Bro I feel like a bitch I literally started bawling when he played it here cause I knew what was gonna happen unfortunately. I’m really upset this game got leaked and everyone is hating on it for no reason.
@@sandgaming5148 I'm not gonna lie this is better than the first game and will go down as one of the best games of all time and maybe even the best currently people are nit picking and everything but you can't ruin this game it's literally perfect it deserves game of the decade year everything it's such a masterpiece and so beautiful
I see it as this. Ellie is the only person to find herself again, by the act of forgiving and letting go (therefore the flashback). Ellie accepts what happens and forgives both Joel and Abby. This is also symbolically shown by Ellie not being able to play the “i’d surely lose myself” part anymore. Ellie is the only one that is able to save herself and move on
@@itsmrdaan5921 She forgave Abby, but at what cost? As far as we can tell she lost not only lost her fingers, but the ability to play the guitar and therefore her connection to Joel. She also lost (from what we can tell) Dina and JJ. I felt that the whole theme of the game was "loss". Some of the flashbacks of Ellie and Joel; Abby and her Dad were harking back to a time of innocence. When they lost their loved ones that innocence is lost. OMG as I further process this game it just gets that much more complicated.
She found herself at the end tho, that decision of not killing abby, she finally forgave joel for not letting her die and at the end you could see her leave joel's guitar in her old room with all her stuff she finally chose to live for joel. I just hope dina and tommy would forgive her cuz I don't want ellie to be alone :(( that's literally her biggest fear
I only see a sad old man trying to spend time with his "daughter"... I feel so sorry for Joel. After all the shit he'd been thru, he just wanted to be with Ellie and live a peacefull life...
The worst part about it is that Joel had no choice...the Fireflies would never have let Ellie be woken up to choose. And Joel would’ve killed them all as revenge for killing Ellie. Then, Ellie gets mad because Joel loved her so much, he literally sacrificed the world for her. And for some reason, we’re supposed to care about some random character because she lost a person who forced Joel to kill them in order to escape...OK
Lily Anderson that’s a good analysis and a fair point. But If you were in abbys shoes would you do any different? You don’t have to like the character but you should empathise with her struggle. Lord knows if someone killed my dad, I would do exactly what Abby did, fuck them up. Joel was a good character and it’s sad to see him go out like that but his actions caught up with him 🤷🏾♂️
Lily Anderson and in regards to ellie being pissed at Joel, I would be too but that’s just me 😂. At the end of the day these characters are not ours we just get to experience their journey and it seems like that journey is not for everyone so if you don’t like it.... it is what it is.
KingGDB it’s funny because Abby’s dad would’ve done the exact same thing were he in Joel’s shoes. He couldn’t answer when Marlene asked him if he’d do the procedure if it was Abby that was immune.
KingGDB well no because these behaviours do not reflect anything of their lastofus1 personalities. they made the dumbest decisions which lead to ultimately poor outcomes, when they’re characters are meant to be super cautious and smart. Just completely nonsensical moments as well, I could go on.
I love that Joel isn't afraid to show a more sensitive side of himself, that he doesn't try to seem big and tough all the time. I wish my dad was more like that. My dad and I have never really had a "heart to heart" like this. This video is just so wholesome and cute. May we all have a part of Joel in our hearts'.
I wanted to show my sensitive side to my ex girlfriend before we broke up I wanted to sing this to her during Valentine’s Day but never did because we broke up
It seems that way originally but I get it. It just means that there's someone whose life he truly values more than his own. When my Ellie was born 9 years ago and I held her the first time it felt like an electrical current ran through me and from that split second I understood. Although it seems sad it's nice that it happens in life.
This takes me back to the first game when Joel said when he was a kid he wanted to be a singer and we finally get to hear him sing! Wow! I never thought I would get this many likes, thank you all so much, my friends!
I love how Joel never said "i love you" to Ellie but with performing this song (wich must have been hard for him) he kinda does and she sees it like that as well.
@Kyle Castoe I still would've preferred to see a scene where Joel or Ellie say "I love you." It wouldn't have to be direct. Like maybe they could've been sitting at a campfire and one of them falls asleep. Then whoever is awake says "I love you ____."
