I could totally see Tony Khan yelling at MJF like he was Tommy Wiseau in “The Room”: “Everybody betray me! I’m fed up with this company! You’re a chicken! Oh hi Sammy! How’s your sex life?!”
I was initially thrown by your post and thinking who quotes Tommy Wiseau, and further, is able to recall a scene in the movie (actually watched the movie) and expects other to know the reference? Ah, it's an AEW update and judging by the 30+ upvotes in less than an hour, you know your brethren's tastes well.
@@davidmeichner8346 my god dude, do you know understand laughter? Just because Jim is an asshole, it's his character but does your devotion to him take away your sense of joy? Why can people not just like what they wanna like without ridicule? Sorry that people enjoy entertainment that you can't because you can't stop being a jaded douchebag who thinks that people should only find entertainment that fits you're view of what's entertaining (which probably has 3 things on it). You may be worse than 97 Shawn in terms of ego, only difference is he has talent and looked like he enjoyed himself
Cornette makes great points about what all it takes to run things behind the scenes. Sometimes, fans watch a bunch of shoot interviews and think the entire process is easy. Dealing with people is never easy. Especially, in a highly pressurized environment like wrestling.
@@bwfextreme For example, I at least understand that just because I can do a little backseat driving on someone else’s idea, and can MAYBE come up with a few ideas of my own, doesn’t mean I can do all of that on the fly, while dealing with injuries, egos, HR issues, salary disputes, etc. at the same time. This is why I’m not in such a rush to call Cornette wrong on things. He has seen a lot of what Khan would face before Khan did.
It's pretty simple to me: 1. MJF is presented as a top guy 2. He consistently gets some of the biggest crowd reactions when he's in the arena 3. When he's on I can't take my eyes off the screen. MJF is worth all the money WWE's probably offering him, and Tony needs someone as young and talented as him. If he let Maxwell go and keeps people like those dark order guys, he's just insane.
The question is how can you think a guy with a character like that and being just 5'9 could be presented as a superstar with caliber. I mean we all saw how ec3 faired in wwe what makes max so special that he would thrive
@@jagj2803 Oh I never said WWE would use him well. Guy's super talented Vince and creative could screw up even a guy like The Rock these days. He could make more money in WWE but could also be completely wasted.
He could fire the whole dork order including Adam page and give all the money to MJF. Would be a solid move imo. Make sure MJF beats page on the way out so he can do the walk of shame.
Tony realizing he has to be a businessman and not everyone's friend. If you can't, hire a legit booker and start delegating power. Otherwise grow a spine.
@@richeyd12 Ratings up, PPV numbers up, product never been better, next TV deal will increase. Roster has been purged of unneeded and problematic talent. Such bad business...
@@johnnymittle How are their ratings up? They’ve done the same 800,000 to 1,000,000 viewers forever now. Every so often you’ll see them do 1.1 million but for the other 46 weeks of the year that’s where they live. Even before Punk and Danielson
Funny though because 2 years ago Jim said he would stop giving compliments to people that let him down. That was when mjf had his singing and dancing with Chris. He broke his word for mjf.
Basically we are all Marks.. Everybody who watches Pro Wrestling are Marks.. All these dumb ass labels because someone has an opinion on Pro Wrestling.. Stupid..
I was buying that interview until he started praising the make out session on NXT 2.0 Had he not mentioned that in such a smart ass tone I would've bought the whole interview as a shoot.
@@dgb7984 - I would be absolutely stunned if Danhausen was signed to a six-figure contract; his value is backstage vignettes, commentary, and the occasional comedy spot. Darby Allin and Orange Cassidy, on the other hand, certainly fits into Cornette's description. (And I say that with fondness for both Darby and OC...)
Ariel Helwani is a well known journalist, who would provide far more exposure than any wrestling journalist. Khan should be happy MJF got that interview and everything MJF said dropped with irony and means nothing.
The marks got worked, what were the odds.... On a more serious note, helwani is legit sports and combat sports journalist, has a lot of legitimacy and credibility and clout in this area, it will be 10 Times more valuable for publicity than any wrestling outlet interview, because wrestling is niche nowadays...
