JK Rowling's Nazi crime denial and why it matters 

That's all in all correct. As far as I understand, the terms get often mixed up in an international context, but in Germany, the distinction is very strict. That is also why Vollbrecht's statetemnt was not liable per se, because for common Nazi-crime denial to be punishable, it has to "disturb the peace" and "incite hatred" (which is the general term for the crime itself: "Volksverhetzung") and that is not the case in an academic dispute. So both statements, the one by Vollbrecht and the one calling her "Nazi-crime denier", were per ruling of the court covered by free speech.

I think it's understandable why you chose to label it "Nazi Crimes Denial." It also shows that you are committed to accuracy, which is very commendable.

I think book burnings and the murder of queer people for being queer is an incredibly important aspect of the project of the holocaust, but it is also nazi crimes. The holocaust wasn’t just about Jews, it was anybody who was seen as degenerate, Jews were just one of the groups considered degenerate by the nazi project. It’s holocaust denial for sure, as a Jew myself I would heavily stand by that, but the holocaust consisted of many nazi crimes, so at a certain point it’s just semantics

If it helps, I have seen other videos use the phrase "Holocaust minimalization," which broadens what Rowling did a little bit, but also ties in the implications or effects of her actions. Namely that she is not denying that the Holocaust happened, but is attempting to downplay the severity of certain events or the treatment of certain people - namely, saying that trans persons were persected for other reasons, or that being transgender was a low priority for the army of imperial fascistic eugenecists.

I understand why you made the distinction, but everything I have ever learned as a Jewish Trans woman is that the Holocaust includes all groups that were targeted for extermination, not just the Jews. Additionally, separating out the other groups is the same as the people who try to separate Trans people from the LGBTQIA+ community because we are more of a target than they are. "First they came for the..." Personally, I have been calling her a Holocaust denier ever since this happened. Also, from a legal standpoint, I believe that it falls under Holocaust denial or minimalization in Germany at least, and maybe in some other countries.

I'm aghast to say that it isn't my reaction. My reaction is rather darker - "best check the obits to see if I need to buy some party supplies".

Hit pop song? Wait, she thinks rock and roll doomed society or something.

@@KidarWolfI'm not quite ready to bring balloons, but I'll like the insta post of you and the guests. Or I would if I ever used my insta account lol.

She is always defending women and girls

@@KimWest-nq4jo She is preying on their fears. She has made her feelings known about black women in the final Fantastic Beasts movie and her latest novel.

Thank you. I live in the UK and our government has just been called out by the UN for committing human rights violations against our disabled population, including persisting with policies that it knows are killing them in their hundreds*, including via starvation, which is one of the weapons the N**is used. The UN's investigation and findings have had next to no media coverage. That kind of thing is why it's so important not to exclude targeted groups from the definition. It's not something that happened once and can be safely put away and talked about in vague terms. It's an ongoing danger. *Or more; they won't release the figures, which is sinister in itself.

Germany didn't even recognize the genocide against the Romani until 1982.

Sending love 🫂

for the algorithm and a genuine compliment:i like your icon/avatar/profile pic. good art

Hey--another trans jew here. You have my solidarity. It's been really ugly and hard, but living is a jewish value. You have to live. If you're trans and jewish, you have to live. I love you

Another trans Jew here. Yeah not fun

I'm so sorry y'all are having to go through this

So Rowling is not only a Holocaust denier...she’s also a hypocrite.

Woah, woah, woah, tell me you failed history class without telling me you failed history class - how are they teaching this abroad, the Nazis burnt every book, that wasn't their liking be it left, christian, jewish etc. - first they burnt the books, than the people, yet I don't see how that applies to you. Are there any concentration camps out there were you are being deported to, forced to stripped naked before given some racks and put to work? No? Then stop comparing yourself. It's just tasteless, and just shows how out of touch you are. You're not living in a militant dictatorship we're any wrong word can deliver you and your family into concentration camp. Yet this happens when atrocities like the Holocaust become pop culture 🤮 it will be used, abused and politicised by just anyone. If you want a better comparison, look a the plight of poc authors and their struggle, but stay away from this.

I thought people forgot about the JK's books ban. She was so brave back then, (edit) I sent the incomplete comment by mistake and couldn't find it anymore. Just to say that I was being sarcastic about JK bravely fighting for freedom only when it suited her interests.

"Of course they shouldn't ban MY books. Those ones, however..."

So, not only is she a war crime denier, she’s a hypocrite as well. She’s doing the same thing that the people who banned her books did.

That's kinda wholesome ❤

The original inventor of hiding jooish pdf-filia behind the veil of psychology.

Ah, women doing women’s work. They’d better have been barefoot in that kitchen. Trans Inclusionary Radical Misogyny!!! (If the trans men were also doing those specific jobs, then boo! Trans men are men and shouldn’t have to toil away doing women’s work.) /j for the whole reply… just in case it wasn’t clear.

This! Right! Here!

Classic Who has some magnificent quotes. And this is one of the all-time greats.

