Dude....that's awesome. It amazes me how flat Earth folks can believe something so ridiculous. We need to use CRISPR to fix that problem....it'd probably work on retardation too....they are similar conditions.
TheNeoEnigma this just proves many more people are employed who shouldn’t be actually. What’s the saying? Not all Trumptards are Flat Earthers but all Flat Earthers are Trumptards.
"I'm not an expert on *blank* so what I'm saying here is speculation." This is a phrase all of us curious types really ought to get familiar with, and I think Krauss deserves a little credit for reminding us of that.
I think you have a valid point... but only to a limit. Intellectuals these days seem to have been very indoctrinated to think they can't scrutinize or think critically about any topic they aren't extremely specialized in. It's gotten to the point where it's too extreme... and everyone feels like they can't question anything... so everyone just ends up "trusting the experts" even when common sense dictates we are being lied to.
@@notloki3377 You don't need to be an expert to see the earth isn't flat. It's simple science. Those who believe in flat earth are denialists or generally gullible people that fail to understand proven science. It's like saying he's not an expert in unicorns, it doesn't give existence in unicorns any credibility.
@@Wenyfile People who pretend gravity is a scientific fact are good little boys that don't know that science after the Method is actually done, don't need theories a equations for proof.
@@irishdruidess7391 I used to believe that gravity was a frivolous thing until one day when a man pushed me out a plane. On my way down I passed alongside the Sears Robuck building. At the 13th floor, the elevator door opened and a small, frail black man named Otis gave me a glass. He then leisurely tossed a couple of ice cubes in that same glass and proceeded to pour the Infidel wine.
Joe Dirte Randy would get duped. Cartman would join for ulterior motives so he could manipulate people and have power over them. He’d become a leader in the flat earth movement, and he’d try to convince Kyle he really believed it.
Flat earth is a psy op. One of the biggest pieces of evidence for this is that it appeared out of nowhere. Just think 5 years ago who was talking about a flat earth?
I like this guy. Articulate, smart obviously but so careful on respecting others regardless of beliefs. He understands why people are people. Where people are driven by Eagle and automatically want to put down and mock others to up lift themselves.
My favorite flat earther story I've seen is that flat earth group who are self proclaimed "scientists and skeptics" who do experiments to prove the earth is flat, and they did a bunch and every time the data comes back showing the earth is round, and then they just brush it off and say "okay well the next time we will prove its flat" 😂😂😂 these people are fucking insane lmao!
@@danpals7678 Unfortunately not. I think the most famous case of this happening was flat earthers spending 20k$ to buy a laser gyroscope to show that the Earth is not rotating to measure the exact drift predicted by a rotating round world. They proceeded to proclaim that "Energy from the heavens" must be influencing their measurements. Here is the relevant part of an interview with the guy who did the experiment ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-6pf44njV8g0.html
There is no such video. There is one video where the producers edited it to make it APPEAR as if they proved Earth is a globe by taking things out of context and lots of sneaky misleading editing. But all the Flat Earthers involved posted the full, unedited experiments on their channels after the Netflix documentary was released, and sure enough the unedited footage proved that Earth lacked curvature actually... and the full footage proved they edited it to be deceptive in the Netflix documentary. It's crazy they can outright intentionally deceive everyone like that... Flat Earthers can even openly prove that's really what occured... and most of the public only watches Netflix while blindly believing what they're seeing so it doesn't even matter.
I watched a debate between a few flat earthers and a few scientists, and the flat earthers said multiple times "it's because we're the ones thinking logically"
@vladimir putin is andrei panin jfk is jimmy carter Flat earthers spotted. I'm not but our ancestors found out way back. And now it's clear that earth is round
More like he's able to change his public views to suit that of his current guest for convenience sake... while maintaining the same private views simultaneously
@Vybz-ut7wk he is a sell out, for sure. Controlled opposition. Hard to say whether he knows Earth is flat, not that it really matters. I mean he's basically a psychopath.
How do you know Australia is upside down? North being Up and South being Down are human creations. YOU could be the one that's upside down, buddy. How do you feel??
@@kevinskinner4986 I was being sarcastic. Nobody is upside down. And water doesn't stick and float upside down. I'm just making fun of Rogan and Krauss for believing that it does.
It's embarrassing that people even talk about this. I feel ashamed for myself even clicking on this. It's depressing we're talking about people that believe the earth is flat.
