Jimmy Fallon, Lizzo, & The Downfall of Toxic Media Workplaces | Controversy Explained 

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It's almost as if all workplaces need democratic unions to deal with the huge power imbalance between employers and employees.

The first job I ever had was as a server at Steak 'n Shake from ages 16-22. It was the most abusive job I've ever endured, and I've never worked in a restaurant since. Ten years later, I still feel like I haven't fully recovered from it. Jobs are a massive part of our lives, and these kinds of workplaces really negatively affect people. I could relate to the poor person who said they thought about taking their life.

The attitude of "You should be grateful, there are thousands of people waiting to take your place" is sadly rampant in the entertainment industry.

I always liked Conan because he felt relatable not because he was always nice but because he seemed a little nuts and wasn’t afraid to let the uglier parts of himself become part of his persona. Though it seems he knows how to keep that in check and treat his employees well when it counts. He has people on his team who have worked with him for decades, Fallon couldn’t keep a show runner for more than a few years.

Christina Ricci really did say it best (though it was in the case of Danny Masterson) when she simply said, 'Awesome guys can be predators and abusers too.' Now, obviously, workplace toxicity and se×ual assault are two very different ballparks, but they do share common traits in regard to intimidation, isolation, gaslighting, and victim blaming. I believe that in a lot of ways, Ellen, Lizzo, Jimmy, and other such media personalities like them are probably genuinely likeable in many ways. But the idea that they are absolute angels without wings---- especially in an industry that is known for ruthlessness and hustle culture in order to, not just succeed, but to then maintain your success at the top---- is an complete fantasy. Surely, such sustained, prolonged and internalized stress that is a byproduct from that kind of 'work ethic' has got to chip at your soul and literally warp your brain.... Im just grateful that those employees didnt drink the koolaid and found the courage to speak out 💖

The graphic (and the actual study) said 75% of the workers that did actively speak out faced retaliation, but the VO stated that 75% of workplace harassment incidents go unreported. That's a significant difference.

We had a problem with a manager at our job. There was a high overturn rate. She was rude to everyone. The only way she left was after a few of the assistant managers decided not to work with her anymore. If no one showed up who was going to get stuff done. It wasn't quite a coordinated effort but it got the job done. Now we have a better work environment and a lot more people are sticking around instead of leaving.

That feeling of "am I going crazy?" is all too real...the toxic work environment messes with our perception of what is acceptable and not acceptable when it comes to our boundaries...

“Always try to be nice, but never fail to be kind.”

I hate it when bosses/businesses/offices deny the allegations and chalk it up to lies from a "disgruntled employee," as if anyone who ever had any complaint against the business MUST be lying. Like no, you gave us plenty of reasons to be disgruntled. That's why we are complaining. Just because an employee is disgruntled, that doesn't mean they're lying.

It's somewhat puzzling that so many people don't differentiate between advocacy for justice and advocacy for oneself. Just because a woman is fighting to break barriers doesn't mean she's fighting for all women - sometimes she's just fighting for herself. Lizzo bodyshaming people is a prime example, but also the whole girlboss, liberal feminism idea. If you're not trying to challenge the structures that enable women's (or any vulnerable group's) oppression, but merely want a place on top with the men, then you're not a feminist, you're just a very ambitious opportunist.

In terms of a behind the scenes team the did it right and dealt with an issue like this in the correct way look to The Try Guys. When Ned was exposed and the incident happened they didn't cover it up or try and sweep it under the carpet or pump out the PR machine to save their own asses. Nope they got Ned out of the company, addressed the issue directly and said that it was a bad thing that they did not condone and won't condone. They knew the image they had built up and that what Ned did didn't align with that so they removed the source of the issue and found a new way to carry on. I admire that because it shows that integrity is at their core. They knew the responsibility they have towards their fans and knew that there were expectations from them so they took the matter seriously and took the appropriate actions. I feel many of these other media work places could learn a lesson or two from The Try Guys and how they dealt with the Ned situation.

I do hate it in films and tv when bosses bully their employees and we’re supposed to forgive them and route for them because they show a softer side or are nice to the main character, without ever taking responsibility for their terrible past actions Examples of this Late Night, Devil Wears Prada, Supergirl, House, Anchorman, Violet Crawley

How is anyone surprised by this? Did people not notice how easily he got annoyed by guests, even for a moment before he managed to disguise his reaction? Or his horribly awkward quarantine episodes where you could see his children being terrified of him?