"They alter the facts to fit their views" That's the Trans community in a nutshell, right there.

That's a damned fine quotation, my friend. A damned fine quotation.

What is it from?

J. K. Rowling is firm proof that even when you've reached rock bottom, you can still find ways to go even lower

⁠@@christianwise637 Just when you think she’s reached rock bottom she goes “accio shovel” and digs further down.

i don’t want to seem rude but the word g*psy is actually a racial slur against romani people

Some of us actually learned the lesson and therefore don't ally ourselves to fascists because they chucked transpeople in concentration camps. She who must not be shamed is a liberal at best and therefore naturally fash adjacent to start with.

Transphobia rots the brain, and is a pipeline to not-see-ism.

Btw the g word is a slur

The Holocaust Memorial Museum in DC explicitly states that LGBT+ people were targeted by the Holocaust. Also, just an fyi, the term you’re looking for is Roma or Romani.

The Marie Luise vollbrecht case was only about her not being able to claim libel when people call her holocaust or Nazi crime denier, not for her doing the denial. As no one brought her denying it to the police, or it has been settled out of court she might have just payed the fine without contesting it, so it might not have ended up being a court case of public record.

@@XxYwise uh.. stop trying to rewrite history, I have no patience for that. they ruled that trans people were targeted. Because they were. Go visit a former concentration camp turned museum and memorial site of your choice for further info. I can recommend buchenwald. It’s on the smaller side and doesn’t take as long to walk through with a guide as others.

And that's why Germany has massive problems. They've gone too far in censoring where even something that insignificant would be illegal. I'm hoping it will change seeing the recent political situation in Germany.

@@lucaswallo8127 protecting minorities is not a bad thing. And the situation is like it is despite the protections in place. It is like it is because of lacking education on the topics. Most people I know say “if it really was a problem politicians and the media would say it. And take care to educate us.” So it is becasue no one is talking about the bad things that happened in the past in the depth and with the compassion it deserves. We learn about it detached and get taught to say “never again” without understanding what it means. If we truly want to learn we have to teach ourselves. That’s the problem. Not the protections for minorities and oppressed people that are in place.

When your stance is legitimately "Germany has gone woke. Say what you will about the tenets of Sational Nocialism, but at least it's an ethos."

Fortunately for her, she’s not in Germany. She lives in the United Kingdom where Holocaust denial is legal.

If her tweet was sent directly to people in Germany, can she be charged even though she sent it from elsewhere?

@@CritterKeeper01 I'm not a laywer, but I fear unless she directly sent it to a German person/forum, making it undeniable intent by for example removing the language barrier (having it translated English to German) or posted it from a German location, it would be quite difficult up to impossible to apply. I don't know if the UK has any laws on Nazi crime denial.

@@CritterKeeper01 As far as I understand for law works, as long as she doesn't reside in Germany she isn't subject to German law, unless she does something that affects the whole country.

@@kaworunagisa4009 It actually would be enough if she was only temporarily in Germany, like on a book tour, but she'd have to commit the crime while under German jurisdiction. On the other hand, we could possibly ban her from entering the country on grounds of her possibly disturbing the peace here. I like that idea.

reminds me of a gay man who was in one of my classes who denied this fact as well, when we pointed out his racism and antisemitism, that he would have been targeted by the Nazis as well.

I mean I would say plenty of people are not taught that. This is the first time I’ve ever heard of it.

@@shadamyandsonamylover I am speaking about selective disbelief because of religious indoctrination, not ignorance, but I implore you to spend some time reading the Holocaust Museum's website. They've done the work so we can correct the poverty of our education easily. We owe it to each other as human beings to do at least that much.

@@SirMaddaMMetzo I wish I'd been able to get through to her as well, but I ended up blocking her. I hope her zero accountability phase passes, but it will have to be without me.

Should have pointed them to Cabaret and asked where the Pink Triangle that is now a symbol for Gay came from.

She sounds like a lovely lady.

Props to her for endorsing a coming out party! I imagine her writing that cheque and thinking "The important thing is that the kid found their self. Cue party!"

Your great aunt sounds like an amazing person - what a beautiful heart she had!

@@KidarWolf Thank you, she was. :)

@@thelettermegan Yes, that was her style. ❤ XD Every time I tell this story, people would say it's a good idea and should really be a thing.

She literally shared a tweet of a person claiming that they were the "first" targets, which is obviously not true. Jews, Disabled people were the main targets. Gay people and other ethnic minorities (like the gypsies) were next. And only last were "crossdressers" , with even less so who actually idenfied as trans.

This specific tactic is called "moving the goal post" :)

​@@HotDogTimeMachine385 with a side of motte + bailey

That’s why Alejandra/@esqueer (who ratioed JKR debunking her lies) responded with a gif of soccer players literally moving the goal.

