@@Itzdonnaduhhh I couldn't take Suboxone at all! I started taking Kratom as soon as I got the Suboxone out of my system! I started Kratom about 4 days after my last Suboxone dose!! Start with red vein Bali!
Marisa Lobue me too!! I’m still on it and my pain is manageable, after getting off of over 600 mg’s of morphine and klonopin a day. I started taking Kratom as soon as I felt withdrawal symptoms and it wasn’t even half of half as bad as opiate withdrawals. It saved my life, for sure!
I took 10 pills once and had the most euphoric feeling for an hour I loved everyone and had no bad feelings about anything at all then I barfed in the Starbucks bathroom.
You might’ve just barfed from swallowing too many pills. They big capsules don’t go down so good.. they always fuck up my throat and sometimes I start gagging almost puking if I take a lot... try taking maybe 3 or 4, 1 by 1.. then wait 30 mins and take a few more
Kratom is saving lives everyday.... that is undeniable ... you only got that high because you have no opiod tolerance... for people kicking opiods it can be a godsend
But the way you described it makes it sound just like an opioid which is just a drug that helps pain. So cool they aren't in pain but just on a different drug... That is also just as addictive as the thing it's trying to substitute. Little redundant don't you think?
Tyler Cafe its nowhere near as addictive as opiod synthetics... they can use kratom as a bridge to step themselves down to eventual sobriety.....while mitigating withdrawals
@@tylercafe1260 True but it's a hell of a lot better than being on heroine or oxycontin, and much better than being on methadone or suboxone which is currently used to treat those addictions. No doubt though it's a crutch.
Kratom is the ONLY REASON I was able to quit IV heroin (6 years of heavy use, I NEVER EVER EVER thought I'd be able to quit!!) I have 16 months now!! 🥰❤
I got clean for 6months (first time clean in 15yrs ) then relapsed. In rehab I was put on suboxone and 6yrs later still on it. I function in society and life is better now but want off the stuff.how do I get this kratom stuff before the government steps in a screws it all up?
I would rather go to a party and drink 1 kratom, save the calories of many drinks and be able to drive my car home than drink alcohol and pass out in my friends bathroom😂
Kratom is the only thing that helps with my depression. Like from not wanting to get out of bed to going to work in 15 mins. 30 years of "antidepressants"
@p dizzle We're all dependant on something in our modern first world country lives. I'd rather be dependant on 5 grams of kratom every other day and coffee then heroin or antidepressants. Kratom is so much easier to ween off of. Buy cheap as hell stem and vein mixes, take a couple scoops if you're feeling shitty. Stem and vein will stop withdrawal but not make you feel like you need to take more. I would say I am dependant on kratom, but the worst that happens when I don't is I get anxious. Much better than curling into a ball and crying wanting to die from withdrawing from zoloft or xanax.
@Dinglegoyyy Go Hm, sage advice there I heard from the same old anti-marijuana bullshit from probation officers that didn't know fuck all of what they're talking about. What do you enjoy? And I'll apply the same bullshit insular superiority-complex based crapola you just spewed in a wall of text. If it works for you it works for me. Why aren't you in the woods then, O' Sage? Why are you here trying to feel superior? Because lets be real, that's exactly what your doing. It's psychologically obvious. If you didn't feel superior you wouldn't feel the need to project "who is happier and who is really not" onto me. You also seem to not realize, in your failure of a psycho-reading, that I don't give a fuck what you think you're superior at or with. Your words mean very little other than for a decent laugh as you pretend to be the life wizard. Gotta love that "key to happiness" projection. Didn't realize happiness was a measurable amount. Whats the scientific term for measurement of "happiness per square inch in the brain?" You don't get to decide who is "most happy" based on your own conceptions. That just makes you the self-righteous one. I do what I want because i want to do it. I don't need to make excuses nor give them to you of all people. RU-vid comment therapist LOL where'd' you get your degree?
@Dinglegoyyy Go Yeah, coping while being honest lol yeah, I like to be high. And kratom helps people. I just like it. Helps not be anxious, and because I have insomnia. I obviously can pay my own fuckin bills. Why do you care so much about me despite the opposite on my end? You keep responding so only fair that I do. You seem to think you're "helping" in some odd way. When I think you're just being a dick cause you like to lol What are you a scientologist? "Drug taker bad!" You're awful concerned for....whatever reason. I hope you don't drink alcohol or do anythign other than eat food. Even though you're on the internet. You cannot deny that you have your own addictions to. If you really believed that, then you wouldn't be here. And you're just trying to cope with the fact that you're acting like a douchebag in the guise of a person who cares lol your attitude is contradictory. Because you like to feel better. That's a sign of insecurity. We can play the psycho read game. I just like to argue lol if you wanna argue for real we can do that discord.gg/367GuycK you got a microphone? I think it would make a good video to watch you act like a smug asshole XD
@Dinglegoyyy Go Are you a pharmaceutical shill? What reason do you have to dislike kratom? Seems really out of left field. People who smoke weed do it all the time, and that's not coping? That doesn't make much sense and is pretty contradictory. Hope you don't smoke, cause that'd make you a hypocrite. I get it, "kratom is opiate!" standpoint. When you fail to understand others perspectives. Because you're insular. And you didn't deny that.
