Joel Klatt on Big Ten future after USC-UCLA move, Notre Dame next? | Colin Cowherd Podcast 

The national football league model is the model that will be most profitable for college football conferences.

Of course Colin reveals he was giving the advice to P12 brass that they should be scheduling all Big10 non-conf schedule AFTER it’s revealed that LA teams are joining the Tiny14.

The probability of Notre Dame joining a conference in 2, 4, 6, or 10 years based on financial numbers, is missing other important variables. The Fighting Irish are about renegotiate there TV deal with NBC. The numbers for this deal between $60-$75 million per year. The ACC would be another $15-$20 million. Joe and Colin believe that money is the driving issue that will make ND join a conference. I disagree. The Irish have 2 TV deals, a place for other men/women's Olympic sports, enhanced path to college football playoffs, with the expansion to 12 teams. In addition, to other revenue streams such as clothing apparel contracts. The point ND has less money for it's road games in football, contrasted by conference aligned teams, is not totally accurate. When Notre Dame comes to your stadium to play, you become the center of the universe for that particular Saturday. The stadium is sold out, most likely over half with Irish fans. The Fighting Irish have the local Alumni/ Notre Dame club closest to the game as host for the Notre Dame contingent attending the game, drawing in thousands of fans to a pep rally, fund raiders and donations to the University. God only knows how much Our Lady's University earns at an away game. Lastly, Notre Dame has an endowment fund of over 13 billion, third highest amount all colleges and universities. If the Irish ever were to join a conference in football, it won't ever be the Big Ten, trust me.

First off nobody cares about USC vs Stanford wk 2. NOBODY!!! We know Colin is a USC homer… what these 2 want is a replication of the NFL. No joke. We already have an NFL why would we want to diminish what college has done up until now??? If you ask me it’s all about what ESPN wants and ESPN wants an NFL 2

It should be , especially as Cfb gets closer

@@thomascooney2610 They're both on Fox, but what Fox wants is what ESPN wants. B1G → Fox mainly, SEC → ESPN mainly.

Forsure. Its nice for them to have a serious conversation

I second that.

I agree. Outside of Joel, Paul Finebaum is great for SEC, the business of college football, and can be very much to the point and funny.

Josh Pate is better. He understands the heartbeat of college football.

@@SuperSirianRigel Yeah, I like him as well. He’s more about SEC and I respect his football knowledge. He puts a lot into it.

@@royboy9361 I just watched a video where he was talking favorably about Notre Dame. Hope that helps! Ha ha.

@@craig_m_mi Paul doesn't care about anything outside of the sec he's as biased as it gets

Real talk. Big Daddy Klatt always schoolin his little boy Colin.

Me too. I blinked and he has near half a million wtf lol

Agree with you, on both counts

My name is also Benjamin Roberts and I salute you sir

me and my friends have spoken multiple times about this with each other about the SEC and the Big Ten having a challenge like the ACC and Big Ten has with basketball. even though the way things are moving along we might not have the acc-big ten challenge anymore here soon.

Actually Alabama and Wisconsin have a Home and Home Series on the schedule coming up in the next few years!!

Penn State and Auburn are currently playing a home and home.

Shirak

They played many times over the years and the SEC dominated in those games

Would never work. The overall conference would lose recruiting leverage. Think! If you can’t guarantee a recruit that your team won’t be relegated during their years then they will say see ya and go play in the big 20 or SEC. Moreover, if after their first year their college gets relegated, it’s hello transfer portal. Total chaos and would never work. These “experts” are just shooting from the hip.

"Never boring".... SPOT ON!!! 👍

What is the point of the two tiers? Different payouts?

Joel Klatt is the best

Some pretty good matchups

Totally agree. USC had become irrelevant. Their games were against mostly boring opponents and were being played at 11 pm on the East Coast. Not anymore. Fox will promote the hell out of these games and people will watch.

We in the B1G are glad you joined.

@@litedawg maybe losing to these teams had something to do with it

Utah is good to....let's be fair 😁

Thank you I knew I wasn’t he only one thinking the Big Ten and SEC should have a week dedicated to facing each other off

SEC Big Ten challenges would be awesome. But something tells me the team that draws Alabama would be very upset. You can barely afford to lose 1 game to make the CFP. Until they expand it to 6 or 8 teams, someone like USC who doesn't play ohio state or Michigan every season depending on divisions would be at a massive advantage. Obviously they'd play in the conference championship but lose that and at 2 losses you have no shot in a 4 team playoff. Now imagine you play Osu or Michigan on the road where you're more likely to lose than at home, you don't get another chance. Maybe with 1 close loss to the conference champion you get consideration but with 2, no shot.

