John Deere Is Facing a Farmer Revolt 

It's complete corruption. Microsoft and Apple both do it. They try to control repairs with special tools and software where there employees can only repair your devices that you bought. There should be a boycott on all these companies.

Imagine what happens to our ability to feed ourselves if there is ever a mass coronal ejection that knocks out the GPS systems. If it occurs at a time coincidental to planting or harvest, it could be catastrophic. And that's just looking at the logistics. On the socioeconomic side, John Deere (along with other tractor manufacturers) and their lobbyists are effectively turning farmers back into serfs who are beholden to their master's whims. Productivity is fine, but are those marginal gains worth what the farmers have been giving up in flexibility, reliability, and the freedom to call the shots on their own farm?

@@MrVvulf Smart man

Graaaaaaape.

aRe THeSE fARmErs cOmMunIsTS?!? wHy dO THeY hAte CApITaLiSm?!?!?

Sounds like he is on his way to a job in the Biden criminal clown administration.

Every major corporation’s middle to upper management are filled with scumbag liars like that guy. Honesty and integrity is not in them….. Been with a major manufacturer for 25 years and it’s sad to see what corporate greed has done to once great companies. I hope the tide is turning and lower level employees start standing up to them as well as consumers. There isn’t a CEO on the planet that’s worth the kind of money they are making while factory workers struggle in futility to even keep up with inflation…..

"safety concerns" i think the end game strategy for john deere is that they buy all the farms themselves and integrate all farming.

Not to mention one is carrying the general public 24/7

@@grizzlygrizzle Nah definitely a Trump guy, how much has he embezzled over his presidency? Why didn't trump put Deere in check? I thought he was going to drain the swamp?

they are acting like there aren't hundreds of other companies vying for there market shows how bad brand loyalty can be

@@highlandrab19 - That is also true. But JD provides what the customer needs, then they work out a strategy. A farmer, in other words, the customer will not continue to invest every year. What is often forgotten is that selling is a kind of psychology in which one has to bind the customer. And how they have done that has also been successful in recent years.

I like this saying, but it's not true. Excavation equipment and power units are a fair part of them as well

LOTS of Red, Yellow and Blue ones around here too. Farmers have options if pushed. Maybe not so much the Red ones.😁

@@highlandrab19 trouble is, all the large ag sector is doing the same thing. for some reason Deere takes the majority of the heat. Try working on a Fednt or Claas without dealer support.

even if it is on a paved road it's out in the country where everyone driving on that road is very well aware that it's farmland and to be cautious

His analogiy is totally wrong because dont airlines own the equipement and maintain their own planes. i dont think have to go back to boeing everytime they need something repaired

@@Hotspur37 yes the have to go back to boeing.because the onley one to repair the plaine are ingeniers from boeing.and you onley may use boeing certifid tools and replacement parts .if you lost a scruw to hond the toilet handel you have to order one at boeing because if you use an other one you will bring the plaine and passagers in danger .

Exactly what I thought, with one exception, a home repair on a 777 could get it hijacked by way of computer. So really it's more like 1000+ people. But same idea, these two analogies are not the same, or don't equate.

@@chikes4862 Airlines repair their own stuff all the time, you're simply wrong. Parts are not the same thing as repair.

I hope it comes back to haunt them until they go bankrupt

Not just Deere, and not just ag. They got the idea from the automotive industry

@@crinkly.love-stick Who use the government to enforce their lunacy. You are all corporate slaves.

Agree with all of this. The argument of 'this tech is so beyond you mortals' scares the normal person that doesn't have experience with the equipment. Most folks just want to be able to do a self re-set, after changing out a filter/ware part. They aren't asking to rig the thing up to a RC controller to drive the thing from home. It's only illegal if someone calls them out on it >.

@@crinkly.love-stick Russia is more than ready to sell you agricultural equipment which are on the same technological level to what exists in the west. All of them were designed to be DIY repairable and restorable IN THE FIELD with simple hand tools. Anything electronics and electricals has quadruple redundancies and can easily be accessed and repaired with simple household hand tools. And Russia can set up shop containing all of the components of all farm equipment and it will be again just like the the 1970s and 1960s and 1950s and 1940s and 1930s when if something needs fixing you can just use your hand tools that you have, check what is wrong, then go to the nearest mechanic hardware shop and buy the component replacement spare parts and go back to your place and fix it up within a very short time. If you want to, Russia will even set up a components' refurbishing shop to dismantle all components and figure out on how to restore their components back to pristine condition just like brand new. That is, if this tension between our two countries is allowed to thaw out first.

