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Johann Sebastian Bach: Mass in B minor, BWV 232 - Jordi Savall (HD 1080p) 

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Johann Sebastian Bach (1685-1750)
♪ Mass in B minor, BWV 232 (1749)
i. Missa (Kyrie & Gloria)
ii. Symbolum Nicenum (Credo)
iii. Sanctus
iv. Osanna, Benedictus, Agnus Dei, Dona nobis pacem
Céline Scheen, soprano I
Yetzabel Arias, soprano II
Pascal Bertin, countertenor
Makoto Sakurada, tenor
Stephan MacLeod, bass
La Capella Reial de Catalunya
Le Concert des Nations
Conductor: Jordi Savall
Direction: Andy Sommer
Recorded at the Abbaye de Fontfroide, Narbonne, July 19, 2011
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@reasilviamurgic4325
@reasilviamurgic4325 3 месяца назад
after so many years of trying, finally a great performance... Savall achieved it, clarity, finesse and balance.
@shahaadahabdul-jame8259
@shahaadahabdul-jame8259 9 месяцев назад
Baroque music is one of the best and Bach, of course, was the greatest of the era.
@rickaylward8449
@rickaylward8449 Год назад
Oh my golly gosh! The women in this video are so beautiful!!! They break my heart! And the music is really good too! What a treat!
@lamaindujazzradioweb1013
@lamaindujazzradioweb1013 2 года назад
Merci Monsieur Savall, il est très rare de rencontrer une version comme celle ci... profondeur, amplitude, justesse des voix, les larmes, nous les avons, merci merci...
@openmusic3904
@openmusic3904 6 лет назад
Words cannot describe how much I adore Bach and this piece in particular, not only is his music a grand example of beauty and craftsmanship, it is like going on an exploration. With the rich, multi-layered, and fine-tuned counterpoint it is as if the music is a long lost cathedral and you alone are charged with exploring it to uncover its hidden treasures.
@hagaroshri9476
@hagaroshri9476 Год назад
חחח חחח
@kcajmortsnnew1488
@kcajmortsnnew1488 6 лет назад
Growing up in a time and place when a Bach recording was rare ,I am SO glad to have lived long enough to be able to access such fine performances of so much and varied music...who says there are no miracles ?......
@tserkoslavjanskij
@tserkoslavjanskij 4 года назад
Another miracle is being blessed with a good tenor voice, having learned to read music, and to perform the B-minor Mass under the direction of a conductor like Jordi Savall. This isn't to say that there aren't other fine conductors, but performing under Mr Savall's direction never fails to make me feel that we might just be given grace to join the heavenly chorus. And to think there are people who resort to opioids for a high.
@gemstone212121
@gemstone212121 3 года назад
Thank you for your comment. Could you be specific about the time and place to which you refer? Just curious, thank you.
@tserkoslavjanskij
@tserkoslavjanskij Год назад
@@gemstone212121 Sorry to be slow in replying. You'll find details of the performance, including the names of the instrumentalists, soloists, and choristers at the end of the RU-vid recording,
@agamaz5650
@agamaz5650 5 лет назад
i am a demanding listener but omg this is insane, bach was not human this is the highest quality of music
@gemstone212121
@gemstone212121 3 года назад
00:40 I. Kyrie 18:02 II. Gloria, 48:10 2/9 Cum sancto spiritu 52:35 III. Credo, 1:20:30 3/9 Et expecto 1:22:55 IV. Sanctus, 1:37:45 Agnus Dei, 1:42:28 Dona nobis pacem
@mrbanks5344
@mrbanks5344 8 месяцев назад
Jordi Savall es un dels músics catalans mes importants que tenim. Es un home d´una gran cultura, i es el MESTRE. M´encanta Bach.
@lordchameleon2650
@lordchameleon2650 4 года назад
To me this is the best recording out there in youtube because of the conductor, solists and the details. You can hear almost every voice at the same time. For example at 1:13:19
@blancaperse
@blancaperse 3 года назад
Yes, and because of the tempo. See that other directors are slow, and if the ending is slow you can't reach the glory of the end. I actually adore Jordi Savall, he is big, very big.