For 3 years I worked in a place with a super toxic work environment. It started from the top. When I put my foot down, my work days were made a living hell and I was the one reprimanded when I reported on my co-worker, a friend of the higher ups, who was doing extremely questionable things with the young children in our care. Once I left, it was like a breath of fresh air. I realized now, years later, that I have trauma left over from that time and I'm now seeking therapy to work it out. I sometimes still here the horror stories from my people who still work there and I'm shock with how little can be done when the power vacuum is so small. If you're working in a toxic work environment, I hope you can choose to leave and find a different job. Your mental health and well-being deserve better!

Something I often worry about in regards to toxic workplaces, is that so much of "moving up" or making more in a company is promoting to a managerial ("middle management") position. Too many people end up in positions of power or leadership that they aren't meant for, but they're not going to get paid their worth otherwise. And when you're not good with handling other people,, you find it stressful, or you really just don't like it, that creates toxic workplaces VERY quickly. Even the best coworker can turn into the asshole boss. I've definitely been the toxic manager before, because they wouldn't just let me take on more responsibility in my current position without promoting since the pay increases wouldn't be "justified" otherwise.

I don't know why people are so surprised when their tv persona does not match their real personality. These people are acting, they are at work and presenting the right image for the job. Emotional labour is a real thing across many industries. You can be entertained by these tv show hosts, but you cant assume you know them as people.

As long as Keanu Reeves doesn't turn out to be toxic, then I'm fine

I think that the fundamental issue that leads to the creation of these toxic work environments is the top-down power structures used in nearly all workplaces. When there is that much power concentrated in the hands of so few, it is almost inevitable that it is going to lead to those at the top making life miserable for those they employ. Perhaps the best solution to all of the workplace issues coming to light over the past several years is to abolish the top down power structure, and create one in which the employees have the power to create an environment that allows for the organizations to run effectively while operating in a humane environment.

As far as I can tell, one of the few places where not-being-nice is somewhat accepted is rock-music. Toxic-fanbases aside, there are plenty of stories of rock/metal-celebs being terrible people, but seem to get a pass. Motley Crue has a book that's nothing but their dirty-laundry. One of my favorite musicians, Kurt Cobain was a task-master when recording Nevermind and In Utero.

I always got mildly annoyed when my friends would share youtube links about Ellen, Jimmy, and James Corden in our group chat, telling a friend once that it wasn't just cringe but "something about them I didn't like"....intuition is a powerful thing.

I don't care who is a a toxic boss, lord knows there is no one nice at the top in showbiz. But if it ever comes out that Conan O'Brian is a terrible person...... well yeah not gonna lie that is gonna hurt a lot (even though I don't know him) and probably the first time where a news about a celebrity will affect my faith in my fellow human being.

Tbh I’m glad people like this are declining in popularity

Instead of focusing on Lizzo, an entertainer with a pending lawsuit, I wish that The Take had focused on James Corden; it would have made more sense due to Ellen DeGeneres and Jimmy Fallon both being talk show hosts. Also, i find it quite rich that Tina Fey has so much smoke for others when her reputation is not the best either...

I learned the hard way, there is not such thing as a dream job

We actually ran out abusive supervisor out. It was amazing and I’ll be chasing that high for the rest of my life

I would love it if you guys did a take on character actors.

I love that Conan is the good guy - but what about his treatment towards Schlansky? 😂❤

Love your content. I’m still waiting for a series of videos dedicated to The Americans.

_”The harder they smile and the more they dance on that stage, the more skeletons they are hiding.”_ - Adam Carolla stating his feelings on Ellen Degeneres 3 years before she got cancelled

As someone who worked in tv, I can contest that it's an extremely toxic work environment. Rampant sexual, physical, and verbal harassment not taken seriously, hard work not appreciated, favouritism and exclusion, humiliation. I'm still recovering mentally, financially, and career-wise.

Can you please do a video on interabled relationships in movies and tv shows. I feel like you guys would really cover it well

There seems to just not be any good dream jobs out there, at least not in the traditional sense.

