I think a better contender for "Most Damaging Segment" would be Tony Schavone's infamous, "That'll put a lot of butts in seats," give away of Foley's title win.
Aldis got outta there because Corgin was getting too involved, the product was getting silly, and audiences were diminishing. I don’t blame him for getting away from there. Had Corgin stayed in the background where he belongs and let Aldis among others handle the wrestling shows, the NWA might be in a far better place right now.
@@gothard5 He only got out of there and went to WWE because Corgan refused to allow him to play politics backstage in order to be NWA champion again after Tyrus won the title.
@davetozin9502 Arn wouldn't be a good booker and he'd say so himself tbh. Now, if the talent in the NWA need help with their matches and coming up with good finishes, Double A would be a great hire.
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I don't think Billy actually said he was coming to CW... He said "a top 20 network"... He still maintains that he has a deal with a top 20 network... I think it's yet another case of the dirt sheets spreading misinformation like the usually do...
Well the democrats put stroke victims in the senate so I’m not so sure why democrats Jim and Brian are so surprised by Billy! He probably called everyone who questioned the appointment “ableist “, like Jim and Brian’s FAVORITE POLITICAL PARTY does
If anything a shot at tony would be someone offering billy it and him slapping it away saying he don't need that bullshit to run a company, this on the other hand was just a bit for that character
If it were produced like those Billionaire Ted skits, tongue and cheek with some jabroni dressed like Tony the Kid doing a bump with Sinister Minister, the skit might have gotten over. But, alas....
Corrigans biggest problem has always been his ego. That's what destroyed the Pumpkins back in the day. Even today the band is just Corrigan with a bunch of sideman who just happen to be original members. I would imagine his ego has hurt NWA just as bad. Losing Aldis and making Tyrus world champ pretty much prove that point.
NWA was never going with CW, Billy Corgan never said this the dirt sheets just ran with that story because they don't check their sources. And that may prove your point but not everyone feels the same about it as you. Check your ego before judging others.
In 1961, Jack Paar left “The Tonight Show” on NBC, because the network censored out a joke about a White House Cabinet meeting room, being mistaken for a Water Closet (toilet). Paar was implying that President Kennedy and his cabinet were “full of sh*t”.
Billy Corgan went on Sirius XM's Busted Open Radio and revealed the TV deal. Their PR guy, a good guy by the way, was sending out press releases about their TV cards and had to put a disclaimer on the press release that he has no information about a "rumored" TV deal. That immediately made me wonder what was up so when this thing went up in smoke, it wasn't exactly a shock. I think Billy jumped the gun on announcing this.. And that is really making them shine badly in the eyes f even their fans because they felt they had something big and now they don't.
He never announced a deal with CW. The same dirt sheet reported this deal was with the CW, Haus of Wrestling, with no source, is the same one reporting the deal was off, right before WWE announced a deal. Which said deal didn’t happen overnight.
@@overmetalspeaks So the report I read said Corgan said it on Sirius XM's Busted Open. I don't listen to Busted Open much so I can't say I heard him do it. That was never the case? If not, how did the story catch such fire?
@@IWRInteractive Billy did go on Busted Open. He announced 2 deals with the “a top 20 network” Haus of Wrestling reported CW. No one denied within the NWA, but why would they? Billy recently reiterated that he still has a deal . I think the dirt sheets are leaning on that CW has been looking for Wrestling.
Well Paramount Network, formerly Spike, might be a destinatio but I believe CW has ties to Paramount so this could stand in the way of that. Triple H isn't smart. He's obvious. His booking is obvious. And, every move he makes is slow moving and predictable miles in advance. The problem is, they're so big it is tough to derail the actions. @@overmetalspeaks
I went to a rolling stones show several years ago. I have a friend who works for the stones, and the Smashing Pumpkins were one of the opening act. There was a section for handicap people, and Billy Corgan signed autographs for everyone in that section. Class act.
I wish Jim Cornette was the owner of NWA. He knows how to book it. He got a lot of more history with it. I wish you was the Booker. I’ll actually give a damn about it. If you was the Booker and owner maybe Chris Masters would’ve been a heavyweight champion by now.
I can see how the Smashing Pumpkins could affect NWA. They were not active when Corgan started the promotion, and he was not touring on the same scale that he is now. The Pumpkins are one of the most successful bands of the last 30 years or so, and touring with them is a major production at this stage of their career. I can imagine that it would be difficult, if not impossible, for Corgan to do both, and devote the necessary amount of time to each of them. Obviously, the Pumpkins generate a helluva lot more income for Corgan personally, so the Pumpkins should be his priority. He may simply have too much going on at this point. He had no way to know that the Pumpkins would be reuniting when he started NWA, so it has likely reached a point where he will have to create some infrastructure and start delegating some of the responsibilities.
Sounds like he needs to go back to doing what he was doing before the pandemic - being an owner and letting the wrestling people take care of the wrestling shows.
