@@magzies5795 you're describing a very specific event that justifies self defense, dogs are plentiful and not near extinction. That is to say nothing about why the dog is coming to attack you. Did you provoke it?
But it is proven to have helped conservation, putting a price on the animal help the locals make a living. In Africa they would have already killed all the animals for food and protection from predators
In Africa...countries that allow trophy hunting have a lot of animals. In countries where trophy hunting is banned, the animals have little value, the locals exterminate all of the large animals. In countries where trophy hunting is allowed the animals are managed, the locals value the animals because of their economic value, hunting brings millions of dollars into the economy for the local populations and conservation. It is not the trophy hunters that endanger the animals it is the local populations that kill large predators because of the dangers they present to locals and their livestock and kill other animals for food. Trophy hunters donate the meat to the locals and leave the economy richer so the locals value the animals.
sdghv lvhgngv I bought a British, old martini henry black powder military rifle from the 1880’s. It needs to go be imperialistic again lol. Perfect solution
When it's the poor people, poaching for some money, or food, they do shoot and kill them. They want the trophy hunters that pay big money to have dibs.
Rogan is impacting this world in a super super POSITIVE way. I dont even think people realize the impact hes having on society, little by little. This dude will go down as a legend. History in the making with Rogan. Mark my words.
We don’t need to group the cheetah and the hippo to the big five because we already know not to fuck with them. I’m guessing it’s something foreigners and tourists get told because we don’t want more news stories of them getting killed due to stupidity
@Do Nut there ya go, more like that one. Next time try making a decent point in the first place, maybe if you had one people would want to argue with you more
Stop the Chinese from using horns and body parts for traditional medicine and there will be no market. Poachers will go elsewhere, no one is killing lions for food.
I’m a big hunter, that being said, if you kill an animal for pure joy, you are no longer hunting, you are now just killing. No reason for it whatsoever.
@Jersh’s pigeon that made no sense... Big cats only kill for food or kill other predators they think is a treat... Sadism seems to be prominent amongst white Western society
I'd like to mention as well that often times with these exotic hunts there is a specific reason to kill one specific animal. Elephants for example live for a long time, and the males will often go sterile before they die, so if a male elephant goes sterile but still defends his harem of cow elephants, he is now possessing 3, 4, 5, or more breeding females and defending them from other breeding bulls. So what happens is local guides (impoverished African locals who now have a viable source of income and natural resources education) will spend months tracking and documenting these bulls. After they have a bull selected for a cull they can charge let's say 30,000 or more dollars to allow a hunter to come in and kill it, using the meat to feed local villagers, the ivory is then harvested and the funds go towards wildlife management, resource studies, and local economies. It's not just an asshole American with a big gun shooting the fuck out of beautiful endangered animals
@@macattack9041 That probably rarely happens. There is still a massive market for ivory and impoverished people will kill the animal more likely for a fast income. The derived income also feeds his family, and it takes less effort.
Even though the last northern white rhino, they were able to extract some of its semen/dna and some AMAZING people are working on using a southern white rhino's eggs to hopefully make a new northern white rhino.
Just had this discussion with my roommate, who’s from Zimbabwe, and she said the same thing. Trophy Hunters pay a shit ton of money which is then used to fund the park/park ranger types because the government doesn’t have the money to do it themselves.
Joe did a good job explaining the importance of hunting elephants. I’ve been to South Africa and talked to these people and hunting them is a very delicate thing, you have to do it the right way and take the old bulls that arnt reproductive and all there doing is damaging the heard by killing the young elephants that arnt there offspring. If there doing this why not take them out and get money for them that will benefit the community and add value to the animal so people will keep them around. Same thing a lot of other species. Some people just can’t wrap their head around it. I don’t blame them they just need to be educated on the topic more from a professional.