I could be mistaken but TOSU has both Bama, and Georgia on its non conference schedule in the next 5 years

The B10 needs to add Oregon and Notre Dame if they want to beat the SEC in that USC needs to become better as well

@@tylergangwer1809 OSU plays in Athens in 2030, and UGA plays in Columbus in 2031.

He's so terrible at his job lol

USC is gonna get smacked around in the big ten. They don't have the line play to compete.

He’s like a Chamaeleon,changes to suit the topic

He was a Supersonics fan and when they moved to OKC and became the Thunder he started hating the state apparently. I could be wrong.

Good catch on the N.D. hockey. Yeah and Johns Hopkins plays in lacrosse only. Too funny.

The Big Ten and Notre Dame will never agree to a full membership inside the conference. The Fighting Irish hockey program is part of the Big Ten due out of necessity, due to a lack of viable alternatives. In football, however, this is not the case. Notre Dame would join the SEC before they would the Big Ten. The bad blood runs deep and for good reason.

@@patrickturner4581 What bad blood do Notre Dame and the Big 10 have with each other? Is that just an excuse for why Notre Dame schedules cupcakes from the West Coast instead of Michigan, Michigan State, and Purdue?

No dominant team is what I think really holds the Pac 12 back and no one talks about it. The other P5 conferences consistently get to the playoffs but it's always Oklahoma in the big 12, Clemson in the ACC, Ohio State in the big ten (and Michigan this past year) and Alabama in the SEC (with the occasional Georgia or LSU appearance). The Pac 12 doesn't have that powerhouse so that's why they never get in. That I think is the biggest separator with the Pac 12 and these other conferences

@@isaacdunaway7149 Agreed. Each conference needs that anchor that the SEC and (most of the time) Big 10 have. The closest thing the Pac 12 has had is Oregon who will get beat by Utah, or Washington who gets spanked by the blue bloods. Even Big 12 gets represented in the playoff by Oklahoma every year.

That is where the fans best decide what they want. Top heavy conferences or parity. Actually it was not parity in the PAC that was the problem. It was lack of exposure, bad TV time slots and the flop of what was to be a promising P12 Network.

@@ckstaff I agree with you but having a dominant team that can make the CFP most years like the other P5 teams would help a lot. Or just making the CFP more lmao

Dude! The Pac 12 Network was not on Direct TV either! That messed with exposure for sure

Very True but that will change now that they finally have a solid Coach!

@@bloodslash69 lol, your new coach has a reputation for having soft teams.

@@sonofrobert Not my coach, I'm a MSU guy :). I was a huge Mark Dantonio fan at that

I'm a 3rd generation ND fan. Hate to see them give up their independence, but I get it. Big 10 only conference I'd want them. Might be fun. Especially where the program seems to be headed.

Grew up in Chicago, and I am praying ND NEVER joins the Big 10. SEC or ACC. That would be better.

The amount of money in a state is basically irrelevant though unless it directly relates to the alumni base, boosters, brand name of the school, etc. Alabama as a state can finish last in every economic metric and it still wouldn’t impact the success of Bama’s football team. It’s very similar for OU too. I feel like we’re splitting hairs when we talk about money at the top 25 or so programs. Yes, schools like Texas, Bama, and Ohio State might have more money than everyone else, but the next few tiers of schools still have deep enough pockets via their boosters to afford to attract elite talent via NIL deals.

Thats what most ignorant people do when they cant argue facts ,their go to is the race card,and like politics and politicians find out what the masses are doing and jump in front of it ,pumpn their the fist err network for viewership see Bill Mahrs etc.

The fact that Elle Duncan(who I agree with btw) was allowed to be political and Sage Steel was not is crazy

Yep, the incentive just isn’t there especially with the cfp expansion. Why take the risk now? If you’re big ten or sec all you have to do is win your conference so there’s no reason to play out of conference especially since your competitors aren’t.

“New York” market & Nashville market. If those schools can improve and become competitive, they are in big enough cities that they can carry their weight in revenue. They just need to stop sucking so badly. It may be in the rest of their conferences’ best interest to help them improve, rather than kick them out.

@@joshparnell7755 Washington and Oregon make way more money that Rutgers

Would rather the SEC to pickup Miami instead of Clemson, only because Miami is a bigger TV Market.

@@shawnevans26 They may get both.

@@markceci9896 well that makes since. I do know Clemson is the better program, but Miami is in the better market if the Canes get good again.

Yeah, don't tell that yo LA, they think it's just better out there.

You OU fans are just a bitter ex at this point 😒. Start talking about OU going forward and move on.

@@Drummajortsu klatt and colin started talking about it, we just defending our program. you guys need to stop looking at oklahoma fans for reassurance, because you didnt get a great coach you got a weak minded coach who will not make the playoffs in the big 10

@@Drummajortsu Au contraire mon frère! Getting a coach with cajones has invigorated the Sooners fan base. It's alleviated the growing concern fans had of seeing every one of Riley's teams being a little softer than the year before.

