corresponds to the teachings of Jesus on divorce (Matthew 19:1-12), 1 Corinthians 9:14 where it talks about ministers getting their compensation for the Gospel corresponding to Luke 10:4, and the Eucharist in 1 Corinthians 11:23-26, which corresponds to Mark 14:22-24, Matthew 26:26-28, and Luke 22:19-20.

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Because it's heresy to do so..., didn't you know that??😉🫢🤥

You’re telling me Christians don’t question things?

​@@user-yh6tt2nu4pthank you for the explanation. These guys just make things up and still have the nerve to say people don't question things

I'd accept that! It's the first book of the new testament,so it makes sense it would get read more.

I had heard it was included first because it was already the most popular, so maybe both reinforce each other

obviously thank you oh wise one. its thanks to great scholars like you who've analysed the motives and intentions of every person who has lived since St Matthew's gospel was written to determine that the reason it is so widely read is because of the Gideon's bible's that appear in most hotels and motels in the English speaking world - which as we know both represents the whole world and the exacting state of affairs for the last 2000 years.

@@HenryLeslieGraham quit holding your farts in Henry.

luckily i dont have to since i have severe gastrointestinal problems @@ahousemouse

Spot on.

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Thanks for the alert, bro, but honestly... We've been on the internet before 😝😝

@@Raz.C I mean not everyone is aware so lol no need to make unnecessary comments

Yeah, I was going to add this. My wife and I have been married for 30 years this year and I speak about her the same way (at least I hope!). The love is obvious, but so is a deep and abiding respect. It’s always nice to see.

You can just fast forward ​@@r0ky_M

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No.

​@@bradleyperry1735thank you. any other insights you'd mind sharing?

@@marcomoreno6748 No.

Jesus was a rabbi? Jesus was building a fence around the Torah? I'm intrigued.

@oreno6748 Not sure if you're talking to me or to the snarky remark by another. But just in case it was me.... My main insight is that if you want to understand anything about Jesus, the Christian Testament, or early Christianity, you should learn as much as you can about Judaism (esp. Second Temple Judaism) from a reputable scholar(s): Dan McClelland, Amy Jill Levine, etc. As the Jesus Movement spread into the Greco-Roman world, many of the ideas that would have been easily understood within the original context got lost and/or reinterpreted into that culture. The best way to reconstruct them is to learn as much as you can about the original context (language, culture, religion, etc.).

Actually I think of Dr. Robert Sapolsky's lecture about people with temporal lobe epilepsy - serious, unfunny, highly religious and intolerant, prone to visions ... fits ol' Paul pretty well. I can easily see him as a persecutor of Christians, harboring some guilt, has one of his seizures, attributes it as a visitation, goes off with his own interpretation of Jesus's teachings.....but yeah - other side of the bus for me, lol

In his letters Paul sounds like an insufferable boor who probably deserved some of those 40, less one, stripes. By his own admission he was physically unimpressive so I don't think he could beat anyone up. Rather, he may have been autistic and lectured people at length. He certainly does it in some of his letters. I'm on the spectrum and prone to doing the same thing. Believe me, it drives neurotypicals crazy and it's probably the method Paul used to torture people. Fortunately I have a spouse to keep me in check though I have been known, on occasion, to torture people too. };o)

Paul's description of himself and his behaviour leads me to think that he was a "difficult person". By his own admission he was not an impressive physical specimen so I don't think he could beat anyone up. However, he sounded like a real pain in the ass who deserved some of those 40 less one stripes.

Paul was Titus's Pen name, Titus my ONE TRUE son in the faith, there's a clue in that statement even for the dumbest.Bible is full of proof that Titus was the Chrestus author of All biblical scripture,and the old Testament.

@@tyronecox5976 yes but did he have temporal lobe epilepsy? That'd clinch the deal for me, hahaha

Yup, he just found a more cunning way of doing it .The devil was very crafty and Paul learned from the worst. I find it strange how when things don't meet their narrative the alway do the same thing and claim well there is know proof that that person wrote that. Luke wrote acts. They never had a problem with that until people started seeing the truth of Paul. Just like they are slowly removing things from the new bibles .why ,because they say oh its not in the original texts. Some one added it. One the have removed is about Some demand don't come out of a person without fasting and prayer.

Yup , he just got a lot sneaker about it . The serpent is very crafty .Paul learned from the worst . Luke wrote it.I find it very telling that every time people start figuring things out, they all do the same thing . Saying, oh, there is no proof that that person wrote that or had anything to do with that.They are also changing the new bibles .Removing things like Mark 29 from new bibles . They will tell you it's because it wasn't in the original text .What they have removed from Mark is the word fasting , when it says these demons only come out by praying and fasting. If that's true, then removing the word would prevent someone from helping a person in need .

Paul was a dumb dumb.

​@@RoosterNutz12 Paul wasn't dumb at all He was a deceiver and he was possessed by an Angel of Satan

Paul is not alive to listen to BS from atheist.

You got it wrong

Paul was an agent of Rome… hiding under the guise of a christian. Rounding up believers and having them unalived. Read Acts 7… he’s responsible for the stoning of Stephen 😢

Very well put. I've always had this same thought.

"I am not in the least inferior to these super-apostles" is the passage that always strikes me for this idea What an Inferiority Superiority Complex

Yup, one and the same!