@@DaltonRiley25 Totally subjective. Undeniable that they're still a huge touring act, and Corgan bringing the rasslers with him is a unique form of promotion that undeniably gets more eyes on his product. Pumpkins are opening for Green Day on a special Green Day anniversary tour. They headline everything else.
@cobracommanderspeaks Smashing Pumpkins are also going to "co-headline" a mini UK tour next June with Weezer but they're going on second so not really headlining that one either.
The Muhammad Hassan thing almost lost WWE their deal with UPN if they hadn't taken him off Smackdown years back. And of course, TNA getting bounced off of Spike TV because Dixie pissed off the network
Maybe Coregan never had a CW deal, and doing the coke spot has given the NWA a ton of publicity. Although its not "good publicity" ppl are talking about them, when they wouldnt have otherwise. Idk, trying to look at the positive here.
Corgan probably has to go on the road with the Pumpkins, just to be able to pay everybody in his wrestling promotion. They're not making it on PPV sales.
@@robertm.3520 And the Fingerpoke of Doom wasn't just screwing the fans out of the Nash-Hogan match, but also turning the Wolfpac back into Hogan's stooges, when the Wolfpac was one of the most popular things in WCW. Also, it was around this time that WCW reduced focusing on in-ring action and started trying to compete with the WWF on backstage shenanigans, T&A, car-crash TV etc. It became really bad under Russo, but the last ~7 months of Bischoff were also increasingly bad. They lost their USP vs. WWF and ECW. It was as if ECW did less hardcore/wild stuff and focused on walk-and-brawl punch-and-kick Attitude era wrestling.
Over the years in wrestling we've had necrophilia angles, people's real life addiction issues being turned into angles (Hawk, Scott Hall), and we even had one of the Road Warriors kayfabe commiting suicide over his addiction issues. But somehow this recent NWA faux pas is the worst, most shocking thing ever to happen in wrestling. We need to start ignoring what happens on twitter.
It's 2023 and we all know what the climate is. It was an all-time bonehead move. I'm surprised you're so quick to defend all that offensive stuff since, you know, you look Trans.
@@Shin-Blade doesn't matter. Social media crowds are loud and aren't representative of a whole community, just the loud minority. You in no way counter or refuted his statement. Try again.
You say that, but some of the issue is "time & place". You've had all those angles that seemed wild that didn't move needles, but then you also had a TV corporation pulling the plug on Mohammed Hassan or one "think piece" that blew Al Snow's HEAD gimmick way out of proportion (he supposedly was advocating for abusing and beheading women instead of being a crazy guy talking to a chunk of plastic/foam) where he had to stop using it. Much like the AEW thing with the quarters, the "Samhain Coke Spot" might have been a nothing issue six months ago or even six months from now. The wrong people seeing it at the wrong time took the story from a niche "haha, that's stupid... next" to "JESUS CHRIST! HOW COULD THEY?!?"
You know if anyone at NWA knows the middle aged bucks (sorry but when you’re knocking on 40’s door, young is silly) this is a possibility. You know TK is a mark for the famous. Shudder. 💪💥
I saw the Smashing Pumpkins a few years ago. I really went to see Noel Gallagher, who opened for them. Standing in line waiting to get in, there were several people in front of me talking about how the Pumpkins are the greatest band of all time. I disagreed with them in my head, but I digress.
People are trying to minimise this by comparing to Katie Vick etc. In WWE. Vince was always smart enough to do shady crap at a time when we didn't have Twitter.
Simon diamond has a stroke and the company puts him in charge of talent relations. So he's recovering from a stroke while dealing with talent who will make his blood pressure rise and may give him another stroke. Wtf is Corgan thinking. I hope Simon is doing well and he gets better.
Billy Corgan, Court Bauer and Dave Marquez negotiating with Anthem Sports and Entertainment (parent company of TNA Wrestling) to air the National Wrestling Alliance, Major League Wrestling and the United Wrestling Network to air NWA: Powerrr, MLW: Fusion and UWN: Championship Wrestling Primetime Live on AXS TV (home of TNA Wrestling) would be a smart move by Corgan, Bauer and Marquez. If TNA Wrestling, the National Wrestling Alliance, Major League Wrestling and the United Wrestling Network (governing authority over multiple promotions) formed an alliance and each of the promoters , along with TNA Wrestling President Scott D'Amore created a committee, then that's your territory system right there.
@@NATENIGHT23 it was a "new nwa". In order to join a promotion must have its own TV deal. The UWN shows are decent. Their partners (Memphis wrestling, championship wrestling etc) are kind of hard to watch. Some good talent though.
