Disney won't ever let Hamill say what he really thinks. Whenever Mark begins to tell the truth about his disappointment with the new movies, he always has to stop himself or in certain circumstances Kathleen Kennedy and other Disney producers have literally cut him off as soon as he starts conveying his disgust with Disney's negligence.
Yeah, it would turn out to be a 2 hour Trump rant with 5 min of SW talk...No thank you LOL Respect to Mark for luke and that shit but IRL, fucking leftist loonatic. Don't want to hear or see a thing from his reality, disconnected ass.
The Last Jedi every woman in charge was the smartest person in the room and the male characters were relegated to bumbling idiots or they were the evil villains. putting men down to create a strong female character is nothing more than lazy writing.
@@PhenomResurrections08 they made Ray a better pilot than the ace pilot of the rebellion for years even though she literally doesn't even have 1/8th of the experience he has. And who are the war loving males exactly, if you want equality in a movie and a strong female character do that, don't just full your movie with a bunch of stupidly clear propaganda and a Mary sue as the lead. You're truly an idiot
@@PhenomResurrections08 funny that you're trying to act like strong female leads didn't exist in movies when there was Aliens with Ridley as the protagonist and that movie was extremely well received and let's not forget tomb raider which aside from the successful movies there were a bunch of successful games with the main focus being Lara croft, you're entire argument is just stupid and you're clearly just a lil white knight bitch boy or a wild feminist of this era
I also really liked Linda Hamilton in the first two Terminator movies. She started off a typical vulnerable single young lady, and became tough through character development. She becomes a badass by need, it was forced on her and she rose to the occasion, what it means to be alive, she survived and adapted. She was also able to be a mother when needed. That character was everything a "strong female lead" should be.
@@rangesavila5577 I can't say that I do know how many Jedi die from being exposed to space without a space-suit. I can believe that the daughter of Darth Vader might be able to pull off such a feat.
Yeah I think Rian Johnson said, "Look I can make a great leader out of the exact opposite of what people think a great leader would be." But then he failed miserably.
@@TheActiveAssault Mark Hamill tried to warn us. Multiple times. And he pissed off Disney with how vocal he was about what he disagreed with where they were taking the story. ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-ynBuQoSzeEE.html For a more comprehensive compilation of all the stuff Mark tried to warn us about: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-WKlo-plLJZI.html
Here's how awesome Ellen Ripley is. I first saw Aliens when I was 13 and probably near the height of my immaturity when I wouldn't normally have considered it possible for a female lead to be an action hero. Yet beginning to end I didn't once question Ripley and her role in the movie. She wasn't a female badass to me - just a badass. The same goes for Sarah Connor.
If you look at both of them, they are very 'masculine' they both have very strong jawlines and strong and lean bodies.. then the body language and tone of voice.. completely that off a 'tough man' which makes it much much more believable.
@@dalegrant9282 Maybe Ripley? Sarah Connor has this broken femme fatale look to her, in my opinion. She's thin, ragged, and wild-eyed - definitely not keeping with the times in terms of the masculine ideal. If they were going for masculine, then they were way ahead of their time; wiry and battered wouldn't be an action hero look for something like two decades.
@@n0denz She has a strong and masculine jaw line, and thin but ragged and strong movie stars existed already, there are so many to say, starting with the plethora of war movies around and before that time... but not just that... its mostly in her personality - coarse, disagreeable, defiant, couple the personality and her jaw line / figure and you tell me those arent things you would see in a male lead? Very difficult to see your side of this my friend.
Even the original Star Wars didn’t force any diversity. Characters like Leila and Lando were some of the big players in that movie that made a significant impact ont eh movies
The spin offs are so much better than the new trilogy. They’re solid screenplays built around the universe, the trilogy movies are so transparently agenda driven characters and storyline shoehorned into the universe.
and it was a great bridge from the Clone Wars era ( that set of movies/Clones Wars the show and Rebels) to a New Hope. Solo was good too....if you were true fan and knew more about Darth Maul cause you watched Clone Wars and Rebels.
Jyn Erso was good because it didnt feel like it was written as a female character. But just written as a character, and whatever gender they got to fill it, would fit.
