I’m so glad these weirdos have someone to call. Although Shatner is far better at being a real human. I’m sure Henry would bore the fucking shit out of me, but that’s my fault not his.
@@john-paulsilke893 Total opposite, as I am another extrovert, Shatner would come across as a total dick to me. He and I would be one upping one another, and hey, William Shatner, he would always win. Total dick. Henry Rollins would be on my bucket list, has a million stories, would never be confrontational, I'd be asking questions to lead into stories, and he would be an amazing person to just listen to and learn from. And probably why he and Shatner are great friends.I can see where they would compliment one another epically.
Perry Parsons don’t get me wrong. I have paid to see Henry do his spoken word five times. Once back to back to see if there was any difference. (Not one single word which in its own way is amazing in its perfection because he even stumbled over his phrases in exactly the same way, it was God damned beautiful and worth paying twice for the exact same show!) when Henry is on the knob is broken off and thrown in the river but he’s a super chill and quiet guy who reads voraciously and locks himself up inside his head. It’s important but from outside it’s mind numbly painful because you simply can’t enter, and if you can you suddenly realize you have nothing to add because he has already contemplated everything you might say. Perhaps you are deeper and could bro out and have amazing conversations but that is one very deep man.... Or it’s all an act and he’s just as dumb as the rest of us but in a different way!?!
I actually emailed Henry in a point of desperation when my music stuff was starting to take off (it later crashed and burned and I'm flying a desk now) and seeing what he thought I should do. He got back to me in about two hours and gave some solid advice despite me asking dumbass kid questions. Very respectful and insightful and I'll thank him if I ever meet him.
I don’t understand the fact that he’s ok to stand up and perform in front of a lot of people but being among them and not performing is terrifying. I would rather run a mile than do either.
I met Henry at a party in Chicago after he left Back Flag. He was the most intense person I had ever met up to that point. It's like the intensity of a career criminal that channeled the energy into something positive instead of something negative.
Might be, but doubt it. Introverts just are not comfortable around a group of people, can perform whatever their talent is for millions and totally get off on it, but for some reason feel they are being constantly judged and found wanting, when in small intimate groups. It is wearing and exhausting for them. I work with one, and if he is giving a presentation, can own the room for the entire presentation, as it is all about his world, his expertise, and can fearlessly answer all questions, no matter how harsh or critical they might be. The coffee break will break him, trying to make small talk is just exhausting for him.
@@perryparsons9960 I'm like the guy you work with. I used to give presentations and do training for groups of up to 100 staff at work. Get up there and I can go on and keep their attention for an hour or more. Get me at a dinner party, and people think I'm a weird quiet guy. People exhaust me.
I think I kind of get it. He doesn't want to intrude. Now that he's famous, it's doubly hard to tell if they're being sincere when they invite him to any given social event, not that he feels like he's missing out on any; dude knows he can pretty much just show up and be 'The Famous Guy' in any number shallow, meaningless parties filled with people who don't really want to be there either, but feel like they have to play the game of High Society against each other. Either that or Henry Rollins is a cat. Not totally sure which it is.
@@GamingHelp He's acted in a few major movies (one being 'HEAT', another being 'Johnny Mnemonic') as a side character and was the lead singer for a band called Black Flag. He has done tours around the world and just walked around the city he was in with a backpack and water. He's a really interesting guy. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry_Rollins#Music_career
This interview almost made me cry... what a delightful, sensitive soul. I love that Bill has embraced Henry and that he has such a great, valued friendship with Bill.
Henry is just an introvert like myself. Some people prefer their own company and have never had the urge for a familiy or a busy social life. Love the guy.
You have the internet so there’s that. Very excellent times we live in. Insanely interesting and amazing contributors like Cavendish we next level weirdo introverts and changed the world and made it better. I’m a nervous weirdo that people tend to hate or absolutely love so obviously I’m at an advantage. I talk too much and reveal insane shit about myself when speaking so it’s not bad since I’m actually stage frightened and can get along. (Secret introvert without most of the disadvantages.)
You have no idea what you're talking about OhighOSkater. Henry Garfield is a complete phony. Do your homework..P.S. He has become quite the name dropper... Fake as a 9 dollar bill.
Such an endearing piece. As a loner, it is so easy to understand how content one can be without company. No expectations, no let downs or pressure to socialize. I have always been a fan but I have a deeper respect now for Mr. Rollins. Cheers and thank you Henry for stepping out of your comfort zone to sit with Joe.
I’ve never purchased any music by Henry Rollins but I can identify completely with him. I have no urge to go to peoples houses for dinner, hanging out, my phone rarely rings, I don’t have kids, never married. Rollins put it perfectly. “I’m just not chipped that way”
Shatner IS one of the nicest people on the planet. I’m not his friend or anything, but I did meet him briefly 3 years ago at a special screening of “Wrath of Khan”. For the brief time we spoke, he was warm, humble, funny… really made you feel like you were the most important person in the room. I hope the guy lives forever.