Odd's are they can do it faster and get back to work.... Rather then having there equipment sitting for days waiting to be fixed.

@@jonathanbair523 but think about the poor corporations, how are they going to survive?

Pepa pig

@@BrutusAlbion Corporate welfare, of course!

but cant someone just make a software like rooting and android device ? and cant someone make the physical parts ?

Sure, what they can repair but these machines are state of the art. Farmers should have these under warranty & JD should send out techs to solve any needed repairs.

@@hiitsrudd8567 yea,but these farmers should be able to buy the software and be able to repair the machines they own. The manufacturers charge too much to fix a simple problem that can be diagnosed with a computer and the right part. Just like cars,the dealers make most of their profits in the service department,but in cars you can buy a code reader for a reasonable price and fix it yourself.

More like $500,000.

*( $100,000 Would-Be a · "SMALL" · Piece of Equipment ! ) 🚜 €¥£ ^

More like a million, MILLIONS.

You're not going to buy the kind of equipment they use there for that little.

China will humble them, they will move their manufacturing to China

Well you know, a tractor is the same thing as an airplane, so you can't mess with the safety, right? LOL.

yeah, they talk about airplane safety, but they're forgetting that the 737-Max's MCAS and the hundreds of deaths it caused was a fault of Boeing's total Lack of Transparency, and likewise John Deere should be more transparent

I just saw a tractor fly over my house and I know I was greatly reassured to know it was a Deere.

ya, but didn't you feel safer when all those lithium batteries were catching fire, knowing that they were genuine, OEM flames? LOL

"rooting" for the farmers... I see what you did there !

But that would entail farmers being accountable to the contract they sign, meaning it’s off limits.

Kubota are gaining sales in UK at the expense of JD ,tractors are less complex and more reliable for the smaller farmers

@@Baddog-ib5mf yes kubota diesels are pretty great

In other words, man-hours went down.

the machines got bigger and more fuel efficient, almost like companies like john deer need to make money to produce better machines.

@@thebogangamer1 Making money through normal business is not problem but when you get in bed with the government so that they can give you concessions over the competition and create your entire business model into a racketeering model it becomes a problem for the ones providing the money to John Deere

Yea, FJD! Greedy phucs

So why didn't you just fix it yourself in the first place? It's this way weather it's John Deere, Caterpillar, Case etc.Those tech's are getting $40 an hour or more, it isn't gonna be cheap no matter what brand you run!!!

@@nicholasbrown7068 - Could be it might void the warranty, I don’t know.

@@nicholasbrown7068 Because then you void the warranty... Duh.

@@nicholasbrown7068 It was my first piece of heavy equipment, and first diesel. I now own multiple machines and fix them myself. I would have gladly paid $40 an hour, it was the $1000 charge for driving 15 miles in a service truck that I balked at. FJD!

That serious goofball is what got me interested in all this controversy. Well, him and me enjoying the ability to repair my own items. Haha

Yea he’s done a great job fighting apple and bringing this to the attention of consumers. Great comment!

Nice pun

Big props to him honestly

no. you will own nothing and be happy. great reset.

considering the use to influence the Derivatives/ Commodities Markets, YUP.

lol "un-american" , the entire history of your horrible country is trashing workers rights.

@@misanthropyunhinged very true. Look at the opposition to Linux by Microsoft and Bill Gates' stooges and all the law suites brought to scuttle innovation in computer tech. The world would still be using windows vista if it were to "Americans".

@@misanthropyunhinged That's only half of it. Having to deal with all the garbage people from places like whatever 3rd world dump you live in doesn't help either. Stay in your own country. There's no shame in making shoes for your family out of old tires.

Here in the UK right to repair is coming in. Unfortunately it will not stop car manufacturers sourcing inappropriate spares. It is often the case that something like a touch screen goes wrong but all the manufacturer will offer is a replacement for the whole head unit at around 50% of the market value of the car or a very expensive repair by the head unit supplier. Then there are very simple things like windscreen washer pumps. This should be a £10 item but on my Nissan Leaf it was £50 sup;lied only by the manufacturer. Then the labour cost for fitting it was £100. Ridiculous. It appears that the car was not designed to be serviced by its owner.