that is one of the few forms of hunting I can be like "yeah that's a good thing actually", but I think in that situation people just kill the animal, and get the meat. Posing with it's corpse for a picture as if it's something to be proud of, or making trophies out of it to decorate your living room is some sick serial killer shit
@@jackhamilton9604 hunting was never just about the meat. Some animals can be such a nuisance that we hunted them to extinction. Let’s take the Cape Lion that went extinct however long ago. These lions were twice the size of a normal African Lion. They hunted preferably Cape Buffaloes which are why so many Buffaloes are around today because even know they have this niche they couldn’t put a dent in the buffaloes numbers compared to what humans could do to them. Cape Lions hunted men and well…. History leads to there extinction. This goes for many big predators near human civilization as well as large herbivores who can be twice as aggressive. There used to be an African bear called the Atlas bear and they mostly foraged for there meat but like asiatic bears who are very aggressive so were they. So we hunted them out towards extinction. Of course they lived in mountain ranges but think of how animals effect humans because they do. Sort of like how tofu farms kill most of the small animals to stop them from eating the crops. Here’s something that I tell most people that will bust your balls quite a bit. Do you know only 2 wild rabbit species are doing successfully? The rest are endangered.
Excellent rebuttal, most people have never left the US, let alone Africa, without hunters in Africa, alot of people will go hungry, nothing is wasted on any animal that's hunted,if people wanted the animals to stop being hunted,why aren't they giving their life savings to all of the African tribes,hell,they could call it reparations 😉 😀 😢
People use bee hives as a substitution for fences to keep elephants away from crops/homes/water holes etc. and its good for the local bee populations as well. Knowledge is power!
No no no no no no no.... I'm from africa and a lot of points I disagree with. First. it was THE LAST WHITE male RHINO there are still two last females and hopefully they can get babies. Second. Those poachers are richer than the people it's a small group of people who poach and are richly rewarded it's a brutal industry with small militias funded by these ivory trading. You wouldn't have 24/7 military around the RHINO just for a poor guy with a gun it's honestly well armed people who are rich and looking to get richer. Google the price of ivory and in Asia there is value along with a crazy market they only just illegalized ivory. Third it's not really the animals that are encroaching on peoples land the population increase is making people build in habitats that were originally from the animals so it's not the animals are encroaching it's the people who are expanding into the area. Fourth. They even cut of the horns from the rhinos nowdays but poachers still kill them. So thanks for bringing up the topic it's important cause the African elephant is soon extinct because of the increase in poaching. I think we should look at it like drugs, where is the demand and let's change things there so we cut off the demand therefore closing the market.
Why do you care if the poachers are over hunting the animals ? Just let them do whatever they want and in a few decades time, those animals will go extinct and then the poachers won't have anything to hunt and won't make profit, so they eventually won't poach anymore = problem solved ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°) a poaching free world.
Who's desperate that hunts a lion? Like really desperate people would hunt for food. I've never heard of a poor person in all my years in Africa that helps game poachers
Noobie WatcherZ 😞😞ignorance really is bliss don't you think that changes in animal habitats doesn't effect humans? Nobody cares about bees until there all gone than what happens to the polination of plants. Species going extinct create either an increase in encroaching species that then take over. No lions means then other predators grow like hyenas etc lack of giraffes reduce seeds dropping which effects critters that eat those foods that then produce better soil circle of life bruh everything is interconnected
Grizzly bears in Wyoming is a weird issue because ecologists want to make sure the populations in Yellowstone and Glacier are connecting. If they're not, then genetic diversity will limit healthy future populations, and if hunting is started before then migration will be limited, so they have to be 100% sure that the populations are connected before hunting is started.
Trophy hunting isn't hunting. It's ego building. I'm a hunter and the first lesson my father taught me is you only shoot what you eat. I shot a sparrow with a BB gun when I was like 10. He made me cook it and eat the thing. One of the best lessons I've had in life.
+Philp Yung Wrong, millions of years of primate evolution, and predator evolution at large, have built in adrenaline and dopaminergic feedback from the thrill of the hunt. You have to have a severe amount of coddling with a tragically sheltered upbringing for that innate instinct to be conditioned out of you. The reality is that most hunters in the first world, even those who use all the animal's meat, do it for the the experience of the hunt itself. We even see this with wolves and certain big cats in the wild, where they'll surplus kill just for the thrill of the hunt, and not eat what they killed.