Kratom saved me from a life filled with depression and ptsd. At 23 years old, I watched my dad kill himself. The horror you go through when something like that happens is unimaginable. Before this happened, I didn't even believe in PTSD that's how stupid I was. This plant helps tremendously with that. I honestly don't know if I would even be here right now if it wasn't for kratom. I truly think it would have been all to much, or I would be on the street addicted to alcohol with nothing, no family, no wallet no phone. NOTHING
Definitely wish ignorant ppl like you would reincarnate as an individual who struggles with addiction. U just may. Then, it would be interesting to see if you made such comments
Phillip Cheese its a temporary replacement to detox off of heroin vikes percs ect..... And then it gives you the power of weening off with mild withdrawals if any.
I was addicted to opiates for over a year. Never bought them from the street, my dr prescribed them to me. After wanting to get off them, I did Suboxone for two weeks. I weaned off of that and tried Kratom. It has stopped my cravings, given me energy for the day and makes me feel relaxed. I am now officially two weeks clean from opiates. I will never look back! Kratom saved my life.
@@jasonday8334 My man. I'm likewise Stepping down Kratom right now...... I'm not particularly afraid of the withdrawal because I've been through opiate and benzo withdrawal. I know it'll be nothing by comparison. But how far along are you now? How many caps do you take a day now?
@@jasonday8334 Man, 4oz a day is quite insane. Not to mention expensive. You honestly don’t benefit from taking any more than a moderate 4-6 gram dose a few times a day. Most of it’s being wasted, especially since that’s a hard amount to digest in a day.
Kratom helps my back, knees, and my foot from the military. It also helps me mentally. Makes me level out, be a better boyfriend and father to my kids where I’d actually really just want to be alone and do nothing
@@odeefromdawic that’s the plan dude. We’ve been through a lot together all the way back to when we were dating in the military. Her barracks room was the building across from me, her room directly in front
This comment. This fucking comment right here. This is why I’m turning to Kratom. My body is in constant pain. I’m a husband and a father. I’m also a postal carrier and have been working forced overtime for the last 3 years. When the pain is so bad that you can’t sleep it means you can’t heal. Do that for a long enough time and you wind up making your wife a widow and your children resent you for leaving them. I do what I do so I can provide. But providing isn’t enough if all my family gets from me when I’m home is anger, lethargy, depression, and a broken man. Guys, look….most of us were taught to shut down emotionally or ignore pain or bury our feelings. That will literally turn us into the monsters we feared growing up. This isn’t about being weak. It’s about being strong enough to get help so you can be the dad your kids deserve. Be the husband your wife fell in love with. Be the friend that others looked up to when we were all young. Bravery isn’t not being afraid. It’s moving forward even when you’re terrified. Strength isn’t ignoring your pain. It’s acknowledging it, accepting it for what it is, and moving to overcome it. Guys, we got this. We really do. But only if we don’t try to lie to ourselves. That story always ends the same way and it’s an early grave.
My favorite thing is when Joe knows something about something because he heard it from this one guy and then he talks like he knows what he's talking about.
Taking kratom every day they have done for a long time. Have been sick the last few days too so have taken a little extra it has worked well so far. Feeling shit weird type who yes drank 20 cups of coffee completely shaky and uncomfortable feeling in the chest. What should I do, this is dangerous. Do they happen if you take them when you are sick. Know that you should not drink alcohol with viruses in the body. Can they harm anything if you take kratom sick? So they do not go to heart well? Today they were like this, I did not feel the usual feeling I usually get. So thought it was tolerance took more and more. Now I am shaken completely overstimulated, they feel like in a negative way. Like a caffeine overdose.
It only sounds excessive because the capsules that kratom are sold in only hold a half gram so 10 pills equals 5 grams which is actually a very common low-medium dose for most people.
I use Kratom as a tool to focus when I'm trying to make music, or as a stimulant for when I'm going to a social gathering. I also sometimes have some in my protein shake after a workout when it's a nice day so when I'm walking home I can take in my surroundings better. Like most people here are saying, it's really not as bad as Joe is making it out to be. I think it's largely misunderstood as just another drug to get you fucked up, but I see it as more of a natural medication for depression and addiction. It's a miracle plant and I love it ❤️
This is ridiculous. I use kratom every day and I’m VERY healthy and live an active lifestyle. I work full time and have two degrees. I’m a PERFECT example of someone who can use kratom safely. Please don’t bad mouth kratom. There’s millions of ppl who use it SAFELY and RESPONSIBLY every day.