In my country, I could call a guy to modify my tractor, e.g. modify the sofware so that I won't need A-Blue anymore. But then it wouldn't be street-legal anymore. So I don't do it. But having that law would solve the problem, the CTO stated in the end of this video; if he was honest.

Same thing for me. I didn't even look at used JD. Totally avoid these non repairabe machines owned by corporations. I need and want my OWN tractor

Out of curiosity, wat brand is that which gave you the equipment and diagnostics software plus source codes along with the tractor you bought? People are targetting deere, but virtually no other group does that either.

@@fermewilmotsagriculturebio3434 The computer side is only one aspect, JD is not the ONLY company doing it they just seam to be the leaders in going in that direction in their industry. Just like Apple seams to be leading it in phones/computers, but the other companies soon follow. Small business’s are important to the economy for filling in niches (among other things of course) and need to be protected.

Honestly, I think it would be best if a group of farmers banded together and made their own company which to make tractors which are easily modifyable and easily repairable. Think of it this way: A new tractor is around $100, possibly double if you include accessories. A few dozen farmers (or less) could likely get enough funding to make their own agricultural-vehicle company, to make their own tractors from scratch, so that in 5-10 years they won't need to worry about the non-repairability and the insider-trading (since all those tractors get data which is then sent to the company whose branding they hold, and so they know how much product is being made at any moment in time, everywhere where their company's agricultural vehicles are used). Not only that, but the major companies in this field likely have part of their shares held by the same company, which gives said company access to that data, which allows that company or it's subsidiaries or partners (likely owned by the same people) to make use of the insider data they have access to. This alone could be used by the farmers to make those major companies lose a lot of revenue, and either be forced to change their ways, or get bought by others, possibly bought by the very same farmers who are opposing them, to make those products repairable again.

Like insider trading!

@@kylehaake7859 the farmers pay for the gps software, John Deere then collects the information, John Deere then sells the info. Imagine going to work and making something using your bosses money, and your boss paying you to make it, then getting paid every time that product sells.

Farmers’ live on the razors edge of profitability and take on debt to maintain competition in a field dominated by agribusiness’ manufacturers and GMO seed companies. Farmers think they can give up data without giving up their rights to the land, which consolidated agribusiness and banks will easily confiscate farmers land by foreclosures. Due to mechanization at the current stage the few remaining farmers hardly represent a meaningful blip on the political landscape.

This is so easy to use to manipulate the price farmers are paid for their products. Don't think for one second that this is not being done on some level by the individuals with this knowledge. Corporate or private. Greed ensures this.

AGREED! One would think a farmer's yield information is 'proprietary' to that farmer instead of being considered as part of the machine's data for performance purposes. It would be interesting to know if JD Capital Corp. does open market trading.

Yes

Eh, I have a hard time blaming health care prices on the equipment itself. other countries use the same gear and do not see the same problems. and tbh, medical equipment is really one of those cases where you really do not want 3rd parties making modifications or repairs, they go through a pretty rigorous certification process and tinkering with them invaliates that.

@@neeneko i have a buddy who works for a surgical tool company, he makes around 75k a year, gets flown all around the US, multiple times a week (all expenses paid) and he literally scrubs in and stands on hand in case the tools experience any problems... he's like an "on demand maintenence technician/manual".... he said he *rarely* has to intervene. You dont think thats a bit of a racket? 🤪

Don't forget fast food and their machines.

There is equipment the military can't even fix because of the eroding right to repair. This needs to stop now.

That is true and I think this is one of the basics of the lawsuit. Should we be okay with most anything built with technology (intellectual property), come with a service contract.

Its just anarcho-capitalism .....

@@theMPrints Military-industrial complex, as Ike warned, totally unrestrained. Well done, USA.

The way I see it the farmers have the right to repair just not the tools to do it. Who can stop you from breaking in their software if you're smart enough to do that?

John Deer : The $ you give us for our products is OURS, and OURS forever, but those products you paid us that money for ...well we've decided you're kind of renting them

If your family already owns a farm you can scrape out a living. If you want to buy one it's likely you won't ever make enough money to even just outpace interest let alone survive. Don't let farms die. They won't return.