I always found it funny how, in an attempt to be "equal" to men, women in movies have taken on the aggressive part of a man's personality. The worst part of a man's personality lol
Orppranator That depends on your opinion of what's getting done because I'm here to say that a calm mind is logical and makes much better decisions than the mind that's being influenced by testosterone and aggression
joe harmer You don’t know what testosterone does. It’s a chemical that is produced in the testes and adrenal gland (for men and women, respectively) which enhances muscle growth and energy. It mixes with cortisol to help you focus. That’s it. The stereotype of men being more aggressive, decisive, and violent is due to the fact that they are physically stronger than women, are more decisive, and more confident. It has nothing to do with chemicals influencing decision making directly.
Orppranator You may want to look at clinical studies. It's actually the exact opposite of focus. Studies (done on college students) show that those with higher levels of T were 20% more likely to make quick rash decisions. The professor that did the study was quoted as saying.."Testosterone overrides judgment" This one one of many many studies done on the affects of testosterone on the human brain. Studies even include woman who have gone through menopause. So it's not quite as simple as you think
The whole problem with Rey is that she isn't a Jedi but a Disney princess just like previous Disney characters ; she's perfect in every way and she can do anything if she believes she can.
i can follow Rey...its half the rebellion being 16 year old girls....cant get with that. And the purple haired general is bullshit. Where is your uniform bitch? Please...spare me.
Yeah, as if a man would reach for a grown woman stranger's hand like that. They portrayed Finn like an idiot and Rey as if she was strong and perfect. Men know women are perfectly capable of doing simple tasks yet they treat it like she was seen as a child. It was blatant.
I just rewatched that clip since I didn't remember that quote. Funny enough I didn't take it as anything feminist or egalitarian....I took it as Finn is running and Rey has no idea whats going on, so he just keeps grabbing her to get away from areas that are going to get bombed and she's like "IF THEYRE TRACKING *YOU* - LET ME GO SO I'M NOT IN TROUBLE" I didn't take it as her being "girl powery" like "i hold my own doors!" Funny thing is apparently the internet DID take it as "female empowerment".......which is sad that modern feminists look for validation that hard that they turned that silly little statement into a "YESSSSS gurl!!!" moment.
But as an example of how that can be done well, in the bond film for your eyes only there is a scene where bond takes a lassies hand to lead her to his car, which subsequently blows up, it then switches to her grabbing his hand, leading him to her car. Natural, believeable and not forced
“This movie had a female superstar, who, spoiler alert, winds up killing the alien. But, you don’t even notice. It doesn’t feel like it’s being stuffed down your throat.” And that’s how you do representation properly.
It's even more frustrating when you consider that Star Wars already had a template for strong female characters that weren't preachily condescending: Leia and Mon Mothma from the original trilogy, and Padme in the Prequels. I thought they did a good job with Jyn Erso in Rogue One as well.
In the original Star Wars films (the Darth Vader trilogy), the way they equally portrayed Princess Leia was phenomenal. She wasn’t a damsel in distress; she was tough and used to fight a lot. With this being said, Luke and Han were never overshadowed by her, neither was her by them. The trio were equal in every aspect (intelligence, courage, leadership, etc.) Now, THAT is equality. Making female characters better than male and vice versa, is clearly a sign of a hidden agenda. I said what I said🤷🏻♂️
In the new Star Wars not a single women has made a mistake or showed weakness. On the other hand men were troubled weak and indecisive the whole time. the feminist propaganda was rampant and it ruined the new movies.
I'd say that kind of writing is fundamentally anti-women. Not making any mistakes, having any weakness whatsoever, etc isn't just not realistic, it isn't human. Empowering female characters (or any characters for that matter) are the ones that begin weak and develop strength, begin naive and develop wisdom, begin with mistakes and learn from them to grow. Characters like Rey do not set a positive example, only an image of the unattainable. From a writing perspective, the implication is that female characters cannot be written as humans, only as the unattainable image. Conflict > Resolution > Growth Ironically, the only character that even came close to this was Kylo Ren, the white male. There is nothing pro-female about any of this so called "Feminist" propaganda.
What about Rogue One where everyone dies at the end, and Vader murders tons of good guys? I thought that movie captured the old Star Wars feel and didn't force feminism down your throat.
Too many dumb unnecessary character deaths. It's either they died in such a stereotypical way or characters died for the sake of dying. It's only because it's starwars people gave it a pass. It was average
Rogue One was the only new SW movie that I enjoyed, the cast was really good. Even though the main character was a woman, she wasn't super cringe and pointless and actually showed emotion and good acting without forcing the fact she is a wahman down your throat as you said, it was much more natural. The whole plot of her father and stuff, good movie and the closest to the old.