@@arthurdaffos1490 it's kinda silly to insinuate Tony being one of those marks got worked. Nobody outside of his family and friends knows him better than Tony. You'd think he'd know when MJF is and isn't working. Even in interviews.
@@NYC_Goody i was mostly referring to the other wrestlers whose he, allegedly, has heat with. And why do you care anyway, its not like my opinion has any weight whatsoever
@@rolandmeyer7853 but let me guess you are one of the people like me who like Undertaker, Paul Bearer, Kane, boogeyman, Sting, Aleister Black, the Demon king, Bray Wyatt all of those are Supernatural characters literally Malachi Black is literally the devil that lost his memory he said it himself on his channel and but everyone loved the puppets from the Firefly Funhouse
Tony hasn't thought further than the initial hype surrounding AEW. Most of the guys they signed in the first few months would probably have signed for any amount of $, they just wanted to spot on TV. Now you have the guys like MJF that are shifting the numbers, they naturally want a better deal as they are much more valuable to the brand. Tony needs to shift from being everyone's friend to doing real business. The honeymoon is over, time to get serious.
All the new signings with Keith Lee & the women's division upgrades etc while letting all the old contracts go are proof he is. Taking 2-3 million & letting 500k or so go. He is not only increasing spending but spending wisely.
But the first move of businessman Tony is giving MJF a reality check...which is just like the WWE-TNA homegrown talent embargo of the Spike years, guys that go to AEW first, like MJF, will not be getting WWE offers, no matter how much Bruce likes them. And with MLW's lawsuit, there's not a chance WWE will take anybody without pre-existing WWE IP from AEW. Then TK pulls up RU-vid and shows MJF his stats are mediocre, then over to Twitter where where doesn't even have half of Omega's followers, and he tells him "All the Corny-side of the IWC praise won't change the reality that AEW is more valuable to you than you are to AEW, so STFU and do what I tell you to do"
Kurt Angle's contract another good example. Turned down 500k a year for 10 years in 1996. Signed a 50k a year developmental a couple of years later, but cleared 1mil his first year thanks to bonuses.
@@MrSniperfox29 well either way that was smart of Kurt to get the contract he wanted.. Kurt Angle didn't need Pro Wrestling, Pro Wrestling needed a guy like Kurt Angle..
@@kenrickeason Actually he didn't get the contract he wanted because he believed he should never lose (duh I'm a real wrestler). The WWF told him to jog on because they were not bowing to the demands of an unproven rookie. Angle only went back a year later because he realised he couldn't live off his "olympic gold medal" for the rest of his life in the real world and accepted a much lower deal now that he'd smartened up.
It’s ok, Uncle Dave says everything is totally ok and cool with AEW. It’s just like when he would always say the EVPs all get along. Dave is completely believable quashing any whispers of issues in AEW
Jim is unaware of the issues crippling America, like Biden and his scrotes that "lead" with him. But will turn into a balloon about to burst when he doesn't mention Trump for 20 minutes
Tony is getting to that stage where his ego and delusions of grandeur is gonna end up pushing away the talent he needs to keep the company going. WWE would love nothing more than to poach more AEW guys especially if they are under 30. Tony is planting the seeds for a mighty downfall and he won’t get it until its too late or someone reins him in.
MJF can not go to Wee Wee, what would he be allowed to do? What would MJF be allowed to say? *MJF would become the most boring, insignificant individual in the Wee Wee!*
@@malikevans2615 are you 4? You lack reading comprehension to say the exact point I was making, while trying to insult me for saying the same thing. *Without curse words MJF would be boring!* Why are people so stupid these days?
@@SteveSega in all fairness he doesn't even need the swear words, he just needs SOME freedom. Most of the stuff he says aren't even considered swears anyway "rednecks, schmucks ect"
If he's really at the top of Nick's want list like reported a while back, especially after the "no more Indy guys" decree, I could see MJF as that "top weasel heel that makes things interesting in the main event" alongside guys like Gable Steveson and Bron "totally not a Steiner" Breakker
@@psychobluesfxt MJF would be huge in WWE but they will definitely neuter him to fit their company practices. But I’m sure they will give him some creative freedom because the guy is way to good
@@Josh-dy4lq Best case in the most realistic realm would be if it was like how New Jack was in SMW, no banned profanity and outwardly inappropriate stuff but still the same level of viciousness on the mic.
money aside he wants to go where he'll be used correctly. WWE is the last place he'd want to go given that criteria, they'd put him in a chicken suit, but I guess he'd ultimately do it if the money was too good to pass up.