Or go hungry.

Nico, I agree with you! People see all the crops in the field and have no clue about the stress, and work it takes to get it out of the field.

@@user-hv6wb5gk8p yep one of the reasons im not a farmer as my grandpa's discouraged me from thinking about it. the only way i would now days is to pay off yearly tax's aka a tax break ect. and not a full time job

@@richardprice5978 I have thought about buying a farm and farming for the last couple of years. I was born to the land and miss it. I will continue to work full time in tech while communing with the land.

automotive industry is already trying to do it. i have an 09 toyota tundra which i have maintained / fixed everything by myself on. there's only one thing i can't do in my home garage, change the transmission fluid, which should be a similar process to engine oil. but nope no way to do it normally, you need a special machine. Guess what part on my truck is now showing issues? (edit: i did take it in for a tranny fluid swap about 4 years ago)

Yup! We pay enough for software to fix your new vehicles each year and it's getting harder to fix newer vehicles each year. I think vehicle dealers would like to MAKE you take your vehicle to them for service. The key switch broke on my Honda Accord and it would've cost under $100 to fix it a few year's ago, now I have to pay $1400 for a couple keys and the dealer to program my old 15 year old car...if my husband hadn't just put a new transmission in it, the car would've been sent to the junk yard. If you care about the environment, don't keep wanting more and more complex vehicles as they end up in the junk yard sooner than they used to.

The electronics & computing industry is another one that will benefit heavily from Right to Repair legislation. Cell phone manufacturers for instance have deliberately made it absurdly difficult for independent local repair shops to get the replacement parts they need to fix your phone. If you get an iPhone repaired by Apple, they'll charge hundreds of dollars for a simple screen replacement. While meanwhile when I had an iPhone 7, I got the screen replaced by a locally owned repair business for only $80 and it worked perfectly. Right to Repair is important for all industries in my opinion. Manufacturers want to have a monopoly on repairing their products so that they can charge whatever they want. The fact that Right to Repair is controversial whatsoever is insane to me. Right to Repair has been an expectation in the automotive industry for years now. It doesn't mean that you HAVE to repair your stuff yourself, it just means that you have the RIGHT to do so if you want to.

Every repair procedure for every piece of equipment or vehicle should be on youtube. Every part should be available for purchase on Amazon.

If we don't speak on their behalf...... I've been out of North America for 10 years but I don't understand why I'm seeing Western people, for whom speaking out is a point of identity, something we rub into the faces of our Asian comrades - afraid to speak out. Why are Western people reluctant to speak out lately?

This unfortunately only scratches the surface about how deep John Deer is willing to go. There are now subscription fees on some of the software being used in these vehicles, to the point where you can't start a piece of equipment that you have bought an paid for.

And it All goes into the CEO's friggen deep pockets while YOU have to sell your product at wholesale prices set by his bankers! Can you see where this is going??

@@nadmaster101 That's fine then stop buying their software if you are only renting it. Buy only from companies that sell their software not rent it out. However you can only rent out software if it gets taken away from you at the end of the rental agreement. Otherwise it's not called renting, it's called selling.

@@GeorgeWashingtonLaserMusket Farming is a time based commodity. You only have a narrow window for planting and then harvesting a crop. Usually only days at best. A big farmer can lose millions from Friday to Monday due to the lazy stealership.

It's not complicated at all when you look at the way the laws were intended. It doesn't matter how much they charge the farmers for It's illegal for them to prohibit farmers from modifying or repairing something they already own by preventing other companies from fixing the equipment. For the CEO of JD to compare safety of aircraft that have hundreds of lives on board to a tractor is so laughable and absurd. By the way the aircraft owned by the airlines are all repaired by the airlines themselves that employ their own mechanics.

Welcome back to capitalism

@@Cheesecake99YearsAgo exactly - why do people think capitalists would behave otherwise? this guy is just following the rules.

@@Cheesecake99YearsAgo capitalism is like democracy it’s what you make of it. Either of them can be the best or worst systems. History has shown us what foolishness democracy can bring. And the present shows us the foolishness of capitalism now. Either way the stats shows it’s still better than other systems.