RO was a safe movie. Everything was bland. They tried to feature Jan as the lead Strong Female Character in the trailers, but she fell flat. When it turns out that that the saddest character death is an unemotional robot you know you have bad characters. I agree that it captured look and feel of the old Star Wars, but it failed on the character aspect big time.
@@hiddenknowledge2012 That is just it she was not the lead character. RO had no real lead character that is why she worked because she was safe and bland as with all the other characters. They felt more like something you would have seen in the Dark Forces games back in the 90s. It was more like watching a long saturday morning cartoon.
herishmerish No we wouldn’t the actress who played Sarah Connor was absolutely fantastic for the role. There are actresses out there that like Joe said can play hard, stern roles, but their casting of that purple haired girl in Star Wars was way off.
@wantafanta01 Me and some friends went to watch captain marvel, out of the 4 of us 3 fell asleep watching it. The one that stayed awake told us his own abridged version of the movie over dinner and it was way more fun.
Poor Mark Hammill. The man knew Luke Skywalker inside and out and loved the character. Then Rian comes along and tells him his character is devolving into a cowardly old fool who tried to murder a member of his own family. You can see the sadness in his eyes whenever there was a press promo interview, he's utterly sad with what they did.
i'm a brown male. i dont need a character to be either brown or male to identify with them. for example arya stark from game of thrones. LOVED that character. just make good character. if that character happens to be of an unexpected "race" or gender.....that can be good. like when they first presented brienne in game of thrones. it was quite unexpected for a woman to be a knight in that show, given the context. but they made her awesome. she had good reasons for being a knight. she made sense. she also had flaws. was a human being. just make good characters. you can even roll dice(after the character is already written) to determine gender, skin tone, hair, sexuality, etc.... and then make any necessary adjustments. a good character will always be a good character.....
Michonne from the walking dead is the best representation of what your talking about for me. Black woman with a Katana in a zombie apocalypse who aint takin shit from nobody, turned out to be one of the best characters in the show
i read a science fantasy book recently, in the main group of characters, for some reason, there was a lesbian relationship a male gay relationship and a non binary thing going on. Had to stop reading, it was so obviously forced and ridiculous.
@@byroncoetzee there seems to be no creativity left. look at what's happening in video games....they keep remaking THE SAME old games....and the dumb masses keep buying them....pretty much all is lost....good thing i have a backlog of games going back to the early 80s......wont live long enough to get bored.
I just watched the movie “The Hunt” very good female lead movie. Same with “The Decent”. It’s funny how the low budget movies manage this but Star Wars is just vomit inducing propaganda.
ripleys greatest strengths were that she was smart and decisive. she wasnt courageous and tough. she was cautious and willing to do anything to keep herself safe. thats what made alien so dope.
Exactly.Ridley Scott made a believable sci-fi thriller with a hero protagonist.He played on her strengths, there was no need to add in any extra b.s.That would've been lost on the character.
She was absolutely courageous and tough. But she also struggled, putting in real effort to overcome challenges. Just about every 'empowered' female character these days will either effortlessly succeed at everything with no stakes, or the story will continually treat the character as strong and empowered without them doing anything to earn those descriptors.
I thought that was fine. I don't get why that was bad. She's Lukes brother. She probably dabbled in the force over the years. The movie is so flawed, I don't know why people get hung up on that one scene.
I think the Star Trek series that were made in the 80’s and 90’s were good examples of having diverse casts and it went unnoticed because the storylines actually took priority.
A woman doesn't need to beat people up for her life to matter. Nor does she need to constantly compare herself to men. A mother making a loving dinner for her family has just as much worth as a female marine. What matters in a person is moral integrity, compassion and diligence. Not some tough talk and pissing contest bullshit where she just makes a serious face and tells everyone what to do.
YES!! I watched Rise of Skywalkerthe other day, what a pile of rammed into my face diversity it was from start to finish up until the final scene where they were celebrating and female and male couples kissing each other. The actors were selected first on their diversity and not their acting skillz, it was atrocious. Thank you Joe for telling it as it is.
@Andre Rozetti ???????? Are you fucking serious, you think my post is based on "one Black guy"? Geezus you are one dumb person. Even Disney has promised to "purge the WOKE agenda in the future and weed out SJWs who are dictating movie direction". That's Disney saying that, not me, 5 minutes on Google and you wouldn't look so dumb.