When Nicole Kidman explained how she was interested in Jimmy and Jimmy ignored her when she was at his apartment to play video games? Yeah, I knew something wasn't right about this guy or how he treated people behind the scenes...

What’s interesting is that Conan loves to act like a terrible boss when the cameras are on but is actually a great person.

My dad has said that some people are jerks and some are scum - but generally, it's much worse to be scum. I tend to agree, especially if said scummy person hides behind a pleasant facade.

When I heard about Fallen, I thought about the Tina Fey book. There are usually signs that get ignored.

employment laws should change and be pro employees rather than employers. so ironic that a first world country like USA has sucky laws for workers compared to developing countries like Thailand that has good worker benefits any time it is employee vs employer , the laws protect the employees. Also CONAN is awesome!! Unfortunately he is the EXCEPTION not the RULE!

I think it's easier to people to be "mean" and "a horrible person" when you are a boss and in jobs, they let you do that, he probably isn't a bad person but having a position of power and people trying to please you MAKES you an asshole if no one stops you and makes you touch grass, people makes mistakes and it's so easy to be mean, it's impossible to be nice ALL the time, so a lot of stress does make you act up, but still that all of that ISN'T an excuse, you should always care about the people around you, more if they work for you, having a psychologist/therapist working in the company could resolve a lot, with the authority they need too

I'm always in awe at the quality of these videos. It's incredibly rare coming from a large channel that employs multiple people like this.

I always knew something was off about Jimmy Fallon. He always felt too corporate and fake. Glad to know my hunches were right.

I think this happens in all walks of life when working for either famous or powerful people. I think the act this way because of power, pressure, or it is who they really are and they know they can get away with their bad behavior because they are money makers and there is a line of people to replace employees who no longer willing to work for them.

How to call out Johnny Depp fans without naming him 🤣🤣

I was shocked too but again these celebs are human and just like everyone they show a nice version of themselves or put on that mask of niceness just like everyone else. This is why I don't like people who idolize celebs. They are humans and have their faults and when a scandal does come out it's as if people act that these were angels and how dare they slip up. We all make mistakes and I'm not taking their side but people need to realize that there are the bad/dark side of celebs that we dont know of. So yeah I dont know much to say here. 🤷‍♀️

Great video !

10:17 for everyone. It's been like that for EVERYONE.

The niceness act is an act of compensation.

"It just always felt like 'You should be grateful you have a job and you should be grateful that you have this position at this show, at this network'" gives a lot of Devil Wears Prada "A million girls would kill for this job" energy, and that just doesn't sit right

Thank you for talking about Conan, as his fan, I obviously have an opinion on this entire situation but honestly, I think it was the best that the whole NBC debacle happened because Conan did not have to suffer what Fallon had been through while hosting The Tonight Show. Hell, Conan had suffered enough during Late Night for 16 years. Conan went on and has made among the best comedy content in history with his show on TBS, podcast and soon on HBO MAX. I'm so happy and proud of him. Fallon is under immense pressure and NBC executives must give him the help he needs with his addiction. When I first read the article, I have the same understanding with this video, this opens up for more conversation on toxic vs healthy working environment. I really hope all the corporate will cooperate and help solve the strikes because these people deserve better.

But here's the thing, Chris Rock defended him, Tina Fey stays friends with him..and those moments where told to us that they weren't repeated and or that he was sorry. So his past stuff felt like mistakes and being around that kind of environment of that time. His alcohol though is I think the real concer/source of drama. Because when he refuses to do a full political show, his staff wasn't saying he was a tyrant. And when Ellen got called out, we all wanted to know of others like her and he was called a good boss. So I think this is pretty recent and needs to be addressed by his family and friends

This seems to play into the notion that "it's always the nice and quiet ones that you have to watch out for" like everyone who is nice is hiding a dark secret and they're actually always evil. But we don't say the same thing about people who are assholes, like they're actually really kind in private. I like how this video calls it fake niceness. I think it's also because these celebrities have a brand of being nice and they can't be mean otherwise it will hurt their career.

I'm willing to guess that some of these celebrities were quite unaware of the impact they were having on the people around them while others used their position to take their stress out on those around them.

