JJ Redick says the Celtics have reached their ceiling with Jayson Tatum & Jaylen Brown | First Take 

The headline is not what JJ said. He’s speaking about the players around Brown and Tatum. He said “the group potentially reached its ceiling” and he’d look at adjustments to the supporting players.

Malcolm Brogdon has been a borderline All Star as a Point Guard and is a pretty traditional 18pt 7assist guy, I have felt all year he should be starting and running the offense more. Instead they used him like a 3 and D guy spacing the floor for Brown and Taum with the ball.

I don’t get how the Celtics had the size advantage the whole series yet continued to shoot 3’s at a bad percentage in games 6&7.

The Celtics were done immediately when they got rid of Udoka. S/O to Boston for shooting themselves in the foot. Galinari was missing also.

If a ceiling is “Finals” then that’s a pretty tall building.

I agree with SAS on this. Those two together along with the other pieces are more than capable of winning a Championship. They just keep falling short in crucial moments that will take them over the top. They don't just choke, they throw up in crucial times.

Imagine if the heat coach had the Celtics squad. They would at least win 2 chips. Coaching (defensive & offensive schema, knowing player strengths, etc) matters.

I think it’s crazy how one game can completely change people’s opinion. If they would’ve won and if they would’ve went to the finals they’d be a legendary duo

When JT got hurt it was supposed to be JB moment. He blew it.

Not saying Mazzulla is the guy but Brown and Tatum need a consistent environment and culture. They have been through the Kyrie experience and 3 coaches. The new CBA is going to be difficult to team build with 2 max guys though.

Tatum 25, Brown 26. In no way am I comparing these guys to Jordan and Pippen but they were 28 and 25 when they started winning championships, Lebron was 27, Steph was 27, KD was 28.. Boston just gotta keep building around them 2, go get them a true PG that can run the offense and get the ball out of their hands because they can’t get easy shots just dribbling the ball.

People forget how important Gallinari injury was..He was one player on the Celtics who was able to post up

Legs and JJ is a prime lineup on First Take we NEED MORE

People don't realize how talented the Celtics are. They had everything and every ingredient needed to win a title. Wing scoring, athleticism, grit from guys like Grant Williams, perimeter shooting, willing defenders like Smart and White, really good depth with Brogdon (before he got hurt), length and size from guys like Robert Williams. I really don't know what more they need. Mazzulla was gift-wrapped a Ferrari.

JJ and Tim Legler are the perfect compliment with their xs and os insight as former role players/starters to Stephen A’s passion takes as a media star and fan.

They can win a championship together. But the problem is Jaylen hates the management and it shows in his game. No other option but to trade him.

Celtics fans, including myself, overreacted after a very disappointing game last night, so I dont really blame people for the trade talks for JB. He played arguably his worst game of his postseason career, but I give him props for recognizing his failure to lead his team after Tatum went down. The one thing that this team hasn’t had with Jaylen and Jayson is something everyone should keep in mind; stability. 3 different head coaches in a span of three seasons, personnel changes especially going from kyrie to kemba and then trading kemba away. Teams that are in the upper echelon of contenders all have some stability with their core roster and head coach (i.e. Denver, Miami, Golden State, and Bucks until this year). It allows teams to build an identity and a culture, and I think thats what Boston has been lacking. Going from last year to this year, Boston didnt change the roster much, so I think Brad Stevens will hopefully decide to keep building what they have instead of blowing it up completely.

It's funny how after a bad game, people are questioning Jaylen Brown instead of highlighting Marcis Smart once again failing huge defensively and affecting the offense. Both last season and this one, he led each series in flops and ref complaints. It is insane how he fell asleep on so many uncontested shots. Why in the world is that not being highlighted. If anything, he gotta go. And why wasn't Grant Williams playing but complaining on the sidelines? Same thing he did last series with the GSW.

I think the problem is Marcus Smart. I think they need a better facilitator and scorer from the PG position.

