JOE GRIZZLEY Right! Female fighters that can really punch are out of Rousey's league! She's a baby! She's like this little bully girl on the playground in 4th grade, picking fights with girls that punch like girls. Well, run her up against some female fighters that can hit like men, and she is totally shocked!
stay whys? She practically moonwalked the entire length of the octagon at one point just straight back like Michael Jackson himself although he did have good footwork in all seriousness. ;-P
GAY COACH if she made successful takedown Nunes will be in a lot of trouble Ronda gold medallist in JUDO the fuk with boxing she should have taken her to the ground and beat the shit out of her.
I think eddie was taking the piss when he asked rogan if she could fight the male 35ers. Because rogan had said in the past that ronda would beat half of the fighters in the male 35 division. Edgie Brah is savage
1984 is not a manual. Haha, I think Joe has now realised he firstly fell for, then contributed to, Ronda's hype train. Saying she'd actually beat up a bigger man who happens to be one of the greatest boxer's of all time in Floyd Mayweather was crazy no matter how much I don't actually like Floyd himself. Imagine what he'd do to Ronda's chin if she can't handle Holy's and Amanda's strike's.
No UFC or MMA fan ever has said such a thing. RONDA fans say that. What are RONDA fans. They are usually young women who see Ronda and latch on to her because her being dominant in a violent sport made them feel empowered. That's part of the problem with why she was treated with such kid gloves for all of this, was outspoken women who believed in her... Well RONDA fans, do you still believe in her? She had no footwork, no movement what so ever, she stuck her out and got straight rights hooks and jabs for 48 seconds and made 3 million dollars for it. Does she need to be "consoled" and protected from "fat shaming"? Ronda Rousey is not your female hero. It's Amanda Nunes... she's the first open lesbian Champion in the sport and she made Ronda look like an amateur. Fighters don't need your pity; they hunger to get back in the gym and hopefully get another good matchup to make more money and entertain more fans. What did Dominick Cruz do when he got punched in the face hard enough to drop him to the ground by Cody Garbrandt? He IMMEDIATELY got back up and reengaged in the fight and then was gracious in defeat in front of the crowd cameras and the media who are poking and prodding. He's a fighter. Ronda isn't a fighter, she's a competitor. Judo is a horribly limited grappling martial art, and is even more limited at the Olympic level, and no one is punching you in the face the entire time. So what, Ronda couldn't grab an open clinch and use a judo throw to get Nunes down, simple answer - single legs and double legs all day all night, oh wait oh shit, she doesn't know how to shoot for a take down at all because she's been punching pads to look tough for the camera for over a year. This is MMA, and she had a weak, ill informed gameplan, with a con artist for a head coach in Edmund, and she got duped into his scheme - the idea that she could stand toe to toe with striking specialists and out-muscle them. She needs to go to another gym and start from SCRATCH. She's got basically a very wide open empty arsenal as an MMA fighter...has she ever done anything other then punch and knee pads in terms of strikes? Why don't we see her in Karate classes and Taekwondo class and Muay Thai classes, so many different stances, with more defense, or fighting more long. With her build she could throw some NASTY kicks at any level, and yet she was never trained to do so. She needs to figure out her retirement soon, or try and come back soon against a lower ranked fighter and absolutely just armbar the shit out of them or she will be retired in the minds of the people within the next few months... I mean good god, as a "Mixed Martial Artist", she's just really really bad to bet on at all. She's great at one very limited aspect of mma - Judo. Trips, Tosses, Throws. Despite having a big, powerful god given gift in the thick bone structure of her hands, she has virtually almost no technique or follow through for anything. No sparring,. no simulating the fight, just hitting those same two pads with fast uppercuts. Now that she's been neutralized twice I hope women's MMA in this division can actually evolve a bit beyond the fantasy of "what do I need to learn to beat Ronda Rousey should we ever fight like it had been so dreamily imagined. In order to stop the clinch and the judo tosses, " Apparently, it's fairly simple - you punch her in her goddamn head."
what difference does it make if Nunes is a lesbian, that shouldn't even enter into it, they don't talk about Rhonda being 'straight'. Physiologically maybe Nunes has a little more testosterone (maybe not) but the fact that she's a lesbian or an 'out' lesbian. That doesn't even need to be mentioned
She had trauma from the holly fight. As soon as the fight started with the boxing, her mind went straight back to the holly fight. She was terrified out there. Nunes didnt even have her guard up for most of the fight but ronda froze up.