@@auberginebear oh I didn't see that at the time I looked it up! (May have been there though I can't be sure I saw it early or anything, but I thought I scrolled all the way down)

Thanks for the info. I'm wondering about something that other people have been talking about in the comments. Were you thought that the prosecution of lgbt and slavs counts under holocaust, or is holocaust only for jews? Since you're german I'm kinda curious how you were taught and how you feel about that. 🏳‍⚧💚

Even more reason why calling it anything other than Holocaust denial muddies the issue

@@HotDogTimeMachine385 It is interesting hearing all these current nuances for what is holocaust and what isn't. I'm Australian and when I studied WWII at school I was taught that everything related to who was sent to the concentration camps and the gas chambers was a part of the holocaust, they didn't go into detail but I did learn that LGBT+, people with disabilities and political dissenters were sent there along with the Jewish people (This was in the late 80's, don't know what they teach currently).

@@HotDogTimeMachine385 I am working as political educator in the German context, so I see a big complexity in the question. The 'orthodox' interpretation sees the term Holocaust only applied to persecution of Jews and maybe Sini and Roma, because these were the two groups targeted for extermination on the largest scale. However, even the acknowledgement that Sinti and Roma were systematically persecuted had to fought for against this orthodox interpretetion. So I'd say, there is more to a full understanding of the Holocaust, than just the Antisemitism. BUT - and here it gets complicated - the Nazi Antisemitism was central in the Holocaust and the character of persecution. Jewish people were the biggest group targeted and the clearest scapegoat. At the core of the ideological construction of the Nazis stood the demonized Othering of Jews as everything 'Ungerman'. So the persecution of the Jews, with a clear exterminationist goal was the pillar of National Socialism. And we have to acknowledge that the term Holocaust historically was used to describe crimes and attacks on ethnic minorities specifically. For example the attacks on the Armenians by Ottoman and Turkish majorities at the end of the 19th century were called holocausts by British authors. Therefore the term Holocaust in regards to Nazi led persecutions was firstly explicitly used to describe the organized realization of their exterminationist Antisemitism. From my critical perspective as an educator and researcher who tries to formulate a complex understanding of things that might also help in liberatory political engagement with these issues, I think it is important to go beyond that (whilst staying respectful especially to Jewish, Sinti and Roma survivors and their descendants). First, we have the Hebrew term Shoah, as a descriptor of the events regarding to the antisemitic extermination. So I'd say at least we can differentiate between Holocaust as a whole and the Shoah in regards to the persecution of Jews at its core and center. There is also the Romanes term Porajmos that Sinti and Roma people use to describe the genocide of their groups under the Nazis (however, this term is also debated within the respective groups). Further, I think the attack on Hirschfeld and his Institut can help us understand this even better in its nuances, beyond single issue definitions. Hirschfelds work was seen as problematic because he was Jewish and also because of his challenging of the heterosexual, cisgender Aryan norm of the Volkskörper. He was a gay man, a socialist, and a scientist interested in science's emancipatory potential for the improvement of society. All these reasons come together to make him the target of the Nazis. This makes him the perfect person for the Nazis to project their propaganda on: "The Jews are trying to undermine society with sexual perversion, intellectualism, deviance and socialism..." When Hirschfeld in his time was targeted, it is for similar reasons why TERFs today target Martine Rothblatt as a prominent Jewish trans woman, in order to "proof" their conspiracy theories. Further more Hirschfeld was actively lobbying and working on emancipatory politics such as ending LGBTQIA+ discrimination, anti racism (although in his time and context we still have to be critical with his eugenicist leanings), feminism and socialism. The attack on the Institut as center if Hirschfelds work and as hub of German LGBTQIA+ self organization in that time was explicitly motivated by Antisemitism. But the thinking of the Nazis was (and this is also mirrored often today if you look close enough) that Queerness, socialism, feminism, disability and so on are the result of the imagined degenerative effect of Jewish influence on society. So to bring all this together. Yes, LGBTQIA+ people were targeted specifically in the Holocaust and one of the most prominent events, that was staged to setup the ideological base in German society to enact the following extermination campaign was the book burnings on May 10, 1933, where everything deemed Ungerman was destroyed - namely in big numer over 12.000 books, research protocols, archive material, film rolls, paintings etc. from the Institut für Sexualwissenschaft that was raided by the SA and the Nazi students union 4 days prior. This was not because Hirschfeld was Jewish and the Institut catered towards queer people, but because the catering towards queer people was linked to Hirschfelds Jewishness by Nazi ideologues. The following, ever increasing violence, criminalization and persecution of LGBTQIA+ people, especially gay/bi men and trans fem folks who were prosecuted as Homosexuals but also lesbians/bi women and trans masc folks as Asocial was part of the bigger project of cleansing the 'Ungerman'. I am critical of perspectives that pin the Nazi persecution on only specific groups to the detriment of others. But I am equally critical of relativizing the role of the persecution of specific groups, such as Jewish people in the Holocaust (bc often enough, this goes hand in hand with conscious or unconscious antisemitic bias). The big problem in that is in my opinion that we are conditioned to see things in terms of concrete identities and therefore parallel single issues. I find this view of limited use as it prevents us from connecting the dots and seeing the bigger picture in history and the bigger picture in events that are happening today on this historical continuity. The persecution of queers was a function of the Antisemitism and therefore part of the Holocaust. Equally the criminalization of queers was a tool of stigmatizing the perceived Other that fed the Antisemitism central in Nazi ideology. Today we see imperialist, racist and nationalist acteurs using anti LGBTQIA+ panic in much the same way. If you dig deep enough you'll find the Antisemitism in most of the anti-trans pundits as well as the connections towards other exterminationist ideas such as Ableism, Racism, Fatphobia... that are parts of a amalgam with the goal of creating a 'pure' (national) society. Hope that brings it to a point and apologies for the long windedness of the answer 😄 Since this is at the core of my work, I tried to present the nuance without writing an essay in the comments.

