His eyebrows raise constantly, this my friends is the equivalent to us blinking. When you read as much as this man, wasting time blinking is detrimental to the speed of knowledge intake.
one thing I really appreciate about the show, regardless of all the drama, is we can have people who aren't famous but dedicated their whole lives to something, tell us the ins and outs of their discoveries - in spite of discredit from mainstream scientists
A very unbelievable to many but a very true story is that I met Robert Schoch's aunt about 10 years ago in Virginia. I worked for AAA at the time and went to handle a damage claim not knowing who she was until I recognized his picture sitting on a table in her living room. She was an absolutely wonderful and extremely educated women. We talked about history, as well as her nephew for over an hour. I learned from our conversation that his family goes all the way back to our country's founding and one of his great great grandfathers was a general that fought alongside George Washington. There was a large painting of him in his colonial uniform hanging on her living room wall. And now learning his grandmother was a Theosophist is really Fascinating. Probably her mother.
That’s insaneeee - Schoch was a professor of mine in college and he was probably one of the kindest most interested people I’ve ever met. I would just go to his office hours just to talk to him because he was so cool.
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“My friend got a 4 year degree in Egyptology, but couldn’t find a job after graduating. So he went back to school, spent more money and time to get his PHD so he could become a professor and teach Egyptology. This profession is literally a pyramid scheme.” -not my joke, but awesome
dude, I've read this story, and not for the first time, so either you telling it everywhere or the fate of all egyptologists is doomed due pharaonic curse
I had the good fortune to watch this complete episode when it was still available on RU-vid. I can honestly say that this was one of the very best episodes that Rogan has ever done. I had never heard to Prof. Robert Schoch before. But as the conversation unfolded, and Prof. Schoch began to explain his views in his sincere and unassuming style, I was spellbound! The idea that prehistoric cave drawings owe their similarities to solar atmospheric effects during the SIDA is fascinating. I wish the entire episode would be restored to RU-vid.
I watched it back when it was first aired too, I had totally forgot about the solar plasma storms theory he explained……i was glued to my screen the entire time…..just a slight difference from Hancock/Carlson view of meteor impact. Who knows. But yeah, it was a great episode.
1.) I love this guy. 2.) This is a great example of why Joe’s podcasts are great. He can sit and listen to a smart guest right along with us and not keep talking over them every 2 seconds like Stern does.
Smart? Schoch is a compete nut ! His theories, excuse the pun, do not hold water. He makes money pushing more and more ridiculous assertions without any evidence to back them up.
Mystery of the Sphinx opened my eyes to history in 6th grade my Teacher of World History played the whole documentary for us. I was illuminated and exhilarated with new found knowledge. It still stands to this day ,one of the best docs ever!
@@sungirl9951 I don't see why history ends up being a 'shock'. Like with westerners finding the Americas. The vikings did it before columbus, probably someone else before them aswell. It doesn't really change anything, it's just new information.
@@zhain0 The professionals who determine what the history of the pyramids are have made their entire careers claiming history is as they say it. Any contradictory evidence is dismissed. I'd imagine the next generation of archeologists will be more objective. This is what has consistently occurred through known history. Everyone's 100% correct until someone proves them wrong.
Excellent presentation. Robert Schoch is dead on and presents his position eloquently. I miss John Anthony West very much. We are much older then the academics want us to believe. History is due for a very large rewrite. Thank you Joe Rodan.
They want us to believe the current 'consensus' because it's good for their business, but man, if they start digging more in the sahara especially in places where there used to be a ton of water/plants/animals, etc and find some artifacts, then its game over for many of them. Libya has a ton of ancient rock carvings/paintings deep into the sahara desert detailing crocodiles, elephants, giraffes, lions, basically all the animals that in sub saharan africa atm. I saw it on youtube in case you're wondering, old english documentary.