@@Drummajortsu yeah, we are salty. Salt of the earth. We have all these California dreaming west cost fruit roll ups telling g us how their new savior is going to bring in the glory days. But talk about drama, why are you even responding to my comment. Get out of here ya drama loving queen. Get so.e of your own buisness and get out of OU's. All you non OU fans trying to tell us what to do. Worry about yo self.

Agreed, and it should happen. Think they need to take the remaining non SEC/B1G schools and create a championship league with their own national title, then have relegation between. Bottom two of each sec/b1g drop out and be replaced every 2 years.

Those who aren’t in the B1G and SEC super leagues can form another league.

I dont see that happening for another 10-12 years. They are not going to consolidate until the ACC is done with their contract. The GOR in that conference is too complicated, too expensive, and will take too much time for the elite programs to get out of. ESPN will not destroy the partnership with the Elite members in the conference along with the other members in the conference. Notre Dame still wants its independence and still has a seat on the playoff committee. Notre Dame AD still has a strong relationship with Greg Sankey. I think its 12 teams with SEC 4, B1G 4, BIGXII 1, ACC 2, and 1 independent or play-in game to determine the last spot.

College Football Super Bowl here we come.

@@tmjel1 The only 2 ACC teams anyone cares about is Clemson and Miami ! Maybe Louisville every blue moon Which I think the SEC should and may eventually try to snatch . They’re not missing much in the ACC

It was always a business. People just used "academics" as a way took make it seem like it wasn't. The big 12 was the big 8 before I was born. Why did it expand to 12? Because of 💰.

Wow~ You must be over 80 years old Brad. I knew that it was true when G. R. Ford was captain and starting center at Michigan since there was no sports TV and the NFL was nothing. Being a graduate assistant to go to law school was a better option than playing in the NFL. But that’s not the case since maybe the 70s. On the other side this is great for the Olympic sports since half of that Football money goes on to cover the cost of all those varsity teams. Just look at the shooting medals won by Kentucky and West Virginia athletes. And the fencing medals by the couple who went to Norte Dame and continued on to become physicians after retiring from the Olympics

Buddy it was always a business it’s just now they can’t hide behind student-athlete and run a unconstitutional slave company

I agree with you, but I think this move ( Conference expansions), NIL, and the Portal, are just "pulling the covers" off of stuff that's been going on for a long time.. ......despite what a lot of these schools have been saying. Basically what we have now, is "Minor League", for the NFL. BEFORE, it was a feeder system. Now, with pay / NIL, it's a minor league.

Point being? They would need perfect attendance from the fan base to still be outnumbered? Solid analysis there buckeye, nobody is scared

I remember the Beavers ripping USC a new one last year in the Coliseum as well 😅

This entire video is full of horrendous take s

OU hasn’t won a national championship in 22 years

@@jtms1122 Thank you for proving my point

The BIG has enough winners looking for inclusion. CU has too many problems and too much work to do. Better they go back into the Big 12 (or whatever it will be called) than hope for a nonexistent BIG invite. UVA, UNC, Stanford, and UND will all be considered before Colorado. Still love the Buffs though.

I agree. You have to forgive them as they see everything through the lens of media and television.

@@ronparty19 they're trying to create a vacuum that doesn't exist & then thinking they're geniuses for figuring out a way to fill it It's moronic

Dumb!!! If ND joins the other school will be Miami

Go Hawks

We are too. Go Trojans and Bruins!! Fight on. Love to see Notre Dame join very soon. Come on Irish!! Fingers 🤞 Now every weekend is gonna be awesome. Wonderful rivalries, fan base. ❤️ It's all good.

Correct he can't recruit defense

Yeah, However two butt kickings by Utah in a span of 3 weeks erased that in a hurry.

Duh. I get the Pac12 Network on my cable provider, and I've never seen anything but women's gymnastics on it. This is the fault of the Pac12 leadership.

Yes Oregon Did but how often does that happen when they beat a big time team. Oregon is good but not great or elite program yet. And the rating are terrible when pac12 teams OR Oregon play

I think it's sad that conferences are now relying more on what Bean counters tell them than actually on the field performance. I remember when Utah and TCU made the jump because they were winning too much to big ignored. You have schools like Texas and UCLA which have been garbage on the field, schools like USC which has been disappointing almost every year reaping great benefits for nothing on the field. And the media applauds them for it and approves all of this. I hope a conference decides to put together the best football programs, not the best media markets or whatever criteria they use to keep good teams out. According to the media there are only like five or six premier programs but there are a lot more programs that think they are. It's sad to see so much greed go unchecked and reward teams for what they were 50 years ago, not what they are now.

