Regardless of your opinion on hunting, these guys are a great example of how two people with different opinions can sit and have a civilized conversation with great communication skills and developed emotional intelligence. The world would be a much better place with more of this.
@@KelticTim was just about to say, and I'm not sure if it's a more British thing or not, but I've found that here in England you can have discussions like this and very rarely does it get personal
This is how humans should interact when they disagree. That's what I love about Joe. He talks to all kinds of people and tries to get where they're coming from.
My best friend is vegan and she is really cool, doesn’t push her beliefs on others, she actually actively tried to get me to order a meal with chicken last time we went out, because she thought I was ordering a salad for her benefit. 😆 Not all vegans are like crazy church people trying to force their religion on you.
I had a normal conversation with one. She'd overheard me say I hadn't hunted deer in 6 years and asked me why? I told her my life had gotten extremely busy right after the last hunt and that my father(my hunting buddy) had a stroke shortly after and we'd both taken a deer that year and that a lot of the meat had went to waste because I was gone working a lot and my father while he was recovering from his stroke had forgotten to give it away like we had decided and that I loved deer meat but I wasn't going to kill one if was going to end up freezer burnt. I asked her why she was vegan? She told me that she was extremely sensitive but was outgrowing it some and was thinking about becoming a vegetarian and then we went back to our other conversations. The fear in the other people's eyes at the table with us could be felt when she asked me that though😂. She wasn't rude,just seemed curious.
I dont hunt anymore but as a teen and young adult hunting season was about spending the best years of my life hanging with and learning from my dad. Miss that guy.
I think that's almost more of the point of hunting for alot of people is the bond you get with your old man and then what you pass to your son's or daughters.
@@1Leggo9my9Eggo2 I understand that people don't like hunting and there's nothing wrong with that but I get tried of people calling us scumbags and shit like that and he clearly said that he understood
@@1Leggo9my9Eggo2 Joe literally said he understands and respects the decision to not hunt or eat animal products in the very beginning of this discussion. Get off your soap box. Just because everyone isn't dropping everything rn to become vegan doesn't mean it's just ears plugged "lalalalala nanana cant hear you"
@@oakley.130 scumbag! jk lol in my unjudging opinion i think hunting should be reserved as a last resort to survival. Like if you are starving out in the cold with no edible vegitation and no other means of food. We shouldnt have mass farming and killing of animals because a lot of those animals are killed and wasted!!! what a shame. And i LOVE a good burger so this is a sacrifice for me as well that i am willing to take. We live in a self centered world tho where theres no way this would realistically happen unfortunately.
@@530Issa I'd argue that people who eat meat should hunt at least once in their lives. Having to see an animal die, then cut it open and pull its guts out, and then cook and eat it....takes it toll. Its not easy. I eat less meat because of it, and most others would too.
"i've given up judging people I don't agree with because I accept I don't know everything". I think this could be one of the most important things a human can learn?
It's a good lesson if applied correctly or else you'll end up with moral relativism. You don't know everything but that doesn't mean you don't know anything, right?
What about murder or rape tho? There are plenty of things people feel strongly about and can’t just be like “well u just feel differently, I don’t know everything”. And I’m not saying that invalidates the idea or what he’s saying, cause I agree with him, but it only applies to things that aren’t serious enough to matter like that. If there were no government or laws and there was a murderer in your neighborhood, shouldn’t you judge him or even take measures to stop him?
Russell Brand is the model that everyone should look into being like. He’s open to conversation and to understand others that he doesn’t agree with. Our society keeps trying to cancel others that they don’t agree with. It’s quite sad.
@@josephjacobs4446 and people like you are the reason wars start. Your assaninity and closed mindedness is saddening. You only want people to see things your way but won't listen to others. Bet your a great friend 🤣
@@killtrump_666 "Mettere a tacere è una semplice conseguenza" (To silence, it's a simple consequence). ~ Benito Mussolini Congratulations on matching the opinion the inventor of fascism had on censorship.
Honestly thats how I've been feeling lately, before I would take up on arms against everyone and would have dozens of threads on comment sections and forums arguing with people of different views. Now, arguments are good as long as they are productive, but most people dont look at themselves with a 3rd person view point and are blind as to what they dont know or could be.