@Andre Rozetti The lesbian women is there just for that final kiss. I called it half way through the film “this woman is lesbian and there will be a lesbian scene”. If it was that obvious something is very wrong with the movie. There were other cringe moments, like when the Hobbit explains why the “Holdo maneuver” can’t be done again (a lame ass excuse to fix Rian Johnson idiotic subversion).
That is the problem nowadays. They think they are breaking new ground with diversity while in fact it has been around for the last 40 years. It is not a new concept that just came up over the last two years. Back in the days they just did it (let's do Ripley as our lead) and very few people had a problem with it. With Last Jedi they are very preachy about it in the movie itself and very proud about it in the promotion of it.
I guess the counter argument to that is that the lead characters of the saga are all male, other than Leia the story revolves around Luke and Han and Chewie and Vader and the Emperor and Obi-Wan and Yoda and Tarkin, even the droids are male. But then I guess the counter to that argument is that you don't need a ton of female generals when the whole trilogy revolves around Rey.
@ScreechingBlueHairFeminist I was mainly referring to the original trilogy, but even including the prequels there is only Leia and Padmé (and Padmé is really more a plot device than a character.) Re: sci fi/action films, should they be more male-centric because men are more likely to watch them, or are men more likely to watch them because they're male-centric? The box office returns for films like Wonder Woman, Ocean's 8, Salt, Atomic Blonde suggest there is an audience for female action movies.
Perhaps it has already been cited in the thread. The scene on the bridge in which all the leadership positions were women. Random man challenged, and Dern said, "Get this man off of my bridge!" So they brought in two male guards to escort him off.
All these are the results of "when feminists have their ways" and makes me think how men are naturally the fair gender! Hey we tried to be fair and equal and look at this mess!
You know it's a Disney movie when lightsabers literally cut small mountains and droids in half but only do 3rd degree burns when striking another human being.
Disney Star Wars has this tone of like, mommy lecturing the naughty little boys about the patriarchy. Alien doesn’t lecture you, it’s literally just a movie
im currently not really buying into the whole “we’re cramming feminism into your mind” view. don’t get me wrong, i hated 8 not because of the women but the really shitty writing like “master code breaker”. Cmon you can pick a better name than that. not sure how it passed through the editors when they read it but holy shit literally some of the worst writing i’ve ever seen. at no point tho did i feel like they were cramming feminism down my throat. just my perspective
Ripley works because she's written as a human being. She's a badass, but she shows fear the way a human being would in that situation. These PC movies with 'badass women' are more like fan fiction, where the female hero is not only perfect in her motivations, but totally confident and omniscient. They're stupid.
Female characters lack substance because they don't even struggle in a story line. Instead they look like perfect petite and dainty women who flip full grown men with a flick of their wrist. Consider Deadpool 2. Where even a boy gets full punched in the face by an adult prison inmate. Contrast that with the female character Domino who is conveniently always lucky and encounters no hardship whatsoever. All this can be laid at the feet of loud progressive activists because show any woman in any kind of consequence of violence and you'll be accused of supporting violence against women.
@@liamwelch3 it bothers me bcus "forced diversity" really means not as many white people. What does it matter either way. Nobody has problems with all black crew but today u cannot do an all white crew anymore. That sounds stupid to me
Rami Abdalla The prequels were still better than the crap trilogy from Disney. At least episode 3 opens up with one of the best scene in all of Star Wars. Massive capital ships slugging it out and no force political messages.
I agree. It's all about believability. Diversity for diversity sake is ridiculous. People have to earn their spot, not just get the role because of diversity.
The models used in the original films did use parts from model kits available at the time but they were only used to add little greeblies (surface details) to models that were built from scratch.
Remember when classic movie heroines went through a little thing called "character development"? Ripley was just as afraid of the Xenomorphs as everyone else, but faced down the Queen when Newt's life was in danger. Leia already knew what she was fighting for, but seeing first-hand the cruelty of the Empire, the death of her whole world, and people she considered comrades dying before her eyes strengthened her resolve. Sarah Connor had to watch as the man she loved gave his life protecting her from a single-minded almost unstoppable killing machine, and avenged him by destroying the thing herself and protecting her son so that he could achieve his destiny. No SJW-agenda'd character in the history of *ever* has these kinds of traits. They are *always* fully-formed, want to do the right thing with no motivation, are better at everything than everyone, and will always be proven right even in scenarios where everything in their established universe says that they are wrong. Text-book Mary Sues, the lot of them...