I am very happy I took the time to read the comments. As Digital Hammurabi is new to me. And brilliant!

@weserbergland6000 I would see Dr Josh on the Non Sequiter show before they had their channel. Ironically he JUST spoke at Oasis in Houston where I live last Sunday.

May be Satan lucifer is succeeding any way God help your world & the people you crated.No truth in the world.

Israel wasn't to kind to Christians da

Odd, isn't it?

​​@@alvindaughtry2168X=the Greek letter chi. Short for Christ. This is an old abbreviation used by Christians themselves, especially ones who have to write a lot about Christ.

Read Acts with grain of salt

Ehrman clearly says he doesn’t believe the Damascus story. Watch again.

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Oh absolutely 😅

That's what I thought at first too until I realized they're talking about Paul _before_ his conversion, in which case it's not really provocative at all.

Why do you reward clickbait?

Yeah we know he hated Christians in the past,it's not new information, total clickbait

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​@@montagdpThat's the only way to discuss Paul without being disingenuous. Suggesting otherwise would be silly and in bad faith.

Damasscus?

not end of story.

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All of Shakespeare is political commentary.

Read Shadowplay by Clare Asquith. Her thesis is that the Shakespeare family were recusant Roman Catholics. John, William's father is known to have paid fines for non attending compulsory Protestant Church service etc. William was an underground Catholic hoping for toleration of Catholics in Elizabethan England. Asquith goes through pretty much all the plays, with historical background to what was happening in English politics at the time the play was written/ performed. She was inspired because her husband was British ambassador to the Soviet Union in the late 80s, just before the collapse of Communism, and she went to several theatrical productions where anti government messages could be communicated to an audience right under the noses of KGB censors. Asquith concluded that's EXACTLY what Shakespeare did. Very cleverly as it happens, since there was very little that the Elizathan secret police run by Walsingham could pin on him. Fascinating stuff.

He wasn't really 'tried' when he was stoned, beaten, whipped. etc. Those punishments were from the Jewish leaders in a town or city who objected to his preaching (probably as blasphemous) and punished him for it. The Romans saw these issues as Jewish problems for them to deal with. Consider the response of Proconsul Gallio in Corinth when the synagogue leaders brought Paulfor trial for teaching falsehoods. Gallio told them it was a Jewish religious problem, not a civil matter, and dismissed them. Not only was paul freed, but the synagogue leader got a beating for his troubles.

@@pdyt2009 The Romans didn't give a fuck about the Jewish religion. Perhaps that is your point. They just didn't tolerate trouble makers and had no remorse about liquidating them in a hurry.

@Igor_Chernyavskiy_2023Paul was a member of the Herodian clan

@Igor_Chernyavskiy_2023 from the historical evidence we have Ahis father was a Pharisee, of the tribe of Benjamin. A Jew.

@@genskitchenmagic2957 Evidence?

The Real Shakespeare is buried at Oak Island ;)

LMAO!!!

That you should read them in the original Klingon?

Excellent question. It'd be great to see an episode where Mr and Mrs Bart discuss any parallels and differences between Jesus and Shakespeare mythicists.

Anyone who sincerely repents and turns to YHWH is begotten of his incorruptible seed. Born a miracle NEW birth by his Spirit. Which is what the NT calls the "resurrection into new life" being raised a divine eloheim (little e) not THE Elohiem (big E). This is how Jesus inadvertently was made into GOD instead of a god. As even he quoted OT scripture "Is it not said YE are eloheim". The gospels were written as spiritual allegory/metaphor which was literalized by Rome. Leading to 1900 years of complete deception. Jesus never claimed to be God Almighty nor would he because that would make him a false messiah and liar. Deut. 13. And it would make Yhwh a liar. He is not a man Hosea 11:9 and he never changes.

@@jdaze1 So what do you believe the status of Jesus was? Was he simply a prophet?

​@@LS-xs7sg Any Prophet of God is nothing "simple". They are chosen men of God. God's representative and Emissary on earth. Guiding lights for the people which they are sent to. Jesus IS no different. Peace be upon all of God's Prophets.

​@@LS-xs7sg One of the names of The Qur'an is The Reminder. God Almighty in His FINAL Testament calls the people of the previous scriptures BACK to the straight path - the path which they have abandoned / forgotten / c0rrupted / no knowledge of. God Almighty says: “O People of the Scripture, do not commit excess in your religion or say about Allah except the truth. The Messiah, Jesus, the son of Mary, was but a messenger of Allah and His word which He directed to Mary and a soul [created at a command] from Him. So believe in Allah and His messengers. And do not say, "Three" (Trinity) ; desist - it is better for you. Indeed, Allah is but one God. Exalted is He above having a son. To Him belongs whatever is in the heavens and whatever is on the earth. And sufficient is Allah as Disposer of affairs.” [Qur'an 4:171]

@@Truth.is.BitterOMG your offf your head Abdulla ! Jesus wasn’t sent for the purpose of bringing back the Jews to the straight path . What straight path ? To worship the one True God ? They where already doing this , so why would Jesus have to come for this reason ? Jesus came with an entirely different message AND one which the Quran contradicts…. The god you worship is NOT the same God the Jews and Christian’s worship ! Go somewhere else !

Most read the gospels through the eyes of Paul. Especially the Evangelicals. However, since the gospels happened first, you would think it should be the other way around.

