Yup, sir, Don King called, says he wants his polyester pimpsuit back . Bareknuckles- is it going too far ? Is it okay if fighters are left with lifelong, permanent injuries ? Or is the gritty equivalent of a prison yard brawl your thing ?
say what bare knuckles is for real street fighters brawlers Real men real women etc. I’d do it if I had the money to support myself after getting my brains knocked in but need them so can’t 🤣
He's playing the role of a promoter, the promoter is supposed to be hated especially by the fighters, he's the "boss". Dana White recently denied someone a UFC contract saying he wasn't happy the guy went for a takedown with 10secs left in the fight b/c it wasn't exciting or he wasn't fighting hard enough. That same fighter that was denied a contract for "not fighting hard enough or not exciting enough" posted himself pissing blood on social media.
@@nottheoriginalhandle what he is saying is that if you hit the front of a human skull with your bare hand, your hand breaks, guys skull is fine, no concussion. Unlike when you wear a glove, your hand is fine, guy gets a concussion. Cuts and broken hands can heal, but a concussion?
Herb Dean is a legend, he has saved alot of fighters from permanent damage. Yeah he has made some questionable calls, but when a fighters life is in your hands you tend to always go with your gut, and he has done enough fights to know better than you and me
As much as you hate to see it, it’s always better to call it too early than too late. We all want to be entertained, but not at that great of an expense. Herb has saved years of more people’s lives than some doctors. Lol
@UCeb_WUVIKGagV2UiGT7MQMQ what the actual fuck is wrong with you you sick fuck, the fighters don't wanna fucking hurt eachother and noone wants to see that, fighting is just a job to many of them and they rely on the ref to keep the other fighter and themselves safe. Every fighter has a family and friends that would miss them. If you want to see people get killed, go to a psychologist, you've been watching too many movies.
@@BKFC If Bare Knuckle would have caught on it would have happened already. We saw what happened to past bare knuckle organizations. Casual viewers don't tune in or show up, there is a lack of fighters, fighter longevity is low, and the purse isn't ever worth it. Stop trying to wake the dead.
There's a reason they have to DROP THE GLOVES in a hockey fight. Gloves add weight and lead to the blow covering a much larger area on the head, which means the brain is getting slammed harder than with a bare fist. Bare fists lead to more damage to the tissue but less damage to the brain. Add to all of this that gloves protect the hands and you have a fighter willing to put everything behind his punch because the threat of serious damage to the hands is mitigated. Yes, bare knuckle fighting leads to more lacerations, but I'd rather have a few cuts on my face than a concussion, brain bleed or CTE at a young age.
Lol that's not why they drop the gloves in hockey. Hockey gloves are built significantly different to gloves used in fighting the only point of them is to protect your hands from sticks. They drop them becuase the gloves are a hindrance in a fight and you cant properly punch someone. Hockey fights is all together a bad comparison to professional fights though as the main goal is to get the other guy to the ice rather than fully knock him out due to risks of heads hitting the ice etc plus in like 95% of them only 2 or 3 punches land square the rest are typically glancing blows or miss all together. That being said I dont watch any fights other than hockey so could be totally wrong about the differences.
No dude no offense bro but it's obvious you've never been in a real fight. No gloves is stupid in so many ways a little education goes a long way. Pettis broke both hands in the first few minutes of his fight completely absurd.
@@reinaldocaraballo4657 that’s just improper technique because of reliance on gloves, and lack of conditioning that’s where pugilism and bare knuckle boxing shine they actually know how to throw proper punches cause if they don’t theyre hands get fecked.
Bareknuckle is not a new sport, considering it was a very popular sport back in the wild west. Bareknuckle is also very different because you can't punch the same as padded boxing, haymakers and hooks can't land to the side of the head because you will damage your hand too much. Jackie Chan talks about a fight he had where he punched someone in the face and had his opponents tooth, embedded into his fist down to near his hands bone.
This is all very similar to the various levels of fencing. From like Olympic style with masks and blunt tips, to kendo, to HEMA, through mixtures of all; armored or not armored, grappling allowed or not, live blades... It all changes significantly the techniques used and the pace.