You reckon the average farmer or tractor driver can fix complicated electrical and gps issues ? I’m not defending it. But then there is reality

@@Cheesecake99YearsAgo what is your suggestion then? More government control? Don’t buy John deer hit them in the pockets

Total BS of course.

They go 45 now 🚀

I thought I was the only person that caught that 🤣

It's because they force limp mode if any of the sensors goes off

Yea. haha.

But that's where you're wrong. You see, CEO thinks that it's better if he gets 24 million dollars raise in salary alone for him self and if workers are not satisfied with what ever they get as a payment, they can f- off and get another job. That's what US is dealing with. Egos and greed is running the show and this should be illegal.

Any stockholder owned company is like this. They go for maximum profits and if they ruin the company in the process they just cash out.

Exactly. Who could take that claim seriously? He couldn’t even look at the camera straight.

That's what I came here to say. Ridiculous comparison that shows what a joke their position is.

That’s every company, if they don’t make as much money as they can, they lose control over their monopoly.

but he is right...where i live, i see hacked Deere tractors falling from the sky every day!!!

@@dimosk7389 I stand corrected. It now seems obvious that only highly trained John Deere technicians can keep their tractors aloft.

most companies where great back in the day! SHAREHOLDERS fixed that! Gatta have that huge profit every year so people can let there money do the work! very sad system that goes against the customer!

This is why John Deere equipment from the the early 2000's and earlier are bringing such high prices at action. They are well built and you can fix them yourself.

Guess it will cost them Deerely.

@@boxoffisa guess you just felt the need too be a comedian? don't quit your day job because you don't know your audience AT ALL!

we have 2 john deere lawn tractors..one is a 200 form the 1970s and other is a 160 from the 1980s..BOTH are easy to fix with simple tools..the sad part? ANY part from a john deere service shop for BOTH costs hundreds if its even available anymore..even for a small part like a carburetor jet..so alot of the parts on both we bought used on ebay..

I agree. Interestingly enough the FAA allows owners/operators to do a substantial amount of maintenance themselves prior to needing an FAA certified mechanic. Probably to an extent that would give that Jahmy Hindman an aneurysm if he knew about it. Even tasks that require government certified mechanics (A&P/IA) are not hard to accomplish as such specialists can be found at most airports and aren't employees of the aircraft manufacturers. Smh.

I noticed that. That was a vile excuse.

Woooosh point missed completely

yep. Soon as I heard airplanes the BS alarm went off.

did you know: *the natural bioelectricity produced by a leaf on an oak tree is directly comparable to [insert most powerful capacitor discharge known here]*

@@joel8340. i agree with your sentiment, but lots of older tractors are in use. The way i see the issue is that there will be no 50 yr tractors coming out of modern john deere. They aren't cost effective to keep running with only dealer repairs, especially not for second owners.

@@joel8340. sorry but there is a lot of tractors out there 50 yrs old and still working just fine,,,, will a 2022 tractor be working in 30 yrs ? , I doubt it !! Sounds like a big problem on the horizon 🤔

@@joel8340. actually due to this very issue, old tractors are going up in value, because while the new technology might be nice when it works, between emissions and inability to repair the newer stuff, a lot of guys are snapping up the older stuff and basically restarting production on parts.

"Tractor on a highway"??? 🤣🤣🤣

@@ke6gwf my grandpa has shed with like 20 small tractors from 50s to 70s all pretty basic smaller ones size of car… not sure why he keeps buying more they don’t seem worth more than 5k

The last time this came up, John Deere Promised Farmers It Would Make Tractors Easy for farmers to Repair, get tools and parts. It Lied.

I know some ppl have hacked them to do repairs themselves , i know ppl who said just to take it to the shop would cost him 1200$

McDonalds soft-serve machines: Another corporation that wants to control repairs. Money, money...money.

As more of the machines get old they will break down more often. How many mechanics will each John Deere dealer have as the number of repairs for these machines increase??? Will a John Deere Mechanic work on Sunday?? As you said time is extremely valuable to farmers. Most farmers have their own reliable mechanics they can call on during emergencies.

@@wkb8326 JD is a finance company now. The only reason they build machinery is so they have something to finance. They are not interested in repairs at all. Ultimately they want a steady, neverending stream of payments in exchange for providing equipment. They are more interested in replacing than repairing.