Rabidcolombian To be fair, they both probably paid more than 750 dollars in taxes, and neither Joe or Russell actually are racist, bigots, or sexist. Also, Russell didn’t call him “Stinky Joe” Rogan, for example, before this discussion. Translation: That debate and this debate isn’t exactly an apples to apples comparison. Or is that tough for you to figure out?
@@speakingtruths4215 yeah I 100% agree Trump smoked Biden in that debate.. it was like the greatest Granny Smith ever to a rotten Tomato. Spot on man keep speaking truth👍
@masterp@1ne something that you will never get a leftist to understand is, every tax loophole that Millionaire and billionaire use, they themselves could use if they had a job and actually paid taxes, and those laws have been on the books for decades and they aren't laws that Trump had anything to do with, he used the tax code that are in place and perfectly legal.
2 open minded individuals sharing life stories and feelings, no voice raising, no screaming or crying. Just both accepting eachothers opinions and having a chat
Russel likes to take the piss from time to time, but in the latter years he's really matured. He fancies himself an intellect, which he most certainly is not, but he's entertaining to listen to.
@@misterkid I respect the fact that he respects other people being interested in something he is personally against, maybe one day politicians and political activists will start to think the same way
I haven't been big game hunting in over 20 years but I still purchase a hunting and fishing license every year to help support my state's department of natural resources.
@@koenwijnen9186 Maybe when you grow up you will have a better understanding of what your local DNR does and how it works? Or you could just ask your mommy to explain it to you.
@@T.Dubya311 Not everybody lives in America dummy. Im from the Netherlands we have no DNR here. Is there something wrong with you or dont you know theres other countries?
@@koenwijnen9186 As far as I'm concerned there's only one country, genius, and that's the USA. I couldn't care less about the rest of America or your nether regions. Maybe next time you ask a question about someone's comment you should leave out the "WTF" and the "LMAO" so they know your question is legitimate and not just a smart-ass reply.
@@T.Dubya311 Its because even when I dont know what "supplying your state's department of natural resources" means in this context I already know its a dumb reason. Oy vey american boy, love being a wageslave for the tribe? DUmbass thinking America rules the world when its just a handful (((men))) that control you as the good little debtslave you are.
What a great conversation! The fact that these 2 men don't agree, don't change their pov, butt still hear and RESPECT each other gives us all a model of how to converse with people with which we do not agree.
You might just be hanging out with the wrong people. Don't let all the media spin on both sides get you down. There's plenty of good people to talk to.
@@hoobaguy4311 I have people from across the political/social spectrum in my circle of family and friends. I can count on one hand those that I can speak frankly with about differences of opinion. The world finally allowed the media to separate us into camps, and hardly anyone goes beyond regurgitating slogans and reading directly from the templates handed to them by pundits. I hope it gets better one day.
One of the things I love about both of these guy, but especially Russell Brand. He is very good about not interrupting people and really listening to them and respecting their opinions.
I appreciate Russel Brand and Ricky Gervais. They're willing to hear out an argument and then challenge their own beliefs to understand others. A great example to their countrymen.
Russell Brand has grown so much over the years. Most do, to some extent, but his journey has been public and while he absolutely drove me nuts years ago, he's now one of my favorite people to listen to and I would just love to have a conversation with him! I completely understand that not everyone can deal with taking a majestic animal's life, and even I had some times where those thoughts went through my head. It's all about respect for nature, and realizing that we have always been a natural member of the food chain. I would never try to talk someone into hunting if they're not comfortable, and I'm glad Russell has realized it's not his place to do the opposite.
@nasser wiz Versus looking at what it is, you take his character and make an assumption against him to dislike him? On top of that, an assumption that has nothing backing it up?
@nasser wiz You're sure he manipulates young females? where did you gather this assuredness? or are you just saying you're sure because, you know, fuck it it's the internet?
same way most democrats won't even consider reading facts that oppose their views. As for vegans, it feels really hypocritical how they can just claim to care about all lives and such but won't listen to billions of people that feel the need for meat or how they think that plants aren't living things. Just because they don't have sad crying eyes, doesn't make plants less alive.