I think this is really important. People say things like “Ellie shoulda called him dad, they should’ve had Abby feel bad for killing Joel, Joel shoulda called Ellie his daughter and said he loved her” but they don’t realize these things are still conveyed just not directly. Just cause media doesn’t spell something out it doesn’t mean it’s flat out not there.
What makes this more emotional is the fact that Ellie was begging Joel throughout the 1st game to sing to her but he kept refusing, now he finally does
Yeah at the university part. They were talking about their dreams. Ellie wanted to be an astronaut and joel wanted to be a singer. Ellie begs joel to sing something for her but joel said later.
I think I might actually need therapy. Like I'm not even joking. This game really fucked me up and as someone who has suffered from trauma, Ellie's story was just so personal to me. That scene with her in the barn broke me. That's what it's really like. This may be the most misunderstood work of art in gaming to date. I'm really unsurprised all these gamer bros hate it. They all ultimately just want gamey games and not true art that pushes the medium forward.
@@TheOutsider69 As a long time fan of Naughty Dogs' works, this game was, unfortunately, an utter disappointment for me if I am being honest. The narrative felt completely bland and rushed (7 years btw...) and somehow the story seemed to be all over the place. I only ever felt joy when moments such as flashbacks of Joel and Ellie popped up. The other characters such as Dina, Jesse, Abby, Owen, etc were written quite poorly and barely had an impact on the story, they just had no weight. The only characters that I ever felt were even remotely interesting were Yara and Lev. Overall, the game is not a horrible game, it definitely had its moments. The scenery that this game offers is just spectacular and the music is nostalgic. Let me also mention this [ SPOILER ]; as much as I love Joel, the decision to have him die is fine by me, but, what pissed me off was how it was executed; completely disrespecting and ignoring his character that was built up from the previous LOU; they simply dismantled his arc. Although this is merely my own personal take on the game, if you see it in a different light then that is fine!
@@TheOutsider69 Supremely misunderstood. There's a lot of things missed in that the game is making you look inward. I still wonder what it would be like if no leaks. Ah I wish they released on time February or April.
@@TheCaliforniaHP I avoided all leaks, all spoilers, and even refused to discuss anything with my friends because I knew their opinions would be heavily biased by leaks. I simply waited until I could play the game myself and sadly, it was not the story anyone expected. I'm going to mention this again, this is just my personal opinion on the game; the narrative was completely off the radar, characters were cut off from any development and you'd just forget they ever existed after they died, that's how poorly written they were. But I digress. What are your thoughts? (Also, I'd like to hear some positive comments about the game from your perspective? That would be interesting).
greenapplepear what I was thinking with this song that Joel would lose himself without her and she would lose herself in the game with him gone as well 😭 game tore my heart out. But I loved every second of it and the message it gave
@greenapplepear she lost herself in a literal sense too. And I think she realizes that idea when she tries but fails to play this song at the very end. This game has great layers. While I think the first game is just a bit tighter, I think I enjoy the themes and overall message of this game a tiny bit more.
@greenapplepear exactly. I get why people think that the ending a bit weird but that's the best part of the game... especially when you understand this lyrics and tie them to the ending.
@@fleafighters i hope the ending is her going to search for Dina, not sentencing herself to a life of solitude. That'd be too depressing for me to take.
In a sense it gave Joel the closure he needed. At least he died knowing Ellie was going to forgive him eventually. In that grim world, getting closure like that and spending 4 years with your loved ones is more than a gift.
