11 hours tops, even 11 hour night shift is pushing it, having worked 11 hour night shifts before, by the end my mind was blank and I couldn’t think about anything
It was shocking for me to learn that one of my relative when she was doing residency at hospital in Calgary Canada, she was doing 24 hours shift, at the end of shift, she drove home by herself, it scared me just to hear it, and its ongoing, not even like random days, she went back for another 24 hours shift after a 24 hours break. Insane.
I've worked 16 hour shifts when I was a nurse and some of the docs would work 24 hour shift, sleep in their vehicles and work another triple. They were not in a good mood.
There should be a 3 way balance to life everyday 8 hrs of sleep to rejuvenate your body, 8 hrs of work or other main responsibility to do and 8 hrs of free time including going to the bathroom, eating, driving, TV and phone stuff etc
In the Air Force, we have to have Commander approval for a +12 hour shift. But after 16 hours, we are no longer responsible for our own actions. Do you want an aircraft mechanic that has been in the heat for 20+ hours fixing a critical problem for YOUR next flight? How about loading bombs or working in the Air Traffic Control tower? I didn't think so. The medical profession should adopt this rule.
We have an issue with this in the Army... Soldiers operating weapons and crewing armored vehicles with little to no sleep for days and even weeks. I saw a tank almost go over a cliff during training at Ft. Knox in 2008 due to minimal crew rest.
+Pingtr1p You like the word "damn" a lot - seemingly. I think you need to first lose some "damn" weight though. Of course it won't fix the unsightly appearance between your shoulders, but still... A man needs to be healthy. The body is a man's temple, and when a man disregards his temple to such extent as you have, it is an indication of a serious lack of discipline, and a sign of a fundamentally emasculated mind. : )
Fascinating stuff. Totally concur with what they are saying about medical residents. When I was in the Navy, even during heavy training sessions simulating battle conditions, the minimum was 8 hours on, 8 hours off. The need for sleep and relaxation was paramount to our success as a unit. Why the medical profession would make a resident endure 30 hours on is mind-numbingly stupid. These are critical jobs with life-altering consequences. A major change is needed.
Not all military does it right. I worked a 12 hour shift 5 days in a row.(5 off) Which was basically a 14-16 hour shift. Wake up. Work out. Eat breakfast. Post. Return from your 12 hour shift. Eat shower and relax before bed. Sometimes we would be stuck(I was stationed in Montana) for another shift. Being up for 24 hours straight was a nightmare. The fact they were fine with us driving back was a joke. I could barley keep the vehicle straight. They are right about you basically being impaired with that much lack of sleep.
It is absolutely vital and crucial for joe to have people like this on his podcast. Not only are we being enlightened, but this information could legitimately save yours or a loved ones life, very grateful for some of the guests on here
@@stevebia7063 Nah, there's no one-size-fits-all solution to sleep just like there isn't one for diet. My dad has averaged 5h of sleep every night for as long as he can remember. He just feels completely rested and can't stay in bed for longer. If I would try to sleep for 9h I'd just lie in bed waiting for my alarm to go off. I'm already awake at 5 most days and just kinda snoozing, waiting for the 5.30 alarm to go off. That's 7h of sleep and it's plenty for me. My wife can easily sleep for 9 or 10 hours though.
@@stevebia7063 Yeah I understand. I just hate blanket statements because humans are governed by their genetics to such a great extent. It's like when people see a vegan guy who is 50 but looks like 35 - they immediately assume it's the diet. Then the next day somebody else sees a guy on the carnivore diet with the same results and they again think that it's the diet. No. It probably isn't. The diet may or may not help - but their looks are primarily due to their genetics. Just like you can't look like Brad Pitt by changing your diet, you're not gonna shave off 15 years of your life by sticking to a rigorous diet. Genetics is omnipotent. If both of your parents had heart attacks in their 40s then you probably will too. Maybe with diet and exercise you can push it to 50 but you can't outrun your genetics.
I spent 3 years working as an EMT on 24 hour schedules. They would regularly drag on to 26 and sometimes 30 hour shifts due to extra calls. I also worked in a hospital and the fact of the matter is that we are short handed as hell for good people right now and it’s a terrifying fact that results in most of us just having to handle lifesaving situations under immense levels of sleep deprivation. Most of us just go straight to chain smoking and drinking caffeine by the gallon and blowing our own personal health off to help patients. And that’s just expected at almost any healthcare job.
Ever since I found Matthew walker, I’ve been trying to get at least 8 hours of sleep. And wow I’ve been seeing major results, my grades and my focus have been at their highest
There's should be a 3 way balance to life everyday 8 hrs of sleep to rejuvenate your body, 8 hrs of work or main responsibility to do and 8 hrs including going to the bathroom, eating, driving, TV, interacting with people and phone stuff etc
True story my friend was a surgical resident in the early 90s.... he just got off an crazy long shift and was so tired when he got to his car in the parking lot, he just set his back on the headrest for a minute and fell asleep... when he woke up it was time to go back to work. At that moment he said fuck it and quit surgery. He’s a successful nephrologist today
Joe Rogan should release an app that makes you feel like everything you say is fascinating Me: "I went to the shop earlier" Rogan app: "Woah!" Me: "Bought some chocolate" Rogan app: "That's insane!"