I think he meant literally in the town as the uni

It’s like 1-2 teams per state. Just in Los Angeles has 2 for every sport 😂

Absolutely. ND can negotiate to make sure they play USC+UCLA every year to ensure their traditional California trip every year, but they don’t have any leverage for the B1G to offer them football independence or a deal like ND’s ACC deal.

As a lifelong ND fan, I agree. I do however think that this model would work if they used it as a deal to join the Big 10 after a few years of a “partnership” to ensure the departure fines, etc. are a little more bearable. I love being independent in football, but our best years/seasons included having Mich, MSU, Purdue, PSU, along with the staple of USC on the schedule. I may be in the minority of ND fans, but I embrace this. Could you imagine yearly TV ratings with games that involve, OSU, Mich, USC, ND, etc.

I agree with your comments on "style",& " geography" regarding the Irish. What N.D. has had that almost NO OTHER B10 has had the ballz to do is schedule anybody, anytime,& anywhere. In any given year, the Irish will play USC, STANFORD, MICHIGAN, an elite SEC school,& the best teams in the ACC( clemson, canes, fsu). On top of that, NBC gave them their own soapbox to stand on. Ask yourself.....would a Michigan voluntarily play such a schedule on a yearly basis? Finally...what you call "pride", I'd call common sense for the Irish to have remained Independent. Unfortunately for them now, they may no longer have that option.

Make it 12. Play 1 out of conference game a year

I don’t get that , why don’t you want to see small guys from a nearby school take a shot at you or scheduling a home and home with an exotic far off team ?

@@kbrewski1 I love tradition but I'm a realist. This all started when SCOTUS decided schools owned the TV rights to their games, not the NCAA. About that time cable entered the marketplace with a big need for inventory. Schools pooled their rights with their conferences, and that's what made having the best TV markets matter. Now NIL is driving it. Schools need the large markets to generate the opportunities for all students, not just the stars, to benefit or suffer in recruiting. And the day is coming when athletes will want regular pay. The irony is that I think conferences will get big enough to reconstitute regionally within themselves, not between themselves.

@@Alan.Endicott And that's not college football. That's the NFL. Why we are trying to turn CFB into an NFL Minor League System is silly and will eventually kill viewership.

Not quit accuarate. They needed a place for their Olympic sports after the Big East blew up. No onther power conference would give them the sweet heart deal that the Big East did...which is play as little or as much conference games in football as you want. Big Ten and Big XII both said no without full membership. ACC was the only one that let them park their Olympic Sports AS LONG as they played 5 ACC games. It wasn't that ND was struggling with schedule, it was they had their hand forced to play ACC games so they could park their other sports.

@@spud1907 In 1992, ND was one of 15 independent schools with football. In 2013, when it joined the ACC, it was one of just 6 such schools. For a decade, 2003 to 2012, it was between 3 and 5 teams. It's opponents in conferences have more of their schedules consumed within their conferences, leaving ND fewer options. Was the 5-game commitment to the ACC the primary reason for joining, probably not. But did it alleviate football scheduling concerns? Oh yeah. It's been suggested the B1G might want to go to 10 games in conference. If others follow ND options get even tighter, don't they?

@@spud1907 Half of the ACC are schools that played football in the BigE. As I pointed out above, most of the BigE football schools already were long time ND rivals. Miami, Pitt, Boston College, Syracuse periodically. So agreeing to 5 ACC games was no big deal for ND when they were already scheduling those schools anyway, plus FSU was in the ACC, and Ga Tech, old rivals. ND brings eyeballs and ratings to every sport for the ACC. Men's bball went to 2 Elite 8s in a row right off the bat. The women's bball team has been in multi F4s and won a NC for ACC. The lacrosse team is topflight . Good soccer programs. The bball team upset 2 SEC teams> beat 1 seed Tenn to go to CWSeries, the only cold weather northern team in the CWS. Etc, etc The ACC WANTED all those sports and attention and visibility. for the ACC.

The key to control college football, TV markets. Playoff is big10 and sec to get to 18 or 20 schools. They it is over.

BIG would probably add Stanford along with ND since that is one of ND's regular rivals. The more teams that ND plays regularly already in the conference, the better to get them to sign on. ND would only be forced to use 1 of their non-con games on a rival, which is Navy, unless they go back to having Pitt or Boston College on the schedule again, which they haven't had to with their ACC ties.

I’d say this is the order the B10 has currently ( who they want to add) 1 Notre Dame 2 Stanford 3 Clemson 4 UNC 5 Duke 6 Oregon 7 Cal

@@michaeld6147 just because stanford is in SF. Doesn't mean they'll add TV revenue. They don't have any fans. Oregon adds more revenue and value than half the current Big10, and every pac school besides usc.

@@shawnsmith9440 It would have nothing to do with where Stanford is located, it would be because they already have a regular series with ND. Also, it would give USC and UCLA another close road game.

Underrated comment.