The big trade off between bare knuckle and gloves is literally cuts vs. concussions. Any skin to skin contact has a certain degree of adhesion and when bare knuckle meets face there is a high chance that the face gets literally ripped open. Gloves mitigate that chance, but since the hand isn't breaking as much your hand essentially becomes a club and concussions have a higher chance of happening. Generally if you're given a choice between cut and concussion you should want to go with the cut, but if you do you run the risk of infection and a whole slew of other problems.
This is similar to what’s going through my head. Who knows, could be that bare knuckle results in less concussions because of the nature of how this changes fighting style, and the types of impacts the fighters are exposed to. It’s similar to the conversation on rugby vs football. Helmets allow you to take more hits which exposes you to a greater volume of harmful impacts. Also, in rugby since there isn’t as much protection they must adapt their tackle mechanics, a training technique that’s been adopted by footballers due to concussions. I’m a fight fan, martial artist, and concussion specialist. So naturally I’m very interested by the fact this sport has emerged given all the controversy on brain health out there. I’ve got a million questions. Infection is an interesting point. Since bare knuckle results in higher risk of blood contamination (since the knickers are exposed), are the BNB considering the risks of exposing opponents to certain bloodborn diseases? Although I bet stuff like this is covered well in their contracts. Too bad Joe will never see this comment, he could probably tell us.
@@joshrobertson1779 I would hope that it would all be prevented and accounted for due to being regulated but the founder seems like the kind of guy that honestly doesn't care too much beyond *looking* legitimate. EDIT: Also regarding American football/rugby, you also have to take into account the difference in size of the players. Hits in football are a far sight more dangerous than in rugby for so many reasons.
The UFC will turn into fights stopped early because of cuts and broken hands. There is no way in hell the UFC medics would let a guy get as fucked up as the guy with stitches all over his face. Where do you draw the line on "reality" Why have any rules?
@@joshrobertson1779 There's a lot more going on with hits between football and rugby. For one, the actual contact rules are different, IE spear tackles/checks are illegal in rugby and only the ball carrier can be checked. The nature of the games is different as well. Football is considered a game of inches. Stopping a guy on the spot is important because literally an inch can determine whether there's a punt and/or change of possession, or a new set of downs and/or a touchdown. This results in much more violent collisions. Rugby, being a much more free flowing game, this isn't nearly as important. Hell, giving the ball carrier a couple inches so that your team is in better position to gain possession is actually encouraged.
The gloves appear to be reducing the amount of cuts the fighters receive based on what I’ve seen so I guess you could say they do more then just protect the fighters knuckles.
Wow I swear I've always been curious as to this guy's story simply because he didn't look like the most athletic guy but he was entrusted to STOP these monsters incase the got TOO PHYSICAL. He must me a legend .
Depending on the contract they agreed to, it might actually be legal. The UFC has a clause in their contract basically making throwing a fight a breach of contract.
@@splashman2235 You clearly haven't gotten your eyes checked in some time. Lord Artem, the king of combat and the GOAt Lobov has never felt defeat. He delivers defeat.
I like the point made by Joe, that fighting with out padded knuckle make you think about self preservation. Similarly if NFL players did not have helmets and pads they would have to play the game different or your career would be shorted dramaticlly
I have a Scottish friend and he said the same analogy between American football in Rugby. He said since they don't wear pads in rugby they don't hit as hard as you think they do, and definitely don't hit as hard as Football players, who can hit hard because they have pads and helmets
Yeah in football they use their helmets like weapons and lead with their heads a lot. You have a false sense of security with a helmet. I honestly think it would be a safer sport if they removed pads. Players would have to tackle properly
At the end of the day, most sports are dangerous. Its up to the athletes to decide if they wanna participate or not. Nobody’s forcing anyone to fight without gloves, thats the choice the fighters made.