I just don't see what all the hype is behind CM Punk or guys like mjf they don't have a presence about them just because it's 2022 and they can talk the used every single Cheap Trick that they can think of use all the cheap heat and everything that they can to get those two guys over but I just don't see it I don't see what the big deal is I don't see what the hype is back then you had guys like Batista of Scott Steiner that could draw houses just with their presence alone they didn't have to talk they could draw houses just with their presence alone that's what it was like back then those guys were the stars right now it's just like they're trying to get over these guys with every single trick in the book I guess it will work to some extent but in the long-term it's just going to fail
It's a work. Plain & simple. It's got people talking. He will have the world title around that time. Bet on it. The world will be watching!!! buncha marks lmao these guys are having to kayfabe themselves in order to get the smarks over
Yeah, unfortunately for me, someone who desperately wanted another company to compete with WWE and present WRESTLING, I see a crash and burn with TK. I just can't see him surviving.
Well this is one thing that happens when you overpay everybody from the beginning. The people with actual value want to see themselves more in line with the bigger stars that you already paid for
The Indy guys who started AEW are pissed off that the former WWE guys are coming and making more money than them. It's pretty obvious and is common sense. I have no idea why people like Metlzer and Alvarez are pretending everything is fine in AEW and this isn't an issue, Of course it is.
Tony overpaid all the WWE cast offs and overpaid Punk Because he thought they would actually move the needle in the ratings for an extended period of time. The problem is there is simply no room It's in the industry for a number 2 to ever get his close to the number one as it was in the nineties. There simply is not enough wrestling fans anymore. They watch they watch reality TV now. Think about it reality TV today is what wrestling was in the eighties and nineties. The moment reality TV Hit wrestling fan numbers have been on a steady decline And has plateau'd at about 1 to 2 million people. People used to think wrestling was real, Or so in the eighties than the nineties, But instead of watching wrestling for They're scripted shows they think are not scripted they now watch reality shows for their shows they think are not scripted but are. There will never be another number 2 like WCW was or WWF was or when wcw was number one. Is everything is just too fragmented now.
Exactly, too much to watch now. Not enough prowrestling fans to watch, ufc, Bellator and mma in general have siphoned off a huge portion of the audience years ago, then you’ve got streaming services all over, wwe was smart getting a streaming deal with peacock. That’s the future of television viewing. Cornette can’t understand this because all he watches is traditional tv, that’s why all he parrots is cnn talking points like a boomer. God forbid he actually read something like the Wall Street journal or associated press online etc. No. I think that’s one facet Jim doesn’t understand and just blames the low ratings on rotten wrestling now that’s part of it, but not the whole picture. You get it.
You are definitely on to something with the reality TV take. Reality TV exploded on the scene from 2000 to 2010. It would be interesting to see a chart with the boom of reality TV and pro wrestling decline in the US and see their relationship to each other
I read that Malakai Black is on $2 million ayear, which got me thinking. There's going to come a point where ex-WWE people like PAC, Malakai, FTR, Ruby, Rusev and Andrade's contracts are going to expire. By then their stock and bargaining power is going to be lesser than it was when WWE released them. What's going to happen then? Is Tony going to want to continue pay Malakai Black two million a year to appear on Dark? There isn't a single ex-WWE AEW roster member that's in a better position than they were in WWE. For all the talk of AEW "giving people a place to perform", I feel like AEW's existance has harmed wrestling as a whole, indie wrestling was far better in 2017 than it is now (AEW killed RoH) and imagine being a lapsed fan of the Attitude Era (a real one, not a pretend one on Reddit) and hearing the buzz about this new company that's "real prowrestling", getting excited and then actually seeing this big budget trampoline fed bullshit. One more thing; I bet Tony cried. He seems like the type to cry.