Brian Christopher I was addicted to alcohol and benzos and morphine for years, and I took Kratom to ween off the dopesickness, and now I’m 1 year sober from everything except marijuana, coffee, and Kratom. No it’s not “sober” but I’m fairly certain I’m on a better road than the latter. However, Kratom gets you slumped I mean I’ve “nodded” off this stuff. It effects people siffferently as do all drugs but I take usually 20. And I’m perfectly fine?
Hold This L If you’re taking 20 pills that’s how you got a nod, Kratom definitely gives you a nice buzz but i wouldn’t describe it as feeling “fucked up”
@@OLDMANWAFFLES yup, just like theres people who use heroin, and other opiates and function just fine. Its a fucking stimulate of course your going to function fine, if not better. Be truthfull to yourself
As someone who's in chronic pain all the time, I'm disappointed in Joe. That feeling he got only happens the first few times, and it's not nearly as pronounced as marijuana one bit. I take Kratom and proud of it. Be careful not to abuse it. Taking ten isn't even technically abusing it. Shit man take ten tylenol and see how you come out. You'll overdose and need your stomach pumped.
I completely agree. I have used it for three years now to manage chronic neck and back pain as an alternative to my prescription opioids. Kratom has never gotten me “high” or intoxicated unless I took far too much. I had even tried it before being prescribed pain pills and It made me feel good but not fucked up. I really hate this video. This shit is why people think kratom is just “legal heroin”.
Agreed here. Mostly. I'd rather take a proper prescription pill like oxycontin. For me, it's more effective and less likely to cause euphoria. However, with the 'opioid crisis' that the doctors created in the first place it's impossible to get. Kratom is literally the only reason I'm alive.
Pennsyltucky Counter Terrorism cbd/cbg/thc used with kratom works great for pain if kratom isn’t enough at times. Depends on the type of pain and the person though I suppose.
@@doomhead4203 i haven't tried cbg. For myself cbd has no effect and thc usually makes it worse strangely. I've found some new herbals to try like akuamma. I'm excited to try them alone and in combination.
Kratom genuinely saved my life at the height of my Lyme pain. However I did get addicted for a while. Thankfully I quit back in December when my pain finally subsided a bit and didn't even have withdrawals even after a 2 year addiction.
I had withdrawals but I've used it only when I needed it I got to a point where I was abusing it and that was really on me but it's not like it was that hard to get over it was 2 days of sweats and chill
My old manager was addicted to all sorts of drugs and pills and the only thing that keeps him off that stuff is Kratom. I've never tried it but I'm glad that it can help people off of worse things.
Kratom just like with any other substance can become addictive if abused, but my wife works with heroin/opiate addicts and she has seen so many people overcome addiction with kratom it’s really an amazing thing
I tried it for my first time today,I feel amazing. Ive heard good things and bad things about it but I think I've found something good. I have major depressive disorder my anxiety is gone I'm in such a good mood
If you are physically active, kratom keeps you going strong. If you are sedentary, kratom enhances relaxation. You'll probably want to sleep. Use it before exercise, but NOT before a long car drive.
@@jonhowerton2537 i swear i got high of it but its not like a weed or a drunk feeling so i get where ur saying its not a high but i really felt some type of high
I’m 4 weeks off of Kratom, and can tell you that the withdrawals are absolutely nowhere near as bad as opiates. I weened myself off, but I would equate it more to a nicotine withdrawal than a oxy withdrawal. My worst symptom was getting the “jimmy legs” before I woke up in the morning. Plus, I sneezed a lot. But compared to suboxone, the withdrawal was nothing.
@@DNYLNY have you every experienced heroin,benzo or alcohol withdrawal. The alcohol and the benzo withdrawal you can actually die from. I'm not saying kratom withdrawal is nothing but comparatively it's a mild withdrawal.
Been using it for 5 years. Stepping down right now. So far the withdrawals are annoying but tolerable. How long were you tired after kratom was no longer in your system ?
It does give you a "HIGH" but it's different... it's a powerful experience for sure, a very positive one! By the way, there's a big difference between the farm grown Kratom and the wild harvested Kratom. I get my Kratom from Borneo Energy, it comes from the jungle of Borneo in Indonesia. From my experience this is the best quality and best price Kratom in the world.
I got a bag of the Borneo energy green when I was in Bali, I guess that's where it's made. I don't have much experience with kratom, but is borneo energy really the best? Is it pure and reliable compared to other brands/vendors?
@@ncyrider16 Kratom does not grow in Bali but it grows in Borneo, and Borneo Energy is the only local community that collects and produces wild grown kratom, that is by far the best one available, totally on it´s own level compared to all of those farmed kratoms.
Maeng Da Man myself...I have tried Meang Da, Bali, Indo, Thai, Malay and Borneo......I stick with Maeng Da......Invigorating.....No High...In my experience...As long as its handled correctly and preserved and fresh...Can easily go stale, like Coffee......
The people saying Kratom doesn’t “work” are the ones trying to get high off of it. Stop. Take it if you need to wean off hardcore opiates, or have anxiety issues. Stop expecting to get high and then get angry/disappointed that you wasted money
tony stanze Exactly brother. Ppl try to compare many drugs when a lot of them get you high just in different ways. Trying to compare Opiates and LSD/DMT is like comparing apples to Oranges.