@@notloki3377 There is a lot of misinformation people go around touting as evidence in this world. We are definitely not sitting on some society breaking secret like a flat earth lol
@@notloki3377 School, research, engaging in conversatiom with not just like-minded people, but with differing opinions as well. Im not saying I have the answers, but I would so much rather keep my moutb shut and be an observer before being lpud and confidently incorrect
@@rajgill7576 my problem with the science types like Lawrence is that they use "evidence" as a club to beat down their ideological opponents and overestimate the degree to which science and its dogmas can calculate reality. This arrogance leads them to say things such as "if you don't believe gravity, you can test it by walking out a window before you reproduce."
Imagine people leading hopelessly pointless lives in suburban civilization. Now imagine a percentage of them feel that mostly everything they believe is right, and most of what others tell them is wrong. Imagine some have a brain that seeks confirmation that they're "special, important, unique." Now add internet trolls who professionally BS dumb ideas into existence for a laugh. Sprinkle in some grand conspiracy mumbo-jumbo, and these slightly-autistic simpletons latch on for dear life and use the internet to organize a "movement." = Flat Earth Society
Actually, have a look at the "Myth of the Flat Earth" article on wikipedia. It's a common rebuttal used when I say we've been doing something or had knowledge since the Middle Ages, you refute it with, "Well, people also believed the earth was flat back then. So do you believe that too?" This is actually a myth, they did not. During the 14th century nearly all scholars and the educated had universally accepted the earth as a globe, like the Ancient Greeks did. That's how old this "idea" is. When 200-300 years ago, it became a joke/misconception that people 1500 years ago believed the earth was flat, when in reality that idea died out as early as 2600 years ago. *checkmate atheistz*
now Neil Degrasse Tyson says you cant see the curve from 63 miles, because now there are tourists flying with Richard Branson or Jeff Bezos to 63 miles. Really? Yes. He says that. Why would he say that. It should be clearly curved at that altitude. Very curved. But its not. follow the debate can be hard for newcomers because they hide the videos, but channel names can still be found, Globebusters, NathanOakley, DITRH, Jeranism, Hibbeler Productions just as a start.
His arguments weren't rational at all, although they seem to be designed to appear to be to people who don't understand science very well. For example, his example with the shadows in the well gets the exact same results on a Flat Earth with a local sun as it does on a globe earth with a sun millions of miles away. So he's just left assuming one model over the other for no reason... a begging-the-question fallacy. Then his comment that jumping off a balcony would prove gravity is laughably ignorant. Flat Earthers are disputing the reason WHY heavy objects fall down (theory of gravity) not that heavy objects DO fall down (law of gravitation). We're in big trouble if even our top scientists conflate science and physics like that.
Nah, flatearther are straight up ignorant about science people and it is ok to be ignorant, everyone is about something, the main problem is that they do not recognize they are ignorant
I don't believe in the flat-earthers theory, and it's been too long a time since flat-bred's touched my lips. One thing I know for sure... Texas is flat! Why just the other day I saw Billy Bob take out his big blue taw-marble in the gritty little town of Brownsville. He placed it in a circle... released it...and let it find its own way. Dontcha know that that old taw-marble rolled east to west at such a slow speed they had to get Cactus Jack to keep up with it.
It's amazing how most modern scientists like Krauss have such command of the English language. We are blessed to have these people who can have the audacity to say walk out of the balcony and jump to prove your meaning of gravity. That my friend is the courage of his convictions
It's actually very concerning prominent scientists would say something so silly. It shows he's conflating the theory of gravity (reason WHY heavy objects fall down) with the law of gravitation (law of physics that heavy objects DO fall down). Its not possible to prove gravity by observing that something falls.
@@lightbeforethetunnel more specifically, science allows us to measure and predict the effects of gravity (to an incredible amount of precision), but so far still can't explain "how" it functions.
So you are ok suggesting people commit suicide because they have a different belief than you. It's pieces of dumbshit like you that need to go and top your fucking worthless existence.
Point still stands. Nobody likes hearing about children raised by vulnerable and psychologically unbalanced people. Adults can believe any sort of stupid shit they want, children deserve better chance at life without being setback by moronic parents. There's nothing really funny about the statement tbh.
@@RobinPillage. the only problem with this is thousands if not millions of kids are still brainwashed with other things. How many kids are in cults and leave or religious and they leave? Once you get wind that what you're learning is wrong is only then you get curious enough to learn other things.