@@fluphybunny930- lol sure it doesn't. Rainfall over long periods of time. It doesn't rain everyday really anywhere in the world. So it would take time even if it rained regularly in ancient-ancient Egypt for these erosion patterns to form. Just because some create their own narrative doesn't mean they're right. Everyone knows rainfall hasn't been happening in Egypt since long before 2500 BCE. It was a dry desert 4000 BCE and before. These people have their own reasons to claim something else happened. Kinda like religious scholars making false claims about rock formations simply trying to hold on to their religious nonsense. Basically moving the goalposts constantly
I saw this in 93… I was 19, love all scoops of history and he really blew my mind. And even today I still enjoy questions and observations on just about any subject.
about a year ago, i watched that Egypt special with Dr Schoch from 1993 or so. His excitement was palpable. You can see him just giddy over the possibilities and still keeping it together and presenting his immediate findings on the scene. So wonderful to know he's been able to continue his work on this
After he published his findings Egyptologists lost their shit so they had a giant debate organized between hard science geologists and social science Egyptologists , dozens on both sides arguing this and the geologists basically whipped their asses because they had the solid evidence not theories and in the ensuing years a small temple out in the desert was found and dated to 7500 years ago, then they discovered a Abydos (city) underneath dynastic era Abydos that also was dated to around 7500 years ago, in line with Dr Schoch's earlier conservative dating on the age of the Sphynx based on erosion of 7000-9000 years old, as pointed out 5000 years ago and older the Sahara was much much wetter than now.
@@deanfirnatine7814 What a load of rubbish. \None of that is true ! The great flood model that this idiot is pushing to the gullible doesn't have a single defensible theory to its name. The geology of the site disproves it, the archaeology of the site disproves it. The remainder of what you wrote was just embarrassing. Why do so many sheep follow the same types of fringe idiots trying to make a name for themselves!
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A clear thought process? He is setting out to prove his own preconceived idea. He picks "evidence" that supports his theory and ignores anything else. His theory doesn't withstand the most basic questioning. Its a lie. Please read up on it!
Man, this is one smart cat and I love that he got his PhD from Yale and teaches at Boston University. He’s obviously a force to be reckoned with and I love and appreciate his opinion. Way to think outside the box. Thank you for sharing your insight.
@@johnstanley7874 Because the government doesn't care about raising intelligence and awareness in this country, that's the last thing they want to do, if they keep those things low then they have control over the people. I've always questioned this same thing, I truly wish we had options for intelligent people for presidents but it's obvious the US only let's dumb, corrupted, and ignorant people run for president sadly.
I remember as a kid noticing the erosion on the sphinx and wondering why all the things around it weren't eroded the same way. I lived in Florida firs 35 gears of my life where it rains a lot. I've seen the way water erodes from the top down. Its common sense honestly, it's cool to see people actually pointing that out now that we have core samples that can tell us the climatic history of our planet and actually give us a timeline
I believe him. My mother was an archaeologist. She knew it. They all do. Egyptologists know the truth... they simply do not wish to admit because it would open a lot more questions.
@@gigid9606 the truth is that the ancient Egyptians were far more advanced than the idea that they just strutted about with copper chisels and wooden rakes. I’m not saying they had flying machines and that alien crap, but they did have electrical lighting and power.
@@TheMalfean hmm can you find evidence of that? As far as I can tel la they were older and more advanced but electricity is pretty easy to find if they were using it
Dr. Robert Schoch is one courageous person, to put his academic credentials up against the mainstream dogma, & stand up to these co-called qualified professionals. The more good people, who are qualified, question these issues, the greater the chance we have, of altering the accepted paradigms. Keep up the good fight, Robert, & others.
Indeed. This is too often the only way obsolete paradigms are finally abolished by mainstream science -> one or a small group of "heretics" withstand years of a massive amount of ridicule and vigorous resistance of dogmatic (pseudo)scientists from academia...when eventually the scientific evidence of the heretics becomes harder and harder to ignore/ridicule/spin. That's why mainstream science, academia, is terrible. It's a cesspool of pseudo-scientific parasites who sabotage science and progress through their fanatism & dogmatism, their undying allegiance to scientism. Mainstream science desperately needs a renaissance, because these dogmatist have been dominating the world of academia for centuries.
Mr. Schoch lived on my street growing up and I was very good friends with his son. he was always interesting and traveling to Egypt. even his house was built in 1776
One of the biggest mysteries about Giza. Now that other geologists have looked at the Sphinx enclosure like he did, there are several theories about what caused the erosion, and how long it took.
Egypt was just about tropical back then , the Nile river ran way closer to the pyramids and has moved away due to erosion etc. But there was a vibrant water system right then. I’m sure there was humidity and rains. Makes sense. Keep the great content coming Joe ! 👍
There is evidence of a good amount of rain throughout the Sphynx's existence (built aorund 4500bc). The evidence shows that it isn't any older than what has been previously though. Schoch's has lied and lied and lied to try and make a name for himself. Not ONE of his theories has stood up to any form of questioning nor evidence.