@@MackBŗislawn after a lifetime of reading through Paul's eyes I would agree with you now.

@aspektx Did your Church history professor raise the following question in your mind: Jesus w-ar-ne-d about the Fer-oc-1ous w0lv3s in she-ep's clo-thi-ng. The crucial question to you is: Where are we likely to find one? A) Within the she-ep flock because he's in she-ep's clo-thi-ng OR B) Outside of the sheep flock because he's NOT in she-ep's clo-thi-ng

Gospels don’t have eyes.

@@jeffryphillipsburns Nor do clams.

I hope you always wondered about that subject because you're a sincere and honest seeker of truth. You're an honest and reasonable individual. God Almighty in His mercy and love for you had destined that all this knowledge of the truth came to you. What you do after knowledge of the truth has come to you is up to you. Paul was the f3r0c10us w0lf in she-ep's clo-thi-ng whom Jesus wa-rn-ed about. No wonder Jesus foretold and wa-rn-ed: By the fruits ye shall know them On each and every fundamental doctrine, the Christian faith is the exact opposite of what Jesus preached and practiced. 1) Jesus: ✅ THE FATHER (SINGLE PERSON) IS THE ONLY TRUE GOD. John 17:3. Christians: ❌ NO. The Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit (Triune-God / Godhead / The Trinity / One God in three persons or whatever you want to call it) is the true God. 2) Jesus: ✅NO payment needed, NO Jesus died for us. Just repent sincerely and the Merciful God (THE ONLY TRUE GOD - THE FATHER) forgives. Christians: ❌ NO. Salvation comes by the blood of Jesus and his dying on the cross 3) Jesus: ✅ Keep the Laws and the commandments if you want eternal life. Christians: ❌ NO. Eternal life comes by faith in the sacrifice of Jesus 4) Jesus: ✅ Do NOT neglect even the smallest laws Christians: ❌ NO. Those laws are unimportant 5) Jesus: ✅ I was sent ONLY for the lost sheep of Israel Christians: ❌ NO. Jesus came for us all, Jesus came for all of mankind

Criterion of embarrassment is but only subjective speculation masking as objective measure : it requires inferences to be drawn by modern scholars as to what people might have regarded as 'embarrassing' in antiquity. In casu, I'm of the view that the particular Jewish sect (which developed into proto-christianity) expected (even yearned) for the end-times to be ushered in - by the suffering and death of a messiah-like figure - based on a peculiar interpretation of inter alia the suffering servant songs and other passages / 'prophecy'. The criterion thus may infer exactly the opposite it intends, which renders it rubbish.

@road.from.damascus I am familiar with the issues with the criterion; I just found it interesting that it was used that far back. Christians seem to have always welcomed the end times, even if those times seem to be in no hurry in arriving.

@@AccidentalNinjaChristians waiting for the end times because that’s what Jesus taught.

Great question!

Paul instructs the Colossians to exchange his letter to them with the letter he wrote to the Laodiceans (Colossians 4:16), and if you read the entirety of 1 Corinthians and 2 Corinrhians, it is heavily implied that Paul and the Corinthians wrote various letters back and forth to each other.

It is very possible that the anti women remarks by Paul are not actually by Paul. And that Paul actually welcomed female participation in Christianity.

The gospel of thomas and Mary are silly and fake.

​@@goldie44451 It's also possible Paul was not a homosexual.

Please look up his courses on the "Great Courses" now rebranded as "Wondrium". Now those are seriously amazing.

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his message was also objectively wrong. No gods exist, and no judaic christian end time is coming or came.

@@FinalFantasy8911debater Well, you are wrong, I know God exists and Jesus is coming back so be ready to judge if you do not repent and turn to God for forgiveness.

@@fcastellanos57 You know NOTHING is what you know. You don't follow truth, you follow DOGMA. Lets prove it: genesis 1,1 says that daylight is self existent seperate from the sun and that the sky has a bunch of seawater above it. Does objective reality show that? NO, it shows that the sunlight STRICTLY depends on the sun, and that there's no seawater above the sky, but just outer space. Your bible is FICTION. Its objectively wrong.

@@fcastellanos57 The actual truth is that the universe runs through physics and no gods. And that life started by that physics and grew and develop by evolution through natural selection. Not by some yahweh or jesus, those are false man made religions.

@@fcastellanos57 jesus prophesied that the end of everything will come before the generation that knew him at that time would pass away! So within a 40 year time period when jesus was alive was the end time supposed to come! It didn't! Then revelation prophesied the end would come where the 7 churches specified in that book would see it! THAT end never came either! NO christian end time is coming! EVER!

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What!!!!!! Paul died prior to AD70 and the Jewish Revolt, and the destruction of Herod's Temple by the Romans. So Paul speaks about the Jeruslem Church, who had Peter, James, Andrew, Simon and Mary Magdalene as members and teachers of Jesus's belief, but did not include Paul. Also Paul wrote to a wide range of Churchs all around the Levant and Asia Minor as well as Rome and does not suggest that believers in Jesus were not established......but according to you did not register until 40 years after Jesus died and upto 8 years after Paul. Think you need to revisit your knowledge and understanding.