You have to take SO MUCH Kratom to get high, you usually puke. Joe..."it gets you high"... Proceeds to smoke blunt after blunt. Any serious responsible Kratom user doesn't take pill form. Raw leaf only please.
Yep 3 tsp. every 6 hours. The pill form just coagulates in your stomach and gives no effect at all. (Edit: I originally said tablespoon but I take 3 teaspoons 😁😂🤣)
You only have to take "SO MUCH" kratom to get high if you take it every day. Also unlike a lot of kratom users I don't hear joe saying "weed doesn't get you high"...
Kratom helped me get off of extremely dangerous drugs but it is extremely addictive. Mentally and physically. Just because it can’t kill you doesn’t mean it isn’t harmful for you.
more or less what matters most is each owns reasoning why and when they take a certain substance. that can either improve their lives or bring them lower
I used Kratom for years and ended up addicted to it. I thought of it as the devil that had control over me. Then around a year ago I started using fentanyl, I switched back to Kratom 8 days ago and have a new found respect for the plant. In the last year I've overdosed 6 times 2 of which were near fatal. I overdosed on my porch at 5 am and a friend just so happened to be having trouble sleeping and for some unknown reason decided to go for a walk with narcan in his backpack. He walked past my house and found me unconscious and turning blue. No one can tell me this wasn't some kind of Devine intervention. That was the last hit of Fetty I shot.
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@@snø_music0 from what I understand, it doesn't have effects on opioid users, but it saves them from withdrawal symptoms. From my experience, Rogan is right. For me, it's like coffee but with less of the jitters
@@snø_music0 Addicts use it to taper off while also experiencing as little withdrawal as possible. The point is not to get high. If they're getting high, they're taking more than they need to taper.
Which only releases the mitragynine.... they dry the leaves here and grind them into a powder.... the drying process produces 7 hydroxymitragynine which is different
Kratom saved my life. I was trying to get off heroin by buying suboxone tabs off the street. I had moved away and my source screwed me. The withdrawal from suboxone was worse than heroin. I didn't sleep besides micro naps over the course of 5 days. I found out about Kratom and was able to find a place that sold it. I took 4 grams of kratom with water and all of my symptoms went away within 10 minutes. My vision wasn't blurry, body pain went away, suicidal thoughts diminished, resting heart rate went from 140 to 100.
Pasquale Boris anytime I take a high dose it does the opposite of what I want. Cold sweats and skin irritability. I’ve treated myself for over a year and it’s a beautiful plant. I hate seeing joe act like it’s something it’s not.
@Pasquale Boris So that's why the government wants to ban it. So that the pharmaceutical companies can keep people on painkillers,methadone, and suboxone. Unbelievable.
In Malaysia, we call it ketum, some people here that used it for traditional medicine, boil the leaves and drink it like a tea it's good for pain relief, sore muscles, diabetes, etc. And some people that want to get the "kick"/high from the plant here used to boil the leaves and mix it with cough syrup or strong carbonate drink like coca cola, pepsi or mountain dew.
Kratom took away my severe narcotic medication withdrawals (restless leg syndrome, depression, anxiety, despair, hot and cold flashes, sleeplessness, etc) for 2-3 hours per dose. I would take up to 15 capsules at a time during the worse times. I have never had Kratom withdrawal. I can attest that Kratom was a lifesaver for me! It has never made me high, only feeling "normal". I always used Red Vein Bali.
after you took your 15 pills , how long till it kicked it so your withdrawals can stop ? heard red bali/md is best for withdrawals fam any tips would help
When you have an opiate addiction kratom does NOT get you high. If you dont have an opiate dependency it can get you high but JR has never done smack so....
Let me tell you from very first hand experience, kratom withdrawal is real. I'm currently on day 4 and the last 3 nights I've had about a total of 6 hours sleep, total. The shivers, diarrhea, insomnia, RLS it's all very real. Be cautious taking this stuff as you can quickly get hooked
My knees and back are wrecked from years of doing concrete and they had me on pain therapy fucking morphine patches and OC.....buddy of mine told me about Kratom and I've been taking for 2 years now and haven't touched any opioids since...... It isn't a cure all for chronic pain but it definitely takes the edge off and it's allowed me to keep working physically demanding jobs
@@johnavina7220 normally just a tablespoon with some orange or grapefruit juice and on bad mornings when the temperature drops here I'll take a tablespoon and a half Sometimes I take 2 tablespoons but it tends to make me feel a bit nauseous and dizzy
@@ryansanborn4906 not really.....you don't feel like your coming down of of anything but you do get a bit of craving for it but it's nothing on the level of opiates......it's kinda like needing your morning coffee It does dehydrate the hell out of you tho so stay hydrated or you'll get constipated
The effects vary wildly depending on the individual. For me it soothed the ever present nerve pain in my arms and legs. My arms and legs feel like they're on fire and for whatever reason Kratom helps. The burning sensation has been so pervasive that I've frozen my loved ones out of my house by running the A/C until ice cicles are hanging from the ceiling. I feel normal while being able to think clearly due to the dulling of chronic pain. For me there's no high rather I notice 20 minutes later I can think more clearly. I suggest you try it while at home to see how if at all it effects you. For me the white leaf works the best which goes against the descriptions. It works for some and not others. I suggest you buy a very small quantity to see if helps. 1 teaspoon mixed with 8 oz of water is what I take.