I've never gone into depth with Rollins work, but I'm a fan of him... just him. I love his passion, his honesty, his openness. I've learnt so much about myself from his self deprecation. He really makes you stop and think about your own life and personality. The best unintentional self help guru of this century.
He pissed in a urinal next to me at the Uptown Lounge in Athens. I looked over at him and said, "do a good show man". That was the most embarrassing moment of my life in retrospect.
I would be honored to be friends with Henry Rollins! Met him once after a show & he was so awesome to his fans. It was miserably cold outside and I patiently waited for over an hour, until everyone else had their opportunity to meet him, because I wanted to ask him about a passage in one of his books, and after we talked, I thanked him for staying out in the cold for so long, and he said "If someone is willing to stand outside in the cold just to meet me or get something signed, of course I gonna do it." I may not have quoted that verbatim but that was the gist. I realise that it's not always convenient for celebrities to hang out with their fans, but He went above and beyond to make every fan feel like they were appreciated. Nothing but respect for Henry.
the reason stagefright isn't a problem is because you have an act, a script you know what you're supposed to be doing for your audience. when you're just hanging out with new people you've never met you start over-thinking how to act natural and it just gets worse and worse.
I Never realised he had such acute social anxiety, he’s such an interesting guy and would have one of him over a million of those wide eyed talentless clones in the charts. This guys knows the truth, he’s seen it. And Joe is really carving this out as in incredible show to keep coming back to with interesting people and genuine exchanges of opinions. not just that he asks real questions and sometimes they are uncomfortable ones but he’s always nice about it, another really incredible and interesting guy
Henry is classic! When I was much younger, in my mid twenties (58 now) a good friend would write Henry Rollins, like fan mail. He wrote about depression he was experiencing and Henry actually took time out of his day and wrote him back every time! Not an assistant, or a press company...Henry wrote him back. Deep respect for his art and his down to earthness, along with his respect for his fans. I can't say I've ever heard of anyone else doing this.
Henry Rollins has always been one of my favorite artists because of his persona in real life. He's so real and honest. His work ethic is insane and his graciousness is legendary
My greatest personal insight (I haven't had many)in life is that not only is it OK to have flaws it is, in an odd way, the part about us that makes us relatable and likable.
Henry is such an original guy, really genuine, and authentic. He doesn't try to be what he's not, and I love that about him. I know exactly how he feels about friendship. BTW that album he did with WS was epic!! So well done and hilarious at the same time.
It's so crazy to hear this coming from Henry Rollins. Most of my life he is someone that I have always thought of as a tough as nails, confident man who doesn't care what others think of him. To see how timid he is, and how much he is afraid of what others think of him. And to see how he is affected by social anxiety just like everyone else. This is exactly why I love Joe Rogans show. You see just how real and amazing everyone is!
@@MarkJones-ji8fd Isn't CBT for disorders? Why would you want to change someones personality traits? Forcing an introvert to just socialize with others more is like forcing an extrovert to just chill out and be alone more.
Oh my God when he talked about approaching William Shatners house and hearing people laughing and having a good time and freezing with fear I felt that way too much. I'm a therapist I talk to people and help them figure out their problems for a living, facilitating groups of 15 strangers in a psychiatric ward. I am completely comfortable and alive doing that, but put me in a get together full of strangers and its unbearable.
"If you could pick one person to fight, who would it be?" "William Shatner. I'd fight William Shatner." "If you could pick one person to be friends with, who would it be?" "William Shatner. I'd be friends with William Shatner."
"it's easy for me to be in front of people, that's a very different thing than being with people". I knew I liked Henry Rollins WAY before this, but that summed up things for me in so many ways. I so would love to meet that man some day.
I met Shatner in Greenbriar mall in Chesapeake, VA, he was hammered. He asked me and my friend if "I saw Gina Davis, you know, the generic Julia Roberts." Turned around and stumbled away. LOL
Brett McIntyre I live in Chesapeake. Work right down the street from Greenbriar Mall. When was he here? I would have loved to have met him. Captain Kirk was my hero growing up. My sons middle name is Tiberius
It's great to hear a fellow introvert express those things. Henry does it VERY well, and the *total* disconnect so obvious on Joe's face and in his questions is something introverts experience ALL THE TIME. My wife is an extreme extrovert, and while we love each other, we will never understand one another. Social situations energize and refuel her. They exhaust me. She's *genuinely* interested in the lives of others. I couldn't care less about that, and I cannot for the life of me understand why anyone would be interested in me. Your kids play t-ball? Ok. Fine. I like the color blue. Did we just have fun? My enjoyment is inversely proportional to the number of people near me. But I'm never lonely. Thanks Henry for providing a peek into the mind of an intelligent, thoughtful, determined introvert!