Joel's death actually is making me have nightmares now and the past weeks until now, it just feels like I have lost somebody so important and close to me. The Last of Us was the first game I have ever played in my life and Joel just felt like he was my family. After all those years I have admired Joel for being the most badass character and the dad of the year, it just feels so dumb and depressing that a character like Joel just dies. It actually makes my heart break and everytime I hear his name or something related to the last of us, it makes me incredibly sad. I just wanna say Joel is a legend and he will be no matter what, my favorite character in the gaming history for eternity. Rip Joel Miller
Wow, well I'm happy that you got to experience it fully without the idiocy surrounding it... hopefully? At the end of the day he's a fictional character but it takes a special bit of media to make you really feel that loss, but you can't let it effect your life like that dude - honestly Part 2 itself feels like it takes you through the grieving process, or it did for me - the story definitely impacted my mood for a good few days but not to the extent of having nightmares. Joel dying the way he did is very in keeping with the bleak and horrible world he and everyone else has come to live in though, put the enemies he's made along the way on top of his actions in the first game and well, you'd have to almost go out of your way to expect things to go well for him and frankly speaking he was quite lucky, it was only four years spent in Jackson but a decent chunk of that with Ellie on good terms with him and him living in general peace, I'd say it was probably his happiest/safest years since before the outbreak so I mean there is that - he didn't die a coward, his character wasn't disgraced and he'd had the best possible time leading up to his death, the cherry on top being his and Ellie's last conversation which personally makes me feel like he could accept his death a lot easier, he even saw that she came for him when he was in trouble all but confirming her words the day before, he was sent off in a brutal fashion but also with closure, something he was incredibly lucky to receive. Personally speaking I'm channeling a lot of my love for this game into learning Future Days, I already play guitar thankfully so it's not taking long at all to get better but many others have also either started to learn the songs in the game and or just pick up guitar generally, I honestly recommend something like this for you, find some way you can creatively output your feelings for the characters and the game but try not to wallow in that feeling, even if it were a real person who had died it shouldn't stop you living your life normally, you just have to do what you gotta do to grieve and then get back up again.
@Emunah • YHWH's Creation well can you really blame them? naturally some people get more attached than others even in the process of learning a perspective
"You keep finding something to fight for" - these are Joel's words. So, mate, never forget about what you are fighting for and If you lost it, then keep finding... Joel would like you to. Carry on.
@Emunah • YHWH's Creation Creating a character for people to get attached to is kind of the point though. People of sound mind know that they're not real, obviously, but you have to suspend your disbelief to an extent to immerse yourself in the story, to see the characters as people. Why else would people cry at sad stories or feel any other emotion
She saw it the whole time. After their fight at the ranch in Jackson (first game), they knew they were bonded. What Joel did in Utah still wounded the efff outta her, though.
The Last of Us: Ellie: "I swear to god, I get you out of this, you´re so singing for me" The last of Us P2: Joel: *Takes guitar*, "If i ever were to lose you, I´d surely lose myself....." I´m not crying... YOU ARE!
Spoiler! They both lost their self's. Joel lost himself when ellie discovered the truth about the cure and what Joel did to the fireflies and then didn't forgive him and talked to him. and ellie lost herself when she realized that after Joel died she didn't have enough time to restore her relationship with him before his death . This story is really sad and I'm so pissed noughty dog did us,the fans of the series dirty like that . they had 7 years to make a new story and that is what they've gone with. I expect Neil to make a dlc that would do right by the fans , so disappointed.
I see it as this. Ellie is the only person to find herself again, by the act of forgiving and letting go (therefore the flashback). Ellie accepts what happens and forgives both Joel and Abby. This is also symbolically shown by Ellie not being able to play the “i’d surely lose myself” part anymore. Ellie is the only one that is able to save herself and move on.
Tomer Yohai idk how you got that second interpretation, the game makes it pretty clear that Ellie forgives Joel at the end. And idk why you were expecting their relationship to be perfect after what Joel did, he robbed her of her life meaning something and then lied to her about it. Of course she’d be angry when she found out the full truth
ItsMrDaan I think that Abby serves as a symbolic parallel for Joel, and Ellie had to learn to forgive Abby in order to fully forgive Joel for how he wronged her. She chose love over hate, and in the end she loved Joel and knew he loved her, even if he’d slipped up
Andrew Hiner that’s exactly what i thought too. Hate only builds on hate and brings destruction. Only by letting go can one move on. Only now can she finally forgive Joel. I think it’s beautiful.