You perhaps don’t need to use the term war crimes here, which often involves exculpatory justifications; these typically take the form of ‘I had to kill him, because otherwise he would have killed me’ that might have some possible justification in a ‘theatre of war’ which they would not be capable of in a time of peace. Many Nazi crimes fall more broadly under the banner of crimes against humanity, especially since some of the crimes of preparing for the genocidal atrocities they eventually committed later, occurred long before the declaration of war. Edited to add - I think your long reply appeared while I was writing this much shorter one. I just wanted to say I generally agree with your points but my little point was that responding to terminology such as war crimes should invoke talking more generally about crimes against humanity, which can happen in times of war or peace.

People weirdly seem to think that Holocaust denial is just flat out conspiracy that nothing every happened to anyone ever. It mostly shows up in denial to the extent of it, who was targeted, or why they were targeted. I don't know why I thought Rowling would be smart enough not to trip on this bar

Even if that were not the case, denying the crimes that led to the Holocaust is definitely a slippery slope.

As a Jewish trans woman my experience has always been that the Holocaust includes all groups that were systematically targeted and killed. That's just my personal experience and opinion though.

It also has legal implications in certain countries. Germany for example, includes trivialisation or partial denials. So "The Nazis didn't burn LGBTQ+ material" would be an illegal statement, even if you still came to the conclusion that the Holocaust was one of the worst events in recent history.

@@rubeniscool So if her tweet was sent o people in Germany, could she be charged in Germany?

That’s fair, and I probably drew that line stronger than I should have. It would have been more accurate for me to say “I’m not going to call it holocaust denial because I don’t feel equipped to make that argument and she’s already threatened to sue people using that specific phrase.”

This needs to be way higher up because is going so hard drawing that line in the wrong place, the video actually opens on disinformation that Nazi sympathizers will and do hide behind.

@@CouncilofGeeks she certainly did nazi crimes denial though. That’s not up for debate. That’s a fact. And with that in mind, it angers me even more when right wingers call queer ppl and queer allies “nazis” and do the queer Hitler meme every pride month. Because the Nazis really went after queer ppl.

@@CouncilofGeeksI’m equipped and she can sue me all she wants

@@CouncilofGeeks Even using holocaust in this wider definition, holocaust denial also would be the wrong term here. Holocaust revisionism would be more correct. I hate that I feel the need to point this out, but we all know that right-wingers would deny everything that's wrong with what JK R posted on the basis that she never denied the holocaust as a whole (yet).

Ah yes 'how can I make them all forget my transphobia hmmmm....Holocaust denial it is!'

Ok even if i grant her she didnt deny the holocaust, yeah that was acultural genocide at least with the book burnings of research on trans , and general queer sexual research.

Well, she can stop now. I'm convinced already.

Trying? Nah, she just is!

Vice signaling.

But I should have led with, thank you for covering this. It’s obviously incredibly important and I think your analysis about the media and the impact of her statements is spot-on.

the issue is, that the term is in several European countries a legal term, due to laws prohibiting the public denial of the events. Since the societies right after WW2, that passed these laws all considered being gay, cross dressing etc. a crime they HAD to morally and legally seperate the term Holocaust from the fate of the LGBTQ+ and polutical dissidents under the Nazi regime. I think it is a transphobic and homophobic position to still hold on to this seperation. But people that think there is something very wrong with the queer community obviously cannot do this. They need to hold on to the view of the innocent jews vs. the gays that in a way brought it on themselves by breaking the law of the time. Their cognitive dissonance would otherwise probably kill them... or they could even change their mind, and that is not allowed!

I think the clarification is more about giving jkr worse odds of suing in a defamation court case tbh

It actually is clean cut - what JK Rowling did was Holocaust denial. Courts have already ruled that to be the case from previous people making this transphobic argument. Also there is a word for what Nazis explicitly did to the Jews - the Shoah.

Holocaust is for all the victims, Shoah is for specifically for Jews

Considering shes incredibly wealthy and white shes actually shielded from most of the consequences of that communities bigotry

@@nathangriswold6999 yeah, until the Nazis go 'hey wait, STFU femoid!'

@@nathangriswold6999maybe if one of her children or grandchildren turns out to be trans? But even then, she might just kick them out of her life and pretend they never existed.