@Jesus is Fake because the gloves typically protect your knuckles and not the other person not sure how many fights you've been in but just from experience
If you ever smashed someone in the face and caught your knuckles across their teeth and get a big gash you would know right away well at least once the adrenaline wears off
@Jesus is Fake by padding your hands you can strike at full force at the top of the head, who contains the brain - causing, on the long run, permanent brain injury
the bkfc clips are probably some the most insane things on RU-vid. They are so brutal, but not going to lie find myself reacting out loud to the ko's. next level achieved
I think fighters should wear padding on their heads, with installed impact sensors, the idea is you reduce the actual damage done to the brain and replace it with indicated damage from the sensors. Registering a few concussive blows wins the fight or registering a knock out blow wins the fight (could do similar with the torso). I would like to see something similar with joints, but that would be very bulky i imagine.
@POOR PIRANO True that there would be a lot less strikes landing, but those that do land are much more devastating. Take Evangelista Santos vs Michael Venom Page for example.. Santos took a career-ending knee to the forehead that literally crushed his skull. A punch isn't going to do that.
I use to box an transition to mma just fine there a couple difference such as ducking your head. But boxing does work in a street fight a golden gloves will eat any street fighter alive hell even some mma fighter if he's able to keep it standing
Ok I have fought in the street and in a match with and without gloves while I don't agree with the rules I do wish bare knuckle boxing is more common because despite common belief gloves make knockouts easier because it puts more weight into your hands and extends your reach.when you have extended reach you have an easier time knocking the chin around and more weight means heavier punches.when your bare knuckle all that's potentially risky is knuckles can cut more often.the entire reason that UFC doesn't go gloveless any more is because the common people don't understand gloves actually provide more risk towards brain damage and life threatening injury but because the gloves are padded so therefore they are safer than bare knuckle
less people will train or watch fighters who have become ugly because of broken noses and scars on the face, no pretty boy mayweather, no sex symbols, people want the fantasy of looking cute when fighting. old school fighters all had broken noses.
Joe always wanted no gloves so its interesting how he changed positions after it actually happened but maybe MMA could be different since the grappling would increase while decreasing the punches landed.
UFC started with no rules, no gloves, no weight classes. The first match was like a heavy weight or something vs a fucking sumo wrestler. The sumo got kicked in the face and had a tooth knocked out.
@@seanclements6206 that is not a good argument. At the end of the day, you don't want your fighter with broken hands all the time. That is bad for business.
@@MrRJC1991 I'm not for or against it. I am pointing out you literally stated the argument in itself. Do you want the fights as is or do you want fighters to take more consideration for each punch they throw because they might shatter a metacarpal.
@Terry Dermott that could be true. But I have also heard that bigger gloves are worse for the brain. Because you take more shots to the head in order to be knocked out
There is reason gloves were invented in boxing,your hands will eventually be destroyed over time,the top of the skull is incredibly hard,bare knuckle fighting will take its toll,eventually a boxer hands will be crippled,that they won’t be able to hold a fork..The ancient Greeks invented boxing,but I’m sure like MMA,that in that era there was some kind of padding on the hands..
dana knows that action isn’t going to happen 24/7 tho. obvi he’s always on the lookout for exciting fighters, but not as bad as BKFC where he’s going to take half the fighters’ money for not being exciting enough lmao
I should stop talking before I give away any secrets, but there's money to be scooped out of thin air most people just don't know where to look for it, I don't "Get hired"
"they would fight that way in a walmart parking lot," is probably the best quote by Joe Rogan other than "THEY DON'T GIVE FERRARIS AWAY SON THEY MAKE EM' BY HAND."
The comment section: "UFC doesn't get paid much", "bare knuckles boxing is/isn't more dangerous" Me: not even the point of the clip. The point of the clip is that the employer is not giving an inch of room for the employee to do their job. So basically these fighters go through what you go through at work...a manager that has never worked your position trying to micro manage you. These fighters need breathing room to work their strategy to with the fight...but the employers don't care about that, they simply want both fighters to engage as quickly, and recklessly as possible for excitement.
