Joe Rogan: "This is What Really Sold Me on God" 

In layman’s terms he said: “you can’t make a Lamborghini from a tornado going through a junk yard even if it is swirling in there for 100 trillion years.”

This is how you run an interview; invite people on that you probably disagree with, and give them time to explain their position. This is why JRE is in the position it now is. 👏👏

I love how Joe doesn't constantly interrupt his guests and try to dispute their viewpoint, or turn it around to make it sound like they're saying something entirely different.

As a programmer I must say that if you randomly change any code, there's a 99.99% chance it breaks, not just degrades. There's no way you can improve any code by randomly typing stuff in random places. The remaining 0.01% chance can't improve anything, your code will still run, but it will have errors like typos and miscalculations

"let me run a couple of arguments by you and see what you think, ok?" wow what brilliant way to have a real conversation!

I'm old enough to remember when intelligent people were expected to behave this way; and most of them did. No vituperation. No invectives. They ran their arguments past people and saw what they thought of them. We live now with a couple of generations who were taught that anything they said was simply brilliant, that they themselves were brilliant, and that no one had the right to assail either of those brilliances in any way...ever. That "self esteem centric" education has produced at least two generations of dangerously fragile egos and incredibly brittle intellects.

What makes Joe Rogan such an interesting interviewer? I think it’s two things: CURIOSITY and HUMILITY. He asks the interesting questions that are floating around in his viewers’ heads and then he lets the other person speak so that we can hear that other side. it’s very mentally stimulating. I always come away having felt like I learned something new. Maybe that’s a THIRD reason for Rogan’s success.

“Time was always the hero of the plot.” Truer words were never spoken.

Intelligent conversation is so engaging and mentally refreshing. Thank you Joe Rogan for being a great host.

The idea of God is the only subject Rogan is close minded on.

Hard to follow him here but I read the book Darwin's Doubt by this guy back in the day and that was really good. What he's saying about digital code vs molecular code is spot on, anyone in programming will understand how true it is instantly. It's pretty crazy that the most advanced nanomachinery possible using some of the most advanced software & firmware has already been built - it's us.

Thanks, going to Spotify to listen to the whole interview!

JUST watched the whole video. Still waiting for the part where Rogan says, "This is what really sold me on God.".

Meyer is an absolute gem! Good on Rogan for inviting him on!

Best videos with Stephen Meyer, whoever don't understand him just see more of his presentations

I really enjoyed this interview. I like that Joe doesn't interrupt, and there is no fighting. Just 2 people having an open discussion.

Joe Rogan is truly amazing for his ability to stay on point in the conversation and interject a meaningful point of view, without defending it.

Joe Rogan bringing incredible people on and asking just the right questions to get to really core issues that people with an agenda gloss over. Love this.

Some unseen energy seems to support Joe Rogan and the JRE podcast. I am grateful for this! 🙏

“Trust in the Lord with all your heart, and lean not on your own understanding.”

Really respect Joe as an interviewer. Has such interesting conversations!

At least Joe had Stephen on...that's really something, I don't even think Rogan would've had this guy on five years ago...JRE never disappoints interjecting mushrooms, DMT and UFO's

The designer of the world and the observer that creates a correspondence between the two was actually very interesting way of solving that argument loop thing. Touche

I was here for more details on the thumbnail photo and would love to know where I can watch the full episode

Joe Rogan AGAIN presents himself as an intelligent host. His guests, his questions and curiosity are revealing him to be not just a fighter, but a great host. Mr. Meyer presented his observation of Darwinism in a way that was enlightening and understandable to the laymen. I will be looking him up and listening to his lectures again. Thanks for the posting. He was very informative and as a matter of fact. Interesting. Thank you.

I've always been fascinated by Stephen Meyer. He's such a smart guy and his theories are so well thought out and buttressed that it can get overwhelming. He's not a guy who's going to scream at you to convince yu of anything; in fact, his entire goal is not to convince but just to get his theories heard.

i don't agree with the details of the arguments , but I do enjoy listening to someone calmly and intelligently discussing the topic

The argument at the ending is solid, good point 🙏🏼

Great clip. Gonna have to find the whole interview. Joe, that is the way to do an interview.