Kratom got me to stop a horrible fentanyl addiction. Now I can live my life the way it’s meant to and I’m very thankful to be back to my normal self. I do have to take pretty big amounts but it doesn’t fucc me up like other opiates do. I just do white in the morning, green in the afternoon / early evening and then red vein for sleep and I feel great!
You don't get high from Kratom unless you have zero opiate tolerance and even then the feeling is nowhere near the euphoric high you get from hydro / oxy (ie all things being equal)
Paul Denet untrue I’ve snorted two Oxy and two Xanax at once before still not as good as a good Kratom high which starts to feel like ecstasy at high doses
YOUniverse1234 yes it is look up the active alkaloids like 9-methoxymitragynine 7-hydroxymitragynine is lab proven to be 13 times more powerful an analgesic than morphine but is only 2% of the alkaloid makeup so you have to consume at least 10x the recommended dose or more if you’re a heavy opiate user
I guess it depends on your chemistry and physiology. I've been using kratom(red mengda, green and white Malay and Bali) for about 2 years now. My usual dose is about 3-5 g daily, broken up into 3 or 4 servings. I was able to kick a dependency of painkillers for my shoulder and midback. Everything in moderation. Ive gotten many people off of opiates using kratom, and then they would ease off kratom as well. I also know people that stay "high" on kratom, but that's abuse. Overall, it's a safer, natural alternative to painkillers. This is only my opinion based on personal use so be careful.
I went to a Kratom/Kava bar a few months ago because someone told me about it and I got a regular tea that they serve and that was a pleasant kind of stimulant like Joe was saying. I went back like a week later and tried the double shot they offer to see what that was like, and damn it was as if I took one too many Percocet. Definitely a nice time but can for sure see it becoming a problem with the wrong person. I don’t think it should be scheduled at all though, in fact I know it helps opioid addicts come off of whatever they’re struggling with. I’m all for it.
honestly can’t tell the difference between red strain kratom and hydrocodone. white and green strains are more for energy, but red strains feel identical to opioids
Kratom is helping me quit a 8 year long weed addiction. Been doing Kratom for three years but the problem is I know im addicted I get dope sick if I don’t drink a sip first thing in the morning. And the dope sickness goes away immediately after i take a sip of the Kratom
I have asbergers and Kratom helps me chill/normalize to a degree but I’ve noticed quick access to information recall is affected to some degree on higher doses. You don’t want to take high doses for long periods or you WILL experience withdrawal symptoms for about a week. Taper off progressively for about a month to avoid that completely. Enjoy.
I am a chronic pain sufferer and kratom is the sole reason I'm not addicted to prescription opioids, or destroying my stomach with ibuprofen/naproxen. I'm one of thousands who can say the same.
Unless you are on a lot of white vein with pinpoint pupils and cleaning out your car randomly all while talking to everyone who passes by, nobody is even able to tell you're on anything. Take adderall for example, people look so cracked out on that shit.
@Wille red is the relaxing opiate version and green is like the upper version but not crackhead energy and white is crack head, that shit hurts my head can't drink white
@@giovannitrentalange2822 same white is like too much coffee start shaking and im sure you could OD on it. Reds only give you belly ache but after awhile it stops happening unless you go crazy one day. Red is most opiate like for sure. Red bali has been the number 1 go too. I like it a lot myself but I like all reds. Yellow is relaxing and euphoric. Mix the 2 feels great. I just had 17 grams of priemum bali. I know its a lot and I shouldnt do that but its better then addiction to feddy. I'm okay with this but I know at some point I need to reduce. 6 months off methadone and 73 days off feddy. Kradom helps not crave other things. I stopped drinking every night.
I've been taking kratom since 2013. It's incredible. The red strains (red borneo, red bali etc) completely took my anxiety away in a way that nothing else ever could. You feel this warm blanket feeling all over your body and a deep euphoria that lasts the whole day. It also really improves your cardio dramatically and helps tremendously with delaying lactic acid build up and also with recovery after a hard work out session. It's an amazing and versatile plant. Btw, it's "krah -tohm." Not "crate -em."
@@shayorshayorshayor Never took any pills so I can't help you with that. It's always better and cheaper to get the dried powder and start with half a tea spoon and add more until you hit a sweet spot that you're comfortable with. Don't underestimate how strong this stuff can be.
@@shayorshayorshayor trust me, you'll know. You'll feel just right, if you take any of the red strains like borneo, the sedative ones. The white strains are good for working out and being active but won't give you that sedative feeling that most people want.
