It looks like arsen lets both his feet up in the air right after the Go-signal. That's cheating since liliev's opponent must carry all of liliev's wieght.
@@Aex89 Keep making excuses? the match is over and done with... EONS ago... and if you are watching these replays you must be retarded if u think Arsen isnt false starting(moving before go) and elbow fouling..
You know when a champ is real when he doesn't complain even when he knows the opponent is cheatting and the judges aren't doing their job properly. Must respect for the living legend Brzenk.
+pabnaful his starts are legit its the elbow off the back of the pad which is not legal. It doesn't take away how unbelievably amazing he is. I mean no one flashes john like that... he didn't complain he just said fair play. I do believe that if arsen wasn't allowed to get away with elbow fouling every time he got into a bad position that john would have won this 4 2. Also john was quite injured going into this and it got worse in the match.
0:45 what a badass classic moment where John tries and gets stone walled both shaking their heads in acknowledgment. Then he takes another try powering through, then Arsen, "Yeah you got me that time"
Dawg Tuff no, arsen isn't false start, I dont see any cheating on him, he just have more explosive than john , he so fast, thats why john was hard to control his arm. but respect for john brzenk, legend.
You guys are really funny talking about Liliev's cheating starts...This is just his way of pulling, his own move...Refeeres are there to judge, let them do their job, and stop blame Arsen for everything with no reason.
reason John Brzenk is upset is Arsen constant false starting which he is gettin away with since match is on russian soil... Arsen Liliev fasle starts nearly every match.. notice how refere breaths in to say go and Arsen is already going.. also in match with Zelimhan Zankharov.. there it is absolutely obvious..
Old video but wow, Arsen was going before the ref even said "ready" lol. He may have set a record for how early of a false start he did on every round. Great showing of defense from John nonetheless!
For Experts in a comment section... Engin himself said that Video had a sound delay and it seems like Arsen is false starting every time. It is was shot more than 13 years ago guys chill :D
@@ioannisdiam He is the biggest fan of John there is. Stop being dumb and piece together simple information that if there would be an early starts he would have called them..
@cratos900 at 1:28 in 0.25x , watch it without sound , definitely a false start . Engin is a big fan John, but he is a great friend of arsen too . He didn't want to help Arsen but would want to save himself from criticism.
@@prashantsinghsisodia6709 If you newwd 0.25 speed than it sure acceptable. If you are a puller you will know that one goes on the perceived notion of G letter notion, Its a skill itself.
@@jhettbrewin322 You are stupid are you? What does this has to do with audio out of sync? You can visually see Arsen's arm moving before the ref hand let go.
It looks like arsen lets both his feet up in the air right after the Go-signal. That's cheating since liliev's opponent must carry all of liliev's wieght.
It looks like arsen lets both his feet up in the air right after the Go-signal. That's cheating since liliev's opponent must carry all of liliev's wieght.
For all of you saying that Arsen is starting early, no, he is not. There is a sound delay, just watch and listen at 01:05 when Arsen is hitting the table, if you dont see/hear it just watch at 0.5 speed. The sound is late.
the slowmo of the first match showed a clear false start by liliev, and there are 2 more clear false starts from liliev, combined with massive elbow fouls, this was a clear clear win for brzenk...
Brzenk was injured when he went against Voevoda, and they only had one round. No one wins every time. Check out all of his matches. He mostly holds some of the strongest guys easily.
John has since admitted that vevoda was toying with him in a practice pull around that same time. John said he was helpless and could do nothing against alexey. I’m a huge John fan, but man said it himself
John was the best ever. He didn't sit around and wait for challengers, he too the fight to them....anyone anywhere. I would like to see Devon do the same.
It looks like arsen lets both his feet up in the air right after the Go-signal. That's cheating since liliev's opponent must carry all of liliev's wieght.
@@scottwarren4998 if he does that he would actually loose because you are weaker without using ground in your advantage. Thats why some pullers like Richard Lupkes propose to workout legs as well to become stronger in armrestling
@@peeekar watch what liliev does, his feet are like on the other side of the table, and in the air. Would you say that's cheating? Anyways liliev is a fkin beast who is the only to ever beat prime cyplenkov.
Engin is one of the greatest armwrestlers ever, but a piss poor ref. Omg. I can't begin to count the number of things Liliev was allowed to get away with here
Watch the starts in 0.25 speed lol Arson cheats almost EVERY time 😂 It’s always funny to see Americans get unfair treatment in foreign events like this 🤷🏼♂️ Handicapped and still won 2 matches though lol
This was ONE heck of a match off... (Brzenk never has to work that hard...) plus... Liliev is MUCH younger... and has that advantage... I wounder if he'll still be wrestling the top dogs when he's Brzenk age...??? HOPE so! All that said... This video was a lot of fun to watch... HATS OFF to both guys!
This is so completely backwards. If you watch the match back, but this time you imagine that the rules are that Arsen can go whenever he wants, and the ref has to say 'Go!' as soon as he notices Arsen starts, it would make sense. Think there was one round there where he actually started on time, and he ended up elbow fouling, giving John the win.
Brzenk at this match is almost in retirement. Imposible to compare the new young guy, he is strong... just that. Brzenk won many titles against real monster bigget than him.... many times.... So this was good challenge for the guy. Nthing to probe.
Michal Bilek Cyplenkovs match with pushkar (before he faced arsen) made him extremely tired and weak thats why he lost. Arsen lost in 1 second every round in the cyplenkov rematch..... arsen liliev is no joke hes very good but compared to cyplenkov HE REALLY IS A JOKE
John: humble, honorable and strong man, the best legendary armwrestler of all time, the giant killer! Arsen: pathetic little roided-up sneaky cheater who steals Coca-Cola from little children.
They should implement the old three second start again! They us to grip up, the ref would say ready go! both wrestlers would try for a hand and wrist advantage only, then on the second Go!! they were allowed to move their arms and body. This really kills the guys that jump start.
MIchael Jordan/Larry Bird,Arnold Schwarzenegger/Ronnie Coleman.Babe Ruth,Mike Tyson/Mohammed Ali,Hulk Hogan/Ric Flair,Wayne Gretzky,Joe Montanna/Tom Brady and John Brzenk those r the best of all time Imo
@Georgian909 I filmed this material and I have been very clear with the fact that I had a problem with my camera which made the audio and video unsynched. It was NOT false starts in all 6 rounds! You can see the proof of that in the clips on World of Armwrestling. / Charlie
It is difficult to say that John is clearly stronger. After watching this many times I think Arsen is fast and strong as a bull and you can not take his wrist. JOhn needed ht utmost of himself to beat Arsen, and yes he is getting older; anyway he is smart, he can fight in such varied ways, he is the icon of this sport.