You make valid points. From what I have seen on different video threads and comment sections, the audience they appeal to doesn't want to hear any of it. From their perspective, AEW is doing just fine and so on and so on. AEW is competition, they are getting good numbers, WWE better be careful because they can go out of business any minute ( they almost forget that it would be horrible if WWE went under for so many reasons) I am pretty sure you have read all the statements they lay out over and over again. At some point, you just have to throw your hands up in the air and give up because there is nothing you can say to them at this point.
@@JackTheripper911 I guess Khan would get some sense in 2 years. Or maybe he will keep getting his ego bigger by dummy marks and nothing good will happen.
If I’m Tony, I’d tell MJF to keep doing what he’s doing and in exchange for getting the creative freedom to keep “shoot interviewing”, they turn it into a money character where MJF is AEW’s Stone Cold.
Smart move for Tony Khan is keep doing these interviews and these shoots we have we should turn this into a work and bring more eyes to the product.. Tony Khan needs a Creative Team or another Veteran Booker like Jim Cornette or Dutch Martell to balance some things out.. Edited: Hire a street team to put up posters, go to the malls and set up shop selling merchandise or do radio commercials.. Tony Khan needs a team who knows how to push his product into people's home..
well, the smart way to think about it is paying him a big raise now is getting a deal compared to what you'd have to pay him in 2024. Money is only going to go up from here.
Malkaikai at most is 750,000 a year. This is the problem with khan, overpaying these rising stars. By the next contract, malakai gona want 3 million or more. The 2 million he is getting now, is what he should get in the next contract, if he becomes a top main event star.
Jim is by far the best and most realistic guy talking about wrestling. The pay raises Nash fostered in WCW were not good for the business or the fans. It was good for old workers with name value to always outearn and spot hold forever.
@@x2bannedyoutubeaccount408 yeah, why would he make Tracy Smothers champ when he was from the territory and really over with that crowd? When I go to my local indy fed, I expect John Cena to show up as champ, not the best, most over indy guy they have.
Curious to see what everyone thinks, did hall, nash, and hogan do more to hurt the wrestling business in the long run? With the outrageous contracts, wcw folding and leaving wwe as basically a monopoly for the next 20 years and now the business is the worst its ever been. Thoughts?
It was great for the business. Every wrestler with a guaranteed contract today owes it to Hall and Nash. I don't give a rat's ass if it's good for "the business" when "the business" is run by billionaires with money to spare. And yes, it's good for the fans when the talent are paid well and treated like human beings.
Tony Khan problem was he didn't had a spine to beging with, Vince has a bunch experience he already walk a lot miles in the wrestling business, all those problem we seeing Vince already had them, that's why he doesn't give too much power to the wrestler cause shit like this would come up. Tony needs to talk to MJF and give him a new contract and just clean the house with the wrestlers he doesn't need that way he keep guys like MJF. Marco Stunt, Serpetico, Danhausen, even Orange Casisdy needs to leave, and keep guys with little more promise but not over paid them cause they're still green.
It would be hysterical to see this happen, all the aew marks welcoming the wwe wrestlers even though originally aew didn't want to be another wwe now some are leaving thats not ok and are salty lol.
@@jtg1972 don't say that, for these fans everyone starts their career in wwe, they don't care if they start on other companies before, it's the iwc mentallity most of them, so you will not win the argument with corny fans.
@@joaquimaraujo96 only vince thinks that, but I say that because its where they worked for a long time and made their name like the hardys chris jericho cm punk Daniel Bryan, william regal, rusev, big show, mark Henry before being let go or in the case of toni storm and Jeff hardy ran away.
Head Mark in Charge lmao I would pay top dollar for a shirt that says HMIC with a picture of a seal peering through a block of ice or maybe Rick Moranis with extra curly hair.
Brian’s right. The Padres Baseball team rewarded their young star player Fernando Tatis from making 500k to a 300 million mega contract to make sure he goes nowhere
The problem AEW has is that it’s NOT WWE and once upon a time everyone on the AEW roster was a kid with a dream to be in the WWE and wrestle at Wrestlemania, AEW has none of that lore or Mania. That alone is a bargaining chip.