Wow. I've seen this before but still it fills me with awe. Watching Shocke recount the moment he flipped Egyptology, and to a degree history itself, on its head is just so fulfilling.
"Know, oh prince, that between the years when the oceans drank Atlantis and the gleaming cities, and the years of the rise of the Sons of Aryas, there was an Age undreamed of, when shining kingdoms lay spread across the world like blue mantles beneath the stars." This sentence still gives me chills.
The force of a strong wind carrying sand is sufficient to overcome the force of gravity on the sand, and given that wind can come from multiple directions, it is reasonable to suggest that wind erosion would not create vertical channels in stone. Water would be affected by gravity to a far greater degree that sand is, and so would be pulled to the ground in as short and straight a path as the surface allows - in vertical channels.
I would like to congratulate Mr. Schoch. I remember this man giving a voice to a lot of us non-professional arm chair archeologists when he announced that the sphinx was far older than believed as it was a product of water erosion and not wind erosion. Well done sir. I believe there was also a structure close by that was very basic and possibly over 10,000 years old. I was stuck by the fact that it was unadorned so had no obvious place amongst Egyptian archeology. It opened my curious brain. I have always thought that pockets of civilization have risen and disappeared for many thousands of years and Egypt was not the first advanced civilization. With every year older and older civilizations are unearthed and I will always remember his voice from the video I first saw him in and heard it spoken aloud for the first time. Way to go Mr. Schoch!
There was a massive temple about the size of the smallest pyramid in Anatolia about 12,000 years ago. Jericho is almost as old. There is proof of Pre-hindu Civilization in the Indus Valley, a guess that the Indus River Valley Civilization went back to before the end of the ice age. Then there's the myths of the Xia dynasty...
Yes, a river valley civilization could not possibly build water works to cause erosion marks on these things. We have to conclude they were built before their time, because we know exactly why the Egyptians built the Sphinx and what is was for. None of these societies go back further than 5500 years ago, otherwise you have to push back human development. You are right though, pockets did arise, 5500 years ago in different areas, the Indus valley, Anatolia, Egypt, Sumer, Central America, Yellow River.
The Egyptians built a water works system around the Sphinx, likely a waterfall, bam there is your 'erosion' marks, does not require one to place society another 10 000 years into the past.
There is a ground water region below the sphinx that could rise through the porous rock via capillary action, or acidic run off from reed water during the rainy season or salt erosion within the rocks. These are all competing theories with Robert Schoch, he pretends the egyptologists are all just dogma but the fact is other theories have been proposed that have more geological evidence for them.
I always think about how civilizations, whose ruins are found so far apart and knew nothing about each other, share so much. Like the Aztec and Egyptian pyramids, pre-Alexander Greek mythology has Sphinxes, etc. Makes you wonder if the post-Ice Age civilization he talks about spread out, and built all of these civilizations...
Through the Bering land bridge 130000 years ago it is possible and likely human beings traveled to North America. There is no fossil evidence of this but there is tool use evidence in San Diego dates 130,000 years ago plus minus 8k years. Then they moved to the amazon and all died of smallpox
There was a uncontacted tribe that Rogan even talked about basically, aleins told them about there they lived and they shouldn't know this, and they told us a place where they were, it's real, there suppyto be 3 planets we only originally found 1 and the star2 after they looked there was a second and eventually a 3rd which couldn't be seen and that meant this tribe.. 1000's of years behind society knew about this star collection and these planets we didn't.
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My geology professor way back in ‘99 showed a tv program in class of a geologist talking about this theory, and the evidence is actually pretty compelling for water erosion on the body of the sphinx.
Blue Cookie Troll after he returned from Egypt in the early 90s he presented his study and hypothesis to either a national or international forum of geologists and thier consensus was in agreement with his conclusion. Thier stance as his was originally was that the dating wasn't thier problem they were geologists not egyptologists. The weathering was no different than other cases of erosion and the dating methodology was solid.
cjr1881 what what? Robert Schoch presented his theory of water Erosion on the sphinx to a group of fellow geologists and they agreed with him that yes water erosion was present on the sphinx and it wasn't thier problem if it fucked up egyptologists timeline. Honestly this guest is above your mental capacity it seems
The Sphinx was a fountain which explains the localized erosion, the pyramid could utilize ram pump functionalities, and the secret underground passages are simply water passages.