As an only child and an introvert with a strong personality, I totally respect how henry is. Infact I admire him for keeping his him time, and be an admired public figure for his work. Good stuff
His spoken word tells his stories way better. Each show is 3 hours but lots of clips. I have seen him live in both. And he has around 20 books & been in more than that many movies & tv shows. Spoken word 2012 & big day out tour. You wont run out of stuff to watch. & As for music... Look up songs as official music video on you tube- Starve, illumination, liar, disconnect, low self opinion, War.
I didn't know much about Henry outside Black Flag, but this segment taught me a lot about his character and respect for other humans. Solid dude and very thoughtful
Rollins is a socially awkward individual that doesn’t like hanging out with groups of people...which is fine since many people are like that. I used to really like his music from when he was part of Black Flag and the other bands over the years. As an actor I really like him also. He played “Cain” in the movie called He Never Died, a small Indy film that wasn’t seen by many people unfortunately. That said it was an entertaining movie and he did a good job in it.
Yeah, he's always a great a musician and actor. Hearing him talk about his life, I can appreciate how talented he is. His friendship with William Shatner blows my mind :D
Very cool. I’ve always liked you Joe, Henry too. This is funny, he has said exactly two words to me as a fan spaced out over ten years. Years ago Rollin’s Band was in town so I went. First band was playing and I went straight to the bar in this big open rectangular club. The bar and bathrooms were at one end and the stage at the other. Got my beer and started to walk towards the stage. It just so happened that someone coming out of the bathroom was kind of paralleling me. We were walking even. Went about half way and stopped. I thought to myself either that’s Henry’s number one fan or that’s Henry Rollins. I’d read his books and knew how he was a bit. Nobody else noticed him, he was checking out the opener and the sound. I stopped even with him and wanted to say something but not really bother him and be respectful. I slowly side stepped nearer and nearer. I stared at the stage and finally leaned in and said “ how’s it going?” Without even turning his head he said “good.” I slowly side stepped back to my original position. He finally got noticed, people trying to talk to him. He got an uncomfortable look on his face and went backstage. That was one word. Ten years later I saw him on a spoken word tour and caught him outside after the show. He was actually talking to people so I thought I’d give it a try. I had written down two of my favorite books on a piece of paper to give to him. Rogue Warrior by Richard Marcinko who started team 6 and Boyd the man who perfected the art of war. Two excellent books that I highly recommend. I walked up to him and gave him the paper saying I have a couple of good books for you to check out. “Yeah?” He said. That was word Two, two words over ten years. Ha, ha! Peace, Phil
I love Henry Rollins... Wish I could meet him someday. No matter what he does or who he speaks with he is always interesting, heartfelt and strong. Big Fan... Good show Joe; I suspect you see and feel the same way which is why you have him on. I smiled and contemplated his careful and thorough description of the woes he has experienced... Tell Shatner he's awesome too please!
I wish I had him as a mentor when I was younger. I can completely understand the social anxiety, 100%. And as a kid, when ever asked "what do you want to do when you get older" I'd answer a singer. Love music. That said, wild horses couldn't get me in front of a crowd. Way to scared I'd sound like crap, forget words etc. Pretty much the same feelings when being social. If I didn't have to work, I probably wouldn't leave the house.......And now i'm 46 with a failing body from work. Not only missed my boat, I watched sail away. 😥
Dude I love your show for a long time. Too many great interviews and conversations to name but this one-I’m having a hard time not making this number one. Ed Rollins opened up to you for fourteen minutes in such a real raw articulate way that I’m about to watch it again. I listen to talk radio on my ride into work and spend half my time yelling at the radio “shut up and let him talk!” You can see why most get into radio because love hearing themselves talk. The host interviewer should ask the right questions and interject his personality and humor sparingly and disarm the guest and make them comfortable enough to talk. Your “talk” with Ed was a great example of that . So great job. Rollins was awesome
I can relate totally. I have the same phobias at 72. My new adapted family (4yrs) has helped me to push past it. Its still my natural default ‘go to place’ though and i have to make a conscious effort.
I can appreciate what Henry Rollins is say. When you're in front of people it's a performance, you're kind of portraying a character even if the character is an idealized version of yourself. It's much different than the give and take of interaction.
So far as I only started watching Rogan for a few months , it is a great show. Unlike every other interview show the guest actually gets to drive the direction of the conversation. As well Mr Rogan allows his guests to actually talk. Have to watch this full interview. Aware of Henry Rollins more by his stature as a punk icon. Know a few of his tunes, but the guy is fun to listen to.
I feel that pressure he is talking about. It is such a grind to be a musician or content creator. This has been such an amazing podcast! This is why I started my own channel! Joe is the goat!
Thank you Joe for pointing out that hearing Henry Rollins talk about social anxiety really helps people like me. I go through everything that Henry was talking about on daily basis.and thank you Mr. Rollins for being a bad ass