Isaiah predicted that the Servant of the Lord would be disfigured by suffering and rejected by many. 700 years later, Yeshua was struck, spat on, mocked, and blasphemed (Mark 15:17-19, Matthew 27:39-44). Isaiah said this person would come from humble beginnings. Yeshua grew up in a city with a poor reputation, Nazareth (Luke 2:39-40,51). Isaiah said that the Servant would bear our sins and suffer in our place. 700 years later, Jesus “himself bore our sins in his body on the tree, so that we might die to sins and live for righteousness; by his wounds you have been healed” (1 Peter 2:24). Isaiah predicted that the Servant would heal many. Jesus made the lame walk, the blind see, and the sick healthy all throughout his earthly ministry (Matthew 8:16-17). Isaiah said that he would voluntarily take our punishment upon himself. Jesus said: “I am the good shepherd. The good shepherd lays down his life for the sheep” (John 10:11). Jesus did not defend himself before Herod, Pontius Pilate, or the Sanhedrin (Matthew 26:62-64, 27:11-14; Luke 23:9). Just as Isaiah foretold, he remained silent during his suffering. Isaiah predicted that the Servant would die, be buried with a rich man, but would not remain dead. Jesus did all of this when he died on a cross (Mark 15:37; John 19:33-34), was buried in the tomb of Joseph of Arimathea (Matthew 27:57-60), and when he rose three days after his death. In 1922, the late David Baron, a British Jewish believer in Yeshua who was well-versed in rabbinics, wrote: It is beyond even the wildest credulity to believe that the resemblance in every feature and minutest detail between this prophetic portraiture drawn centuries before his [Jesus’] advent and the story of his life, and death, and glorious resurrection as narrated in the gospels, can be mere accident or fortuitous coincidence.5 Can it be true? Ask yourself-if you have the courage to believe it.

@@platzhirsch4275 According to the Hebrew scriptures, a c-r-u-c-i-f-i-e-d Messiah is a FA_LSE messiah exp0sed by God. No wonder: A-s per prophecy from the OT. ✅ Mark 14:36: 👉 Jesus PRAYS to God, IN TRUST, that *the Cup is TAKEN AWAY from him* Psalm 20:6 Now know I that the Lord *SA-VE-TH* his *ME:SS:IAH* ; He 👉 *ANS-WE-RE-TH* 👈 him from the 👉 HE-AVE-NS 👈 of His holiness, with the ✅ *SA:VI:NG ST-RE-NG-TH* of His right hand.

​@@Truth-a_hard_pill your full of the lies of your spiritual father who's lies are appealing to you. You're referring to the Deuteronomy saying about someone hanging on a tree being cursed. Jesus didn't hang on a tree. Is a house 🏠 made of wood a tree 🌳? No. Jesus died on a cross made of wood 🪵, not on a tree. Let's try and be more honest pls. However in a way if we understand the prophecy of the suffering servant etc we see that Jesus was stricken for our transgressions and inequities. Was pierced for our transgressions and just before his death certainly carried the curse of mankind on himself. But if you read the prophecy of Isaiah 53 etc you can see that God raised him from the land of the dead and placed him at his right hand as his Son. Jesus did pray for "this cup to pass him but not his will but God's will be done" meaning Jesus new the severe suffering he was going to have to endure so in his flesh he said this but at the same time he knew that all scripture has to be fulfilled and hence he has to take all that upon himself. Repent of your wicked heart....

​@@Truth-a_hard_pillBecause to be crucified means accursed, Titus was the Chrestus author of All biblical scripture, Titus was Pontius Pilate, Pontius meaning God of the sea, Pilate meaning armed with a dart, Titus's satire, Titus said that Jesus Lucifer was screaming out My God my God why have you forsaken me, classic, Solomon's temple built by Hiram Abiff, Satan, Revelation 22 16 tells you that Jesus is Lucifer,read it.

Alas, it is impossible to know what would have happened. The original Jesus group in Jerusalem let by James was wiped out by the Romans in AD 70 when the Romans destroyed the Temple and Jerusalem. The Christians there would have been slaughtered along with everyone else. The group led by James ceased to exist, leaving only the groups outside of Jerusalem started by Paul. It's possible some of James' group escaped, becoming the Judaizing Ebionites who were considered heretics.

@Mjmcarlson ".....what Christianity might have looked like, had Paul's concepts not won out....." Get ready for the pleasant surprise. You can actually witness that right now in this day and age. 1) Jesus: ✅ THE FATHER (SINGLE PERSON) IS THE ONLY TRUE GOD. John 17:3. (The Muslim agrees with Jesus) Christians: ❌ NO. The Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit (Triune-God / Godhead / The Trinity / One God in three persons or whatever you want to call it) is the true God. 2) Jesus: ✅NO payment needed, NO Jesus died for us. Just repent sincerely and the Merciful God (THE ONLY TRUE GOD - THE FATHER) forgives. (The Muslim agrees with Jesus) Christians: ❌ NO. Salvation comes by the blood of Jesus and his dying on the cross 3) Jesus: ✅ Keep the Laws and the commandments if you want eternal life (The Muslim agrees with Jesus) Christians: ❌ NO. Eternal life comes by faith in the sacrifice of Jesus 4) Jesus: ✅ Do NOT neglect even the smallest laws (The Muslim agrees with Jesus) Christians: ❌ NO. Those laws are unimportant 5) Jesus: ✅ I was sent ONLY for the lost sheep of Israel (The Muslim agrees with Jesus) Christians: ❌ NO. Jesus came for us all, Jesus came for all of mankind

@@Truth-a_hard_pill who’s confused here, you or Paul?