I'd let Jericho go and for the money I save offset that to keep MJF, let some contracts expire and shrink the roster a bit so the talent pool can stop being diluted and the finance pool can be stronger.
From a company standpoint I can understand why a national promotion would want to have a wrestler run an appearance by them just to make sure they are prepared for any backlash/reaction to it that may come their way. If I were the booker/promoter, I would give MJF carte blanche to say whatever the hell he wanted to say, as long as he was being himself. Controversy creates cash, and I think people are going to be keeping an eye on MJF and as a result, AEW, for the next year plus until that contract runs out.
@@ak96ful1 No, you can't. That's for true. I also think, with no facts to back me up, that the whole "heated argument" thing is bullshit. Or, as the kids these days call it - a "work". LOL
Only MJF gets it. The other 3 pillars aren't anything special, whatever flippy floppy stuff they do, some other midgit in AEW could do, they are all workrate and no personality. It's head scratching that TK thinks Dante, Yuta and Garcia are future stars when they have no personality/lack of mic skills, all workrate and nothing else. TK should be finding the next MJFs, the next Punk's, the next Danielson's, the next Cena's, people with unwavering confidence, promo ability, the larger than life personalities are the reason why most people watch wrestling, this types of talents are one of a kind, because you can never replace or replicate a personality.
I'd fire 10 people to keep 1 MJF. They have a very trimmable roster, make the man happy. Give him what he wants to stick around. Get rid of people who will never show an ounce of the value MJF has and pad his paycheck.
Move the needle ? How doses mjf move the needle ? Going from 900 to 930 isn’t moving the needle. MJF is coo but we gotta stop overrating ppl before they done anything good they talking like he’s great I don’t see it
They is no way AEW is making, the tv revenue money is 90 million a year, the top 12 AEW highest paid wrestlers per year, 45 million alone and thats just the top 12, then you ROH that was bought for 40 or 50 million, then you have the game made from scratch that AEW are also paying for, i just find it weird because no one ever talks about AEW financial problems that will happen and currently are
I bet its the Bucks and Fingerbang crying to Tony because MJF are outworking all of them. Even after having gone through a program with Jerico the heat killer.
Calling it like I see it, All Elite should be called TNAEWCW! At least with Impact Wrestling, their bouncing back and producing relatively good TV, despite, and like others, still stuck in McMahon's version of wrestling.
Either MJF is gonna make AEW pay him a boatload of money to stay or he's gonna have Prichard, Heyman, Cody, whoever in WWE that's a fan of him pester Vince to sign him to big bucks lol.
If someone on the roster was pissed and complained to Tony to force the issue with MJF, it has to be Kenny/the Bucks. MJF isn't part of their circle and MJF is a MAJOR threat to Kenny's status as "top guy". And if the rumors that Kenny may be trying for a May return without getting all of his surgeries, it indicates that the remaining "Elites" are TERRIFIED that their days are numbered and Kenny is coming back still hurt/injured to preserve their behind the scenes power.
I said 6 months ago.... I can't wait for the interviews to begin so we hear about all the shlt that goes on behind the scenes, and the cracks are appearing..... 😏
If it was Dave Meltzer he wouldn't be mad. As much as people and Jim get on wwe they atleast tell you like any real company when they're done. It's worse for a guy whose suppose to be your boss doesn't even tell you officially you don't work with the company. Marks will say "Atleast he pays people and doesn't fire people." Those are people that don't have a job or never ran a business.
MJF working Tiny Khanman for more money is exactly what he should do. MJF is one of the best heels in the business, he is an amazing young talent and as we've seen now, even the EVPs are no longer high on the food change pay-wise. MJF is done some of his best work in AEW and is one of the only real highlights of the show. The Khanman should be throwing as much money as he can in hopes MJF never jumps ship. HMIC, Head Mark In Charge, I have to remember to use that, a great like for the coked-up one.