Trauma bonds people in such a permanent way. He didn't want anything to do with her in the beginning then he risked the world for her...And i'll find out in a few hours, but I think he's going to die. :(
You know what’s sad, Ellie doesn’t forgive Joel until the very end of the game, thats when she finally understands why he did what he did, and that she would also do the same for him, not until he’s dead does she truly realize just how much she loved him and that she would have done anything for him, even if it meant dooming the entire world in the process...that’s why she breaks down when letting Abby go, because the whole thing runs much deeper than Abby, the thought that she never got to tell Joel she forgives him, that she loves him...that he never knew, that knowledge is what has its hooks in her throughout the entire game, and she thinks killing Abby is the only way to make it right, not until she has Abby at her mercy does she realize that killing her won’t fix anything.
Killing Abby wouldn’t have brought Joel back, and I think that’s something Abby learned after killing Joel in vengeance for her father, it still didn’t bring him back. The dissatisfaction was all on her face, and then for Abby to lose everyone she cared and loved for.....Ellie and Abby were more the same than different, they shared a similar pain.
They said this game was going to be dark and grim. Just didn't realize how dark until finishing up the story. Man if they make a 3rd, let's hope for a semi happy ending like the 1st game's was.
@@deez6102 yes, I told her about Ellie and Tommy and the Jackson community too, she said to me that she sees Ellie like sister and would be good friends with her
"if I ever were to lose you, I'd surely lose myself". This makes me cry. Joel always put his life to risk to save ellie coz he don't want to lose something precious to him again, like his daughter, but now he cannot protect ellie anymore rip JOEL I wish this was all a dream...😢
This series is the gold standard for storytelling. This is one of the few fictional universes where I feel the characters. I literally have cried at least 3 times while playing this game.
MasterGamer23 I loved the game so much. I feel people are just disappointed with it and I don’t understand. The character development is beautiful and amazing, and all the emotional bits and pieces are perfectly in place. Not to mention the ending looks worse than I think it is and people hate the ending for that. Ellie doesn’t get justice. Spoilers ahead. It looks like Ellie has lost everyone she loves, and because of her need for revenge lost the woman she loves. But if you look back to when she was in Santa Barbara, she doesn’t have the bracelet that Dina had given her. It isn’t even in her backpack. But then when she gets back to the farm, she’s wearing it. Also she has nothing in her backpack when she gets back, there’s no way she’d just leave her weapons and whatnot. And Dina loved her. Even if Dina didn’t want to be with her anymore because of her need for revenge, she still would have at least left a note. And Jesse’s parents did give them a note saying that they’re always welcome in Jackson. So I think that Ellie got back and her and Dina decided to start a life in Jackson together, and since it looks like Ellie’s fingers had at least a few months to heal, this seems to be her coming back to remember good times with Joel. And she left everything there to let it all go, let it be the past. If this theory of mine is correct, it’s a fantastic ending to the game with no loose ends. I hope it’s true. It makes sense with all the clues. One last clue I noticed is Ellie wasn’t wearing Joel’s jacket when she got back. There’s no way she’d ever get rid of it, so it’s stored somewhere right? Possibly in Jackson where she might’ve come from. I love this story so much, cried many many tears and had my heart both shattered and filled. Such good and realistic character developments and a great story.
SPOILERS**** When ellie sung this later in the game it hit me hard. I dont think ive evere felt emotional for a game like this before. Its heartbreaking..
We are Venom I would agree with that this game hit me pretty hard emotionally at points. It was very brutal and very sad. I didn’t sleep good at all last night because i was dreaming about it and how everything played out. Woke up every hour just to return to my emotional dreams over the game.
Really gotta commend Troy's ability to convey Joel's meekness in this performance. He could have easily sang the roof off, but Joel was clearly nervous to reconnect with Ellie AND to be that vulnerable. The anxiety in his singing voice broke me down.
"Future Days" - Joel sings to Ellie LYRICS If I ever were to lose you I'd surely lose myself Everything I have found here I've not found by myself Try and sometimes you'll succeed To make this man of me All my stolen missing parts I've no need for anymore 'Cause I believe And I believe 'cause I can see Our future days Days of you and me Wonderful...