This was one of the best Rogan podcasts in a looooooong time.

It is so exciting to question and not know. I love the adventure of the quest to know more. Never understood those who have their minds made up! It just never made sense to me. Do you still see the world like you did when you were 5 years old?

One of the best podcast out there. Smart and intelligent people discussing one of the biggest question: what is our purpose

communication takes practice...involves learning how to listen, think, respectfully respond, learn, and teach...jre...excellent communicator...love...

I don't get why Joe Rogan repeatedly says he's not atheist, but constantly fights against the possibility of God.

Thank God for Joe giving intelligent believers a platform in which to speak freely. More please.

computer code is just one level of processing away from images on a screen. DNA on the other hand, has MANY levels of processing between genotype and phenotype. a change in a gene is sometimes like turning it on and off, but it is more like adjusting one knob when it comes to how that gene affects the species.

I truly appreciate this guy's mind. S.Meyer is truly, according to me, one of the great thinkers of our time. He's calm way of addressing heated topics- all while explaining it in such a way that can make sense .... conveying it as a form of "layman's term" type statement. Easy even for the common mind to grasp....

Mr. Rogan is a highly highly skilled interviewer, in that he rarely if ever, talks over or interrupts his guests. He asks pointed questions out of a genuine desire to understand. It's especially interesting to listen to different perspectives that may not necessarily align with views Mr. Rogan himself espouses, because he DOES give them time to explain their view and is also not afraid to counter with his own preconceived notions. Who's right? Ultimately who cares, because both parties come out having learned something. Bravo, this was awesome. 💜

Updating your RAS (reticular activating system) in the brain, (which is the filtering net of incoming stimuli) allows you to shift at what and where: you are looking... You have a limited number of choices... Updating the RAS shifts your consciousness...

Attachment styles are about more than romance. They’re wired into the core of our nervous systems, and they’re a foundational element of who we are. They show up every time we get stressed - in any relationship. Unresolved wounding is what causes us to be so insecure. If you want to feel security, connection, and confidence in every aspect of your life, then you MUST learn how to solve the conflict/repair cycle because that’s the foundation of it all. The journey doesn’t end by learning your attachment style. It’s just the beginning.

Humility is so important.

Interesting conversation and really a lot needs to be delved into in order to fully understand the concept of such ways of thinking. What an interesting guest appearance

some people love to hear themselves talk period

An interview with Stephen Myer was a long time coming for JR.

I’ve gotten great comfort from reading the Bible.

“As a man who has devoted his whole life to the most clearheaded science, to the study of matter, I can tell you as a result of my research about the atoms this much: There is no matter as such! All matter originates and exists only by virtue of a force which brings the particles of an atom to vibration and holds this most minute solar system of the atom together...We must assume behind this force the existence of a conscious and intelligent Mind. This Mind is the matrix of all matter.” ― Max Planck; Originator of quantum theory. Notable awards: Nobel Prize in Physics (1918), Foreign Associate of the National Academy of Sciences (1926), Lorentz Medal (1927), Copley Medal (1929), Max Planck Medal (1929), Goethe Prize (1945) “Max Planck was one of the intellectual giants of the 20th century and one of the outstanding intellects of all time,” The New York Times wrote upon his death in October 1947, ranking “with the immortals of science, such as Archimedes, Galileo, Newton, and Einstein.”

The string example doesn't work because successful changes are saved and passed down. Unsuccessful ones remove the new changes from the pool. The initial change might be random, but what is saved is not random, what is saved is selected for by the environment. He improperly extrapolates random change.

This is a great example of how sounding persuasive is more important than being persuasive when convincing people. For example, he mentions that changing a random bit of code, you would expect degradation long before you would expect anything new and useful to arise. But this is not a perfect analogy to what we see in nature, there needs to be one more step: any random change that degrades the code is discarded, much like detrimental mutations that arise in nature. They don't survive, and only beneficial mutations remain. There isn't just one code, there's one version of code in every individual and ones that were randomly degraded will disappear.