@reasilviamurgic4325
@reasilviamurgic4325 Год назад
The best performance I've ever heard, unbelievably…
@danielpincus221
@danielpincus221 Год назад
Wonderful in every way. Now, imagine that these talented artists singing from memory, which is to say from sensation, listening, and imagination. What’s the difference between this music and an opera? Nothing!! I’ve sung it, and there’s nothing like singing it from memory. Period. End of story.
@alvarogarciabarbosa3199
@alvarogarciabarbosa3199 Год назад
Es magnífica la versión dirigida por Jordi Savall. Tan excelente como la de Gardiner. Gracias 🙂!!
@MariaGarcia-yg2uw
@MariaGarcia-yg2uw Год назад
De las diez composiciones más hermosas de Bach para la civilización Católica bimilenaria
@alvarogarciabarbosa3199
@alvarogarciabarbosa3199 Год назад
Aunque recuerda que él era luterano.
@lluciasangraipons1254
@lluciasangraipons1254 Год назад
Bach i Savall . Magnific maridatge !! Moltes gràcies !!😉❤🌹
@marshallross3373
@marshallross3373 5 лет назад
Gotta hand it to the genius of Bach to orchestrate this level of polyphony...so much happening in the music.
@Chronos445
@Chronos445 Год назад
Bach reached his hand and touched the heavens following the movements of the clouds with divine music!!
@alvarolopezyepes2746
@alvarolopezyepes2746 2 года назад
¡ Respect and love, Don Savall !. I could not see him at the Metropolitan Teathre from Medellín. Another day will be.
@rmilrta
@rmilrta 4 года назад
Never performed in full during Bach's lifetime. And now.. I'd say it's an astonishing and strange world, but it's really this music.
@TheSoteriologist
@TheSoteriologist 16 дней назад
On the whole just wonderful ! One of the three best versions I know.
@starnafin
@starnafin 7 лет назад
This performance has something about it that no other has. The intimacy of the venue and the really authentic sound of the instruments and freedom of the singers somehow makes you listen and almost be a part of a performance that is really special.
@thevoiceofhumanitynetwork72
@thevoiceofhumanitynetwork72 3 года назад
i think a lot of it is the imagery they show of the surrounding mountains and hallways.
@user-yw1nj4sv5u
@user-yw1nj4sv5u 5 лет назад
The great conductor Jordi Savall, one of the major figures in the field of early music reminded me the other giant, the late Karl Richter performing with the Munchener Bach Orchester and Bach Choir the same masterpiece of JSB in the Odeon of Herodes Atticus in June 1972 in Athens and also August Wenzinger and Schola Cantorum Basiliensis in Istanbul - what a masterpiece... a miracle! Thank you.. Constantin Fotiadis
@mirko9072
@mirko9072 5 лет назад
K. Richter! His B minor is unmatched ❤
@prppedro
@prppedro 3 года назад
This piece really showcases the absurd attention to the detail J. Savall is famous for. Also, Le Concert des Nations is absolutely flawlessly. That makes this interpreation, if not the best -- I personally think it is, though --, at least the most special one.
@agustinmarquez2594
@agustinmarquez2594 10 месяцев назад
Obra maestra en cuatro tiempos, ES ARTE PLENA DE COMPOSICION MUSICAL
@jamv423
@jamv423 2 года назад
This is perfection
@jean-marcvivier5129
@jean-marcvivier5129 4 года назад
Acabo de descubrir esta version de la misa en si menor de jordi Savall, que bien conozco. Solia escuchar otras versiones.Extraordinario, entranable. Armonia lujuriante que invade el espacio. No escapa nada. Ni nadie. Me encanta y me llena de alegria. de felicidad. Os aconsejo una grabacion de él: Las rutas de la esclavitud. Belleza de la musica y belleza de las ideas. Bravo Jordi Savall;
@franciscovidalsorde3364
@franciscovidalsorde3364 2 года назад
y yo, humildemente, te aconsejo que escuches la misa por NBS, asi de sencillo: Bach 232 nbs.
@charliecrcc3859
@charliecrcc3859 2 года назад
Sublime.
@odettefrancois4735
@odettefrancois4735 Год назад
El genio de Bach es el padre de la música, sus obras sublimes llegan al alma, excelente interpretación del coro y orquesta, saludos desde Chile 🇨🇱🎶🎻🎶🎹🎶🎻💚
@orion5992
@orion5992 5 лет назад
It's as if Bach Himself were presiding! STUNNING performance, as anything is, involving Jordi Savill. Equally Awesome is the Masterful Filming of this work of art! Peace and Good Will to All!