JJ Redick summerized it perfectly, Jayson Tatum is a Perfect Batman. They need veteran presence and experienced coach.

As a heat fan I think their fine..it’s not just their already championship level roster, look around the league..a lot of aging stars and up and coming teams that are about 2 seasons away from coming together for real contendership..they would really only have Denver in the way and maybe the suns..I actually have them winning a chip somewhere in the next 3 years..with that said let’s go heat 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥

How do people not remember where the nuggets were at just a few years ago? Give these two more time. Regroup and run it back.

The title is misleading. JJ didn’t talk about them as a duo

They need a great coach to take them over the hump. Mozula is not that.

The “ downhill” guard was suppose to be Malcolm Brogdon lol but yeah this group has probably reached their ceiling and a change needs to be made.

Their styles don’t compliment each other at all, in fact they clash more often than anything unironically

Remeber when the raptors had tracy mcgrady and vince cater if you get a coach who can make that work dont blow it. Winning a title isnt easy. They have the peices they just need a bit more scoring and maybe a better coach

Did they forget that Tatum is the star who never gets scrutinized, why is Brown the scapegoat. It took 4 games for Tatum to score a point in the 4th quarter and they lost 3 of them, straight. He played a bad game and also the game plan was to jack up 3 pointers, no plays called to get him in the post or driving. Brown just needs to really work on his handles this off-season, that's his weak area.

Tatum and Brown are just another Durant and Westbrook story… if they only could make it work, in the long run they will be great TOGETHER. And this is from a Miami Heat fan.

They literally went and got Malcolm Brogdan but I said then He plays just like Marcus smart 😂😂 they really needed to give Tatum a backup

I like them having JJ on there as a regular. He's the only guest host that still gets into an argument with Stephen A even after they agree with each other.

if marcus spears is a pokemon its the evolution of kendrick perkins

The fact Boston had all those picks from brooklyn to the free agent signings and to not win a title is a failure.

Everyone is missing an important point….you’d get a star or a haul for Jaylen. It’s not necessarily a step back just a step in a different direction….I’d move him now.

It’s like day and night difference when listening to JJ and Steven 😂. Thank you JJ, you’re special!

I love how ESPN clickbait JJ's comments.

Raptors had to trade their most beloved player to get over the hump. Sometimes teams just need a shake up

They play the same position. They’re both SF, even though they list Brown as a 2. Neither can create shots for others, which is what you need from at least one of them.

Jaylen Brown needs to look in the mirror. Comes off as extremely SENSITIVE after the KD trade chatter. Part of the business & it looks like he never fully recovered mentally. U want to be the No. 1 option, yesterday was your chance after the early Tatum injury. Needs to become a better PLAYMAKER. Can’t create for others & his handle is far too loose for a guard. Has to get in the lab he Can’t go left

JJ Redick didn’t say those 2 hit their ceiling. As an entire squad they have per him

Celtics need is a playmaker and a big man.

Nah, Tatum and Brown WILL get it done. I'm confident in both of them

Jaylen Brown was way better last year but seems like he want to be a leader on his own team, they just gotta stay healthy and need a solid point guard floor general.

Elite talent is so hard to get in the NBA. You can't just let Brown walk and no matter what you get in return for him there is no guarantee it will work better than what they have. There is nothing to think about, Brown and Tatum will play together for at least 5 more years unless one decides they need a change in scenery.

I believe Tatum & Brown have reached their ceiling as far as talent. From a talent perspective I don't see Tatum & Brown getting any better, but in order for Boston to win a championship they'll have to adjust how they play the game. When I look at their team last year in the finals and compare them to the team that lost last night, they didn't show any growth.

I’ve never watched Tatum play and thought Wow, this guy is the truth. He’s just the best player on a well rounded team imo. He has the green light

Russ and KD were the earlier version of Tatum and Brown. They did all these guys did at a very young age but couldn’t get over the hump.