He listens and asks smart questions based on what was said, what he himself thinks and what he researched before hand - well done - thats how it should be

we are evolving in how we think about evolution! I really like how he dichotomized the specific aspects of evolution theory that he disagrees with. I have felt the same way but never had the vocabulary to express it.

This was fleshed out well by Pope Benedict XVI who said that the world has a great 'intelligibility' which corresponds incredibly neatly to the intellectual ability of the human mind. It's certainly an interesting argument. Einstein puts it somewhat more bluntly by saying 'The most incomprehensible thing about the world is that it is comprehensible'. Interesting ideas. I'm glad Joe is actually having serious discussions with very clever philosophers about God, rather than just poking fun at straw-men. One doesn't have to agree with the 'other', but certainly we should be charitably engaging in one another's strongest arguments, not poking fun at each other. Great interview Joe.

I saw a video on this kind of stuff in the early days of youtube, like 2007, there was a video explaining and displaying how frequencies, the shapes of things in the universe, the universe itself, and mathematic equations that tie into it, almost divine numbers, all tied into a 20 min youtube video, it changed my life, unfortunately, I only got to see it once, it was taken down even though I put it in my favorites and watch later all that, please, if this rings a bell for someone, I would like to re-experience this line of thinking

Great conversation. I would highly encourage listening to the whole podcast. Fanstastic.

Awesome interview. Love Stephen Meyer, and kudos to Joe for bringing a Christian on when I kind of think of him as a closet athesist. That takes courage.

Id love to hear his thoughts on the hominids

So it comes down to code. And what code can do. But code itself is first. Investigate the nature of that code. What is its structure? What is its geometry? These are not difficult questions to investigate as we already have the tools. With this first principle in place, the field becomes very interesting indeed.

I can't beleive we have cutting edge apologetics on joe rogan. This is amazing

Well done on interviewing him.

Joe Rogan is one of THE greatest interviewers I've ever heard. He always lets the invited have his/her views exposed without interrupting, asks excellent questions, gives usually very sound explanations on the topic in discussion, and always respectful. Basically, a top notch professional in his field.

It's good to see how many intelectuals are down to go on Joe's show. This guest's got the big brains. Enjoyable interview and topic.

I have always been super into science. As a high school and college kid, I had a basic knowledge of science and thought the stuff they said in church was silly and murky, so I went agnostic. Then, as I got older and deep dived into the nature of reality, I really saw the power and beauty of reality, and then god made much more sense as an explanation. Either their are gagillions of universes most of which dont work and we inhabit one that does or something made this. So reality works the way it works because it has to work that way, so whether by chance or by design the dominoes all fall just perfectly from the very tiniest scales all the way to the incomprhensibly large scales. Anyway. I am grateful to exist. I think it is appropriate to tell the chef they made good food, and I hope I get the opportunity to tell god that this existence thing is pretty neat.

Just finished this discussion. Excellent. I want to see Stephen C Meyer do a long-form discussion with Jacob Chansley.

My very amateur thought about his statement towards the end (protiens and such) is it does not start early enough on the information-flow-chain of the body as seems to be getting uncovered now. What about a healthy and rich gut microbiome? There are tons of chemical signalings that are reacting to various foods being digested. Igniting a very different scale of survival -of-the-fittest that scales into the body various signals (some very directly tied to gene signaling). Fungal and microbiome having a directional and multiplyer effect? Again, RU-vid video watcher guy having a thought... Tis all.

He's being so gracious. Time is not just the hero of the plot it's the black box of magic we're not supposed to think too much about.

It's been since college since I heard the word epistemology (the study of knowledge and how knowledge is acquired).

No way! Sweet! All the prayers for Joe are really paying off. This year has been a different Joe! I love Dr Meyer!