Robert Schoch is one of the crucial people who have helped the revolution into Egypt’s actual history. Because the truth is turning out to be absolutely incredible 😁
It’s not a legit theory mate. It’s fun and interesting, but actual history is just as interesting. Its been debunked very easily and has a lot of contradictions. Interesting theory non the less though
I have ALWAYS enjoyed watching / listening to Joe Rogan ..he covers all kinds of intriguing topics...yes, he is CONTROVERSIAL but if he wasn't ..I would not be interested in his content..His daring to venture into the taboo and or broader range of topics is what makes him unique and it is all very fascinating..he is not afraid to engage with guests, who perhaps he does not agree with. He doesn't come across as biased and that's what's key...to learn. .to keep an open mind..and to cover all sides of the issue. Bravo Joe.
"Controversial"? No, he isn't. That is screeching from loons on the left. He simply has discourse with all sorts of people. If people want to debate specific topics, that is fine. But it isn't "controversial".
Watched this in full 2/3 times. First time was in 2018, severely hungover on a beach in Thailand 🇹🇭 Good times. Thank you Joe and Robert 😊 Love this topic of conversation.
Listening to this made me think, if you go forward 4500 years and "Italy" is rediscovered, I could see how they might think the Forum, Colosseum, Leaning Tower, Milan, and St Peters Cathedral were all from the same short period...a few hundred years maybe. In fact they are 2500ish years separating the structures (maybe more than that is the Colosseum was built on another structure). Makes sense that even the structures on the plateau by the Nile might have been constructed hundreds if not thousands or even tens of thousands of years apart.
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Joe if you or your team reads this, your podcast is my favorite!! So interesting I love the people you bring on and it’s really opened my mind about the world we live in. Thank you for such a good podcast!!
Maybe because independent research and “conspiracy theory” are the same thing, since the only ones who use the term “conspiracy theorist” are mainstream platforms
@@goodsolonius7305 No, they are not. Conspiracy theorists usually provided lots of hearsay, rumors, very very weak "evidence" or outright wishful thinking, jump to conclusion whereas conclusion from real research has to be backed up by solid facts and evidence that other people can verify.
@@Uouttooo lmao, you obviously have done zero research on ANYTHING yourself. You just turn on CNN every night, listen to what you're told and believe it as fact and adopt it as your own opinion. So where is the proof that Iraq had WMD's? Where is the proof Osama Bin Laden was killed in 2011? Where is the proof that burning jet fuel at 600 degrees can melt steel with mp of 1500 degrees? Please don't give your opinion to other people when it is worthless due to lack of research and ignorance
So sphynx goes up at 10500 years ago during the end of the ice age, massive rains ensue not long after and the Sahara dries up, essentially to the people who lived in this time in egypt it would have been the end of the world
The sphinx was carved from the bedrock, instead of constructed from blocks of stone assembled from a quarry. The erosion of that stone began thousands of years before it was unearthed and carved. This "Theory" ignores all the other evidence around the sphinx which places it in the currently accepted timeline.
@@Audiodump no ur theory doesn't add up bcuz he mentions the erosions where in the cracks/shapes of the sphinx, that means the sphinx would have needed to be completed before all the water hitting it. If the sphinx was crafted after, then it wouldn't have erosions...which means during the making process the outer layers of the stones that had the erosions would have been carved away to form/shape the sphinx.. Example, if u carve a toy out of a tree log, u would carve it into shape stripping all the outer layers of the tree log.
@@vangxiong9643 They're talking about cracks and seams of erosion in the rock. These form when water erodes in from the outside. This does not require the rock to be carved. Seriously, this "Theory" was invented in the 1920's by a french occultist in order to match it with his Atlantean timeline. Its hot garbage and disproven by both archeologists and geologists.
He has one of those voices that is so relaxing and can put you to sleep. He should narrate those space shows like journey to the end of the universe and the mysteries of black holes. I love those shows I put them on every night to fall asleep. You should have this guy on again though he’s pretty interesting
Talking to different people in different fields it’s like reading books, you learn & you get educated, that’s why I like to listened to Joe Rogan’s podcasts.
one of my all time fave JRE podcasts, such a nice down to earth and kind hearted guy, and just the information and ideas he has about Egypt and ancient civilisations blow my mind. Genuinely likeable dude!!