A great companion piece is the Adam Ruins Everything video on trophy hunting in Africa. It seems counter intuitive, but rich people paying 300K or more to shoot an elephant actually can help preserve elephants as a whole. Same goes for any species. Well, watch Adam explain it.
kevrulz06 Good Samaritan: I'd like to donate 300k to protect the elephants from being poached. Africa: That's very generous, thank you! GS: Oh there's one more thing..... Africa: yeah? GS: I want to kill an elephant.
If they had good intentions they simply would have donated 300k not pay that much to kill. It's just a legal way to fulfill their sick entertainment and trying to justify their deranged behaviour. I am all for killing for food, population management and defence but trophy hunting you'd have to come up with something more valid.
After seeing Joe's other interview about Trophy Hunting and then watching how he led this conversation, it truly illustrates to me how conversation is an art and Joe has the talent.
Just watched a video of this guy who had a pet butterfly. She flew onto him. And hung out with him for about a week. Like he gave the bug chances to fly away but didn’t . Man it stayed with him for a week. Some lady befriended a bee as well. And it was basically the same thing just it couldn’t fly very well. But it hung to the women . Died in a two week time . I love ya joe Rogan. But never doubt this earth. It is capable of things greater than what we as humans comprehend
As a hunter myself not everything I kill I can eat, so what I don’t keep I always donate to some sort of soup kitchen, families in need, and occasionally animal shelters in my area will take it for the animals. I really enjoy using every part of an animal so that I don’t feel like it’s wasted.
Agreed. Even thr hyde or fur i use for fly tying. I always use every part of the animal for something. Theres def alot of ridiculous ppl on here and the comments are so fkn fun lol and retarded lol
Joe forgets that even in Africa, the native tribes often hunted big game for the prestige of it,Shaka Zulu is famous for hunting elephants for instance
I'm vegetarian and I still defend hunting for food in most cases. Trophy hunting, however, baffles the fuck out of me. If these people really cared about animals as much as they say they do, they wouldn't need to kill an animal to give their $150,000 or whatever the price tag is, they'd just donate it.
True, but in reality none of them would do it, no money at all will be received and poachers will wipe the species out. So yeah they may be dicks, but they are the lesser of two evils.
C'mon ppl, if youre a hunter everythings a trophy!!! Ppl need to understand when your "" trophy hunting in dif countrys they give the meat to the tribs for 1 for 2 hunting is the most money making thing out here. You have to pay hundreds of thousands of dollars to go after tigers that are either harrasing tribs and ppl or even elephants like joe said then they give out tags. Except for poachers. Ppl need to do more research on "" trophy hunting!!
I am after the "Super 10" which is one animal from each species category in North America. I eat everything I kill and hunt predators specifically for the population control and more recently to make things out of like mittens etc... When I first started out I had no interest in pursuing a slam of any kind but as I did more and more hunting I started enjoying hunting the different species and would learn about them before the hunt. My appreciation and knowledge of these different species has grown exponentially because of this. I even hunted a Muskox in the arctic (only because I needed one for the slam) and it was the most rewarding cultural experience I ever had not to mention some of the best meat I have ever eaten. I had to negotiate with the village I was hunting out of to get my meat out as they wanted to keep it (they rely on hunters from outside the community to get their meat for them this way) The Africa hunting I personally have had no interest in but I believe in their model of conservation as there has only been two models of conservation world wide that have worked the North American model and the African model. Hunters are a very small portion of the population but a very important part. Its our job to explain to non hunters how things work and what hunting is all about. Most people I talk to are very interested in it and are more curious than against it. We need more people like steve renella out there!
I have a wealthy brother in law that has a room in the gigantic house he lives in with just his wife that's totally filled with trophy heads of shit he killed. We all think he's fucked up.
Maybe...I said we all think he's fucked up, though. old grannies, kids, cousins, spouses...his own spouse included, lol. I'll take a stoner over a guy with fifty dead animals in his den, any day.