@ChrisTuckerexpress Exactly, that's why The Incredibles 2 was good even with the SJW shit stuffed down our throats. It was believable and well-written character development. Though, I was still biased by the underlying fact of why it was made that way that took some of the enjoyment away from watching it lol
The problem you don't see is that most male characters are conceived in exactly the same way- fully formed, want to do the right thing with no motivation, better at everything than everyone, and will always be proven right. Men only notice Mary Sues, but are blind to the prevalence of Gary Stus in genre fiction.
@ChrisTuckerexpress We never see any of the characters you mention being trained. We presume they've been trained...we don't question their competency, we assume they are competent. Gender is probably the factor in that, since the same effect has been clocked to death in modern work environments. Women have to prove themselves, men have to disprove themselves.
@@lynxminx4 Dafuq you spouting mate. We don't need to see them being trained. There are plenty of ways to establish a fully formed believable badass character. From their demeanour, to the way they carry themselves with experience. Every little detail counts. You can even give them a rep or make them look seasoned. Plenty of ways to establish someone's badassery
A few years ago they showed Alien in a special screening. I saw it for them first time on the big screen. It was a stunning experience. So much better than watching it on a monitor or TV. And Joe is 100% right: the effects still hold up today.
No one fucking talks about this, they literally iced Akbar. The best admiral in the rebellion, Disney has done a worse job with Star Wars than George Lucas did with the prequels.
The icing of Akbar perfectly encapsulate the flaw of the new trilogy: replace cool and original characters and story arcs and with boring and political ones.
@@Sceptre1 That's the problem. Akbar was as far away from white male trope as you can get. In fact, he is a rare example of well developed non-human passable alien character whom normally you would expect to never be developed in the main stream shows and movies especially after Jar Jar Binks. Indeed, Admiral Akbar is a true rare gem of a character in the contemporary entertainment industry. So, if Lucasfilm was really about diversity, then Akbar rising above jobber as a character is as diverse as a character can get in film and shows nowadays. But, nope. This irreplaceable gem gets hastily shitcanned before his story arc can reach its natural conclusion because someone with power and money needs the vehicle to push some boring nauseating mundane toxic modern political soap box. What grinds my gears further is they won't even off him with respect; instead they kill him off with a 1 sec explosion out of nowhere exactly like a jobber character. There is plenty opportunities in the Last Jedi to give Akbar a proper send off. For example, how about have him die taking fire from the Dreadnought so Poe can take out its guns instead of the Nonsensical Braindead Contradicting Plot armor canon "non-excuse" for Poe to take out the Dreadnought's laser batteries. I mean, seriously! How does laser batteries designed to defend against incoming fighters somehow can't shoot straight when fighters are on top of them make a shred of sense? Who wrote this retarded script? Man. I swear every time I revisits any detail of this travesty in my head it felt like Palpatine's "Unlimited Power" is coursing through my veins with Ruin Johnson's maniac laughter intensifying in the background.
Donald Smith You’re just copy-pasting it’s so cringey. If the only character trait of someone is that they’re a woman or they’re black, THEYRE A SHITTY CHARACTER. AKA, Holdo, Rey, Even fucking POE is an awful character.
My 10 and 12 year old kids are always complaining how Disney screwed up Star Wars and Marvel. At least Jon Farveau seems to have some creative freedom with The Mandalorian, get him on the podcast and ask why he gets to do it right and Kathleen Kennedy and Co. screw everything else up.
No one alive today will ever experience going to a theatre and being blown away... How lucky are all these folks who had this once in a lifetime experience?
Exactly right. You make a great point. In the 79 Alien film, Sigourney Weaver was a strong character and wasn't the "damsel in distress" from what was once seen on the big screen. Carrie Fisher's Princess Leia is another good example, she was tough and fierce on screen. The audience loved her smart whit and attitude and she interacted with the other characters on screen. Linda Hamilton is another example of a strong female lead. Then we look at the Last Jedi, that story was so blatantly ANTI male characters and full of Social Justice B.S., from how Holdo and Leia treated the male characters, to how Rey was written. HUGE piece of cinematic trash.