​@@busterbiloxi3833The true message from God doesn't go extinct. Jesus said and foretold as he was COMMANDED by THE ONLY TRUE GOD - THE FATHER: *BY THE FRUITS YE SHALL KNOW THEM* Radical Monotheism exactly like the Jewish Prophets / Jews to believe in a uniquely ONE GOD - without any partners or equals or like a three in one falsehood - the abom1nat10N called the doctrine of the Trinity - plus believing in the Messiah Jesus sent by God, and the essential consistency with his doctrine - the Muslim. The very words that the Father - THE ONLY TRUE GOD - COMMANDED Jesus to say. The doctrine of THE ONLY TRUE GOD that HE COMMANDED Jesus to give. The testimony of Jesus on the Father: - The Only True God (John 17:3) - The Only One Who Knows The Hour (Mark 13:32) - Greater than I (John 14:28) - Greater than all (John 10:29) - My God and Your God (John 20:17) The doctrine of Jesus = The doctrine of a Muslim. (Of course the term Father in the Jewish context. A figure of speech for their times. NOT that God has a literal Son. God has got Son by the Ton in the Bible.) Defenders of the true honor and status of Jesus against lies and abominations which includes the Crucifixion. VERSUS Christianity more like the Greek and Roman doctrines and the pagan doctrines like "God" coming down in human form and human / blood sacrifice that pagans had going hand in hand with Paul's doctrines of easy fake salvation with blood of an innocent, making the Merciful God in to a blood thirsty vampire. The same people making Jesus a FA_LS-E messiah and an IMP-OS-TER UNDER GOD'S C_UR-SE by their faith (believing in the fiction called Jesus's Crucifixion). Christianity actually the followers of Paul of the Bible the Feroci0us W0LF in SH-EE-P'S clothing whom Jesus W_AR-NED about. 2000 years ago, the Roman and Greek Empire with its culture and mythological and pagan roots already held the beliefs such as "God coming down in human form". So after witnessing just a single "miracle" from Paul THE FER-OC-IO-US W-OL-F IN SH-EEP'S CLOTHING WHOM Jesus W-AR-NED about, they were conforming to their already held beliefs. No wonder when they heard of this guy Jesus with all the stories of his miracles, it was very easy for them to take him as "Son of God" (and this concept later on developed in to taking him as God) as this already went hand in hand with their pagan and mythological belief system. Little wonder that those times and those places and people also had "Triads" and ancient "Trinities" and "God" in threes and stuff. Acts 14:11 When the crowd saw what Paul had done, they shouted in the Lycaonian language, " 👉 *THE GODS HAVE COME DOWN to us IN HUMAN FORM* 👈 !" *********** Then of course the abomination of the alleged human "sacrifice" of Jesus Christ making the Most Merciful in to some human blood thirsty vampire. Going against the very teachings of the true Prophets and that includes Jesus Christ. ******** Unfortunately, it was the Pauline Christianity and Pauline falsehoods, blended with pagan doctrine and backed up by the powerful Empire that eventually won out over the years and wiped out the Jewish movement of radical monotheism who were following the Messiah Jesus (peace be upon him) sent by God.

@@DA-yd2ny It's quite interesting how deliberately you dodged the points which I gave on the preaching and practice of Jesus of the Bible. Truth is a bitter pill to swallow. I understand your d1sc0mf0rt. Relax. Take a step back from emotion. God Almighty in His mercy and love for you had DESTINED that all this knowledge of the truth came to you. What you do after knowledge of the truth came to you is up to you.

Most Shakespearean scholars understand his works to be fiction from the beginning of their studies whereas most biblical scholars begin their serious academic studies of the Bible as believers.

Insisting that a narrative that works better on a symbolic level actually happened and the text is literally true in every detail.

@@ninatrabona4629 Not relevant to the question--unless you imagine that Shakespearean scholars typically believe that his stories are "literally true in every detail." Which none of them do.

I was thinking in this instance of Christian scripture, not Shakespeare. Shakespeare's history plays do imply that his version of British history is the accurate one, though real historians sometimes reject that, or so my professor told me.

Christianity was originally an oral tradition. The first writings we have about the Christians is the Pauline Epistles. And the Epistles were just letters at the time, not scripture. The Gospels came a generation later. So, there was no scripture for the first Christians to follow.

The Romans crucified Jesus. He was going around saying the kingdom of god was at hand and he was going to be sitting on the throne ruling over the nation - the Romans took that as talk of overthrowing Roman rule and executed him.

@@stevearmstrong6758 Pontius Pilate only had Christ crucified at the insistence of the Jews. He was only one of multiple apocalyptic preachers. The fact that he was crucified and reportedly resurrected was the clincher for the early church. No crucifiction = no resurrection.

Jesus was a messianic revolutionary rebel and likely killed many. That’s why the Romans (not the Jews) killed him. The gospels are made up fairy tales of Jesus’s life, meant to pacify the subjects of the Roman empire.

@@MTerrance That’s the narrative written years after Jesus’s death. Pilate was recalled to Rome because he was too violent even by Roman standards. Seems out of his character that he would worry at all about killing some Jew who was claiming he was about to become king.