In addition to hunting for food people hunted for defense or to remove a threat. If a tiger carries off a little boy, the whole community comes together to prevent it from happening again. Tracking down the problem (competing at the top of the food chain) animal is one way to do that. My thoughts on trophy hunting is that it’s a variation of that natural urge to dominate nature. Not my thing but all hunters united, and like you said to control populations/remove problem animals it’s needed. The motivation behind it is what bother people.
So RU-vid took me on a journey and two plus years later I came across this video and was about to leave a comment… and then I already did. Super weird to read something you wrote but forgot about but totally agree with it. Liked my own comment haha.
Elephants don't just eat crops, when they move through areas as massive herds they often destroy entire ecosystems, especially after the dry seasons where thorn trees start moving in and they usually create like devils gardens. So it's a very difficult situation when dealing with trophy hunting
I'm a hunter and u have a problem with even hunting predators, it just feels wrong. Trophy hunting is at worse even, people that shoot a big cat just to mount it is disgusting to me
I used to feel this way until I read that the money that is charged to trophy hunt has expanded habitat and has raised populations dramatically. This is because they can take many of the young and get them to adulthood before they are prey.
It's nature's job. If humans werent in the picture, the animals would all reach adulthood without any money involved. Sorry but your argument is wrong :/ sadly
@@goodstuff4430 humans are and have also been apart of nature and hunting. hunter are sadly the reason that animals like the american bison almost went extinct but also thankfully the same people are helping raise population humans can manage wildlife in can In more a productive way then nature due to how much land mass that humans control and because of that humans and hunters must be involved and mother nature can't to her full extent
@@goodstuff4430No, in almost all animal species most of the young would normally be killed by predators before reaching adulthood. Thats just the way nature work.
Big Game hunting Africa has had significant benefits not only for animal conservation buy also the local economy. One of my classmates is from southern Africa, his dad is one of the rangers. He told me that for every lion that is hunted they normally try to breed 4 or 5 more. I thought it was a little sketchy at first but my classmate is very adamant about it being helpful.
A myth... As for the trophy hunters' claim that their hunts financially support local communities, research finds that only about 3 percent of the revenue from trophy hunting fees actually trickles down to the community level. Where does the other 97 percent go? Certainly not to conservation efforts, as trophy hunters might have you think. The overwhelming majority of the revenue goes to administration costs, government agencies, firms, and various other national or international stakeholders, and even to corrupt government officials... Trophy hunting does not benefit wildlife conservation. Hunting proponents often claim the money generated through hunting fees goes towards funding wildlife conservation agencies, and that hunters can help control wildlife populations by removing problem or redundant individuals. However, little of the money generated through trophy hunting goes back into conservation. Rather than targeting problem or redundant animals, trophy hunters tend to covet animals with particular traits which make them good trophies.
@@NubiansNapata source?? i would like to see where the evidence of the corrupt government officials because helping with conservation efforts is an integral part of the business because no more animals means no more hunting and no more hunting means no more money it's simple logic to follow and by nature most of those particular trait animal tend to be older animal that are more problematic. like the older the deer the bigger the antlers
I've been on Kenyan safari in Samburu and our guide complained constantly about the damage the elephants were doing. What struck me was the amount of life. Trophy hunting there would be like walking into a farm and shooting a cow then claiming it was hunting.
I don’t think hippos are one of the big 5. I think it’s Cape buffalo. But I’m just going off what I know from playing Cabela’s Big Game Hunter. I could be wrong 😂😂😂
I'd highly recommend that you do more research into poachers. Yes you do get the opportunist. But there's also full on operations run by ex military personal. I've read a couple of stories in papers about poachers coming in with helicopters. There's a lot of money in the game
I feel like trophy hunting emerged when agricultural communities wanted wolves, bears, lions and such to stop killing livestock. Either the farmers would kill them or hunters would come in and do it. It stands to reason that within this group of hunters, killing a bigger animal became a point of pride and bam, trophy hunting is born.
What does it say about society and our leadership when the guy with the most thoughtful, nuanced opinion on how complicated the truth about a divisive topic is, is a pothead on RU-vid?