@@koivunen2489 which social platform would she buy and run into the ground then?

@@SirMaddaMMetzo would she musk things up like that? That sounds like a lot of effort

Like somebody named Martina? What a phoney baloney all those anti-Republican tweets when her groups works directly with Republicans. In a tweet she joked she's not the contact person. I should of made a screenshot since it's probably deleted.

I thought it was "holding her phone the wrong way" that made her opinions worse.

same vibes as that one scene from The Office: Pam: "STOP DATING MY MOTHER!" Michael: "You know what? I'm going to start dating her even harder!"

But also be vigilant not to allow those in the LGBT community to deligitimise and even denounce support for Palestine and Palestinian liberation for supposedly 'anti-gay' views of Palestinians. Methinks it's just a continuing of the racism in the LGBT community (most specifically gay cis white men). Realise that those who do that are thus in fact in support of extermination of gay people, as killing all Palestinians means also killing all the gay ones.

True. JK is very good at feigning ignorance. But conservatives around the world have had millennia of practice, so at this point I'd be more surprised if they said anything that wasn't manipulative and deliberately harmful and with an exclusionary/genocidal agenda in mind. I mean, you could ask them about the weather and within 5 sentences they've turned the weather into climate denial and antitrans rhetoric.

I am sorry to say this but not only is the word „holocaust“ in that regard to the crimes against the Jews but it actually specifically describes the organized killings of people with Jewish backgrounds. That is THE Holocaust. There were many more crimes and atrocities committed against the Jewish people but the word means the attempt at genocide of the Jews by the Nazis.

It's also specifically not a war crime as it wasn't conducted during war, a crime against humanity (and actually a worse term) is more accurate for pre-39

nope, the holocaust (the article is important because a lot of people call a lot of thing "a" holocaust) and shoah are synonyms

@@BeingThePaul Synonyms can be slightly different in scope. Probably and highly likely are synonyms, but one has emphasis on a higher probability than the other. The Holocaust refers to the entire series of programs, but Shoah is specific to the Jewish perspective of it.

It's technically not holocaust denial it's holocaust revisionism.

Extremists tend to get more extreme as time goes by. So expect her to get worse.

Seems to be so. I can only hope that she changes her views in the future, but it seems unlikely now.

She never did anything wrong. If so, what?

@@Wheels36H3WM "Defending reality"? By denying a doctor and Jew, Magnus Hirschfield, specialist in trans medicine ever existed? (He wasn't a paragon of virtue btw). Did it bother you in the 70's when Renee Richards played pro tennis? Why does it suddenly bother you now that Lia Thomas swims? Why do you think there's a difference there?

here's hoping we find out soon

because you said your a cis male i will do a trans hate

Queer trans man here; just wanted to say you are very appreciated, and I'm always glad to stand with cis allies through all of this 💚🤘🏻

@Its_another_bird Life's too short, and it takes far too much effort to get angry. I much prefer to be lazy, and use my energy to like people 🏳️‍⚧️

Thanks for the support! ^^ If you're ever curious about any trans things you're always free to respectfully ask, people generally appreciate curiosity. As for the hate comments I jsut went through the comments section and there's around 4 comments that are bad. They're probably getting deleted, but it's an overall very supportive comment section! So thanks and take care!! 😊

It's called moving the goal post. She was caught in a lie so she decided to change her argument instead of just admitting her wrong. She's too stubborn to see reality.

Ironically, HP introduced me as a kid to unions. Cut to me rereading the series, realizing HP treated the House Elf Union as a joke....

Well,if you deny nazi basically cultural genocide, and arent open to responses to correct you, and you say nothing being called out, does it matter?

I think Rowling just made her books more politically palatable, sadly. I think Rowling has been planning this since the first Strike novel. The latest Strike novel is rife with shocking racism.

@@ConnorKent428, I’ll have to take your word for it regarding the Strike books, as I’ve never read them beyond the first. Even than, I don’t think I even FINISHED it back in the day. It wasn’t that interesting.

​​​​​@@jeremyadler9620The latest novel is laced with barely concealed racism, homophobia (including that all gay men should have died in the eighties from AIDS, real Will of God stuff), classism and transphobia (the last pretty much written in crayon and in all capitals). Rock and roll also ruined society for some reason. Rowling also really hates David Bowie.

@@ConnorKent428, …. WTAF?!? Times like this, I wonder if the HP series was ghostwritten or something! I just CANNOT reconcile the difference in … well, everything! Don’t know what else to say!