Even when I had zero problems sleeping they'd prescribe me sleeping pills. They gave me olanzipine which was painful. It made me need to hit my arms and legs to get rid of the electric pain feeling in my limbs. Wack.
it's sad how elon musk was all over social media for taking a puff off a blunt but detrimental information like this just gets ignored for the most part
I was a resident and it killed a part of my soul. I once worked non stop from Friday morning till Sunday morning and felt like I was going to die. We had 24 hour weekend calls that end on Monday morning. I begged my senior to take the pager from me for at least 3 hours. Yea, in 3 days I only slept 3 hours then picked up until Monday afternoon because after a weekend call you are expected to come back to work again on Monday (maybe a kind attending would give you 3 hours of sleep on Monday). It was inhumane and reckless!
I got shivers at that final point. That was the most well articulated long explanation I've ever heard. I've never become so informed in such a short time.
I’m listening to this driving home from the grave yard shift after only getting 3 & 1/2 hours of sleep. This is so true. I’ve almost died on the way home too many times to count. Sleep deprivation bus becoming the norm
Absolutely. Cause when you drink you can still kinda control it, take quiet streets, go a little slower. (I'm absolutely not advocating drunk driving.). But I've gotten into a (thank Gd) very small accident because I fell asleep between two red lights so I was braking from about 15mph and I just closed my eyes for 10 seconds. But, if you're going on a long dark road, half awake, once you get to 40+ mph, no matter what, it's going to be a horrific accident.
You can tell how young so many commenters here are based on how they criticize the idea that sleep is really important. Wait until you start aging. Your body will feel wrecked from lack of sleep.
I use to sleep every other night,after 48hrs awake I'd sleep for 10-12hrs,in mid 30s now "not that old" but if I'm awake for over 24hrs I'm a brain dead zombie. Don't know how I use to do it so easily back then.
Yep. I was in the service and my sleep schedule was fucked. Worked a 5 days on 5 days off schedule. Those 5 days of work were from 6pm-6am. Basically 14-16 hour days. Then I came back on base and had to get back on a normal sleep schedule. Since we had some sort of training/firing qual on our 4th or 5th day off. I was a fucking zombie. Even at age 20 my body was in ruins.
So fucking true. I remember that I could stay up to 3-6am playing video games when I was 16-19. Now I am 28 and fuck this I can do max do 1-2am and I say FUCK IT IMA GO SLEEP NOW BABY. I also think that doing that back in my teenage years did affect me mentally and emotionally. It could be nr 1 reason why I felt depressed then.
I’ve been a commercial driver, the past 6 years as a long haul truck driver. The medical field needs to have as strict laws of sleep and work as us stupid truck drivers they have our lives in their hands as much as we do
I’m a nurse. I have been advocating for this for 10 years. It’s hopeless. The amount of money a hospital could lose if we didn’t keep patients up would be astronomical. Keep them up= more medications, more eating, increase stays, use of resources at night ALL EQUALL MORE MONEY. It’s best for health recovery, but it’s not cost effective for hospitals. If a patient is sleeping for 33% of their stay, we potentially lose 33% of additional money. (Most hospitals divide the day into three).
Does it hurt to type "JRE MATHEW WALKER"?????......Does it hurt to click on your subscription page???? It literally took you longer to type "You guys need to link to the full video in the descriptions." than it would have to do the research for yourself. I mean come on man....these are not old clips.....this podcast happened today.
your unreasonable ramble is nonsensical. this is a channel dedicated to making clips from jre and it's nothing but professional, and let's face it, good service (as this is a monetized channel obviously) to include the link. it would take little to no time for the editor of this clip to include the link to the full interview. by your logic one could also spend the time to research and find mathew walker on their own and read his content personally.....passive aggression is an ugly quality buddy.
We should just stop stating sources in research papers too. Like, if you're going out of your way to read the paper you can go out of your way to find the information yourself online lazy fuckers
Bravo! The first step to fix a problem is to understand there is one. I had horrible sleep related experiences in a hospital for both cancer, and ironically, a sleep disorder study.
I can confirm the lack of training on sleep. I'm about 2/3 of the way through my classwork in medical school and we've had one lecture on sleep apnea (1 hour) and about 40 minutes of sleep EEGs. Sprinkled throughout a lecture series on epilepsy. Granted we haven't done psych yet, and I would expect to hit it at least a little bit in that class, but still.
I always mentioned this to my Army commanders, the response was always "I once went 30 hours without sleep." It was frustrating because THAT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH what I was saying and really just threw the conversation in another direction. I also went without sleep for 30 hours, probably far more times than the officers, but I also know that it was dangerous and downright stupid, especially when you're in the middle of learning new skills and training. It makes absolutely no sense. Even in combat you're more likely to get killed or worse accidentally make a mistake and kill someone on your side. Not to mention the suicidal issues and medical issues it causes. ABSOLUTELY STUPID.