I was also once kratom’s biggest fan til it almost shut off my testosterone and caused secondary hypogonadism, if it didn’t cause that it would be the greatest drug out
Brandon Wright I’ve never done any other drug in my life besides weed and kratom and I’ve smoked weed everyday since I was a kid, kratom causes hypogonadism just like all opiates do, it just doesn’t do it as bad
I just Googled hypogonadism and there are TONS of causes. Oddly, none of them were Kratom. Now... That doesn't mean it WASN'T Kratom. All I'm saying is that this is why more testing needs to be done before we make ANY judgements about the stuff. Unless a doctor tells you that's without a doubt what caused it, it's irresponsible to go around telling people that. It helps a LOT of people and I'd hate for anyone to be scared away when they don't have to be.
if you guys are curious about what it feels to high on kratom, ask a Malaysian, especially the ones in the north region. we mix kratom water with coke(because kratom is super bitter) * we also add some cough syrup to get more high effects(not good for your health obviously). its actually lean but in south east asia version. we call it as “koroi”
In South East Asia, usually normal people just boil the leaves and drink the water for health benefits. BUT drug ADDICTS will mix kratom tea with other substances such as mosquito coil, soft drink, syrup, horse pill (amphetamine) and meth which can cause multiple organ failures and other health hazards. Kratom has benefits for health but don’t abuse it.
For over a year, I was taking 800mg. of caffeine every morning. With one week of kratom, I was completely off of it, and have no desire for either. Truly an amazing plant!
@@pansexualdickhaver6878 I know, but as healthy adult with anxiety that would but like destroy me, 100mg caffeine is max for me. other wise instant panic attack, Weed tho I can do a g of rso no problem or 1000mg easily.
Yo Joe I love you bro I watch your podcasts all the time and love your content but I'm also a 21 year old heroin addict and Kratom is one of the best things I've ever come across. Its not dangerous. You're not gonna overdose and die off it. There are no withdrawl ( maybe something comparable to caffeine wd in extreme cases) and it helps people who are in pain and don't want opiates. Bro please for the love of God please help us keep this legal and legit because it is one of the only things I've ever found that I can use legally to keep me from wanting to go use heroin this should not be categorize as a harmful drug
For me, Kratom used to remove all depression completely. I mean all of it. Made you super interested in activities, relaxed, joyful; energetic. No hangover and it’s easy to kick. It’s the perfect drug. It still gives me energy years later, but the calm euphoria is reduced due to tolerance, sadly. It’s hardly a scary or harmful drug at all.
@@tfahad2051 mostly red vein when I started out, but now I prefer white as it makes me less sleepy. Put a heaping teaspoon of kratom into a French press and about .75 L of boiling hot water. Steep for 20-30 min. Strain and drink as a tea.
@@flakdampler11 Thanks. I'm just looking to get it because I've heard it also helps with depression. I would love to try anything that will also help me stay focused at work
Kratom is one of the best drugs I've ever tried. Better than alcohol, better than weed, better than opiates...the only thing that has EVER helped my depression.
😐 Using a substance to self medicate means that you aren't dealing with either of those things and in fact using substances for those reasons is how you become an addict.
The more you take kratom, the less intense the high becomes, as with everything else. That's why most people who take that much kratom say it's not a "high". Caffeine can get you really revved up as well if you haven't had it in a long time.
*I have serious sciatic nerve damage ATM, and after I take a BIG dose of Kratom, the nerve starts twitching and firing, and my foot and leg start WORKING significantly better. My muscles literally spasm out of the numbness from it stimulating the nerve with enough magnitude. I can feel my foot more. It also is a miracle for pain! I have some nasty muscle tears in my back it wipes out and even percs and oxies do ZILCH for that pain! I mean I need an ambulance pain.*
Anyone thinking about using kratom, or just starting out with kratom, I would suggest to be very careful, and practice strong self-discipline. If you start taking it more and more, you can easily get to the point where you need to take it all day long morning to night, and can't go more than an hour or 2 without it. And once you are at this point, quitting is extremely difficult. It's a long arduous, horribly depressing battle.
100% agree I thought it was a miracle for the first few months as well. A lot of people find out just how ungentle it can be a few months into regular use. That shit was a nightmare for me. Legit as bad as oxy withdrawal but in a more intense mental/anxiety withdrawal
I understand your point and agree with you about moderation but everybody is different. I took it often throughout the day when I first found it. Now I have it once every few days (couple times a week) in the morning and I don’t Jones at all… It’s so mild that all that addiction worry was just in the mind. At least that was my experience. ☮️💚
Not gonna lie, i went 10 days without the kratom and i when i took it i felt this feeling like no other. it was amazing. it felt so euphoric and i just cuddled up in my bed and smiled.