@@stevearmstrong6758 Fair enough. All we have to go by is a Bible. I stand by my point. If Jesus had died of old age, his impact might have been trivial. The resurrection story was a key point used to confirm his divinity.

I think it means he has 6 separate books on the New York Times bestselling list.

I always chuckle at that myself. The more qualifiers you add after the word “only,” the less impressed I am. I’d actually be more impressed if they just dropped the “only” and listed bart’s credentials without any mention of exclusivity.

don't forget the chamber music !

Try to understand the intended message, not to analyze the sentence logically :-)

@@ulrikof.2486 It’s not a “logical analysis”. The PR bit in question is certainly crass, superfluous, and generally obnoxious, but logically “only six-time, etc who, etc.” doesn’t suggest in the slightest that there are five-time, etc, who, etc. It means simply that there is no else with all of these credentials doing this. Logically there could be no one else doing this at all or others or another doing this with none of these credentials or with some of these credentials but not all of them. If X is not both A and B, then X could be A alone, B alone, or neither A nor B. THAT is logic.

Exactly. Forget everything people say. Read your Bible for yourself. The more you honestly delve into your scriptures, the more you realize that your scriptures 3xp0s3 the f3r0c10us w0lf in she-ep's clo-thi-ng whom Jesus wa-rn-ed about 👉 Saul aka Paul. Here are the fruits of Paul of the Bible: 1) Jesus: ✅ THE FATHER (SINGLE PERSON) IS THE ONLY TRUE GOD. John 17:3. Christians: ❌ NO. The Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit (Triune-God / Godhead / The Trinity / One God in three persons or whatever you want to call it) is the true God. 2) Jesus: ✅NO payment needed, NO Jesus died for us. Just repent sincerely and the Merciful God (THE ONLY TRUE GOD - THE FATHER) forgives. Christians: ❌ NO. Salvation comes by the blood of Jesus and his dying on the cross 3) Jesus: ✅ Keep the Laws and the commandments if you want eternal life Christians: ❌ NO. Eternal life comes by faith in the sacrifice of Jesus 4) Jesus: ✅ Do NOT neglect even the smallest laws Christians: ❌ NO. Those laws are unimportant 5) Jesus: ✅ I was sent ONLY for the lost sheep of Israel Christians: ❌ NO. Jesus came for us all, Jesus came for all of mankind

Hitler subverted the NDSAP into a right wing organisation with a thin left wing veneer.

Perhaps is what we can say about most theological assertions. Perhaps Pauls real name was Bob and he was an Egyptian canary breeder - no evidence he wasn't!

When there is no sure answer, you basically have the only needed ingredient for the recipe of random superstition or stories or "facts" to take hold in a population and spread. It always begins with one person using their imagination, telling others what they think, it landing intuitively with many, those people retelling it, and so on. Take modern medicine as an example. We are very far from having a 100% success rate in helping people with stuff like depression, anhedonia, anergia, fatigue, not feeling normal like they used to, etc. So in that gap, you get loads and loads of conspiracy theories that use the honest statement of uncertainty or failure/contradiction in the science community as "evidence" that the entire thing is a sham and then you get some simplistic, hopeful cure all proposed. You get real people rejecting the best treatments and instead going on the caveman diet or using magic or fasting or using random herbs or taking random supplements. I like the idea too. I wish mother Earth just had all the medicine we need for all problems. It just isn't true. It's best not to be part of this process. Yeah, it kind of kills who you can socialize with since talking out your booty is very entertaining for most people you talk to (people not very scientific to say the least), but you end up hurting those people if you try to charm them. Most people just cannot handle a "I'm not sure," and they will pick a person who sounds sure of themselves to trust instead. It's an awful situation responsible for a lot of scams, mistrust of authority, snake oil salesmen, superstitions, etc.

If the was a Greek speaking Pharisee, he must be working for the Romans, and getting his income from the temples.

Given that Paul’s teachings are almost all totally opposite of what Christ taught to the original Apostles I’d argue that he never actually converted and was just a Roman plant the entire time.

Paul thought the people who met Jesus and his family were crazy. He says he got none of this message from people who knew jesus.

Paul said "it's good for a man not to touch a woman", so he probably wasn't that into dating. /jk

What evidence?

@@pdyt2009 the evidence of Jerome, the Jewish Aggadah, numismatic evidence, evidence from Roman historians, from Josephus, the New Testament and from the Church Fathers.

@@Valdagast for students of history "dating" refers to when something happened.

@@paulgeorge1144 /jk means that the comment is a joke and not meant to be taken seriously.

It's important to note that when christians use Isaiah 53's suffering servant passage to refer to Jesus or Messiah, one cannot ignore Isaiah 49 which explicitly says Israel is the Suffering Servant.

@@edwinasencio5727I think they would just respond with 53 has multiple meanings

@@edwinasencio5727 that also applied to the prechristian jews who believed it. But people still believe things from the bible in whatever way they want, regardless of whether you can show that it doesn't make sense.

Worth pointing out though that the suffering servant is identified as Israel itself, or at least it would seem so in context.