Conan is the only one who appears genuine to me, his actions across the years speak louder than some celebrities dancing and fake laughing 24/7.

Wow... this really describes my former boss. The thing I can't get over was how hard it was to not be one of her many "yes men". My former supervisor: 1 Treated jobs as favors or privileges rather than an exchange of time & effort for compensation. 2 It was often her way or the highway. 3 She evaluated people on the basis of stereotypes along demographic lines including race and generation. 4 She often attempted to blame me for things she had not trained or supported me to do correctly. 5 She consistently failed to recall the staffs names, including misspelling them on HR paperwork or calling someone the wrong name. 6 She directed me to have my employees sign a contract to waive their right to overtime, or else threaten to let them go. 7 She threw a roll of tape at an employee's head. 8 She could make anything happen, but required everything from others. The people who'd worked the longest with her were those who'd accepted that their schedules could change last minute and their weekends could disappear. 9 She would argue against higher salaries, longer breaks, and increased compensation for specific duties. 10 She was aware of illegal an exploitative practices within the industry and threatened to fire us it we spoke about them. And here's why I failed to do enough to help the staff under me: 1 I was incredibly desperate for the job so I could immigrate. And since this was a residential position, my employment was also my source of housing. 2 I'd never worked at this level of leadership and in this specific niche of the industry, so I heavily relied upon her and other experienced members for advice and perspective. I was deeply concerned that my inexperience would lead to mistakes that would make life harder for others around me. In the end, my permissiveness meant that she got away with more BS. 3 At first, I cast this off as a trait from someone of an older generation and a different cultural background. We worked in an international field and just about everyone made generalizations based on nationality. Sometimes, this was actually a positive thing; by acknowledging cultural differences, we can be more welcoming and supportive. But by the time I'd realized she'd crossed a line, it was much harder for me to figure out where the line was, let alone what I could do about it. 4 There was so much I didn't know that I didn't know. I'd never used Indeed as an employer or interviewed candidates for jobs, and suddenly I was a hiring manager. So when she gave me the bare bones training on HR paperwork, I did my best to follow her directions. Turns out, she hadn't included to key pieces of HR paperwork in the documents I was supposed to have staff sign, and this resulted in hour pay structure being illegal. I didn't understand that until the staff - yes, the staff - pointed this out to me. I had to go to employment services at the provincial government to check this and verify what was legal and then relay it to my supervisor. She then blamed me for not telling her something was wrong. While there are so many things I wished I'd been able to identify as incorrect or insufficient, I simply didn't have the experience or wear-with-all to identify it. In the first two weeks of the job, I averaged about 3 hours of sleep/night. I didn't get a full day of for the entire 6-week run of the program. I did get to effectively end a week early. But it was just too much. 5 Looking back, me and the other staff sometimes treated this as a joke, but it was genuinely upsetting too. It just highlighted how little support we were able to get to do our jobs. And I felt powerless to ask for more because my supervisor was actually giving it her all to support us. It's just that her support was corrosive. 6 Actually, both her and her supervisor directed me to do this. I didn't. By that point, I knew the payment structure was illegally denying our staff overtime. As soon as I'd confirmed this, I told the staff, apologized, and started the very tricky process of ensuring their OT would get paid and that no one would get fired over this. It was a near thing. Looking back, I wish I'd communicated better so that the staff didn't end up having so much stress. Some were angry with me for not knowing the payment structure was illegal. One was angry with me for "blaming it" on my supervisor. In the end, I got her to walk back from the idea that everyone would sign away their OT or get let go to everyone got their OT, no one had to sign a waiver, no one got fired, and I did my best to protect their hours. Aside for one staff member who'd basically stopped doing their job to the point that their co-workers had suggested I fire him. Still, I feel so much regret. This season could've been amazing. Instead, so many good moments were overwhelmed by this stress and the feeling of being exploited. 7 Yeah. Several of us saw it. We treated it as a joke in front of my supervisor, but then it became a point of ire amongst my staff. The issue was two fold; first, I believe that the person who suffered the injustice should be the one to decide how the injustice is handled, 2 I was so overwhelmed that when that staff member didn't push the point, I didn't ask what she wanted to have happen. That was my failure. 8 It was humiliating that one of my teachers who wanted additional hours ended up doing things like student laundry. She said she was fine with my supervisor assigning her that task. I was not. Both my supervisor and I did student laundry. She did it to ensure things got done. I did it because no supervisor should direct someone to do something they would not do themselves. But laundry was so beyond her list of assigned duties, that it was galling. This was a direct mandate from my supervisor. With the little energy I had, I picked very few battles wit her. Sometimes I wonder that, had I picked more, I might have gotten better deals for my staff. 9 I had to go behind her back a lot to get what I considered fair compensation for staff. I assigned people the maximum salaries I was allowed, I negotiated for a three people to get pay raises (we got them for two of the three), and I tried to adjust the scheduling to people's needs. That said, I sucked at staff scheduling. It's never been a strong suit of mine. And having to schedule 23 people on weekly basis with constantly changing programing was awful. So many times, I got the week schedule sent out only the day before. I felt awful for not giving people more notice. These are folks' lives, they need it to plan anything. But I just couldn't get it done faster and everyone's plate was so full, that I couldn't see a way to avoid it. I was the shitty supervisor giving out last minute schedules and even last minute changes. I hated it. 10 We found out in the pre-season about a regulated immigration consultant was hiring undocumented workers under the table and refusing to pay them. When we told her, she informed us that she knew even more about it than we did and to "shut up" about it, heavily implying that we'd get fired if we didn't. Fast forward to the end of the season, and you might wonder if I've reported her and the exploitative immigration consultant. Here's the really awful thing: I haven't. One of my co-workers was a former employee of this immigration consultant who worked for him under the table. While I am going to try to report him without getting their name involved, I'm afraid that person will face legal consequences or even get deported for trying to survive during the pandemic. I want the immigration consultant and my former supervisor to face fair consequences for the injustice they've committed. But I don't want my former co-worker to get caught in the legal crossfire. *And that's at the core of a toxic work place; the inability (real or perceived) to improve detrimental aspects of a job due to the system or the poor choices of people in power.* I came in with the best intentions, but due to my inexperience, my permissiveness, and my history of accepting unfair work practices as "normal", I perpetuated my supervisor's BS to my staff. One of the put it perfectly, "You have not always done right by us. But you were not given the means to do right by us." It's a horrifying thing, realizing one's been part of the problem. I sincerely hope that my staff and move on to find better work. But I can't change the damage that's been done. I'm used to giving up sleep, peace of mind, and even money to a job. But never before have I felt like I was sacrificing my integrity. Yet, when the work I had to do in order to do right by my staff would not fit into my 90-110 hour work weeks.... I ended up doing just that.