@vladimir putin is andrei panin jfk is jimmy carter It's because EVERY (billions of billion) other astronomical body is round; so the probability that ONLY earth is flat, is zero! I haven't witnessed this with my own two eyes, but all the satellites that have taken billions of pictures, and every astronaut/cosmonaut and other essential people would lie about this because... what? WHY?? To uphold some goverment propaganda and/or conspiracy, just because YOU and a fraction of one percent believe so? I'm trying really hard not to take you for a fool or a troll here, but you make it very difficult.. So try, not for me but for your own sake, TRY to pull your head out of your asshole for one second to contemplate and consider the OVERWHELMING facts and evidences that the earth is round. That's all I have to say to you and your like-minded. Keep it MOIST!
Joe: The two observers would only need to note the angle of the sun at local high noon, not at the exact same time. The distance between Alexandria and Syene was 575 miles, and Syene is on the tropic of Capricorn, meaning the sun is directly overhead at the summer solstice. So he measured the angle in Alexandria and did some geometry, as Krauss explained. I won't even touch flat-earth, except that explaining this experiment to a flat-earther just might work ;)
@@flatstuff1630 the towers of the Verrazzano Narrows Bridge are 1.6" farther apart at their tops than at their bases due to the curvature of the earth, despite them both being exactly perpendicular to the surface at their bases. There are plenty of other instances of similar, easily-measurable phenomena. Hell, go out on the open ocean and you can easily see vessels disappear over the horizon due to the curvature of the earth, and all you need is binoculars. They depart visibility and you can only see water from, e.g. the bridge of a ship, yet at the top of the radar mast the distant vessel is still visible. Round earth has been known for millennia and proven for centuries.
Here's the silver bullet for those who can understand it: The stars spin counterclockwise around the north star but clockwise around the southern cross. This is only explainable with a globe. The flat earth model cannot explain this. Also, the lamp-shaded sun in the flat earth model would look cut-off early and late in the day. Not a good look.
@Paul Muszynski , the globe is run off of presuppositions. Take a look into angular perspective geometry. Nothing works on a globe. Looking to the sky to identify the ground, not a good look. It's a religion no different than government/statism. It's run off of beliefs and presuppositions.
Lawrence Krauss has such an excellent way of approaching these issues. I appreciate his humility vs others who condescend over these issues (Neil deGrasse Tyson comes to mind). It's refreshing to see a scientist that legitimately sympathizes with people with ignorant tendencies.
uhhh, maybe you should watch more of their stuff. krauss is pretty well known for his biting sarcasm towards "unlightened" religious nematodes. ironically it is tyson that believes more in the more patient teaching approach.
Lawrence Krauss the guy who admitted the evidence shows that the Earth is in fact in the center and "woah, thats crazy. Is the Copernican principle coming back to haunt us?" He's so smart that every argument he made against flat earth was a strawman fallacy built upon immense intellectual ineptitude.
I love when actual logical people are on here and not people with political agendas that sway right and left. These conversations are the best because they’re about humanity, the conditions and irrefutable fact. The politics are so annoying. Political affiliation undermines the individual’s ability to decide on each and every single instance as a singular being. Instead they’re tethered to a group. It’s disgusting
4 years ago, but a great great comment. in my view you hit directly upon one of the biggest problems - if not THE biggest problem - facing humanity today
As a Christian I'm a big fan of science. I know the earth is not flat, I know the dinosaurs existed, and man landed on the moon. If your an atheist I'm cool with it because I have family and friends who do not believe In the flying spaghetti monster like I do. Great video.🍝
That is so refreshing. Thank you! I regard myself to be a humanist but I do believe in a personal God, the soul, and some kind of afterlife. However I do think that in the here and now we should put people first and nature first. They have to come before technology and artificial intelligence. All we have is this small, fragile planet for a home (shut up Elon Musk!) and the the best, most honest way to honor God is to take care of our home, acknowledge our place in, and not over, nature, be good to ourselves and to each other. ❤😊
Yes it's fine to question, but the problem starts when people think they know it all and so they automatically reject the answers to their questions :-|
When you are a cosmologist who is also a strong advocate of public understanding of science, like Mr. Kraus, you really have to be well equipped in explaining things that were fundamental. It was Eratosten who did shadow measures of objects at same time on different positions and geometry that proved Earth curvature. It's even really well explained in Carl Sagan's original Cosmos...