@@SeekingVirtueA yes, in the tanakh, however I was referring to the dead sea scrolls. Arguments from the bible do not show in any way that every Jew agreed with what we now know as the bible (which wasn't even collected as such until centuries later than this period we are talking about). As I said above, the dead sea scrolls are witness to the existence of a sect which saw the Messiah as a suffering servant. Modern Christian and Jewish apologetics will of course try to sideline this, but at the time there's no evidence that this view was considered minority or heretical, and that's the impression you would get listening to Dr Ehrman here.

"I would rather hear about the message of Jesus" That's fantastic 👍. 1) Jesus: ✅ THE FATHER (SINGLE PERSON) IS THE ONLY TRUE GOD. John 17:3. (The Muslim agrees with Jesus) Christians: ❌ NO. The Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit (Triune-God / Godhead / The Trinity / One God in three persons or whatever you want to call it) is the true God. 2) Jesus: ✅NO payment needed, NO Jesus died for us. Just repent sincerely and the Merciful God (THE ONLY TRUE GOD - THE FATHER) forgives. (The Muslim agrees with Jesus) Christians: ❌ NO. Salvation comes by the blood of Jesus and his dying on the cross 3) Jesus: ✅ Keep the Laws and the commandments if you want eternal life (The Muslim agrees with Jesus) Christians: ❌ NO. Eternal life comes by faith in the sacrifice of Jesus 4) Jesus: ✅ Do NOT neglect even the smallest laws (The Muslim agrees with Jesus) Christians: ❌ NO. Those laws are unimportant 5) Jesus: ✅ I was sent ONLY for the lost sheep of Israel (The Muslim agrees with Jesus) Christians: ❌ NO. Jesus came for us all, Jesus came for all of mankind

Thanks to Paul of the Bible the Fer-oc-1ous w0lf in she-ep's clo-thi-ng whom Jesus wa-rn-ed about, it's Christian faith, professing to love and honor Jesus, which made a H.E.R.E.T.I.C of Jesus of the Bible on each and every fundamental doctrine.

Paul is the wolf in sheep's clothing Jesus warned about. 1 Corinthians 9:20-22 [20]To the Jews I became like a Jew, to win the Jews. To those under the law I became like one under the law (though I myself am not under the law), so as to win those under the law. [21]To those not having the law I became like one not having the law (though I am not free from God’s law but am under Christ’s law), so as to win those not having the law. [22]To the weak I became weak, to win the weak. I have become all things to all people so that by all possible means I might save some.

@@AbelOktavian Hi. We both know that Paul was the f3r0c10us w0lf in she-ep's clo-thi-ng whom Jesus wa-rn-ed about. Congratulations to you. Did you manage to find the biggest d3c3pt10n from Paul?

@@AbelOktavian Congratulations to you for realizing that Paul was the f3r0c10us w0lf in she-ep's clo-thi-ng whom Jesus wa-rn-ed about. What was Paul's b1gg3st d3c3pt10n?

It was a little unsatisfying. I believe there was deep antipathy between the camp of James (Yeshua's heir) and Paul, who was viewed by them as "the Enemy". This could have been pursued more intensely.

@@YaoEspirito I would actually love for Bart to one day do an episode on the James/Paul disagreement. For someone who talks so much about the New Testament, I feel like I’ve never really seen him speak extensively on (James the brother of Jesus)

Read what Paul says about the followers of Jesus and his family quit misquoting in the Bible. Paul learned nothing and nothing was added to his gospel after meeting people who knew jesus.

@somewhatinformed1208 where can I read this? Is it in the Bible?

Yah, I read that thing, about 30 years ago. Can't really comment on it.

" Paul was, in short, a cunning rogue who pieced together a new religion from bits of this and that, and then dressed the whole thing up with a sprinkling of out-of-context Torah quotations. " - Hyam Maccoby Author of " The Mythmaker : Paul and the invention of Christianity "

Another crucial question for any sincere seeker of the truth: Jesus prayed to his God against getting c-r-u-c-i-f-i-e-d. Did God accept his earnest prayer made in trust? A-s per prophecy from the OT. ✅ Mark 14:36: 👉 Jesus PRAYS to God, IN TRUST, that *the Cup is TAKEN AWAY from him* Psalm 20:6 Now know I that the Lord *SA-VE-TH* his *ME:SS:IAH* ; He 👉 *ANS-WE-RE-TH* 👈 him from the 👉 HE-AVE-NS 👈 of His holiness, with the ✅ *SA:VI:NG ST-RE-NG-TH* of His right hand.

Question: Why is Saul aka Paul so upset and is d3sp3rat3 to preach that Jesus literally got c-r-u-c-i-f-i-e-d? Answer: According to the Hebrew SCRIPTURES, a c-r-u-c-i-f-i-e-d Messiah is a FA_LSE messiah exp0sed by God. The work of Paul the f3r0c10us w0lf in she-ep's clo-thi-ng whom Jesus wa-rn-ed about continues to this day as the J3w nation re-je-ct-s Jesus as Messiah. Saul aka Paul achieved what he set out to do. Stop the true movement of the the followers of Messiah Jesus by turning it into an A-B-O-M-I-N-A-T-I-O-N as per the Hebrew scriptures. 🚩 👉 De-uter-ono-my 21 verse 23

Did Jesus actually get c-r-u-c-i-f-i-e-d or did Paul's "MY Gospel" prevail which made sure that the J3-w nation never accepts Jesus as Messiah?