@ the title thats not what JJ said. he said the pieces around both JT and JB need to improve

Celtics Need A Point Guard Floor General Who Can Run The Ball And Needs To Bring In Vogel & Rondo On To The Coaching Staff

Giannis being out is blown out of proportion. Heat were destroying the Bucks in game 1 even before Giannis went down. And then Game 2 the Bucks won anyways. There was 1 game where him being out really changed the outcome of the game in my opinion

Give these two a true point guard and much decent center rather than breaking them apart.

JT & JB always struck me as a duo that could win one together if everything lined up right, but I don’t see multiple championships

But Brown has also never said that he loves Boston

As a Bucks fan, now I’m not feeling so bad.

JJ Redick holding the laugh by fixing his eyebrow when SAS said "Denver flew under the radar" 🤣

Legler knows ball. Just a great segment all around

Kobe was 21 when he won his first ring.. No one asked I just wanted to mention

THEY NEED A POINT GUARD A floor general. They needed to start Brogden

Really like seeing Marcus on basketball topics. Apparently he knows more than perk does

J.B work on his game in the offseason. Handles , mid range, 3pt shooting. Mazula should watch videos of high school kids breaking a zone.

He doesn’t want it badly. Too busy showing off his kid.

If Udoka was still there they likely would’ve won in 6

JJ with the str8🔥🔥🔥💨

They need a point guard to be a floor general im not sure if its malcom Brogdon or Marcus Smart

Lol people have been saying for years jayson Tatum ain’t that guy

Its crazy, cause Boston Celtics are the #1 most talented team in the NBA currently. Its unquestionable rn. They have Tatum, Brown, Smart. Then they got Robert Williams, and derrick white. Those 5 guys are the core of the team and when they play good, there literally winning. Look at how many defensive stops they made. Everyone else should be there to complement those 5 guys for plays in my opinion. They should be perfecting the roster to fit there play styles. Tatum, Brown, Smart, White, and Robert is too nice to demand greatness and kick people off like Lebron would.

Would love to see this C's in the Finals next year

As a heat fan regardless if we win the chip this been a crazy turn around of a szn. All szn we just wanted them to show effort and when they did we won the east

I’ll concede that this isn’t the strongest argument but until JT and JB can prove us wrong this argument will always exist, and so far they haven’t proven anything

I need tatum to develop a post game asap man when he is being guarded by these smaller players I rarely see him abuse those mismatches like lebron kawhi butler these big fowards

Look at jj reaction when sas said Denver been flying under the radar

So glad to hear Marcus spears opinion on basketball

Celtics need to just add a PG and center.

I LOVE JASON TATUM he is a class act. They may not have won this one however their accomplishment speaks for themselves they still can do it!!

It’s always about the Celtics and the reason for their loss. It’s never about the Miami and how good of a team they are.

They need a better point guard

They definitely reached their ceiling time trade jaylen brown for a elite pg 🤷🏾‍♂️🤷🏾‍♂️🤷🏾‍♂️

Just because they didnt make it to the finals dont mean something is wrong with the players. I think they need a coach who is strong enough to lead them. I think that team is missing their old coaches leadership. They made it further than most other teams. Nothings wrong with them and they dont have to win everything to be relevant.

Best First Take line up here for basketball debate. Maybe the best on TV. Please stick to it more! People want inteligence and knowledge not just conflict and controversy.

Despite the misleading title, this was a really good segement from from both stephen a, jj and legler

Tatum and Brown are going through what D-Wade and LeBron went through in Miami in 2011. D-Wade and LeBron were both 1A and they didn't flow offensively because of it and didn't maximize each other to their full capabilities. D-Wade went to LeBron the following year and told him that he would take a beat seat to LeBron and that LeBron is the best player on the team. The offense had to run through LeBron...I still think Jaylen Brown is better than Tatum... but one of them is going to have to take a backset to the other and accept it 💯if this going to work. Fact💯.