Kratom is a great tool, and it should 100%, without a doubt, stay legal. Its risk profile is lower than cigarettes, alcohol, prescription painkillers etc. However, too many people fight too hard to mask and downplay Kratoms effects. If I take 2 grams I'm happily motivated, more social, ready to get work done etc. When I take 6+ grams (which I don't do often, maybe once a month) I melt into my couch. I feel a little dizzy (in a weirdly good way) I'm euphoric, problems don't exist, and my cognitive function is reduced, my short term memory also takes a decent hit. Would you call this a high? The term "high" is so malleable it's a useless term for practical discussions. When I take a heavy kratom dose, I am impaired. It doesn't mean I'm slurring my words, stumbling around, unable to hold a thought, or jumping off balconies, but I am not functioning at 100% capacity.
Kratom saves lives! For people dealing with long term opioid addiction kratom is a God send! I spent years addicted to tramadol and I never thought I could stop. But kratom has truly been amazing!
He took a high dose for the first time and hasn't done it since. I've taken it for years and only do 1.8g per dose because I don't want to feel the way he described. Not all people take it to get high.
There is a face book page called “quitting kratom” these people talk so bad about it, because they abused the plant and would take about 40- 80grams a day
@@SuPeRHeRoDuDe3124 I can imagine lol, i would take over 10g a day and i took a dump like 3-4 times a week. trying my best to get lower to like 4g every other day
Nah man I've had major side effects from as low as 8GPD (Gram Per Day). Currently hooked again at between 12-20 GPD and the side effects are identical. I have to take supplements to poop and Nothing seems to help the skin issues or aging issues it causes. Anyone who knows this plant knows how addictive it is. If you don't think it's almost as bad of a dependence to suboxone, methadone or heroin you just haven't been around long enough to find out! The withdrawals are almost as bad as heroin withdrawals and mentally they're a little harder to handle honestly. Phsycially they're not as bad but they cause major anxiety when quitting for me. I still think they should be legal. But I also think all drugs should be legal
Kratom is killing me. I take 250grams per week. I dose every few hours. My sleep patterns are messed up. I am always cold, agitated, tingly, despondent, up and down emotionally, cold sweats, uncomfortable, and craving to feel better. I feel like the antagonists eventually outweigh the agonists in the kratom to where my tolerance isnt breached with agonist by the time the antagonists start making me feel crummy. I cant get a golden dose I have been taking it for 5 months now. It helped for the first month or so but I gradually got worse and more lazy. It's hard to explain. My back is always cold and tingly and I never have energy. Stomach is bloated constantly and I get tired easily. Think I may have to quit cold turkey because tapering is just useless. The math on paper never translates into proper doses that make thing bearable.
Sound like your getting shitty Kratom... Orrrrr maybe the 250g/week serving size is causing these side effects!?!? Give me a break man of course you are not dealing with Kratom well your eating a quarter pound of dried leaf powder a week... do you know what any dried leaf powder from anything in that large amount does to the stomach intestines - digestion? This shits just whack man please stop taking Kratom my goodness... YOU ARE TAKING 40+ GRAMS A DAY BRO WHAT ARE YOU EXPECTING??? WOW. THIS IS WHAT IS WRONG WITH KRATOM. PEOPLE TRYING TO GET HIGH LIKE YOU TAKING A QUARTER POUND TO THE DOME A WEEK AND WHINING ABOUT HOW ITS BAD. YOU REALIZE THE SUGGESTED SERVING SIZE IS 2-3 GRAMS FOR STARTERS. I highly suggest you go back to your drug of choice because obviously you are not ready to transfer to sobriety which is the tool kratom provides... stomach is bloated hahaha your eating a QP of dried leaves per WEEK! Has ur dosage and experience ever occurred to you that it may be correlated or are you just trying to get high off kratom and seeing that it is not a very good tool for that?
@@wealthofhealthnaturally8550 that was so aggressive. Was your intention to shame them? Sure seems like it. This person is reaching out vulnerably for help and you just crush them telling them how bad they are (they know this). Be nice or shut up.
@@jasongravely7217 2 year old comment I don't even remember posting, I was posting cold hard facts.. what was wrong with saying they are taking wayyy to much and that's the primary reason for their side effects, I'm sorry if I came off mean I didn't mean to honestly but it's irresponsible use like this that is the reason we are facing a world wide ban right now.. the guy was asking for help, I told him the truth that he is abusing the leaf taking almost 2 ounces per day.. anyone taking that amount is trying to get "high" which is bad for that individual and bad for the kratom community and the argument to keep it legal cus you have people abusing the hell out of the leaf taking massive amounts and complaining about it. Sorry I don't like reckless kratom users taking half pounds per week and complaining about some side effects, anyone with common sense would understand the problem isn't kratom it's ingesting 2 ounces of krat per day.. that is reckless and I'll call that out whenever I see it. I don't like people blaming kratom because they are trying to get high off the leaf and gives the FDA more reason to ban. This leaf has saved so many lives I had to point out the absurdly high dose which will of course have all the negative side effects he mentioned.. do you support consuming over half pound of kratom per week and then complaining about digestive side effects... So you would recommend it's not his issue with kratom but that it's kratom itself and not his own self control?