@nawfalsalman3074
@nawfalsalman3074 5 лет назад
When I see Mass in B minor on youtube I head directly toward Quoniam to check how it is performed, because I think it is the most difficult aria for the bass and natural hornist . And in this performance it was done very well by the both the hornist and the bass
@rayancharafeddine4982
@rayancharafeddine4982 4 года назад
I'd judge a mass by the choruses honnestly
@sabineschett6277
@sabineschett6277 3 года назад
Vielen Dank
@iplaytheorgan2
@iplaytheorgan2 4 года назад
What a masterful interpretation and performance!! I’m sure Bach is pleased!!
@EssentialClassical
@EssentialClassical 5 лет назад
48:28 Coro: Cum Sancto Spiritu .. when the harmony at the highest together with double choral & double orchestra with complete variety in tones and diversity in vocals! only Bach can do it.
@alegal752
@alegal752 3 года назад
Un capolavoro di Divinita'. GRande BACH ... bravi interpreti.
@ronwalker4849
@ronwalker4849 6 лет назад
BACH´S MAGNIFICENT MASS IN B- WAS A FLOWER WASTING IT´S FRAGANCE ON THE DESERT AIR AS I WAS NEVER PERFERMED DURING HIS LIFETIME, WAITING FOR THE 19TH CENTURY TO REDISCOVER THIS PIECE. SOMETHING AKIN TO AN UNRQUITED LIVE.
@felixfourcolor
@felixfourcolor 25 дней назад
I. Kyrie and Gloria ("Missa") 0:46 1. Kyrie eleison 9:48 2. Christe eleison 15:01 3. Kyrie eleison 18:07 4. Gloria in excelsis 19:47 5. Et in terra pax 24:15 6. Laudamus te 28:32 7. Gratias agimus tibi 31:09 8. Domine Deus 36:34 9. Qui tollis peccata mundi 39:29 10. Qui sedes ad dexteram Patris 43:52 11. Quoniam tu solus sanctus 48:28 12. Cum Sancto Spiritu II. Credo ("Symbolum Nicenum") 52:32 1. Credo in unum Deum 54:31 2. Patrem omnipotentem 56:38 3. Et in unum Dominum 1:01:08 4. Et incarnatus est 1:04:14 5. Crucifixus 1:06:50 6. Et resurrexit 1:11:08 7. Et in Spiritum Sanctum 1:16:21 8. Confiteor 1:20:35 9. Et expecto III. Sanctus 1:23:00 1. Sanctus 1:25:06 2. Pleni sunt coeli IV. Osanna, Benedictus, Agnus Dei and Dona Nobis Pacem 1:27:24 1. Osanna 1:30:09 2. Benedictus 1:34:22 3. Osanna (da capo) 1:37:03 4. Agnus Dei 1:42:33 5. Dona nobis pacem Data taken from SponsorBlock. It's a browser extension that integrates community-provided timstamps into youtube UI, download it to have these timestamps appear on the play bar.
@TheSoteriologist
@TheSoteriologist 7 месяцев назад
The _"Qui tollis peccata mundi"_ in this version is exceptional.
@MikeMack1994
@MikeMack1994 4 года назад
I like this orchestra. I believe they are in Barcelona, where even street music, generally, has good acoustics. They are well synced, and pleasing to the ear.
@mikakangasaho1236
@mikakangasaho1236 3 года назад
Sublime! Pure Divine Beauty!
@daviddemar8749
@daviddemar8749 7 лет назад
a very beautiful performance of one of the most fabulous pieces in the classical music canon. I felt like I was right there in the church hearing and feeling a live event. thanks for uploading it. anyone who hears the Gloria in this Mass and is not uplifted by it must not have a soul....
@michaelormond6480
@michaelormond6480 6 лет назад
Even corrupted philosophers are touched by the massive beauty. Thanks
@MrLeopoldreinecke
@MrLeopoldreinecke 5 лет назад
the soul is where you think/feel and do (Intellect/emotion/volition). The spirit is where you experience God and communicate with God....here, I would venture to say you mean the spirit rather than soul. Intuition, communion and conscience are the functions of the spirit and that is what I think you meant?