​@@jeremyadler9620I’m beginning to wonder if it was salvaged by Rowling’s editor and Bloomsbury didn’t want to kill the golden goose. I’m sure the editor got their sum. I'm suspecting Rowling was following the Scholastic/nineties marketable diversity train. The Asian racism is disgusting, even beyond the pale with her ex-husband and her take on two interracial (half-Chinese, half-white) characters is appalling as ‘abominations, real Yellow Peril stuff. It’s like she saw the poster of Shang-Chi with Simu Lui and went ‘that’s a rapist’. But, she also goes after black women too (just in case the all that glitters is not gold stuff in the third Fantastic Beasts movie didn’t register). There’s also a weird incest subplot with Strike’s half-Chinese sister that Robin is jealous of their increasing ‘closeness’, who just happens to look A LOT like Robin who lends her expensive clothes to infiltrate a cult as part of the plot and the clothes happen to suit her better and his sister is disconnected from the rest of her siblings and Father’s family because she doesn’t ‘fit in’ securing Robin and Strike’s connection to each other. And she’s a psychologist, but it’s questioned whether she ‘knows’ things beyond what is useful to the plot. I am not making any of this up. There is also climate change denial.

here is another food for thought. there are non-transphobic people who support "your" cause but get tired when "your" side also frames and hides important information. people actually said a lot of peeps. Renee Richards had to go to court to get allowance to play. She later became a coach of world reknown openly lesbian tennis player Martina Navratilova in a time where homosexual acceptance was way lower than nowadays. And both Ms. Richards and Mrs. Navratilova are nowadays of the opinion that trans-women can have an unfair (from a fairness in sports pov) advantage over other women. So why are people trying to have this discussion. I'll give you a hint: It's not necessarily transphobia

​@@truthmatters135 "People actually said a lot of peeps"? No, it wasn't nearly as big of issue then because conservative media like Fox News and LoTT didn't exist. They spoonfeed these tiny pet issues to people, not because they're important, but because they rely on confirmation bias: what makes people feel good. Issues like gun safety for schools, feeding kids, health care, and education reform which are lightyears more important than any kind of "competitive advantage" by one person one time. There's simply not an army of trans women trying to overtake women's sports. Lia Thomas, Dylan Mulvaney... many others are blamed for all of society's ills, when they have little to do with much of anything. They're just trying to live their lives. So yes, the problem is right-leaning media having a myopic focus on the wrong kinds of issues. The conservative, straight, cis white men who have controlled the country for the last 250 years (I include moderate democrats like Bill Clinton and Joe Biden in that) were convinced *they* were the victims in all this. They are not.

@@truthmatters135 RU-vid deleted my comment. Again. The point is, it's manufactured outrage. People weren't nearly as pressed about Renee Richards as Lia Thomas because there weren't outlets like Fox News and The Daily Wire telling people "you should be mad about this." There are many issues: gun safety in schools, education, health care, etc that are MUCH more important than any kind of 'competitive' advantage a trans woman might have. You'd probably say this is "whataboutism" but there isn't an army of trans women trying to compete in women's sports.

@@dante6985 I totally agree with you, that it's manifactured outrage and that there are more important things (but that indeed wasn't the discussion here). My point is, that I think it's manifactured from both sides. 2SLGBTQIA+... activists are imho "stirring the pot" too: Misgendering is a "hate" crime, people that still see the need for discussion on womens sports, women only spaces or child transition are homophobes, "cis"-people are oppressors of trans, e.g. . The way I see it is they are alienating a tolerant majority in the western "civilized" world.Of course I can't speak for most of it and I would agree that in the US (probably because the "culture war" started there) the divide is the largest and sadly tolerance is definetly on the decline. And while a agree with you that outlets like Fox New and Daily Wire didn't exist, there also was no way for "normal" people to express their outrage the way they are able to do now using social media, so I think you're somewhat comparing apples to oranges. But I admit I find it hard to judge peoples outrage in the 70s as I have no lived experience of that time and maybe you have.

​@@truthmatters135 Except - trans women (after transition) don't have an unfair advantage Any advantage they would have gotten from puberty gets stripped away after the required time on HRT You act like trans people don't need to get allowance to participate, they do They have to go through more scrutiny now than they did back then (although, part of it is good, imo, as we should be checking to make sure hormone levels are right not to have that unfair advantage) Sources: "The 15-31% athletic advantage that transwomen displayed over their female counterparts prior to starting gender affirming hormones declined with feminising therapy. However, transwomen still had a 9% faster mean run speed after the 1 year period of testosterone suppression that is recommended by World Athletics for inclusion in women’s events." Source: Effect of gender affirming hormones on athletic performance in transwomen and transmen: implications for sporting organisations and legislators “There is not one discrete biomarker that allows easy comparison of athletes’ bodies to each other in terms of performance" Source: Transgender Women Athletes and Elite Sport: A Scientific Review "It was a 12% advantage after two years in run times. But to be in the top 10% of female runners, you have to be 29% faster than the average woman. And to be an elite runner, you've got to be 59% faster than the average cis woman," - Dr. Timothy Roberts (author of the study) "Currently, there is no direct or consistent research suggesting transgender female individuals (or male individuals) have an athletic advantage at any stage of their transition (e.g. cross-sex hormones, gender-confirming surgery) and, therefore, competitive sport policies that place restrictions on transgender people need to be considered and potentially revised" Source: Sport and Transgender People: A Systematic Review of the Literature Relating to Sport Participation and Competitive Sport Policies

Exactly

WTF that is crazy, I'm Australian and learned both numbers, not that one group mattered more than another. It was more that we usually hear about the Jewish people who were in the camps, all these other groups of people were there too.