@@Truth-a_hard_pill Are you saying you know more than historians , and biblical scholars about Jesus crucifixion ? That demonic book the Quran which contradicts the bible 100% disagrees with all teachings from the bible . Jesus prays to God that this cup be taken from him , BUT he also said Not my will , But your will . Jesus speaks of his crucifixion in other scriptures as well .

i believe Bart is refering to all the passages that are all supoosedly about the same 'messiah', not just the ones that have the literal word in it, and that if you try to understand them in their proper context, without assuming that they describe jesus, you'll find that maybe there was not a prior expectation for someone like him, or at least not as described by christian tradition

Jews believed in two messiahs

@@pedrom4572 you can believe that, but it's interpretation. Going by what he said, here and again about ten minutes later, you would think that the only meaning he could have here is to say that a prophecy must contain the word Messiah in order to be messianic. He knows better, and he must know how misleading this is, since literally none of these prophecies have the word Messiah in them. It's a standout feature of messianic prophecies in fact. However, to the generally lay audience that Ehrman aims his podcast at, this is not a point they would be aware of or ever think to challenge. Dr Ehrman has a responsibility to represent the truth, as seen by the scholarly consensus, and when I hear him making candidly misleading remarks, it makes me wonder what else I can't trust him on, that I'm not well read enough to question. Essentially, it harms Dr Ehrman's credibility. I mean, none of this is even about Jesus, the point stands regardless, I think.

@@JopJio or three, or one, or none. Judaism was multiplex in the ancient world. But so what?

@@integrationalpolytheismI think you’re getting worked up about an overly literal parsing. The point is none of these passages are about the messiah, not that the presence or absence of a single word is dispositive.

Again, why? These are his own words, but he give no explanation.

@@paulkoza8652 Nobody yet knows lad, knowbody knows...

​@@paulkoza8652 are you motivated out of Love or out of fear? We are energetic beings and what we think is actively shaping things around us, nothing we think about is "neutral" it is active and there is energy behind it. We have to transcend fear while we are here, the idea of facing your demons. Jesus Christ was without sin, He did not make errors. He was able to see Truth and speak Truth. And Truth does not have fear in it, fear is "made up" by the mind, only Unconditional Love exists actually in Reality, not fear. The True God is Unconditional Love.

​​@@bpprovitUnconditional Love ? Says who ? The Church ? God's love & covenant is CONDITIONAL , please read your Bible. I mean , why then God punish you for your sin ? Why hell is prepared for the disbelievers ? And the "Christian" Jesus did make some errors in the Bible , a HUGE error , all who studied the Bible knew about this , go read Mark 13 . The writer of Mark made Jesus looks like a false prophet .

@@bpprovit IF Jesus was really related to any God, he sinned by association when he (and his “father”) drowned all the children in a global flood. (IF you believe Genesis is actual history.) It is also likely that since the supposed “history” of Jesus (written many years after his death) exaggerated his “sinless” nature.

Paul invented the “Christ” religion. Jesus was really known before this as Jesus Bar Abba (Origen documented this as it was in the original scriptures).

Saduccees were the faction that were mostly aristocracy, priests in the Temple and not mingled with the rest. Some of the reasons were ritual purity reasons. A zealot Pharisee that was a student of the most highly respected rabbi of his era, a person polyglot and a Roman citizen to boot, was the PERFECT person for that. The Sanhedrin included both Pharisees Sadducces anyways. It’s not that it was unprecedented.

yep, 70 'ad' - one of the most influential years in history. one day it'll be common knowledge

Because there's no reason to think that Christians were particularly militant or nationalist. That they had any connection with the Jewish Wars.

Why couldn't he also just be making things up? He says he does so himself!

The problem is that Ehrman is still committed to his former literalist dogma of a historical Jesus. It's the last refuge of believers and the last remnant of former believers. Robert M. Price was like Ehrman and held onto his prior fundamentalist belief in a historical Jesus for most of his career, until a few years when he finally acknowledged there is no evidence in support of this belief.

@@MarmaladeINFP yeah, I think it's astonishing that the notion of a historical jesus, particularly with a-theists, persists.

How many? For the Roman’s, Passover period was a high risk, with many zealous Jews crowding Jerusalem. 40, 50 followers, maybe even 20, would have been seen as a threat. Specially if Jesus actually caused some fuss at the Temple and if they crucified Him as an example.

My theory is that maintenance of the Temple and Pharisees and Roman taxes were too much for the common people, and Pharisees were acting as tax collector as well, and that was the cause of the rebellion. That must have happened after the death of Jesus, which was a common name at that time. If there was a temple, the rebels knocked it out, not the Romans. There was no reason for the Romans to destroy the temple, which would hurt the Pharisees.

Always wondered why JUDAS had to point him out or identify him for arrest if he was well known...

@@almazchati4178 debatable. Destroying enemy temples and religious symbols was common practice at the time. A way to humiliate enemies, show that their gods were not as powerful as they though and undermine any religious based rebellion. Remember that the Temple was sacked by Titus during the conquest. Retaliations were done gradually at the time : first, the sack, then the destruction of the source of pride, like temples, then the leveling of the city. The Jews suffered all three.

@@almazchati4178 The destruction of the Temple happened decades after the death of Jesus in 70AD during the First Jewish War. Along with the destruction of much of the city of Jerusalem.