You don`t learn shit if you don`t sleep. A lot of schoolkids make the same mistake when cramming for exams. I always chose sleep over studying through the night and I did better than most. And practice is a part of learning as well.
@@Notmyname1593 likewise, never pulled an all nighter resulting in top 5% grades. You'd think the disorientation would ward people away from pulling all nighters but each to their own
He's spot on....when I was a resident, I was practically guaranteed to make an error by the 3rd day...what's more I've been in single car accidents 3 times during residents.
This is exactly why i’ve always felt uncomfortable when Arnold Schwarzenegger says “sleep 6 hours!” He is an advocate for health and fitness but he doesn’t actually know how beneficial sleep is and that a lack of it is detrimental to one’s health. Mister Rogers prioritized a solid 8 hours of sleep everyday without interruption!
As someone who has had life threatening surgery, the speculation that the surgeon not having a good nights sleep the night before would have increased the risk of a major error by 170% is terrifying...
I have always wondered about this... my dad has heart surgery that lasted over 9 hours. I couldn’t imagine doing something for 9hours straight with no breaks.
Its weird that getting good sleep is just as critical to health as something like your diet and usually if your diet is crap, your sleep is crap too and it kinda loops in on itself
I worked in an auto plant and we had a 12 hour rule. The maximum you could work was 12 consecutive hours. The work quality decreases beyond those 12 hours and worker injury increases significantly.
I was in the hospital with chest pains some years ago, and the damn doctors woke me up at least 4 times during the night.Left much more exhausted than when I arrived.
Well, Matthew said is really accurate. I have a friend of mine who is a doctor who got out of the job and slept at the car while driving. He got into an accident, thankfully he is fine. Sleep is really important.
I've only ever gotten a doctor to tell me about sleep once. When I was about 15 and I was, at the time, living in Spain, the doctor told me I needed to get enough sleep. Staying up late and barely sleeping before school was gonna have more serious consequences later on. He told me a good 8 hours is recommended. People can go with 7 but 8-9 depending on your age. Obviously children are different. Aside from that? Maybe a teacher when I was a kid in Florida. But never outside those 2 instances. In fact it stayed with me all my life after the second time. I would remind my mother to get enough sleep and such.
Well thank God i don't have this problem. When I was a student I'd sleep easy 10 hours a day, even when working full time I'm sleeping 8, and if I'm unemployed, forget it, that's 12 hours a day B. I'm tryna live to 200
When I was in the hospital and they would wake me up at 6.30 am, I argued with the doctors: "How am I to recover, when you guys don't let me get more than 7 hours of sleep?" They didn't have an answer.
I'm a nursing student and will be doing my thesis on irregular shift work and nurses. I noticed the problem immediately during my practical placements. This is here in Finland where things are relatively acceptable compared to the comments im reading from US/Canada.
I am 17, still in high school, have almost always wanted to become a doctor specifically a neurosurgeon. Although honestly in the past year I have really been questioning this choice. Hell even the doctors at an internship I am going to don’t seem to happy about their job. I am not really sure at all anymore
I say go for it. In any field a lot of people aren't happy with some things and complain, so it's better to do something that you'll enjoy parts of and pays well. The doctors who complain might not have had as deep an interest in medicine than you, so they get annoyed more easily because they don't find the job as personally rewarding.
Increased risks are meaningless without a baseline risk. This is super important because if we're talking 10/15,000 people in a study and a 170% increase risk, that's only a few more cases compared to say, a 170% increased risk on a study with 5000/15000 baseline risk.
Sleep is vital, and in my experience, there is a night and day difference between well rested and sleep deprived. When I've had a crappy night of sleep, a lot of my body systems are just out of whack. The most notable one for me is I'm constantly shitting and gassy because my GI system is all messed up.
Despite the urging of several people I specifically did not become a nurse due to my seemingly greater than average need for sleep. This is a deadly serious issue even for those who are supposed to be above it.
As someone who just graduated university and is going into public accounting, I’ve heard a ton of people BRAG about how little sleep they get which has always gotten on my nerves a bit. Take care of yourselves people and prioritize your health
Yeah I remember when I first saw this I seriously changed my life. I would often skip out on sleep in favor of work, exercise, gaming ect. because I wanted to get ahead and had the popular mentality "sleep is for the week." Nowadays, as much as I would rather stay awake and feel productive, I often force myself to sleep. It has helped tremendously. I feel so much better at work, my weight is much easier to control, and my gaming performance has improved. Sleep is so important and dreams can help mental state as well.
I’ve been an ER nurse for 5 years now. Sleep is needed but lawyers run the hospital not medical evidence. We have orders to allow people to sleep during the night but then we have a med due every hour, Neuro checks, vital sign parameters, We can’t turn off annoying non emergent alarms. If people would stop suing and being entitled, you would be left alone to sleep.