Bravo great explanations

This is Joe Rogans' most intriguing interview

Back in 2005, when I went back for my PhD and before I was familiar w/ Dr Meyer, I read Dr Kenneth R. Miller's book, "Finding Darwin's God: A Scientist's Search for Common Ground Between God and Evolution" (Harper Perennial, 1999; New York, NY). If you appreciate and can keep up with Dr Meyer and the brilliant arguments he poses in support of strong scientific evidence more in support of a Creator and Creation event than not, Dr Miller's book is another must-read.

could u imagine this guy trying to have this conversation with Neil degrassi tyson he would bust in like the kool-aid man cutting him off. this guy is very good at articulating his thoughts into words like a writer.

Look at Mr. Rogan.....Just listening, amazing guy. Agree, don't agree but listen. I am impressed every time I watch his interactions with all sorts of people.

Not one single denier of evolution has been able to explain the existence of vestigual structures and organs with any degree of competence.

Joe has gotten so great at listening. Talks less than he used to. Allows the guests to have longer soliloquys

Darwin’s Doubt was a fantastic book! Meyer is a brilliant man.

If you want to see how a computer can actually program better over time (mutation), check out Adrian Thompson's experiment with FPGA's over a long period of mutations. What Meyer is missing the boat on is it's not about if a mutation created complexity, it's if it was more advantageous at the time. The mutation didn't know it was more complex - it was the fact the primitive eye which could distinguish light, mutated and now could distinguish movement as well....was selected because of it's advantage.

I am struggling to make sense of this, time to work on my vocabulary!

Love Dr Stephen Myers :) I own a few of his books. Great guy for Joe to speak with for the rational of intelligent design

Yea I agree man. There has to be some sort of intervention at some point. What that "intervention" is...? Who knows, tbh...

"Nothing solid to hold onto in reality." --- Hmmm... I can't escape reality no matter what I do. I've noticed that there is persistency and consistency of identity in reality. Millions of sensory perceptions hit me every five minutes involving all of my senses over my whole life that tell me that reality is very much real and consistent. Reality is acting on my senses so that I'm aware of it constantly. 12/24/23, 9:22 p.m.

I listened to the whole thing as I was very interested in seeing how this would go given the guest's known convictions. I write this comment after having read a bunch in the hopes that someone on the Rogan team captures significant themes from these comments/responses and Rogan thoughtfully considers them. I realize that I am assuming the theme of "Rogan seemed different and navigated this interview in a way that came of to me, and many others it appears, as having a difficult-to-pin-down negative edge to it" is significant. - I agree that Rogan seemed off and coming from an unusual place in this conversation. - I am not sure I heard Rogan say anything like, "I don't necessarily agree with you, although that is a great point, and a worthy argument" when many of the points seemed to merit that type of acknowledgement regardless of your beliefs or bias or possible animosity. -There seemed to be a lack of enthusiasm to learn and reflect in the moment that Rogan is known for (in my opinion) -It seemed as if Rogan came in expecting to confront someone who was going to proselytize and he didn't get that and so the points he made came of as pre-meditated and scripted and ill-timed. -Meyers explanation of his "Divine interventions and guidance" came off as flat and mundane and were seemingly downplayed by Rogan as "growing up and maturing and simply getting better" to put it my way (although they were in question form). -Recognizing selfishness and moving away from it to selflessness is a big freaking deal and not everyone comes from destitution or horrific (or even mild) trauma and has a redemption story that is universally compelling. That is not "anyone's fault" per se just as being born a crack addict or an alcoholic is not a child's fault (or ever their fault). And that does not diminish the relative impact of one's character defects on their life and the struggle to overcome, and what is necessary for some to overcome them. Are there first world problems - sure. That said, selfishness, regret, shame, fear, guilt and all the rest have trashed many lives that were at one time revered and desired. -Meyer showed openness and tact when Joe went into psychedelics and fertility rituals as the basis for Christianity, and his own experiences with the "other" via psychedelics. Talk about a major curve ball if you are hearing this for the first time. It seemed like an in-your-face challenge born of a kind of snooty defiance. Like, "go ahead, deny the authenticity of my experience". Meyer was open and respectful used a Biblical reference to leave room for this as an avenue to God. -I would have expected the same level of openness and acknowledgment and respect for Meyer's religious experiences and their impact on his life. It is all relative. -Those are just some examples and others have noted more. -It just felt different, especially with Meyers' approach. -It felt like there was a strange and dismissive and antagonistic type of undertone that resulted in leaving a lot on the table. Maybe the topics themselves were not compelling more broadly and Joe was trying to spice it up...and I feel like that is reaching pretty far on my part. -Maybe Meyer pissed Joe off in the run-up...???