@marekcisowski8713
@marekcisowski8713 6 месяцев назад
the tempos were chosen perfectly
@TheSoteriologist
@TheSoteriologist Месяц назад
Didn't you find the _"Sanctus"_ a bit fast ?
@mama-mt6qc
@mama-mt6qc Месяц назад
@@TheSoteriologist a litle maybe
@nickhansen144
@nickhansen144 5 лет назад
Thank you RU-vid and your channel for providing this work of art by Bach...... the choir and orchestra were in a zone and performed superbly. And of course... thank you God and Jesus!
@luiskino7401
@luiskino7401 6 лет назад
This is, by far, my favourite interpretation of this masterpiece! ¡Sublime!
@motishefer4732
@motishefer4732 4 года назад
You should have listened to Gardiner with the English Barock and Monteverdi Qcuires with Hanna Morrison the legendary teenager (when recorded) soprano. Next only to God.
@luiskino7401
@luiskino7401 3 года назад
oh! sounds interesting, i´ll search for it, thanks!
@gman012013
@gman012013 7 месяцев назад
Karl Richter is infinitly better than Gardiner
@karlgrafvonmoy855
@karlgrafvonmoy855 5 лет назад
Verglichen mit J.E. Gardiner zieht Savall das Tempo im ersten Kyrie etwas an - es ist ein wirkliches "Andante" kein "Lento" - und das bekommt diesem unvergleichlichen Stück sehr gut. Überhaupt eine der allerschönsten Aufnahmen der Messe, die man im Internet finden kann.
@robmaddison8645
@robmaddison8645 4 года назад
What an amazing location for this wonderful performance. Stunning.
@aarondyer.pianist
@aarondyer.pianist 6 лет назад
I keep coming back to this especially to Domine Deus at 31:00. Great tempo, great treatment by the soloists, and the nature scenes are just perfect. Whole performance is wonderful.
@301250
@301250 3 года назад
Magnifique! This is another of my favourite B minor Mass besides those of Gardiner, Corboz, Nelson and Savall. The Benedictus, sung movingly here by Emiliano Gonzalez Toro and accompanied so sublimely by the superb flautist stands out amongst the rest (I mean from the other B minor masses) for me at least! Merci beaucoup.
@ChollieD
@ChollieD 5 лет назад
Props to the director and crew of the program for television. They did great work capturing the performance on video and audio. Très, très bien fait à tous! (And I second every nice thing said in these comments about the performance, as well!)
@jalexander2106
@jalexander2106 5 лет назад
WHAT A BEAUTIFUL PIECE OF MUSIC, WHAT A LOVELY PERFORMANCE, WHAT A DELICIOUS MOMENT LISTENING THIS MARVELLOUS, THIS MASTERPIECE, THIS REALLY HUMAN CREATION! THAKN YOU VERY MUCH FOR SHARING HERE ND GIVE US SUCH A TREMENDOUS MOMENT!
@aulavocal5573
@aulavocal5573 2 года назад
Emocionant de dalt a baix.
@jonathandyment1444
@jonathandyment1444 3 года назад
12:12 by an illusion the conductor and the soloist appear to be in an embrace.
@ssimon9025
@ssimon9025 24 дня назад
Splendens 🌷🌻⚘️🌻
@valentincolasMangeon
@valentincolasMangeon 6 лет назад
Il s'agit de la meilleure version que j'ai pu écouter. Et j'en ai écouté beaucoup ! ^^
@itemeodem2616
@itemeodem2616 4 года назад
Ohne die Musik Bach‘s wäre ich ohne Trost in dieser durchgeknallten Zeit
@Vanchy58
@Vanchy58 6 лет назад
Simplemente sublime y cautivadora interpretación que nos ofreció el maestro Jordi Savall con el conjunto orquestal coro y solistas, todos muy bien equilibrados y con un carisma apropiado que exige esta obra considerada la obra cumbre y capital de la música sacra del barroco. Bravo!
@marcdesaint-exupery7329
@marcdesaint-exupery7329 5 лет назад
Magnifique, c'est sublime !
@emmanueleestaque3347
@emmanueleestaque3347 5 лет назад
merci c'est juste merci de vous pour ce grand amour compositeur
@sebastiaoalves469
@sebastiaoalves469 7 лет назад
Mais uma vez: O Gênio Johann Sebastian Bach !