What i think may have led to this idea, is that trans and gay people continued to be persecuted by the allies after the war. Many who survived the camps, found themselves thrown into prisons after the allies cleared the camps. So, not only is it a form of denial and revisionism, but also a way to avoid addressing the inhumanity we continued to heap upon lgbtq folks.

I suspect that's at least partly because over here in the USA, we never directly felt the impact of it the way Europe did? It's something left in the past and history books, and there are only a handful of people still alive who even saw it happen on the news as kids. All the battles were overseas, which means all we see unless we travel to Europe is museum exhibits (if we're blessed with adults in our life who care enough to take us)... and what we're taught in school. Which at the pre-college level isn't anywhere near as much as *should* be taught, IMO. A few chapters in a book and maybe a couple video documentaries at most, whenever we get to that time period in history class. And what we ARE taught is mostly focused on the politics, geography, and military aspects. Because that's what they think is important and relevant enough to remember. Empathy of other people groups' experiences is rarely a priority for our history book authors... or probably more accurately the committees who decide school curriculum, I suspect many history authors would emphasize different things if they were allowed. Almost everything we're taught in history is designed with an America-centric perspective (or at their most "humble" listed as equals with whatever the allies there were), regardless of whether we are/were truly that important there.

What sort of women?

Oof, the day I realized not just my gender/sexuality, but also my autism was something specifically targeted by the Nazis was a rough one. Sorry you have to deal with this (and everyone affected)

Yeah, and as someone pointed out, the attack on the trans research facility and the burning of that research and a lot of other severe hatecrimes were done way before and leading up to the war. It didn't start with war but with harmful propaganda that we also see today from places like The Daily WIre, PragerU, Trump, Republicans, Rowling, Dawkins, leaders and other politicians from countries like Poland, Hungary, countries in South America, Asia, Africa. It started with priming the population into targeting minorities as the scapegoat for frustrations, just to get votes and gain control over the government and the population. And evidently that still works. People don't blame the government for leaving housing up to the free market, but immigrants. People don't think about what would actually increase safety and well being for children and push to teach them about sex and consent to protect them from abuse from friends and family, but instead focus on LGBT+ to simplify their (delusional) ideas of risks into something that has never been an issue for children. This also shows that people don't care about their children at all, and just want LGBT+ people to be targeted at the cost of their own children who will not be protected against (sexual) abuse from family members or taught how to recognise the differences between a healthy and abusive situation. None of this requires war and is going on right now, and anti-LGBT+ legislation is passed daily, globally, just to fuel and appease the frustrations of the population without solving any real problems, or caring about anyone's life or well being, not even that of their own children.

I wouldn't say that applies everywere, or to everyone but I'd agree that it applies to some, even many. They'll believe it because they like that property. Facts and critical thinking go by the wayside.

Waiting for the video to be released, but Secrets of Dumbledore was less than subtle by making the bad guys 'sympathetic' by being scared about the atomic bomb. It's also less than transparent authoritarian propaganda. Fantastic Beasts 4 was probably going to reveal that Grinderwald and Dumbledore swapped consciousness during their final battle and Grinderwald and Grinderwald was redeemed by his (platonic) love of Dumbledore with a Snape like back story (some 'Muggles' kicked over his Mother's apple cart)and was 'our' Dumbledore all along while not succumbing to his 'weakness' and not all of his ideas were 'bad' or something, cue Lily and James at Hogwarts. Go Gryffindor!

@@ConnorKent428, While I never saw it, from every review I've read and watched, it sounded like a terrible movie! Glad I skipped it.

​@@ConnorKent428i think at this point even most ardent Rowling fans already know that there were no plans at all to continue the film despite rowling wanting to do 5 part series. Considering she already culled most of Fantastic Beast aspect from it, using Fantastic Beast in title will only be the Quidditch in her books, plot elements that she later resented to write.

Everything?

WTF is wrong with JK Rowling? Her bigotry led her down a very dark path.

@@melissawickersham9912 As Contrapoints said, JK Rowling has gone down the bigotry whirl pool.

Whether it's pooping your robes or denying war crimes, lmao.

Very good points raised. I don't know how you feel about this and whether it makes a difference, but do you think it also depends on the kind of antisemitism and how it manifests ? For example, the nazis had a racial purity ideology wherein Jews were at the very bottom of said racial hierarchy, and thus not worthy of life. In comparison, antisemitism in France (Charles Maurras notably) stemmed from the false and conspiratorial belief Jews were responsible for the decline of the RCC's influence on society (and also the whole 'jews killed Jesus' shite(

Rich people being assholes is not interesting to the media.

Or there are certain political powers that don't want people to care about you, but there are allies that care.

​@@KatiewithdaffodilsThey're not loud enough, unfortunately. Need to keep spreading awareness wherever we can, even if the news outlets won't.