@Cioby hypocritical to not listen to billions of people trying to justify killing billions of animals? is that really hypocritical or are you being dumb?
@@nabilyassin1742 You can have strong opinions, but if you are an asshole as well, it don't work out well with other people. I think that strong opinions don't persuade because the people are too passionate, or they're assholes about it. The other person will just dig in and get defensive, and never consider the other person's side. You gotta soft sell, so they don't put their walls up. In this case nobody was soft selling... Russell just conceded. Probably to just keep a good banter going. I'm sure Russell has firm convictions but he's not an asshole, so he just met Rogan half way and said that his points were valid.
Two of my favorite podcasters doing what makes them my favorites. They talk to each other knowing they have differences but listening fully and not becoming aggressive. Truly respect these two.
depends on how it's done. those rare animals are specifically selected because they are unable to breed or known targets of poachers. The cost of the hunt is extravagant to the hunter and all meat is donated to the locals. The only think the hunter gets to have is the picture at the end of the hunt usually
If things cant be hunted(wether or not it has the numbers to make hunting it sustainable) then those animals have to depend on other people. And the tragedy of modernity is that savage, primal man cares more about nature than civilized man. The hunter you despise for glory seeking is now in some cases the only reason some animals stick around. We live in a secularized, utilitarian, and materialistic age. We choose starbucks coffee and warm showers over a better world in most of our choices in daily life.
Depends on the nature of the animal man, culling sick and elderly animals is good. Trophy hunters pay a hefty sum for tge privilege, the local government gets the cash the local population gets the food. Poachers killing elephants to cut their heads off so they can powder the ivory for chinese buisnessman ED medicine is another story.
Coming back after the last couple years, videos like these remind me how good the times were before. I hope we can go back to having mundane conversations soon
I’m not a fan of hunting but Rogans explanation makes sense. He’s right that if you’re really hunting older animals you could be saving them from an unpleasant end. Animals in the wild do not die peacefully in their sleep of old age.
@Caleb M. F nah hes had plenty of guest rude. Some adults are able to disagree and give both sides and move on while still respecting eachother. This should be done 100% of the time unfortunately weve gotten away from this level of communication.
They're far from arguing, not even mildly debating They fundamentally disagree, but neither is trying to convince the other that he's wrong or should change his mind They're simply discussing the ways in which they disagree and getting to understand each other's perspective better Truly great to see
I love these kind of conversations. If more conversations with non-meat eaters sounded like this there'd be a lot more respect going back & forth. I grew up semi-regional & to have enough food sometimes you *have* to use what's around you but I love Russell being so settled in his decision.
i love how eloquent russel brand is. but what i love is his perspective that people with contrarian thoughts should not impose on others who may not agree with them.
@Davidson 1 asserting that you know anything as an unalterable fact is a recipe for stagnation. If you're wrong about your assertions, but simultaneously cling to them forever, you'll never live in harmony with truth.
Instead we have a dramatically oversensitive outlook on the world and the people and things that inhabit it, people want to go out of their way to get offended, what a time to be alive.
@Masterpiece GB When I hunt it is never just trophy hunting and no one o know does this.. The ones that just trophy hunting are some from the cities. You take the game, you pray over them. Then you harvest all you can and what's l we ft goes to the dogs. Every animal I kill is one less that is raised and killed in horrible conditions. Also the people that don't eat the animal around here donate it to the poor
Ricky Woods I wonder if Masterpiece GB eats store bought meat? If he/she has ever seen the sick conditions that those type of meat are in they’d stop buying and start hunting and not every hunt do you get something because it takes skill and patience. Some folks will never understand. Have a fantastic day bud
I love the fact that they sat down and had a conversation about a topic they are polar opposites of. No yelling no insults just talking and being willing to listen and even try to see the view of the topic from the other side.
This is how people are meant to converse, differing opinions but respectful conversation. Kudos to them both. I strongly believe there is hope, but not just hope I think people are starting to work towards a common future.