It's more a case of workplace abuse is happening all the time/everywhere but only rarely do the media care enough to run a story on it. Every day people die on the job, are abused or injured - yet instead of being treated as a 'criminal act' it's brushed off as a accident/mistake and the toxic managers get to go on as if nothing is wrong. Workers are expected to put up with behavour that wouldn't fly in any other relationship - and to allow this we have a society that brainwashes and punishes people into fearing unemployment more then the harm of a unsafe workplace. These stories matter because it's a reminder that you can't rely on a 'nice boss' and should instead support one another to call out abuse, team up to take down bad managers - and the rest of us should be pushing hard for legal protections and systems to ensure people are not trapped into toxic workplaces.

If we keep this ideals of "succes", "get rich or die trying", "celebrities, stars, divas" etc etc, this toxic environments will never dissappear, stop seeking to "get to the top" because, that it's what come with "the top", in media, in politics or whatever. We need better ways to live our lives and stop watching screens. That's toxic AF.

Imagine dealing with this for minimum wage and no media coverage to back you up.

Should we just give up on entertainment? Like, I don't even put these celebs on pedestals or am into hero worship, but I do enjoy the entertainment they deliver. Can we not even have that? I'm now nervous for anyone who becomes famous who's music or acting or whatever I might enjoy, wondering who's gonna be the next traumatic abuser? Can anyone make it to the top without becoming an asshole?

So Mrs Maisel's last season wasn't far from the truth portraying how working on late night is.