Thank You! When doing this, technique is everything! Of course this is bareknuckle boxing, and boxing in general, so someone is bound to get hurt, but attempting to mitigate super-serious and threatening injuries by way of advanced and precise techniques should be mandatory. If you wanna see fast, bloody action, watch a cock-fight, because maybe the real people fighting for their money and wages first and other’s amusement as a close second don’t want to be treated like pit-animals of whom are being told something along the lines of “you don’t fight, ya don’t eat”.
Bkfc is just raw and real and looks like it’s filmed in someones grandparents garage , the fighters are unique snd some of them look like every day people which would also appeal to viewers , my fave part about bkfc is not only the absolute warriors that fight until the end but the sportsmanship and the respect between the fighters is nothing like over ever seen, it’s like every one of them is already best mates and they fighting eachother out of love and respect . They also don’t all wear wraps on their hands joe joe it’s upto the fighter.
Sometimes I want to learn how to fight, just so I have the ability to hospitalise someone at the first opportunity. And the craziest part is if it's ever caught on video, they'll be fighting for their life and I'll be respected by the masses.
something wrong with you dawg, like did you not read that out loud? craziest part is you put someone in the hospital you catching a case and getting sued, have fun being famous for 10 minutes tho
@@TreyIrwin if I get in to a fight with anyone, I wouldn't be the one to instigate it. The fact remains that if they're not the one in hospital, then I am. Given how everyone seems to be talking about the subject, there's no respect earned in being hospitalised after losing a fight. You're considered weak, a pussy, someone who can't take a hit, someone who needed to be humbled by a better man, as in the one who knocked you down. Rather than it be an infortuq the thing, you're to blame for losing rather than the other being to blame for beating you up.
Would love to see a “team” match women’s division on up to Heavyweight between UFC and BKFC fighters in those divisions in bare knuckle fights. Much like an amateur boxing team match. Would be very interesting to see the results. My money would be on the BKFC team. The mma fighters catch hell in there until they get used to it. Something tells me Dana wouldn’t touch it with a 10 foot pole and Dave Feldman would jump at it. I think it would sell a ton of ppv’s . We would see just who are the baddest people on the planet in classic fist fighting style.
It works like this in muy thai they bet money in between rounds for kos and then they tell the fighter they'll get bonus if they ko their opponent the next round.
Has anyone else thought about how there is now a high chance of aids if they're both bare knuckle fighting with open wounds that's a high chance of blood mixing
@Evan Grimm Yeah but aids takes months to fully develop and be noticed like say for example you have aids and you get tested that week they still wouldn't know
DiBBagE they do have aids tests in boxing and mma, in the fight contract you agree that you don’t have anything as such and that you were tested accordingly schedule.
@@dibbage That's not true lol. HIV can be detected from the moment you've contracted it. It's sad to see people upvoting you who clearly know close to nothing about HIV/AIDS.
No that shit was trash now when you look back on it. And the first couple UFC events with Royce Gracie were fixed , it's been known for years that they were fixed lol
People forget that bare knuckle boxing was huge and was all over in the 1800s early early 1900s and before. There are still underground pit fights going on today.
a year before this joe rogan was talking about how gloves don’t do anything and how it should be bare knuckle. i literally just watched the video and it gave me this as a suggestion. i’m confused 🤷♀️
I don't think it should be solely boxing. I feel that it should be integrated into MMA rather than solely hitting with fists. Like Joe said, we don't pad knees and elbows, but we also don't fight with just our knees and elbows, it's nonsensical.
. The problem with boxing are the gloves, because they exist punches to the head are more prone shaking your brain inside leading to brain damage. Some gonna say so shit like “the human skull was meant to take impact”. Hears the thing, your neck is what bends when talking the force. If you put beans in a metal container and punch it the container isn’t broken but the beans inside still shake .
Bare knuckles increase the chance of breaking one's fist when striking bone (like the skull), which tends towards fewer punches thrown at the head and reduced power for the ones that are. The fights also tend to be shorter, ending in fewer hits. Additionally, bare knuckles precludes the possibility of loaded wraps and such. There's plenty of information out there. Do a web search if you don't believe me.