For those interested, here is Laurie Marhofer's assessment of the Vollbrecht case, for which the court specifally asked them to counsel as an expert: www.cambridge.org/core/journals/central-european-history/article/transgender-life-and-persecution-under-the-nazi-state-gutachten-on-the-vollbrecht-case/0779A24B130C4F0CA64DB639FA6DBF46

Thanks for the recommendation!

Ooo I haven't heard of Eva Ibbotson, what did they write?

@@NikitaHarwood Well, The secret behind platform 13, Which Witch, The dragonfly pool and many others. A very talented author, full of wit.

Because she genuinely emotionally believes that the very existence of trans people is a threat to women's rights and safety. How she got there, I don't know, but she's so fully warped by this fear that she will abandon any level of reality and research, because if it goes against the basis of this fear she KNOWS (emotionally believes so strongly it has to be true) that it's misinformation as part of the trans agenda to hurt women.

& how transphobes have no personality beyond transphobia?

Honestly bigotry in general. And how it makes you irrationally hate certain groups of people and not be able to accept facts. I'm not saying we should call everything brain damage, but people falling down a rabbit hole where they start believing more and more conspiracy theories, bigoted lies and can't accept historic facts does seem very damaging to a person. They need SEVERE help from a professional to get back to normalcy

Oh yeah, the harry potter tv show. because she's so angry that Radcliffe and Watson are pro-trans she wants to make a new harry potter but with people that agree with her 😂

​@@HotDogTimeMachine385I pity those poor child actors. Jude Law was clearly absolutely losing it on the set of Secrets of Dumblore and in one scene mimics Rowling's and Yate's crazy eyes.

​@@HotDogTimeMachine385Actually, fuck it, neither Rowling or Yates in general should be near children full stop with the creepy Harry and Ron changing scene in Deathly Hallows Part 2 or Secrets of Dumbledore all but saying Dumbledore had sex with his still 'youthful' former students during their time at Hogwarts, something something the nature of beasts and Rowling seemingly approving of those 'relationships' agasint actual child sexual abuse crimes in her latest crime novel, although God knows how that fits into the Robert Galbraith stuff and she is just stringing Yates along to call 'foul' later.

Calean Conrad did a video on this topic a couple of days ago, that was how I learned about this whole mess

@@SirMaddaMMetzo Me too, but I expected many more videos or shorts to come out sooner. Gaslighting people about historically proven na*i crimes is a pretty big thing.

@@idonotknow8503 it is. On the other hand, I was debating with myself if I share this News with my trans friends and support group or not. Since it's another depressing fact we can't change and only anger us, pushing more and more people into despair. It's a fine line for myself, cause I want to be up to date to any trans related issues, however this takes a massive toll on my mental health, especially when it's about the death of a trans person. Rowling has been an even redder flag for me since last year, when I couldn't escape the Hogwarts debate and I had to endure people at work talking about how they are now buying it to spite trans people and own us... I considered quitting my job over this for some weeks.

@@SirMaddaMMetzo Their video is very well made and carefully referenced.

That's awesome!

... as a nonbinary person, "binary" trans folk do see us as trans. there are some bad actors as with any group, but nonbinary people are trans and other trans folk recognize that. I don't know if you've personally had invalidating experiences, and if so I'm sorry that happened to you. but it is very much not the norm

If I remember correctly, he also identified genderfluid as a valid category!

I am whatever I want to be!

@@gozerthegozarian9500 sure, sure. By the way, I am a god, in case you were wondering...

That is always the correct answer!

Gozer could have reincarnated as german 👻

I presume that the principle of CYA and wanting to avoid being recipients of a defamation suit from someone known to be litigious, to have extremely deep pockets, and more than willing to fund legal attacks might have been very persuasive for some mainstream news organisations to totally ignore this story.

There is also, especiallythe people that are so arrogant they could never,are in danger. Like there are 2 kind of responses to manipulate i can think off,make them believe you know that and believe in your words whatever that be. Or apeal to their high opinion of themselves that they never could be wrong and drip feed them stuff and make them belief its their idea, while showering them with praise. Pretty sure terfs did the later. People thst think theycant fall for stuff probably are the most vunerable with really desperate ones. The only way to really be on guard is not asdume you never fall for misinformation, cults, yada yada. People believe wrong stuff all the time, the thing you can do is check and be open to be proven wrong if its that clear. You can be wrong, and you can fall for scams. And cults. Knowing no one is immune on a bad day is the best way to dont.

Its horrible she is so rich and powerful she can just get away with everything.

Its kinda like a cult, and she isin the deepest terf circles. Ok i would compare it to a cult with a person not able to admit being wrong, and they want, probably kinda like that. And online cults exist.

I think that she's an abuse victim who coped with the abuse in the worst way possible, and doubled down on her maladaption until she became a soulless ghoul who deserves no sympathy.

That's an interesting point. This is SUCH a powerful line (even if it is twisting the truth and connecting two wrong things) that it can stick with someone. I don't know about rowling, but I can definitely imagine someone going down the transphobia route if they heard that.