@arturoblancocoto
@arturoblancocoto 3 года назад
Qué versión más interesante, el señor Savall tiene una trayectoria intachable en música de todas las épocas, me encantó! España, un país de grandes talentos y de muchas cosas bellas y positivas. Saludos desde Costa Rica!
@jean-jacques7083
@jean-jacques7083 6 лет назад
Thanks Faces of Classical Music-2 , magnifique interprétation Mass in B minor de Bach par Jordi Savall merveilleux , Joyeux Noel
@emilianocorradi4079
@emilianocorradi4079 4 года назад
I am speechless...
@geonmzahsan6640
@geonmzahsan6640 5 лет назад
Tremendous work. Glorious
@baroqueman1
@baroqueman1 8 лет назад
A spirited and uplifting performance of a sublime work !
@mariavanhoof7961
@mariavanhoof7961 3 года назад
Un gozo esta Misa en B, fantástica interpretacion por coro,orquesta y solistas. Jordi Savall sublime, muchas gracias
@nickhansen144
@nickhansen144 5 лет назад
this song is incredible and epic as well
@helenlauer9465
@helenlauer9465 7 лет назад
absolutely wonderful thank you for this upload. So few in the chorus - the sound is so clean; agile, definitive.
@editaguinea8320
@editaguinea8320 4 года назад
An amazing performance! Sanctus a little bit too fast for my taste. Excellent Quoniam!
@mathieuguillet4036
@mathieuguillet4036 3 года назад
Overall fantastic, but the Dona Nobis Pacem is criminally fast.
@OlmoBlancoCountertenor
@OlmoBlancoCountertenor 5 лет назад
Sublime...
@paoloangeri5146
@paoloangeri5146 2 года назад
stupenda esecuzione bravissimi complimenti
@giuseppepucci9258
@giuseppepucci9258 5 лет назад
Straordinario....... 🎼🎼🎼🎼
@edwardruane8993
@edwardruane8993 3 года назад
Fantastic!
@manuelgilbertorubiogonzale3255
@manuelgilbertorubiogonzale3255 3 года назад
Hermoso!!!
@sallyhuxley8947
@sallyhuxley8947 6 лет назад
Sanctus performed at the correct tempo for Bach's time and a revelation here. Lively and spirited rather than the usual dirge.Jordi Savall should pass his knowledge on to a few more conductors!
@renep9968
@renep9968 5 лет назад
I don't know how the tempi were in those days, but indeed, this is a revelation!
@mirko9072
@mirko9072 5 лет назад
Oh yes, so of we just double the speed another time we will get even a more correct tempo! How dogmatic.
@remomazzetti8757
@remomazzetti8757 7 месяцев назад
How could you possibly claim to know what the correct speed of Bach's time was? Tour comment is typical of the nonsense posted on RU-vid with a depressing regularity.
@jsbpsm
@jsbpsm 7 лет назад
fantastico
@johanneswolfgangkolbneuhau5231
¡ felicidades, excelentes, vigorosas y nítidas voces, buenas cuerdas y alientos, felicidades Jordi ! AMDG
@simonetom
@simonetom 3 года назад
Gloria 18:05 Cum sancto 48:27 Ed incarnatus 1:01:06 Sanctus 1:22:57
@geonmzahsan6640
@geonmzahsan6640 5 лет назад
Tremendous. Wish u perform at New Delhi
@emilvincent5034
@emilvincent5034 3 года назад
Come to brazil
@piuchello
@piuchello 6 лет назад
Nadie ha superado aún la interpretación de Gustav Leonhardt
@FrancescoPirrone
@FrancescoPirrone 5 лет назад
❤️
@martinkanthi3464
@martinkanthi3464 6 лет назад
j aime cette version pour son dynamisme mais les choeurs sont absorbés par l orchestre brillant il manque des choristes pour étoffer cette oeuvre mais c est très sonore et musical
@michaelsanchez6387
@michaelsanchez6387 6 лет назад
0:45
@manualonso7
@manualonso7 7 лет назад
1:37:50 that moment
@agamaz5650
@agamaz5650 5 лет назад
wtf that voice is too high pitched for a guy
@agamaz5650
@agamaz5650 5 лет назад
lmao i would sing that in 1 or 2 octaves lower
@chirotteri
@chirotteri 5 лет назад
Then have a listen to Andreas Scholl (Mass by Herreweghe)
@hajnalkahorvath3133
@hajnalkahorvath3133 3 года назад
He is Máté Balázs hungarian chellist, I love his playing on chello, indescribable, so unworldly, so intense, his performance touch my heart so much every time. Thank you!