Wow... I'm floored by Russell Brand being willing to listen to another side, and not loosing his mind. Everyone on both sides of the fence should take notes. I am a hunter, and have been my entire life, and my freezers are always full. I have had numerous conversations with anti hunters over the years that went south within minutes, if not seconds, because the anti zealot lost their minds. I'm not forcing my lifestyle on you, why would they do it to "us" to include death threats. Thank you Russell Brand for being the voice of reason on that side of the fence. I am so happy to have watched this.
yes, I'm sure you for sure are not the reason the "numerous conversations with anti-hunters over the years that went south within minutes"... as soon as they said something I bet your like "how dare you impede on my rights! 'merica trump yeehaw" or closet gay dudes like guns
Lol no its not, the politicians worst nightmare is actual political revolution. They actually embrace this kind of shit, because it makes people complacent with the current system we have now and casts an illusion of enlightenment based solely on "listening to both sides".
I gained immense respect for Russel Brand during this episode, he let a hunter explain his point of view fully, and then presented his own reasoning in a collected manner.
The thing I wish joe would have whent into a little more detail with is how it's perfectly okay to have a huge amount empathy for what you are hunting, any hunter worth their salt never wants the animal to suffer. The best hunters and the best marksmen feel the most pride when dropping big game from over 150 yards away and hitting the sweet spot for instant death. No pain, is what every hunter should strive for. Now that being said, I have messed up badly before when I was 11 and I shot a deer in the wrong spot and it wasn't instant death, I had to finish it with a knife and I cried, but we had meat for the winter. From then on I've practiced with a larger and more accurate caliber rifle with a scope that from 150 yards away I can shoot a grouping pattern about the size of the palm of your hand . I plan on making the grouping smaller. So hopefully I won't ever miss the instakill spot again. I also believe that any animal that is dying a long painful death is flooding it's body with adrenaline and other chemicals that make the meat taste no where near as good as when it's instant. Kind of natures way of saying you suck at this, do better next time.
that makes you see their are good people who understand and dont judge but will put in their side to explain how it feels to them. We need more people like russell.
I always found him to be misunderstood. I'm not suggesting that I fully understand him or anything. But, I've always just felt that he's spent a lot of time being wildly misunderstood. He's a thoughtful, masculine, sensitive, gregarious, feather-ruffling, careful, fuck-it, caring, generous asshole. Somehow he's Joe Rogan's oppsite and complement. **I'd love to listen to a podcast of just these 2 guys, drawimg a debatable topic out of a hat.
@@C_Tizzle He has changed alooooot though recently. He is much more self-aware of his old behaviour. Look at his netflix special, he talks alot about how the way he was wasn't healthy. To no ones surprise alot was because of drugs and alcohol.
He is! I've been following him for a while now, and even where he may seem a little ignorant about a topic, he is clearly very wise in his critical thinking or thought processes. I love his frankness, it's so refreshing 🥛🥛
Big up to these two for having separate opinions yet have the maturity to hear each other out. I get where Russell is coming from about everyone hunting, here in Canada in order to hunt you have to buy tags. By buying tags the ministry are able to keep wild life sustainable.
An example: dems propose 2.3 trillion dollar bill and bail outs for democrat run cities, trump tries to find middle ground with 1.6 trillion, which is plenty. Dems refuse. Trump again tries to find common ground by wanting $1200 for every eligible American. Dems refuse. To them it's their way or nothing and this is the problem with the modern day dems and its why so many are leaving them for the repubs. fax only!
You're doing the thing you are talking about. Surely you can at least acknowledge that there are Democrats that have real views that you disagree with that aren't just bad people.
Rogan is smart enough to not believe religious silliness from 2000 years ago because it doesn’t apply but he needs to relive his Hunter gatherer that is even older then religious silliness. Right
When I went hunting for the first time hunting my cousins, who are hunts, I told them how I felt really bad when we were butchering, my cousin told me something that will always stick with me. “That’s a good thing, you should feel like that. Taking a life is not laughing matter. If you didn’t feel that way we would have a problem. That feeling is where true respect for the animal comes from.”