Mjf draws more than their world champion He should be paid more than page If i were mjf I'd be upset if i learned i earn less than page who doesn't draw a dime
I'm saying this as an AEW fan, the honeymoon period is coming to an end. The way things have panned out, it really isn't surprising at all that the company is cutting ties with guys like Janella and Big Swole. When they try to big-time the company in interviews, acting like they got a raw deal (even if they possibly did), it comes across as a bit desperate. MJF, however, has easily been one of the biggest standout stars of the company since it launched, he rose well above the pack of the initial roster. He should be making top star money in that company because he is a top star.
My "honeymoon period" with AEW ended when Adam Cole joined. Then the rest of his band..and then Keith Lee. Now Toni Storm. I liked AEW better than NXT and now it's just 2020 NXT-light.
Tony should give MJF more than he asks for, keep him happy as a clam. Give him a real diamond ring and a solid gold throne. He's the best thing since Roddy Piper
nothing mjf said in that interview was bad on aew and gave publicity to aew and they should know about his persona and that he stays in character no matter what and he's almost a free agent and he should put himself out there because literally every promotion will want him he's the best I've seen on the mic and takes the business and kayfabe seriously he's awesome like literally awesome and the way he talked about the business and how it is a business he spoke just straight facts and good for him
AEW is like Borderlands 3, we were all excited when it was coming out, it was hyped now some of the stuff is great like the gameplay but the writing and characters suck and that is AEW. Every once in a while they’ll throw something great at you but then you have weeks and weeks of dumb shit like jericho felating himself on live television, orange cassidy, marko runt, the dork odor and anytime the young bucks do anything and then it becomes a chore to watch. And then they want you to spend 60$ to experience it for 4 hours every 3 months.
Punk is a has been. MJF is better on the mic, heat magnet and doesn't sugar coat it. He should be payed Punk money and if Khan isn't going to he'll just go to WWE but on his terms, that's what good businessmen do, just like Cody. 🤷♂️
Lmao when he bashes Pockets at 17:30. He can’t help himself, when Marko stunt and jelly Nutella left, he needs a new whipping boy and pockets just graduated.
I don't think Cody leaving is about the money. What Paul Heyman said is probably more on the money. The direction of the company isn't what he originally envisioned or moving towards, it would be no surprise if he felt disillusioned.
Supposedly the WWE offer is similar cash. They pitched a sports based show with rankings that mattered but now it's constant signings and it's a super Indy promotion. It's like WCW without the main stars and the money isn't running out
The thing is in the end of all this Tony has one job when it comes to the sea of young talent he has and that’s sign MJF to a big contract literally the only guy that’s kept up with him is Punk and punk is most likely making the most of the non evps and what not alongside Danielson so if Tony knows anything about what he has in that locker room MJF is The Guy
If there was a PhD in business, psychology political science fortune-telling and economics in wrestling, I believe cornette has all of it hanging on his wall
I get that MJF is a great talker and a really good worker but the dude works like 4 matches a year. Am I the only one that like to see my great talker / workers wrestling more? Maybe because I grew up with stone cold, young Jericho, rock, Kurt Angle and hell...even HHH. It feels like those guys were constantly talking and working at a crazy pace and 4 times a week. I imagine that those guys in their prime would talk/work circles around MJF...
All the big names in AEW about to extort Tony for a lot of money once their contracts are up. They're about to turn Tony into the bad guy because he's not going to like what they're going to be asking. He thinks his roster is there because they're friends...he'll soon find out
As someone fairly new to AEW, I cannot get over how HUGE their roster appears to be. Other than a handful of talent right, the rest of the roster you might get to see once every three to four weeks, if you're lucky. Even with four shows, I don't understand how they keep most of the mid-carders happy.
He's worked the audience for AGES about going to WWE, I don't really like that Brian and Corny forgot to mention that. He literally said there'd be a bidding war for him in 2024. This was mostly a nonissue, lol.
Because MJF is the best heel in the modern business and knows the best way to get heat in AEW, where the fans hate the evil empire of WWE, is to say that’s where you’re gonna go as soon as you can. He’s a genius. But I don’t think MJF is dumb enough to think WWE won’t totally fuck up the character he’s organically built. He’ll be there 6 months, get his name changed to just Friedman, and spend 7 months trading wins with Seamus.