Idk if you know but he actually sings as well! He released an album several years back. He's very talented. He and Ashley Johnson could probably release a little EP of songs from the singing talent they showed in this game
I just love how they turned a love song to a song about parenting and then this was turned sad seeing how their future days were actually not that good, and even very short
People can say what they want about killing Joel off early but i love how this game portrays Joel and Ellies relationship. The flashbacks shows how much Ellie means to Joel and in Joels mind he made the right decision and Ellie is still willing to forgive him because she realises how much Joels loves her and she also loves him. It breaks my heart that they were gonna watch a movie together the night Joel dies. I think this game shows time and time again that in this world there are no villains or heroes, people do what they do because of love and survival. Joel kills the fireflies because of his love for Ellie, Abby kills Joel because she loved her father and Ellie wants revenge because she loves Joel but im glad that in the end she doesnt think its worth it.
Underrated comment. Also, the conflict between the Seraphites and the WLF's portrays this theme on a large scale. During the scars island mission, I was literally saying that these people need to take a break from killing each other, it's just so useless and tragic.
You've already put more thought into it that the screeching hoards who just think this game butchered everything they loved. Or that the game was a big FU from Neil and his team.
I think it was mainly the logic that led to it, and not so much the death as sad it was, Joel wouldn't tell strangers who he was where he lived and generally anything that would compromise his or anyone else's safety, fault of Neil deuckman desiring shock value and losing sight in many assumptions, nonetheless your not wrong for appreciating it whether it's right or wrong or illogical an such, if you enjoyed it that's more power to you, just hope the next one will make more sense for all our sakes 😁
I feel like Ellie meant a lot more to Joel than vice versa. Idk I just feel like maybe Joel saw her as his daughter whereas Ellie just saw Joel as a close friend.
joseph west I couldn’t agree more. This game was like the first where I had so many moments of laughter, pain, hurt, and excitement! Even outright fear! I remember shaking so much and crying so much
Lică “bruh”what? This is a beautiful game and I’d do the same honestly. It’s the same as naming your kid after someone in the real world, only better in my opinion.
Listening to this song after finishing the game just breaks my heart. Joel truly cared for Ellie's wellbeing, even after all his crimes because of a destroyed world, he's trying to become the father he was before Sarah's death. He's making all these efforts to have a normal life again and erase his past. It's rare that I get so emotionally attached to a character, Joel is more than a father for Ellie, he is a father for the player and we're learning to appreciate Ellie's character along with him... Unlike many people saying that his death was shit, for me his death was really sad and violent but also necessary, for a moment he wasn't anymore the hunter he was during all these years, he was the trapped prey and it shows us that he isn't anymore the "monster" of the 1st opus who could kill an entire group of men and never crumble or feel pity, he was a real human and his feelings for Ellie were genuine.
1:16 The way she looks at him is so touching. It's as if she realises just how intimate an act this is for him, that he probably hasn't performed like this for anyone for a very, very long time, as well as the meaning of what he's singing
“Ellie what are most of afraid of?” Ellie: “ending up alone” I swear playing this game sent chills over my body numerous times. When she replayed this song In the theatre it had me bawling. Such a connection between the both of them even though they’re not related, he was her father figure. Even through all the arguments he was always her number one.
If I ever were to lose you I'd surely lose myself Everything I have found here I've not found by myself Try and sometimes you'll succeed To make this man of me All of my stolen missing parts I've no need for anymore Cause I believe And I believe 'cause I can see Our future days Days of you and me
Joel’s love for Ellie is so strong that this really got to me. The game is flawless and I cried multiple times especially during Joel and Ellie’s sequences. Can’t wait to play it all again👏
Hearing Ellie sing the lines, "I'd surely lose myself." she lost Joel and then she lost herself and went down a road of destruction that only led to more pain and watching her try to play at the end I was just like :( the entire time
Kinda similar to what going on with me my ex girlfriend was the reason I was suicidal before because we broke up and some else that’s personal happened so in a way I want revenge on her and her entire friends you know I lost myself but I don’t care I want my revenge
@@shadowfuture1378 I'm really sorry to hear you're going through that. I was in a really abusive relationship and for a long time I was just angry and hurt and wanted revenge but I realized the mental toll it had on me was pain being revisited and I had to learn to let go and move on. I hope what you're going through doesn't lead to you feeling more pain cause I understand that feeling and it's not something I want anyone else to feel. I hope you're okay.