"If you took the roster of the UFC's bantamweights, 135 pounds, and you paired them up against Ronda Rousey, she might be able to beat 50 percent of them. That's not a joke." - joe rogan back when he was just joking
Brandon Schaub is right. The minute I heard she wasn't doing media I knew she was a fallen star. Biggest part about fighting is being confident in what your doing, the fact that she couldn't convey any confidence to anybody about what she was doing spoke loudly to me.
why i always had respect for Tyson, even after he lost to Douglas he still spoke to people and just said "I messed up and Douglas fought a great fight and I will come back" etc
Ronda is not a boxer, she's a grappler. And CLEARLY she can not hang with a strong boxer. She doesn't even have the very basic boxing skills. No footwork, no head movement. There was no game plan, and you can thank her coaches for that. I'd love to see her fight again but with a really good striking coach. And I hate to say it because by all accounts the dude is a douchbag, but Bang Ludwig might be who she needs.
Mike M She needs the Diaz brothers. they'll get her cardio, grappling, and boxing so much better. ludwig won't make much than what the Diaz brothers, Gilbert Melendez and Gracie can do for her.
And not even a true grappler, because her judo background doesn't work that well without a judogi or kimono to grab the opponent, and with the gloves is even harder to catch the rival; Roussey never attack the legs like a wrestler does, so, if you add a rainfall of fists to her face it was a matter of time for the other fighters to read Ronda.
It was not a fight. Ronda had no instinct to defend herself, straight arm jab Nunes AWAY and mover her head at the same time. Ronda had no instinct to move her head or even run away to regroup like Conor did in his rematch with Diaz. Also, Ronda's chin was never never tested in the gym with solid sparring partners. They coddled her mae sure her face was never cut or beat up which did not prepare her for a REAL PUNCH.
There was a period where Ronda was head and shoulders above the rest of the division. As women's mma grew, more and more top level female athletes pursued a career in it. Now there are multiple fighters who are of a much higher standard than the opponents Ronda originally faced and Ronda hasn't adapted to this. If you look at all the fighters Ronda beat, where are they now? She is a victim of her own success.
ingrogies1 that's a fact! People aren't taking in consideration she fought the same couple females multiple times and that's when the female division was up and coming. Now like you said and like Nunez said forget about Rousey man it's more quality fighters outside of just Rousey...look at holly holm she beat Rousey and then lost her next fight...Rousey is just done plain and simple!
ingrogies1 thats just not true. look at Amanda's losses...people Ronda just blew through. You think the athletes have changed since Rousey started her career in the UFC? naah styles make fights mate
Absolutely . Ronda was an Olympian in a new sport crushing cans . Tate gave her a tough fight though . Now we have competion and she's exposed for being one dimensional . And it's great to see btw . I loved all 48 seconds of that !!
I agree with Brendan...I don't think Rhonda was there or wanted to be there. And she definitely wasn't ready. Nunes has more in her arsenal, is quick, and has powerhouse punches.
i have no idea how you can say its ok for Dana White to just allow Ronda to do no Media. And then when Conor asks for something similar oh no can never do that and then he throws him off the card. thats called being a massive hypocrite. Now UFC need Conor more than ever. Also why arent you commenting on how much of a bad sport ronda is for not talking after getting beat both times??? Look at Conor after he lost. He spoke even though he was devastated. You seem to be riding her way too much. Ronda is a bad sport
Sadly, Ronda hasn't learned. She "Still" has the same boxing coach which she needs to be fired ASAP. Secondly, she really needs to get trained at a higher level gym, her total game plan needs to change. He own mother has told her to fire her boxing coach but she hasn't listened. Oh well, I think she's done but if she decides to come back a lot needs to change...But people need to give her credit, she placed female MMA on the pedestal for others to follow~
True. I agree. People shit on her bcoz she lost twice. And that is very low of people. But what she did for women's MMA has been tremendous. She deserves all credit for that.