Eratosthenes's experiment obtains the exact same results for the shadows mathematically if it's assumed: 1) Earth is flat with a sun 3,100 miles away, or 2) Earth is spherical with a sun millions of miles away (which he assumed) Its a textbook begging-the-question fallacy. It works the same on both models so he's just left assuming one model over the other for literally no reason
funciona nos dois modelos. mas no modelo globo assume-se que os raios solares chegam paralelos na terra enquanto no modelo plano os raios são diagonais. Eu observando o Sol, especialmente entre nuvens o que vejo são raios DIAGONAIS 😜
well, to be fair Gravity technically "does not exist" if you're going with Einstein's definition based on relativity, as opposed to the Newtonian definition whereas gravity was a force
*Matthew Coolness* Yes, yes it is. *Kosator* You release oxytocin when seeing 'some person' because your instinct makes an assessment of their breeding potential based on their body shape and other attributes and factors.
True but some people don't have desires for children and reproduction, but still find love. Some people don't look for love and still find it... there are always going to be instances that can't be explained through science...
@@yellowbelly7863 That is absolutely explained by science. These systems aren't foolproof, and our cognition and culture can amplify or negate them. The ability to decide whether or not to have kids is not a disproof of the science of "love" as described by OP. It is explained using... ...more science.
@@hhiippiittyy like Morphic Resonance. Tried and tested by science. Proved to be true. Yet, science calls it psuedo science. Structured water. Proved also. Same classification as above. Some parts of science is clearly b.s. For instance: Macro evolution. Not enough evidence in the fossil record.
I would say it's explained away by that for people who don't like things being unknown.. You can explain away any phenomenon if you use Darwin as a whipping boy for your poor philosophy.
That was always my question to flat-earthers the question is if the Earth was flat then wouldn't we all have light at the same time and dark at the same time
Eratosthenes calculated the circumference of the Earth in ancient times and was very close. Later Posidonius calculated it later and was off by about 6000 miles. Columbus believed Posidonius. He sailed the ocean to the west and at about the right distance, according to Posidonius, he ran into "the "Indies."
@Inkosi-Inathi Memani lol no. In a world where just watching the Sun tells you which way is east or west, how do you imagine he would've made a mistake of that magnitude, every day for weeks on end?
If it really was electromagnetic waves instead of gravity, people could wear magnets and levitate. Joe: "There's a man in Idaho who was found dead and covered in magnets at the bottom of a ravine."
*Derik Roberts* Very few FErs will posit 'magnetism' for the reason things fall down, most say that more dense objects sink through less dense mediums - all the while failing to explain why 'down', especially when 'up' would be more logical in that case.
He assumes that the sun works the same way on a flat earth as it does on a globe earth. If a street light was moving around your neighborhood, it could be illuminating your neighbor's house and not yours, despite your neighborhood not being curved.
In December of 1903, an article was written describing how manned flight would never happen. It was simply impossible. One week later the wright brothers flew for the first time.
Wouldnt you not know the circumference from this experiment if you didnt know how far the sun was? Also, if they were using sun dials, I'm confused as to how they could ascertain that they were taking their measurements at the same time (i.e. the man with the sun straight above has 12 noon on his dial a few moments ahead or after the other man).
Eratosthenes was off by a fractional margin and this is probably due to the lack of equipment you just pointed out but modern equipment has since measured it and the original measurement was near spot on.
Just a question as I am confused . I am Australian and live there and notice changes in Joe's thoughts and attitudes towards certain subjects , some political ! Could that be because of the involvement of Spotify now ? I am truly wondering about this . Has he been told to adjust his attitudes ???????
Carl Sagan once said that being a scientist is not more mentally harder than being a stock trader or accountant or other sort of jobs, but the difference is being able to put aside their agenda of confirming their own beliefs.
isn't the whole flat earth theory debunked if you simply call someone on the other side of the earth and ask them if the sun is out? You guys get me? wouldn't it be daylight everywhere if it was flat? I mean why even debate them
erick 33 They have a rebuttal for that too. The sun is a small ball of light moving circular over the plane. Why it doesn't light up the whole plane? Look at a light bulb in a big dark room, it doesn't light up the whole room, just a bit of it. I don't believe flat earth I just watched so many videos on it. I'm thinking sometime in the next 20-30 years it will be either proven or debunked.
I felt like I was going down that path to be honest, And I totally believe the science. I think it’s a curiosity, repeating it until you believe it’s true. reading lots and lots of things about flat earth even if you know earth is spherical. I’ve seen people on videos that said they started not believing earth is flat either.