i need to put this out there; this is one of the best stories i have ever experienced, i feel shattered, repulsive, tired, longing for some release, but in the end just as Ellie, i understand that the only path for revenge is forgiveness, she knew that killing abby wasn't going to give her peace, as we learned halfway through the game, when we saw that killing joel didn't give abby peace. i lament that people can´t get the brilliance of this script, i will never forget this game. The world, music and characters that accompany the story end up creating something memorable, it is not a perfect game, but it is a masterpiece that takes video games to a new level.
They wanted a realistic story, Joel is just a survivor, he can die in a shit way just like everyone else. The game show how things never go the way we want, and can always get worse, just like in real life, no matter the reasons behind every action, life isn't fair. Naughty Dog managed to make people feel ange, hate, and a feeling of revenge just like Ellie. Most people didnt like because there is no happy ending. Every time in the game u are anxious or sad, just like Ellie. I dont think the story is bad, is very good. Is just fucking sad :( Life just isn't fair and the game show that very well.
Lucas Morais while your points make sense my issue with the story is that Joel’s death felt forced because he totally acted out of character. The previous game established that Joel is wary of strangers because he is a survivor; yet in this game we willingly tells Abby’s group his name and where he’s from. It’s lazy decisions like that which make his death feel rushed when it could’ve been more meaningful. In addition, I do agree with your point that this game was realistic, but my issue is that if life is so unfair and video games are an escape from that unfairness, it seems intruding to force that on me. Personally I don’t think the harsh realities of life and a good story are mutually exclusive-but I’m not saying this game needed a happy-go-lucky everything is great ending, just one with resolution and a sense of completion. The ending felt empty to the extent of which the entire story was meaningless and a bit preachy
I lost my Dad around a month ago. I've never experienced a pain like this. My body does not feel like it did while he was here. A piece of me feels empty. My mind rejects that he is no longer here but I have to accept it. He is gone. Tell your people you love em. It all happened so fast. My Dad was a good man. Never take good people in your life for granted. I am grateful that he had 57 years on this Earth. God bless.
This was such a vulnerable but touching moment. You can really feel through this scene just how much Joel loves Ellie, and he didn't even have to say it. That's powerful within itself.
I didn’t realize initially that this was a Pearl Jam song... During gameplay in a music store I came across a Pearl Jam poster for their 2013 album and text my dad about it with a screenshot because Pearl Jam is his #1 favorite band. My dad’s 50th birthday is in a week and I can’t go see him because of coronavirus. Then I come to find out this song to Ellie is a Pearl Jam song.... it hit me harder than it should’ve
That’s funny, I didn’t know either and my dad loves Pearl Jam. So when I found the music store I also sent a picture of the poster, ofc my dad already knew Pearl Jam was in it from PJ’s twitter😂. Edit: my dad was also going to see Pearl Jam and Covid :(
Pearl Jam is my favorite band and I was already crazy when I was playing and this part came, plus the lightning bolt post of their album and them being in Seattle, where PJ came from alongside the other grunge bands ❤❤❤❤
Ever since I played Part 2, I've been feeling an emotion I haven't felt in a long time, and I now know what it is. I'm feeling like shit because I feel like I just lost a loved one, someone very close to me. No character's death in videogames, TV, or movies I've felt as bad as Joel's. This series has truly changed my life, and it has for the better.
I have cried out every single tear I had listening to it the first time. And every time I think about it, I cry again. Here I am, playing it to my guitar, shedding tears, having those two in my mind. The emotions, the journey Joel and Ellie gave us are absolutely something I will have forever with me in my heart. Thanks for everything
This song Joel sung at the start & Ellie kept playing small parts of was actually genius. “If I ever were to lose you, I’d surely lose myself” is significant because Ellie lost Joel and throughout the game she slowly loses herself & everyone around her.