@@wealthofhealthnaturally8550 Funny, you go on to defend yourself in your "2 year old comment," yet went ahead & deleted your original comment anyway. Way to stand by what you said 😑
If you have an addictive personality be careful yall. Ive been addicted to this sludge for 5 years and the withdrawals can be horrific if you take a bunch every day over a period of time like I did.
This is facts that shit gets me so high but the taste😫 and withdrawals can be worse because there are so many unstudied alkaloids in kratom that also act as ssris.
For some reason I failed my drug test. I am deeply upset, it was for an AMR job so maybe they did extensive testing. Idk. I failed for the mitrigyane thing or whatever. I have another test coming up, I’m going to drink a cleanse drink so I will update everyone.
Kratom has helped someone in my family stop drinking hard alchohol as much, if it can do that it cant be bad i would rather have people taking some meang da and driving than have someone driving while drunk
I'm recovering from cancer and chronic pain is my life. I have been on oxycodone since 2021. When irun out of my 10 day (60pill) supply i start getting the effects of withdrawl. I bought some Bali Red vein Kratom and i'm trying it for the first time right now. I feel sluggish almost drunk but functional. My eyes feel saggy. I'm calm as can be but it feels like im borderline overdosing. Not a pleasant feeling. I wouldn't advise jumping into these unless you take small experimental doses until you figure out what works. Just and FYI i bought the capsules says 600Mg but doesnt say the amount of Krantom.
Hey guys I've been taking Kratom for four years now in an average day I would take about 40gm. And yes I have been abusing it. Of course it started out taking three or four pills and it slowly progressed anyways I'm writing this because I had a seizure two nights ago after basically overdosing on kratom it's the second one I've had in about 6 or 7 months. Idk it's got its good properties but after a year or so i noticed it greatly affected my learning ability and cognitive ability and especially my memory and my overall confidence. I quit twice before for only a couple weeks each time but this time I'm going to stay quit I don't know guys I think having a few beers and some weed is the way to go over kratom. Wish me luck only been twenty-four hours since my last dose but I want a clear head for once. By the way in small doses I don't think Kratom is dangerous but that's the hard part is to keep the dose low. Anyways that's just my opinion over the last 4 years.
If you're having seizures because of overdose, you must be taking a massive amount of kratom per day. My guess is if you traded that for Weed and Alcohol you would abuse that in the same manner.
There is some info out there regarding kratom and lowering the seizure threshold. For some people, kratom just isn't the answer. It needs to be prefaced with education and discipline. I hope you're doing better!
I started 2 weeks ago on 2 grams. Now i drink 4 grams. But i alternate strains and i go a couple days off each week cause i don't want to create a dependance. But it's really helping with my chronic pain. I used to be hunched over in pain, shuffling my feet...in so much pain i could barely do anything. Now i stand up straight and am working out daily to prevent and alleviate my pains by getting stronger. Use it as a tool folks and take days off so u don't create a dependance. It's wonderful. I feel like i did in my 20's and i'm 40 and have suffered with chronic pain for 15 yrs. I also have breast implant illness from leaky toxic implants that were recalled. So it's as if i have multiple auto-immune disorders that effect all my systems and many organs in my body. Since Kratom i don't feel those symptoms anymore. My cognitive function has greatly improved and i no longer need to take the numerous meds i was taking. It's a God send and not as easy to get hooked on as opiates. I used to be an opiate addict yrs ago. This is not the same feeling.
yes and no.. no is having kratom parties nor is there dealers on the corner pushing this stuff. It almost in a league of its own, just needs to be respected or it will consume you.
I take 15 grams of white Kratom before I workout and I do not get high. It gives me energy and numbs pain. The days I don't workout I don't take it and don't crave it.
Ya, kratom does not get me high at all. But it does give my energy and kills my back pain. I have never herd of anyone getting high like Joe says.. most people that try it to get high are disappointed
I took a ridiculous amount my first time, like 26 pills, and got the most euphoric feeling I’ve ever had in my life (I’m 32)… I’ve done many drugs and nothing compared besides fentanyl. After the euphoria my vision got super choppy, like I was drunk but a parallel version of drunk… that shit lasted like an hour. I threw up hard, it went away but damn man it was worth it for that level of euphoria. Only problem was I had an extreme tolerance to it right after the first time & never got there again. Though a safer alternative, This IS drugs, so use them for something productive, not just to get trashed
I have never felt “high” from Kratom. I’ve felt mild to moderately sedated. It aids in anxiety. It can uplift your mood. But I have taken too much but never felt high. I felt nauseated.
10 kratom pills day 1 , 15 pills day 2, 25 pills day 3, needless to say…. It’s a vicious circle… somebody that is taking this needs to be honest about the insane kratom poops, and the anxiety when you quit 💯
So many kratom heads defending their drug of choice lmao. It gets you high no question about it. Just the same way a puff or 4 off a joint gets you high. That does not mean that it should be illegal tho. But that facts are the facts people it's psychoactive no questions.