The worst workplace I had was a retail compagny, saying "you're free to be yourself, we're against homophobia, transphobia, harassment etc. You can talk to us if something happened" then something happened and they're giving you cold shoulder saying you're the crazy one. So I've decided to take them to court

Celebrity, all that glitters is not gold and all celebrity actors, singer and all is fool’s gold .

"If you don't like it then leave." is simultaneously soul destroying and a kindness, because it gives you a justifiable out.

No shock to me, doesn't matter who the person is, power will corrupt. We only ever saw it in men because they held it for so long. No one is immune to it

I don’t necessarily agree with some folks in the comments saying that a celebrity being kind isn’t realistic because it is. There have been many celebrities that have done as much good as possible with their platform and are genuinely decent people. Keanu Reeves is a good example of that.

Everyone I've ever met irl makes their bad mood everyone else's problem. I totally believe these employees had a terrible experience working on these shows, but I can't recall one job I've had that was ever an actual place I'd describe as not stressful or "fun" to be at. It's unrealistic to expect anyone to be in happy mode 24/7. It's even more unrealistic to expect people to not let their bad mood effect their daily life.

8:25 - Did anyone else think the the "reporter" was the boss incognito??? 😄

Add to the list John Lasseter and the harassment against employees, and the toxic climates at Disney and Pixar.

I was an intern on Rachel Ray...it sucked and I was miserable. Note that i was one of 3 black people there....last year i interviewed at honestly every major TV network but God clearly was trying to keep me out of that mess of an industry. It's just too toxic and underpaid.

There's one thing that annoys me, and is that in Ellen's case most of the controversy was caused by the fact that she's a normal human. People created this image of her where she was "nicer" than the rest of us, and that was simply not true. People have good days, bad days, people they like and people they don't like. So does she. Then she got blamed for the abuse 3 of her producers were guilty of. But as people aren't nuanced, they see her as the evil monster. Again, we don't have all the details, and she could have been awful, but for what we know so far, she was just average (when it comes to being nice/mean). There's other late night hosts that were meaner than her (Corden) but they didn't get this level of hate.

I love how our generation is so outraged by this as if this hasn't been the entire history of mankind.

This is why I think ppl should stop putting celebs on pedestals they’re not perfect some are good some are awful they’re just like everyone else they all sound nice and sweet during interviews but we don’t know them.

A boss that has had no management or leadership training is discovered to be a bad boss? Shocking!!

Well, perhaps the US would do well improving worker's rights. Compared to the EU, worker's rights are nearly non-existent.

Jaguar Wright tried to tell us about him.

Work places in general are just bad. My current bosses are cool but many of my past ones were terrible.

Zach from Whitest Kids U Know has a crazy story about Fallon.

I love how your solution is "companies need better rules" and "bosses/stars need to be nicer" withour ever questioning the validity of the system in which of of this is allowed and even supported. The only way to end work place abuse is to ✨dismantle capitalism✨, which ia inherwntly exoloitative. To completely change the dynamics that leads to this kind of hiearchies is what it takes to stop top down abuse and exploitation. As an example I take one of your points: that "we can do anything to you and you cannot complain/if you dont like it in here then leave/you should be graeatfull you even have a job/ all because you are absolutely replacable" structure is a necessary and inherent feature of capitalism called "reserved armor of labour", that is used as a cohersion toll to control workers into behaving, to blackmail them into not saying anything bevause they dont have a choice because someone else os unnemployed and will take what you wont. It has existed in the entire history of capitalism and it will only end with thw wnding of the system and replacement with a better mode os work. Like ecossocialism. Plus capitalism is leading us all to extintion VERY soon, remember that. We need out way out. (btw english is my third language ok? any eventual little mistake in writting dont cut away from my very understandable ponts. if. foh with your grammarly sht)

Any time someone apologizes by saying "IF" they offended it's not an apology

Never forget that HR works for your bosses and not for you. HR is in place to protect your bosses from you and your co-workers, not to protect you from your co-workers from the bosses. HR is not your friend and they are NOT looking out for you. They are embedded agents.