No way Brown is worth the max. He is raw sewage and plays remedial in big moments and on top of that Tatum is soft as butter. Its time to blow up this team. They keep talking about the 5 eastern conference championships however they are 1-4! Its over they've had 3 different coaches and they are guaranteed to fold in the clutch. Im tired of Jaylen Brown looking remedial after jacking up a terrible shot or turning the ball over and im tired of Tatum finding a way to play as light skinned as possible in big games. Both can go and im not sure both are much better than Brandon Ingram idc about the accolades my eyes say Brandon Ingram is on the same level and I definitely wouldn't pay autistic Jaylen Brown 60 million a year after folding to an 8th seed at home. He was mediocre with the box haircut and he's just as mediocre after the haircut. Both can go. I'd try to get CJ MCCOLLUM, Ingram or Zion for half of what Brown wants. Id easily take Cj and Ingram for Brown and a pick. This is the Washington Wizards 2.0 the last decade or a half pick the era. Either you pick the John Wall 🧱 Bradley Beal era or the Gilbert Arenas, Antwan Jamison/Larry Hughes era, this team is those teams at best with the addition of Marcus " Not So Smart". This team is walking turnover from top down. I think any star alongside Tatum maybe Lillard or maybe a combo somehow of maybe Brandon Ingram and McCollum or just maybe KD and Tatum is enough

Definitely not time to pull the plug on the duo. They need a coach!! A coach that can put a system together for both guys to be successful. Right now all they do is play iso ball and jack up 3’s.

This will be timelord’s first real offseason where it’s not just about rehab. I’m kind of excited to see what he does with a developmental offseason

I think Celtics need more developing for every player. This year Celtics was mostly about offense and got away from what worked mostly last year was defense they only started picking up defense in the playoffs . I think they need more time to work on things and make no major changes this is there coach first year and honestly he did pretty good considering what he was up against. Now whether Brown need a max contact i don't think he there yet. But might have to bite the bullet and give it to him. I hope he works on a few things if he going to get that money we need him to be that one two punch.

This is the issue with the new CBA agreement if I draft well and my players excel now I am penalized for paying them what they are due. I feel like this rule was made for free agency to make it more fair but will end up harming well managed teams that are able too get it done via the draft.

This team has such a high ceiling but also such a low low floor… massive ups and downs

Kawai Load-Management even defeated GSW. Just have to be lucky enough to have opponents 2 best players to be out.

Boston channeling the 18' Rockets gameplan in Game 7. Live and die by the 3

Gallinari was a huge piece. Needed a reliable shooter

As great as Jaylen Brown is, he is not a 1A, he is a 1B, with that being said there is nothing wrong in wanting to thrive for a bigger role if they feel they could deal with that.

coaching is literaly the only problem. 5 coachs were fired already and the one that needs to go the most is still gonna be on the team.. as a Heat fan this team is set to go against giannis and thats it for the next few years. JT and JB next year will be 26 27 going in to the playoffs they still arent in there prime but they have all the assets to win and already made it so far multiple times they could be a freaking dynasty if they keep a solid core together and bring in a good coach if they break up its the dumbest thing that could happen basicaly JB has all the power right now and could sign a deal that creats a legit dynasty

They’ve hit their ceiling and neither player is making the other one better. Boston may not want to separate them, but if I’m Tatum and I’m that young with that kind of talent, I want to be next to an actual floor general.

Celtics need more consistent shooters and more inside presence. If Robert Williams could start and give them 40min a night in the playoffs then they'd be a beast of a team to beat. But they are too inconsistent.

they need a 3rd piece , like a lonzo ball , ingram , mcollum someone of that caliber

It will only work if the share responsibility equally.

Denver is a tough matchup for obvious reasons but Miami have grit they grind Denver haven't played a defense like Miami...also Denver have never been on this stage that pressure hit different in the Finals ....

One of the problems is many of these teams need a pure point guard. A point guard who can control the the pace of the game and get EVERYBODY involved.

We cannot forget that last year the Celtics were in the NBA finals. This team is far from done. I always believed coaching was the problem. They should of not fired Udoka

The tension when they brought up the nuggets going under the radar 📡 10:25