@@marialentini6556 Sarah Connor was basically a damsel in distress in the first movie being hunted by the Terminator a big hulking body builder (Arnold Schwarzenegger) being defended by Kyle Reese (Michael Biehn). And it progresses into a love story then at the end of the movie after Kyle sacrifices himself leaving her on her own seemingly helpless she get the Terminator under the hydroponic press and delivers one of the many awesome bad-ass one liners in the movie. "Your Terminated Fucker!" Killing this unstoppable machine. She then in the sequel becomes a bad-ass warrior mum, escaping a metal hospital, getting buff and super strong and being one of the two heavy hitters defending her son. Not giving up even as the T-1000 tortures her. Don't forget this is the woman who trains her son to be the warrior to win a war against and AI intelligence. No small feat. She "competes" with both Arnold and Kyle Reese in these movies and still comes off as bad-ass. Also Ripley in Alien 2 was in a movie out-shinning Michael Biehn in the movie as well as this is the one where she killed the Alien Queen. So there's that.
That's the part that always confuses me(and makes me laugh) about these social justice, forced diversity advocates .... They rant and rail against stereotypes and labeling and then choose characters that are completely stereotypical to play roles that aren't ... AND then badly apply stereotypes to all the other roles as well. Laura Dern's character was a painfully stereotypical female character, and the problem with that is NOT that she is female, but that it isn't the type of person that would rise to that level of command or power.
IF YOU REPLACE GENERAL HOLDO WITH A DUDE, DO THE PROBLEMS GO AWAY? IF YOU REPLACE LEIA WITH A DUDE, DO THE PROBLEMS GO AWAY? Maybe the problem is the writing, not "feminism". What kind of a snowflake do you have to be to think calling out a dude for BS is anti-male.
@@upstream5316 hahaha free masons? they aren't some magical power group. my grandfather is a mason. i work with a free mason. it's not illuminati. go visit a temple.
@@lolwtnick4362 There are many levels within the order. At least 33. Your grandfather is probably a nice man but that doesn`t mean the organisation is decent. I don`t know his level but usually those of high rank are those with money, power, influence.
Thank you! I'm proud of Joe for acknowledging that Laura Dern would not be the leader of anything. Not to mention she is keeping Vital Information from her most important pilot and possibly best soldier in the resistance. There was no reason to keep Poe in the dark and then act surprised when he doesn't just sit down and shut up. The women in the film, were just disrespectful and given positions of power that they did not earn.
@Happy 2BeHere So Joe is not his _own_ man, rather he is PR Spokesman for his sponsors. Explains why AJ (one of his best friends and also a de facto shill) is no longer allowed on the show.
I’m with you. Despite not having impeccable special effects and even being a little cornbally at times, I still find the underlying message to be entirely relevant. The character motivations hold up well, as does Williams’ film score and I still find most of its visuals to be incredibly beautiful, despite growing up in the 90s and early 2000s with plenty of CGI to “spoil” me. I think that with the exception of a few good films, very few blockbusters come out now that will have a lasting resonance with their audience compared to Star Wars; the reason for that is there being something deeper underlying the series itself that people connect with on not just an emotional, but also psychological and even philosophical and existential level. But I’m just a cornball nerd, if you can’t tell 🤓
I'm fortunate to come from hartlepool in n e England and ridley and Tony Scott both went to our art college, in 1979 we had an amazing display of parts of the prometheus interior and also some real terrifying creature props from the movie
Sigourney Weaver in Alien, Trinity from the Matrix, and Linda Hamilton as Sarah Connor in Terminator 2 are perfect examples of fierce female characters, who were so badass in their roles. Why? Because one, they can act, and second, they were not forced down our throats by some SJW political nonsense like the crap we are seeing today. Funny how all three of those flicks were hugely successful classics, and the Last Jedi flopped, embarrassing the Star Wars Franchise.
What's "funny" about some movies doing well and others not? That's just what happens since movies have existed. How many action movies with male stars fail critically and commercially every year and this conversation never happens?
Oz Lee saying that there are movies that fail with male stars doesn’t negate the idea that characters must be well written for a movie to increase its chances of success.
Oz Lee no ones denying men characters can fail. Idiot people are pointling out the bs forced female characters and telling everyone who doesnt like it is sexist. No one is called sexist when a male character fails in a movie so stfu.
The thing about movies like Aliens, Halloween, Terminator, Scream, etc. is that they had strong female characters but didn't have to TELL YOU they had strong female characters. They had no agenda despite the fact that at the time they actually were accomplishing something. The women just WERE strong and brave and those are really the best role models. If you have to point out things to the audience on purpose then your message loses it's value.