We are talking about workplace environments with little to no security and a hustle culture to no end that keeps people in check with stress and anxiety. This is not so much about one person being good or bad, the celebrity with hundreds of employees and a bank account we couldn't even imagine being nice or not isn't even the question. That's why people need to unionise and not focus on the fake problem that is "is my boss nice enough to not exploit me too much or be rude?". The conversation about what celebrities are like off camera is one topic but it takes another dimension when we talk about them as employers. The millionaire boss is not your friend, them being polite is as much as could be expected but that doesn't determine the whole work environment and is not how a mega corporation is run, it really is no surprise that those workplaces end up like this.

I will be devastated if this kind of report comes out about "The Late Show with Stephen Colbert". It's a better show than this generation of "The Tonight Show", and Colbert is (seemingly) awesome.

Realizing that we will all play the villain in someone’s story puts into perspective that none of us are truly “all good” people. We’re all humans having a human experiences. So yes there will be downfalls as well as victories. Celebs are no different

Eh, difficult artists be difficult. You need to be a certain type of person to 1) Want to be in that position and 2) Do what it takes to get there. So it's not much of a surprise.

5:19 SARAH SCHNEIDER FROM COLLEGEHUMOR!???? Noone is a good person at this point 7:33 good movie

Yo i had no idea about the Horatio Sanz thing, WHAT??

A good reminder that the only true dream job is not needing one

same feeling for the fashion industry.

Nah... this is just how power works. When you employ 100+ staff, there's bound to be power imbalances and mistreated staff. HR's job was never to solve these problems but just to manage them while the company pump out new products. Like the English and Mongol empire, nobody can keep this up forever. The place will be downsized eventually due to infighting. Unionizing and downsizing (or breaking up monopolies) are by far the best ways to deal with workplace mistreatment.

Indeed

I have such conflicting thoughts because the whole way working culture (at least that I know of) works *IS* that any & everyone is replacable except the big boss(es); that's the entire reason why people have always been too scared to combat change. If you need to make a living, then having issues with how things are run can (unless it's *REALLY* problematic such as endless harassment or assault, non payment, etc) seems like a luxury. I often think how on the surface it shouldn't seem hard to be a "good/nice" person but surprisingly it is especially for celebrities it seems. It also makes me wonder how the "good" non toxic bosses decompressed so that if they were having bad days, they didn't spill over to the workers (like in the case with Fallon). Fallon has always seemed like he was people pleaser so I imagine that would be a very stressful which would lead to the (increased) use of substances or having a short, anxious temper.

life advice: know when to be nice and know when to be "honest", your days will go by a little smoother.

Just because these are celebrities it’s made a big issue. But let’s face it This CULTURE is the DNA of most of the MNC’s, SCHOOLS etc. It makes it to the headlines just because a celebrity is involved.

I actually met him and his wife when I was a waiter in NYC, and he was very nice and humble. He was very down to earth and friendly. It’s hard for me to believe that he is a terrible boss because he was just so nice and non fussy. Didn’t announce who he was and didn’t ask for special treatment.

"The worst part was the hypocrisy."

This is a PSA that you can be both kind and have issues. Not everyone is a "narcissist" (despite the word's overuse today) and not everyone who has character flaws is putting up a façade when they are kind. We have this binary, reductionistic thinking about people like they are either all good or all bad. People are complex and messy and imperfect. And guess what? You are also people.

This is really interesting because I know someone who works for the tonight show and they say it’s the best job they’ve ever had. I have been an audience member of the tonight show a couple times and there was a time where jimmy seemed to be in a bad mood, but like he’s human. People have bad days. You shouldn’t take that bad day out on your staff but sometimes you snap. We all make mistakes. I do think his apology could’ve been worded better but I don’t think a person should have their life and reputation upended because of a mistake. Cancel culture acts like everyone on the other end of the call out is above it all and that they’ve never made an offensive joke or have snapped at a friend when they were angry ever in their life. I don’t condone Jimmy’s alleged behavior, and toxic work places especially in jobs revolving around talk shows are extremely prominent, but I think it will be interesting to see what more comes out about the tonight show specifically. I am truly wondering why so many people felt this way and how involved Jimmy actually was in contributing to worker’s stresses.

I hope the people abuse by these people get justice

In the UK you have Jeremy Clarkson, a hugely and globally popular TV personality who continues to enjoy great success despite being fired from Top Gear. But he has proven himself to be a highly toxic person in real life, given to physical violence. Makes Ellen and Fallon look angelic.