@@larrycooper5328 , How will not watching his nonsensical videos exposeJoe Rogan's simpleton views on soil conservation, nutrition, and the USA's health crisis? And, your health is in jeopardy eating the foods silly Joe thinks are important. Will he give you a healthy life back? Are you on daily meds yet? Who in your family is? Where do you suppose Joe got his education? Think about it; his is another venue where self-promoting narcissists have another venue so you can gawk. Can you think of something intelligent to say?
@Rob Roy I agree with you from ten minutes of research that Andrews is a racist. And yeah that’s quite true about the dictionary. I don’t know if he does it genuinely or not but sometimes Russel does just spout a bunch of big, overly-unnecessary, words in the middle of his sentences which can be cringey to watch. Still, “dickhead” couldn’t be more of a subjective term lol.
Now the book russell needs is the Holy Bible, so he can accept Jesus Christ as his Lord and Saviour before he takes his last breath in his flesh body. He has rejected his True Eternal Father Jesus Christ for to long and has made earthly riches instead of eternal riches. I pray for russel and all the other secular/wordly believing idiots to accept Jesus Christ as their Lord and Saviour
I'm a pita person, people that eat tasty animals I enjoy your show for me. I respect you for listening to both sides and for standing your ground. I also enjoyed you in the Fear Factor.
Joe speaks 100% Truth and its nice to see two respectable humans have a genuine discussion that one can see both sides of the spectrum. I am a hunter and the best part for me is the fact that, I know everything about that meat on my table thats going in my body. How I harvested it, cleaned it, cared for it, processed it , and most importantly that no hormones were pumped into it.
How Russel can maneuver through all of these complex thoughts and not even blunder a single word is absolutely astounding to me. This dude just said a whole ass page worth of words in 15 seconds and it all still made sense.
Trust me, he didn't think: "oh my brain" or anything. It would have been a bad shot anyway. Very easy to miss or even worse leave an animal running around with no jaw.
now thats a good convo between 2 people, both cool dudes and down to earth, i watch the brand show too and he makes some killer points on most subjects
Dale Carnegie talked about that in his book "How To Win Friends and Influence People" Being genuinely interested in the person you're talking with is a good way to make a great impression.
@@jimraynor7788 I have such a hard time doing that. If Im just not interested in what someone is saying I cant pretend to be interested. Not saying I wont listen, but I just have a hard time keeping the conversation going.
Russell has become incredibly insightful and aware of himself. His ability to be so open minded to different viewpoints and his own hangups is impressive as well.
I was actually surprised at 7:00 onward. I used to want to punch this guy everytime I heard his voice... I mean, his voice still makes me want to punch him, but his words make more sense now.
I like the way Russell Brand's brain works. He can always see both sides of issues. Very open minded but aware that his beliefs/feelings are his own and does not try to impose them on others. He is not self righteous.
@@grayskull1521 No on is perfect, Gary Skull. We all know nothing at birth and will never know everything. The best sort of intelligence is knowing that most decisions we make are based on emotion and our perception. if you learn how to learn then you are on the road. One aspect of this is to be aware that you don't know much and use the strengths of others to get the result for you.
Abigail b I agree. The world would be a better place if we could see other people's views and still do are own work and nothing ended with violence. Don't judge anybody. Have a great day😉🕊🍺☘🇮🇪💷
People love to throw the term "pseudo-intellectual" around. butttttt that's what russell is. He might be less of an ignorant douchebag now though, so progress of a kind I guess
The way he went in at the end, was so fucking yea just made me appreciate that part, like he understood where he could be wrong but he still stands by his belief fucking respect man
Much respect to all the comments giving Russel and Joe much respect. If only all comment sections gave much respect to people giving much respect for respecting each other's respect. Respect 🙏
gym shoe He made a lot of sense and seemed to really soak in Rogan’s stance. This is called not a conversation. Where as Shapiro will come on, speak in rapid fire, make little sense, and repeat his same talking points without learning anything. This is why I respect Russell Brand, he promotes open mindedness, and you can’t deny that.