2nd time I listened to this clip. It was worth it. Got lots of facts to chew on!

Curious if you can build a computer with not just 0/1, but ACGT.

The principle of correspondence between the mind and the world is the only idea that ever made sense to me as well when thinking about existence. Finally I have heard it from another person. And also the way one thing is not very different from that which it produces as a general trend.

Get John Lennox on...he is great too.

AAAHHH! ive been saying for quite a while that Stephen Meyer should be on the JRP. So glad he's able to give Joe an alternate perspective on things. Great interview!

During the explanation of degradation functional sequences, would mix breed be an example? Like mixing a unique breed but with a shorter life span? I ask to understand correctly.

The problem was never the notion of a creator. The problem was who's to tell what or who that creator is, and what that creator really expects.

I’ve followed Rogan for a long time. And the under-the-surface sense I get is something that I think most people don’t realize, it’s that Rogan actually wants to believe really badly, and that’s the issue. He wants it to be proven irrefutably before he starts making life decisions based on it. That’s how he’s always been.

These type of discussions are exactly what brought me back to our creator, God. I was Christian in my childhood, and young adult. But I always had questions about God and the Bible that were not answered to my satisfaction. So I became an agnostic for many years. However, even as an agnostic, I never quit searching, seeking answers or God. In my mind and soul, I knew there was something and I would not let go of this notion. I began reading books, philosophy, history of the Bible, listening to scholars who were atheist and believers, listening to podcasts. It was never ending. Then one day it hit me like a freight train. It all culminated into one moment of knowing, realization that God was real and with me at that very moment in time. I broke down emotionally, uncontrollably, couldn’t speak, only cry. The intense emotion was combination of the years of searching and the Holy Spirit filling me completely, to the point where I was overwhelmed. I can’t explain the feeling with words. But ever since that morning, I have changed. I am no longer the man I was. Now, I boldly proclaim God is my King, Jesus Christ is the pipeline, the messenger, the son of God. My job is to plant Gods seed. It’s your job to water it, or not. Sometimes the seed doesn’t get watered for decades or ever, but occasionally it’s immediately. But I have fulfilled my purpose by sharing and planting. The Kingdom of God is within each of us, not in a building or temple. The temple is us. God is in all things we see and don’t see. Every thing you see, can touch and feel is temporary and will pass, but the things you cannot see exist too, but are eternal.

"Explanatory deficits." I love it.

It ultimately doesn't matter whether you want to believe what the theory of evolution has to say about the life history of the planet. You concede "microevolution" occurs, and lots of "microevolutions" leads to "macroevolutions". You're welcome to have doubts and demand further clarification, but that isn't evidence for your hypothesis.

So glad he had Dr. Stephen Meyer on, God is clearly working on him! Please have on Dr. Frank Turek, Dr. Hugh Ross, Dr. William Lane Craig, J Warner Wallace, Lee Strobel!

It is a shame Francis Schaeffer is no longer with us. What a great interview that would be.

This clip was defs cut off too short

Excellent

Good stuff Dr. Stephen Meyer!!!!!

During a conversation with my pastor I mentioned that one of the greatest gifts God gave us was a personal experience with Him. There's no measurement or quantifiable evidence. It's deeply personal experience that is profound and life changing. I imagine that's why he struggled with sharing his personal experience with Joe, because it is so personal. Regardless he shared his experience with a fallen world that will largely reject him. That's bravery, that is faith.

What ep?

I completely agree!

It is obvious that this fella is a really nice guy. I like him. He is a nice guy, i would wager in the real world too. thanks for the clip.