I googled Robert. Wiki labels bis theory as "fringe" because this takes the complacent Archaeology universe out of their comfort zone. Same as early astronomers did.
@@jimpemberton1543- some just refuse to accept facts no matter what. It destroys their lifelong beliefs or even what their research claims are. Some just don't want to be proven wrong
I'm so glad Joe has different types of people on his podcasts. I love that he has a vast array of topics and guests. I don't really care for his MMA stuff but I pretty much love everything else. I absolutely love science, history esp ancient history, comedians, and then just different types of people sharing stories about their fascinating lives. He had the guest, Glenn Villanueva, and I never heard of him. But as I began to listen, I realized that his life story is enticing and his journey throughout. He was on a reality show about living in the wild, completely stripped of any human technology except the camera filming him. He was essentially living as a hunter-gatherer. Prior to listening to the podcast, that kind of stuff didn't really catch to much of my attention but after listening just the first few minutes I realized how interested I was on that kind of stuff. Which makes sense as I also like anthropology. I like the fact that if Joe isn't knowledgeable about something, he won't be biased or have an uneducated and/or ignorant opinion. He's pretty much neutral and will let the guest speak and educate the audience. Sometimes, Joe will have some guests that are known for their pseudoscience/pseudohistory opinions or books but it's still fascinating to listen to. Especially since science and especially history is ever evolving and changing. The reason why I wanted to write this comment, as I prefaced it with the above that's completely off topic, is how excited I was to see that Joe has, Robert Schoch, as a guest. This.man is a geologist and is respected in his field and as a scholar. Alot of mainstream egyptologists are set in their ways and what they were taught. Mainstream academia has set a chronological order and a specific story of Egypt's history of their ancient civilization. The problem with that is, throughout the years we have discovered more artifacts, and science especially with DNA and carbon dating has advanced considerably. With that, alot of things that was created as a guideline for Egypts ancient civilization now doesnt make sense and doesn't fit with the new discoveries and advancement in science. Alot of mainstream academia for ancient egypt dismisses alot because it would completely unravel what they have set forth. People like Graham Hancock who I like alot can be dismissed because he doesn't have the academia credentials and can be labeled as pseudoscience or pseudohistorian. However, someone like Robert Schoch, who is a respected geologist in his field has come out with his thesis about how the Sphinx is alot older than what Egyptologists has stated due to erosion. it's hard to dismiss him as he has the credentials to back up his thesis, and bring this to the fore front of mainstream history. I absolutely love that Joe Rogan can bring in a credible guest and educate his audience on topics like these that normally his audience wouldn't listen to.
I'm not sure why it would be such a big deal why anybody would want a cover-up new findings about archaeology, it might help us understand better who and where we came from
@@gigid9606Yeah. Unfortunately people have a vested interest in preserving what we once thought was true. They'd lose credibility, and tons of financial gain if they strayed from convention.
Joe Rogan covers so many perspectives, subjects and possibilities. Best of the best. PS. To think our narrative timeline of human existence and our insistence that we are the pinnacle of a mere few thousand year old trail is a failure to follow the evidence.
Having seen the Sphinx and the Great Pyramids and even without a geology degree I could clearly see that the Sphinx based on observable erosion is WAY older then the pyramids. You can tell just by looking at it. And the Sahara hasn’t always been a desert. There’s factual proof of that.
I agree. The Sahara was lush and green at the time of the last ice age. During the intervening years, it gradually became the desert we know today. Same with the area at the location of the sphinx.
As far as i know Sahara was green AFTER ending of ice age. It was warmer than now, more humidity in air. Ended 5000BC (or years ago). Ice age in fact was very dry, nearly no rainforests in Africa existed that days.
@@josephdockemeyer6782 it was only 5000 years ago. The Sahara blows out west to the ocean and forms deposits on the ocean floor. It has done so for millennia. We dated those deposits and found them to be only 5000 years old. It's crazy what can happen in 5000 years. The Amazon rainforest is said to have a similar age. There was a civilization containing millions of people living in the Amazon in the 1500s. We're finding their cities and buildings today. Lidar has shown a crisscrossing of settlements under the canopy.