Toronto Rangers What? Do you even know what the difference is? Dog fighting involves extended periods of extremely violent fighting that will end in a terrible and painful death for the animal. Putting a bullet into the brain or heart of an animal is by far the least painful and fastest death for any animal. Not only that, hunting is used to provide food for people while dog fighting is literally for the dopamine release of watching gore and blood pour out of animals.
@Toronto RangersMy guess is, if those same hunters took two bull elk in full rut and put them in a small arena from which there was no escape, and forced them to gouge and gore themselves until one could no longer stand... the public would want to hang them too. You can do much better.
And russel brand acting 200% less arrogant in interviews because he knows rogan would shove his snowflake head up his own ass if he disrespected him on stream. Brand acted like the true pussy he is in this interview
Such a great listen. I love how they both have total different opinions but listen and don’t say anything negative to the other! Our world would be such a better place if we would take time to learn from and listen to those that don’t have the same beliefs!
While also slightly making fun of things some vegans do like rambling on about their view points and beliefs because they someone gave them an in like the topic of hunting. He’s a smart dude.
I loved watching it and I consider both Joe and Russell to be intelligent men and they both made great points and I respect them both(I also think that the older he gets, the more Russell Brand is starting to look like the comic book writer Alan Moore). l loved the point Joe made about hunting in an era prior to there being refrigeration as well as the kind of large-scale agriculture that we have now and how hard it was to get food. It's similar to how when the founding fathers of the American revolution wrote the U.S. Constitution, when they wrote it, if you didn't hunt, it meant you didn't EAT. I can respect both sides of the arguments that they were making. I have never gone hunting but I know people who do hunt so I think that one of these days, I might have to try it.
Glen Lehane If you're going to cry about judgement and grandstanding aren't you contributing to the problem? Cause are opinions all the same and self expression. Why is "judging" where some people want to cut off their "free speech" fanaticism? Let me say whatever I want but don't judge me? If the "differing opinions" mean a worse life for you or an attack on your humanity as it so often is with the many hateful ideas in our society, it's not just some inconsequential opinion.
Joe’s explanation is excellent. I cannot hunt four leg animals since the war, but respect his explanation with full support. Almost makes me want to hunt elf, but never deer and I have tons of deer on my land.
I don't think there was one that was wrong or right. Russel seem to have a libertarian mind set where it's your life to live not his and joe just stated that hunting costs go to help the environment. It seems like they found common ground and came to an agreement that hunting isn't bad.
Video made me think of this quote by Bertrand Russell: 'The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves, but wiser people so full of doubts.'
Brilliant and so damn true. The problem is that the fools and fanatics do not have the capacity nor the interest in this quote and the feeling and philosophy behind it. Thank you.
Man, you do kill the hunted animal, you feel proud and you feel sorry, and you cry at the same moment. It's the same thing as with the native Indians that used to say "thank you" to the hunted down animal. I can't explain this right away, but it is not an empty moment and it is not a triumph and pride all the way. Pride comes after the struggle. You gonna freeze your ass off 5 times before you will come up to the right place and right time.
More important than disagreeing at a personal level is to not be an authoritarian and say "it's ok that people can do it but it's not for me" so I applaud Russel for that
I love how the media has portrayed Russel Brand as a complete idiot, funny guy but once you did deeper you find possibly one of the most interesting and intelligent people on the planet who hasn’t let fame and money get to his head and is very willing to learn and contribute to intelligent conversation.
The NotMangaMan, most of the media from 2007-2012 from what I remembered always made fun of him because of how he dressed and he is a comedian so he isn’t academically intelligent, I was young at the time so I might perceived it wrong but that’s what I remember
The thing to appreciate about Russel here is that he's capable of articulating and understanding this opposing viewpoint. He's not strawmanning anyone, he's not trying to win an argument. He's expressing his own distaste for hunting, but simultaneously accepting the reasoning behind why people like Joe hunt. This video is a great example of tolerance. The antithesis of bigotry.
It really depends on the argument with him, he does often fall into the pit of assuming what people think rather than listening to what they say but he performed pretty well in this
Joe, you are spot on. Hunting is not a sure thing. It's the chase and then the harvest if the opportunity presents itself. Love watching you with Steven Rinella.