POACHERS are SOOOO much worse than paying hunters. However, Joe is right, MANY poachers are starving locals. MAYBE, if the US and China didn’t have giant corporations raping and pillaging TF out of many parts of Africa, the situation wouldn’t be so desperate. Also, if their national governments were not so bought and paid for by these companies, the wealth just might make its way to the people and they wouldn’t have to hunt endangered species to the point of extinction I have heard the justification for killing elephants and lions before. It’s mostly BS. Sure, NOBODY wants an elephant or a lion stomping or hunting in their village. However, for the most part, hear animals try to stay away from human civilization. How TF does trophy hunting keep these animals healthy? In fact, hunters killthw PRIME specimens, with elephants his has lead to baby elephants with MUCH SMALLER or NO tusks.
How the fuck does Joe not know what the Big 5 are? Being a hunter and all? I know he only hunts for meat and such. Deer, Elk, etc. African Big 5: Elephant. Lion. Cape Buffalo. Rhino. Leopard. Some folk will extend that the Big 7 which are the Big 5 plus Hippo and Crocs.
Im not about hunting big cats or elephants. Come on man. Hunting Cheetahs and Leopards and Lions? GTFO. Deer, turkey, duck, alligator in certain circumstances, etc. Fine. But Big Cats especially, that sucks.
With big game trophy hunting, I think a major problem people have with it is the pictures the hunters take with their kill. Especially the young hot chicks. Posing high and mighty like they won a hand to hand death match with their slayed beast.
Grand Slam hunting is nothing more than the ability to take the same type of animal in different States or terrain and structure. Which challenges a hunter because they are out of their usual environment/ element. Joe claims to be a hunter so he should already know that . And he should know it requires a hunter to buy licenses and or tags in multiple states which pays for game management of game and non game species in each of those states. Joe with all respect maybe that weed your smoking is starting to take its toll on your Great mind? Lol You still are the best interviewed I have ever heard. Hope that don't go next..lmo ;)
Ralph C at some point it becomes ridiculous. A Grand Slam is a form of trophy hunting. You are trying to get “one of each kind.” Now you’re not just controlling populations, you’re trying to collect a set, like trading cards. And for what? Does it make your dick bigger? Is your wife going to love you because you tagged a rare bighorn? What the hell is the point? Just to kill something majestic? I swear to god some hunters are sick in the head. They hunt purely for the blood lust. We’re not cavemen anymore you stupid inbreds.
Yea but no one asks any questions when going to a restaurant and ordering a steak or going to the store to buy meat. That's of course totally alright isn't it? More animals are killed in slaughter Houses than through hunting. Just saying. If anything slaughter houses massacre animals for real.
Hunt for food all you like, I eat meat and I get it. I'm not stupid, the meat on your plate gets there because someone or something killed it. That's reality and I accept it. Hating on people that hunt and kill animals for food is hypocritical and dumb if you're a meat eater. Trophy hunting though? There's no need.
The only way that animals are going to thrive in these poor areas is if they are worth something while they’re alive. Sure when they are dead there is the hide, fur, horns, meat, bones, teeth, fat and so many more useful resources that people in desperation will need to use to survive, but if some rich ceo and his son want to go and hunt this animal and pay $10,000 to do so, that one animal instantly becomes so much more useful. Sure they aren’t directly getting the resources from it, but those funds are enough for food and shelter and clean water and other basic human essentials. Those funds make it worth it to keep these animals alive, thriving and healthy because if nobody payed to hunt these, what other reason is there to keep them alive when they could just kill them for their harvestable resources.
Anyone that thinks trophy hunting is bad needs to watch the Louis Theroux documentary in South Africa. There’s a specific seen where the owner lost his shit and then explained calmly the reasons why it works. Really resonated with me.
Most of trophy hunting costs so much money it's one of the few reason African countries have sustainable lifestyle. Plus it gets money in their pocket to defend poachers, food, and vaccines. The people that know nothing about hunting but have the loudest voice