You could see, at the weigh in vs Holly Holm, Rhonda was scared and unsure of herself. She tried to be over aggressive to cover it up. Something rattled her cage before the HH fight.
i remember her trying to push holly off balance and holly actually pushed back and ronda looked genuinely surprised by her strength and by holly not backing down and was furious because her attempt to punk holly backfired. holly showed her strength in the fight by stuffing one of rhonda throws and actually picking ronda up off of her feet
I disagree with Joe. Something was up with Rousey before the fight. She looked like someone who wanted to look intense, but it wasn't coming from inside. I think everyone around her pressured into fighting again and she was never committed. Going up against someone who can hit like Nunes, you have to be 110% committed.
I think it's just that Ronda never faced solid strikers, everybody she faced just rushed and tried to play her game, she never got hit, so she never knew how bad it hurts, and now you see her face, and it looks like she's saying "holy shit!! it hurts!!!!".
I went back and looked at Ronda's past victories and she charges and dominates. She doesn't just try to go toe to toe like she did with Amanda. Ronda is a Bull and I just didn's see that here. It's like she lost the Eye of the Tiger man.
Being absolutely clueless in this sport I still see it all being obvious. Poor training and deviation from her proven skills and strengths is a big factor for her poor performance.Also, Fighting a freaking warrior for your first fight in months! what a stupid idea....maybe it was for the $3 million. I would have lasted longer dropping to the floor, kicking, screaming, crying and clawing like a feral animal before she knocked my ass out. I think it always comes down to poor management, training and greed that brings these champs down....Tyson being a good example.
the problem wasn't strategy it was 48 seconds and she got hurt very early and she tried to clinch 2 times and got shrugged off when ronda got hit hard she froze simple as that
I just watched the fight and came across this video. Ronda was not in the right head space. She had terrible strategy. But the mental part of it fucked her over. Even though the fight was only 40 seconds, you could just tell she was only there physically.
That outcome was no surprise whatsoever. It wasn't down to 'bad strategy', 'bad coaching', 'head not in it' or anything else. Nunes was simply better period. A top-notch fighter with multiple skills vs a one-trick pony.
Heather Gracie once stated in a documentary that Ronda was like a computer chip she could download a move by just seeing it with grappling probably should have took some time with a pro wrestler like wrestling at a college level or olympic-level wrestling to change levels to get a double-leg takedown or grabbed or somehow pulled guard
Joe is so wrong sbout it being ok for Ronda not to do media before the fight. BOTH headliners are obligated to promote the fight. It is clear favoritism by the UFC for Ronda Rousey and that is absolutely sketchy.
Dude in the red (Brandon or whatever) is one of those guys that disagrees with you. And then after you retort he comes back with exactly what you said as a counter?!
I respect Ronda's devotion to her coach. She doesn't need to fire the guy, she just needs to train with other coaches too. If you have been doing the same shit and people figure you out, you have to change the puzzle. Give them something else to look at.
I told everyone who would listen to me that Amanda was gonna murder Ronda's ass. Never seen a more satisfying fight tbh after all the BS drama Rousey put on.
Rousey seriously worked out and was fit...but it's evident that this is all she did...she skipped on actually training the craft...when I saw how much she improved her physique, I thought she would win...give Nunez all the credit for being so tough and smashing Rousey's face.
This is an interesting conversation and I respect Schaub's opinion on fighting but I'm with Joe here. If Ronda's heart wasn't in it it wasn't visible until she started getting hit by the Nunes heavy artillery. She didn't have the confidence that she started the Holm fight with, and if there was a commitment issue that would have been in the way she handled her camp, outside of our view. Brendan probably can't talk about Ronda objectively because he has cuddled with her haha.
When I first heard of this fight between Ronda and Nunes I thought to myself Nunes could send Ronda to the hospital with those vicious punches she does. Dana is getting more and more greedy now, he doesn't care about his fighters well being, just ratings and the dough. Yes it's the fight business but you don't book fights where one of the fighters took a year out without booking them warmup fights before a title fight.
Amanda was one epic fighter . Ronda was not a well rounded fighter . She was had fed most fight as too was McJoke . At least Ronda defended her title as a true champ should . that's what creates a true champion . Unlike Mcjoke who just hold on to belts for dear life . Never ever defending . just holding up divisions . the brake was a blessing for 170/185 divisions . And the mayweather fight ?????? What a joke that was .
Ronda herself said her first opponents she beat were all defensive counter punches. She got it handed to her by two women who had an offense and defense.