"Why focus on making a good movie with well writen characters and a good plot when you can just throw some shit on a screen? Lol" -Some Disney guy probably
Out of all of the disney star wars films rogue one is the only competent one. That is probably due to it being a prequel and they already knew what had to happen. Last jedi is easily the worst star wars film I have seen followed up by the nostalgia bomb that was the force awakens.
Jack Smith I liked Rogue One because it had that dark grittiness of a war movie and it wasn’t all focused around the Jedi. I don’t recall any diversity being pushed either.
@@jaysson1151For sure it was a badass scene and flows perfectly into a new hope. The action felt really star warsy as well like old star wars. It honestly gave me hope for the rest of the star wars movies to come since I found force awakens to be rather lackluster and carried mostly on its nostalgia and excellent visuals. Too bad they squandered that with the abysmal last jedi.
The last film I can honestly recall watching and thinking to myself at the time (holy fuck this is the future of cinema) is avatar. I'm sure when the first star wars came out (I wasn't born then) people thought the same. But as Joe said it's all smoothed off to make it palatable. There aren't many films that leave you walking out the cinema thinking holy shit and leave you thinking about it I'm detail for the next week anymore. So many classic films are being remade to be forcefully diverse that it's just... perverse.
You know what is funny. Bloody Wizard of Oz from 1938 had a much stronger and believable female lead in its role that never reverted to trying to make some kind of political or gender statement and she was a way better character than anything that Disney and Star Wars of the 2010's ever produced and men and women loved that film. Please explain to me how ONLY now are they bringing that "Successful" formula to screen as stated by so many feminists and SJW?
explain how Disney is making a political gender statement? Where is your proof as to me it seems it is just your opinion based on your own biases against women and minorities.
they couldn't of made the last jedi any worse, not only did Kathleen kennedy force feminism down our throat but Rian johnson destroyed it completely by implementing he's own "ideas" that ruined everything star wars had created, I've never been more upset and disappointed after watching it... total slap in the face to star wars fans
Kylo will 'self transition' by castrating himself with a light saber. We'll also find out that Obi Wan self-castrated himself previously, and was the 'mother' of General Gender Studies Holdo.
Rian Johnson has a punchable face he fucked up Star Wars all of the questions i was wondering from the Force Awakens were thrown out the godamn window fuck Rian, JJ Abrams should of been the director of The Last Jedi
I'm a huge fan of the first trilogy, so much so, I felt sooooo honored to fly (pilot) an X-Wing on a mission via PSVR. The Rouge One mission on Battlefront sooooo freaking awesome. I wish to fly the death star mission from the first movie episode IV. My favorite Movie of the franchise is 'Rouge One' and my favorite characters of the entire series is Chirrut Imwe and Qui-gon Jinn.
Seriously Alien still does it’s job well, the suspense and jump scares are still effective . Alien and Predator hold up better than almost all other movies.
I find both _Princess_ Leia and Ellen Ripley to be perfectly “fierce” female characters who stand on their own merit; Ripley especially who was _incredibly_ well written. (Another example being Sarah Connor in Terminator 2, badass without feeling forced.) Now everything’s about “inclusivity” and “female empowerment” where media’s priding itself for being _”nuanced”_ by writing these “strong female characters” who seem utterly one dimensional with hollow motivations and baseless abilities... I don’t care what a character looks like or identifies as, what is valuable (and viable) is when they’re well-written and essentially believable in the context of the film (whether realistically or stylistically). Let’s have more of those, Hollywood... *EDIT:* to the vocal quotient of those up in arms about my use of the term “fierce”... Please note that I put it in quotations for a reason; I’m using the term somewhat ironically within the context of how we generally see _female characters_ written in film, not as the literal definition of _ferocious._ For future reference, when people use “quotations” in speech, they’re typically alluding to the fact that the word they’re using is meant to be taken within a particular context, including but not limited to irony 🤓
@@bighands69 Star Wars has always been about diversity. From the Cantina scene and onwards. Have you seen the senate in that universe? What the hell are you people talking about? You know things are going right when the worst thing you can complain about are fictional sci-fi characters.