@@NATENIGHT23 the United Wrestling Network is Pro Wrestling governing authority, much like how the National Wrestling Alliance used to be a few decades ago. The United Wrestling Network (UWN) was founded and established on October 21, 2013 and is owned by David Marquez. The UWN has currently four Pro Wrestling promotion affiliates under the UWN, which the promotions are: [1]. Championship Wrestling (CW). Previously known as Championship Wrestling. The Pro Wrestling CW promotion is represented by Nikko Marquez, and based out of California. CW has been under the UWN from 2013 to present. [2]. Pro Wrestling Zero 1. Zero 1 is represented by Shinjiro Otani and is based in Japan. Zero 1 has been under the UWN from 2017 to present. [3]. Memphis Wrestling. Not to be confused with the short lived Memphis Wrestling, owned by the late Coery Mackin that lasted from 2003 to 2014, which the Memphis Wrestling evolved from the short lived Terry Golden owned. Memphis Championship Wrestling, that lasted from 2000 to 2001. The current Memphis Wrestling, of course is based out of Tennessee, represented by Dustin Starr, and has been under the UWN from 2019 to present. [4]. Derby City Wrestling. Derby City Wrestling was recently affiliated under the UWN in 2023 to present and is based out of Kentucky, which isa direct competitor to Kentucky based Ohio Valley Wrestling. Currently, the UWN has a partnership with Billy Corgan's National Wrestling Alliance (NWA) to produce the UWN+NWA weekly show called Primetime Live at the Thunder Studios, located in Long Beach, California. UWN: Primetime Live can be seen weekly on NWA's RU-vid channel.
3:00 The ECW Sandman Crucifixion resulted in Kurt Angle walking out of the arena & resulted in him not signing with ECW & almost turned him off of pro wrestling completely
@peacepunksean1942 you lost respect for Kurt when he didn't like or wanna work for a company doing a garbage ( extremely controversial spot)? Kurt was 100% right to walk away considering the company shut down not long after..
@@jasoncoles8063 Morton I understand he’s still a bit green and could definitely use some help with learning to talk. On the other hand Corino regardless of stature is a well rounded wrestler for his age and would definitely benefit from exposure from a company better than the NWA.
This was awesome. Billy Corgan must be on drugs or something because he just lost a lot of his talent when it comes time for them to resign. As far as most destructive spots that caused huge backlash on TV goes, the James Mitchell incident is tied with ECW's Raven crucifying Sandman on Pay Per View. The audience was "quiet" and Raven had to go out and publicly apologize for it.
Yup, those "loyalty tests" sound exactly like something Billy "I had a bad marriage and seven bad girlfriends in a row" Corgan would do. The guy isn't known for being an abusive sociopath for nothing. Imagine getting within sniffing distance of a TV deal and blowing it like this!
@@lracseroom8286 there own podcast on there own youtube channel at about 6 min 50 seconds in Kyle Davis states that they still have there tv deal . NWA not one time ever stated they had any deal with CW network .
I've also heard that Rancid and Smashing Pumpkins are not getting along with green day. Like for the majority of the people involved it's a big tour with 3 big bands from the 90s. But from what I've been hearing in Hardcore/punk circles is that Green Day wants to be treated like the headliner and its pissing people off. Take it we a grain of salt though, these rumors came from the punk and hardcore communities, who love to shit on green day for being posers. So this could just be shit talking for shit talking sake.
I kind of feel bad. I campaigned for La Rosa Negra to get back to NWA, pointed out Lightning One wasn't honoring a title shot she earned back when Tharpe owned it. People jumped on it, Jazz jumped on it. I thought I did an acquaintance a favor, but looks like my lack of foresight let one down instead.
Bummer to hear Simon Diamond's health isn't well. Under rated heel. I really liked the gimmick of Simon says to annoy. Along with that great entrance song in ECW. Hope he heals and gets better.
I haven't watched the NWA since the beginning of the Pandemic. When it came back, it was terrible and their commentating team is the worst ever. I have zero interest in the NWA and I don't see that changing anytime soon.
I don't think so... There has been much worse on TV... I saw the spot and it's really not a big deal... It wasn't even a close up shot... It's just the new age wokesters thing to soften everything up like they've done to so many things... Woke liberals and their tactics are really just another form of bullying by suppressing other peoples opinions and pushing their rhetoric onto everyone else that don't agree with them and trying to "cancel" them...
The Stone Cold/Vince comparison doesn't work here, simply because the WWE was still making a ton of money afterwards. The Benoit murder/suicide had a bigger financial impact on the WWE than Stone Cold's heel turn.
Billy Corgan figured out life: he made a couple great pieces of art, a lot of money, and then has spent the last quarter century being a total asshole doing whatever the fuck he wants with no regard to anyone's opinion of him.
Most damaging individual segment for one company: Fingerpoke of Doom, WCW. I know the infamous Schiavone call on Foley's WWF title win happened the same night, they even had Golberg's idiotic stalking and arrest angle, but those last five minutes were a leap in logic and top face burial so horrifically bad, they could never possibly recover the audience.
For any one that cares "Samhain" the name of the NWA ppv mentioned is pronounced "sou" like (sour) and when". The word is from the Celtic language. Celebration of the end of the harvest season (nov 1st) in pagan times and associated with winter/darkness/death. Halloween in Gaelic is Oiche Samhain. Now back to laughing at the guys 😂