@riccardoleone9661
@riccardoleone9661 7 месяцев назад
28:33❤.
@TheSoteriologist
@TheSoteriologist Месяц назад
The _"Sanctus"_ is surprisingly fast.
@raquelmartina400
@raquelmartina400 3 года назад
Maravilloso. El contratenor!!!
@psalmtone2008
@psalmtone2008 4 года назад
I thought Gardiner could not be matched in this. I was wrong.
@psalmtone2008
@psalmtone2008 4 года назад
And the guy kinda looks like Kevin Kline. Just sayin'.
@kisskari
@kisskari 7 лет назад
43:52 - 48:28 -- who is the virtuoso natural hornist? :)
@kisskari
@kisskari 7 лет назад
thank you very much for the info, i will check on him!
@camilorojas1744
@camilorojas1744 6 лет назад
Doesn't he play for Bayern Munchen? (Just kidding)
@marksteinhaeuser
@marksteinhaeuser 5 лет назад
right!
@chirotteri
@chirotteri 5 лет назад
Need to know far in advance of such events... so to book a 6 months stay before the concert and 6 months after it....
@baroqueanimation982
@baroqueanimation982 4 года назад
To the video editor and people in charge of including the landscape clips (example 32:20): very nice! It helps illustrating Bach's message (/ religion's message). I also try to illustrate Bach's music on my channel, using movie clips.
@Samuel10463
@Samuel10463 3 года назад
I guess nobody noticed 300 milliseconds audio delay here?
@paullilliott7565
@paullilliott7565 6 месяцев назад
Utterly and completely BEAUTIFUL! Savall a chosi l'abbaye de Fontfroide - un lieu d'une beaute incroyable tout plein de memoires... the whole piece is utterly brilliant. Stephan McLeod ist ein genie und auch Jordi Savall. DONA NOBIS PACEM en este tiempo de guerra y tragedia - que Dios ayude a a los pobres de Gaza! Estamos experimentando lo mas ALTO y lo mas BAJO del mundo - Bach y Israel.
@maxcocciuto5811
@maxcocciuto5811 5 лет назад
Cercavo il dona nobis pacem e forse era meglio se non aprivo questo video. A parte la qualità sonora della registrazione, un tempo così veloce (forse a 120) non fa apprezzare nulla di un andante che qui andante non è. Non si apprezza la costruzione di una armonia che parte dai bassi ed arriva ai soprani con una costruzione magnifica. Ha il tempo di una fuga. Torno da Rilling e da Richter.
@preciousse1
@preciousse1 6 лет назад
On se demande ce que reprochent les 5 "dislikers". Pourtant tout est là dès les premières mesures. L'acoustique un poil trop réverbérante de l'abbaye, peut-être?
@stefanoferrari5747
@stefanoferrari5747 Год назад
Piú véloce che i ristoranti chiudono.
@anatolytatarco4155
@anatolytatarco4155 5 лет назад
Free at last.
@chirotteri
@chirotteri 5 лет назад
Super Like. Not the ultimate rendition but... How I wish I could be there in front line!!!...
@bastiencombe-tenor5109
@bastiencombe-tenor5109 5 лет назад
But .... Where is the Benedictus ?? And how do I work it now ? :D
@renep9968
@renep9968 5 лет назад
Where it is? Did you fell asleep during the performance?
@fooberdooge3103
@fooberdooge3103 5 лет назад
Sanctus waaaaaaay too fast
@sheldonbazinga3985
@sheldonbazinga3985 2 года назад
Bénéficiant de l'acoustique millénaire de Fontfroide, on a plaisir à écouter cette jolie musique qui n'a pas grand-chose à voir avec Bach, les instruments sonnant comme ceux d'un orchestre de bal paysan. Il est sympa Jordi, mais il nous livre des antiquités en carton depuis 40 années. On l'aime bien quand-même, il est sympa, mais c'est bien tout.
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