@@cagnazzo82 "star wars has always been about diversity. From the cantinas scene..." Name one important character from the cantina scene that isn't a white Male, idiot. Those movies were about diversity as much as they were about drug use among teens in America. How can anyone possibly think star wars was always about diversity when it's more so about the heros journey jesus fuckin christ
Laura Dern's character was PAINFUL to watch because she was so unbelievable as a commander (I felt embarrassed for Disney). She reminded me of the fairy godmother from the Wizard of Oz... so demure and soft. I'm not saying women cannot be leaders, so hopefully people don't misconstrue my words. At least when Carrie Fisher is commanding, she attempts to portray some confidence.
Scott Glenn, who played Commander Bart Mancuso in the Hunt for the Red October, studied a real submarine commander's speech and mannerisms and replicated that performance onscreen. That kind of authenticity can only come from a careful study of the real thing. I guarantee Laura Dern didn't spend any time with real admirals preparing for the role, nor was she even asked to do so by Rian Johnson.
To me she just came across as arrogant and obnoxious, and the plot was bent towards artificially making her a hero rather than her actually _being_ a hero. She spends the whole movie talking down to Poe because he's a #whitemale because that's what the scriptwriter wanted to happen, not because it makes any sense.
@@SerMattzio What? Good God..talk about LOOKING for an issue. You are saying that Poe, a hero by the end, was just cast as a white male so that some Feminist SJW commentary could be made? WTF? Listen to yourself. There is simply no rationale when the movie is taken as a whole. Either Poe is supposed to be the "bad white guy" or he's a hero. Pick and choose to fit your narrative if you must, but hopefully, most people see through that BS.
Darin Preston She explicitly says to him “I’ve met plenty like you. You’re a flyboy. You’re impulsive, dangerous...and the last thing we need right now.” Imagine the dialogue was to a female pilot from a male commander and smugly said “I’ve met a lot like you. You’re a flygirl. Emotional, passive and the last thing we need right now.” Sexist, right? The film then dedicates a whole act to a completely bizarre and sudden “rich people are all soullessly evil” subplot AND then goes back to Leia shooting Poe (merely because he is a man and he can’t understand Holdo’s genius insane plan). Leia and Holdo then laugh at Poe condescendingly and smugly state that they “like him” as if he’s a pet gerbil. The old Leia wouldn’t have just shot Poe like a total b*tch and then laughed about it. She would have been fair to both characters. The reason she immediately took Holdo’s side was because the scriptwriters wanted to make him look stupid and then have two female leads laughing at this straw man for masculinity. Again, imagine a male commander shot a female Poe and then spent 10 minutes laughing with another man over her body about how "sweet" she is. Feels wrong, doesn't it? So yes, I would say the narrative of the film is clearly and obviously bent towards politicised BS. It’s not even a subtext.
Donald Smith, seriously. I wouldn't blink if the roles were reversed. Has anyone seen Battlestar Galactica? Starbuck was exactly that, and Adama brought her to tears on many occasions while he gave her well-deserved verbal smackdowns. No one cared then. They wouldn't care now. I just don't understand this hypersensitive culture of men. Where did they come from?
The forced SJW themes in The Last Jedi would have been somewhat forgivable if the rest of the film hadn't been such a mess. The long slow chase, the pointless side quests that did nothing but pad the runtime, etc. And of course Luke Skywalker being written completely out of character. JJ Abrams has his hand full trying to make a sequel to that turd. Let's just ignore it like Highlander 2.
My only response to that is Star Wars Episode 1: The Phantom Menace. What Lucas wanted for Star Wars was not always in the best interest of the franchise...
SJW themes, presented in an awkward and forced way. You either saw them or you didn't. And like them or not, there are more effective and subtle ways to push an agenda. Wall-E for example had a few environmental and societal sub-themes, and they were presented masterfully compared to The Last Jedi.
@@RyanKentBarnhart A. Awkward does not mean forced. But since we know the entire movie sucked why is that part the force? Why can't the themes be just not well written themes?? And you literally just repeated forced. That's not defining force. "You either saw them or you didn't" but you just said it was forced, if it's forced I'd be forced to see it. But as you just said I'm not. Lol B. So because there are better ways it's forced? So by your logic only the best aren't forced?? Wall e was not at all subtle. It was kind of the entire fucking backdrop of the universe. C. You still have not shown me the force. In fact you just prove that any diversity is force to you. But lack of diversity isn't forced right? Funny historically there's been a real force against diversity but now put a black guy in a lead role then you feel forced. Smh