In their eyes even though you bought their item you do not own said item.. that’s their loophole

buy CAT or Case you can work on it your self or just buy something old and fix it up.

@@youngguns1319 CAT has been making special changes to various bolt heads, and such to make it impossible to repair unless you have their specialized wrenches too.

How about you don't buy their products?

The billionaires always win.

Thank you. I always saw JD as coexisting with the farmers. Now I see different. They are not only selling out the farmers, but the rest of us too. Their next move may be to start buying farm land, and hire the farmer to work the land. Soon after we will start seeing Theodore Kaczynski tee shirts for sale lol

I am not a farmer, but live and work in large-scale farm country. The only competitor to JD here is Case. Are they doing the same thing concerning repairs?

@@fouresterofthetrees287 Yes. Unequivocally. The only reason you don't hear about it is being a bit smaller in size and not quite as draconian in their gouging... for now...

You should consider contacting Louiss Rossman & do an interview sometime. He's willing to talk to anyone about this issue.

Enough drops make a sea

I was also speculating as to whether it is feasible for someone within the JD system to deliberately send an "error code" at a critical point to bring about exactly this scenario. This to manipulate the futures market and make a killing. This could be about way more than just "repair earnings."

Add into that, if no traveling techs then the farmers have to get the tractors to the dealers. If you have a large tractor that can also cost thousands.

i think the end game strategy for john deere is that they buy all the farms themselves and integrate all farming.

@@Redmanticore You can buy the farm the land the equipment but farmers are independent individual who do their own stuff! It's not as simple as it sounds to farm.

Then don’t sign or accept contracts that preclude self repair. Or are you that much against accountability in contract law?

@@bobroberts2581 Contracts are made to be broken.

Apple is going to do the same thing with all apple phones. No 3rd party repairs

@@bobroberts2581 No dum3 dum3, we're against bad laws.

@@bobroberts2581 I'm not even going to bother arguing this; what you're saying is such moot point and you know it is.

all high paying CEO's are that way.. look at GE and boeing.. CEO's are going to destroy this country.

@@jmac1099 or look at Boeing...

or the workers.

Sounds every big corporation! Welcome to the 2020’s

30 million a year for 1 employee is crazy , the union should ask for far more money .

"Interesting observation, Gunny" (movie quote: Heartbreak Ridge)

but in the video its said that other companies such as Case is doing the same. so its not about JD, its the system itself

@@karl6458 I would think that goes without saying…but I’m not talking about John deere. I’m talking about John deere farmers. They don’t say “well everyone does it so I can understand that my beloved John Deere does it too to be competitive”. No. They think their beloved join deere would never do it.

have to wonder if it ever occured to the CEO of John Deere that JD couldn't exist without farmers. Not so much now but a few years ago, equipment could be ordered from places like Japan and China. Kubota makes great equipment.

@@MrDogfish83 Judging by the reactions noted in this video, that appears to be changing.

Pretty sure the C-Suite called it an "alternate revenue stream".

Wouldn’t that essentially make it a form of a insider trading?

I'm sure they've buried that in the license agreement. So you've already accepted it.

@@DomGaccioli if you employ people to go spy on farms (without trespassing) and then collect that information and then use it, is it insider trading then? No. There as always people who have information about the market than others. Look at the people launching satellites to monitor the level of oil in storage tanks.

​@@DomGaccioli He who can't afford a legal & analytics team can't navigate around 'insider trading'. *Most trading laws are just traps that keep the small fry small.*

Love the hypocrisy of the spokesman saying they were super proud of the final deal struck with the union.

The current executives will have cashed in their stock by then and moved on to gut the integrity of the next brand.

They don't have a monopoly. CASE, Kubota, Massey Ferguson and others make tractors too.

@@willgallaher501 Exactly. It's funny how the greed of a handful of people can ruin things for everyone else.

@@JK-br1mu I think the point here isn't a monopoly on sales. No one mentioned the issue was a sales monopoly. It seems they do have a monopoly in regards to servicing/repair unless the other brands you mentions have access to Deere software and licence to repair Deer equipment.

@@DW-10 I think the point is morons who don't understand basic economic definitions, but try to use them anyway.

Companies will slowly buy the constitution and then before we know it we live in some new type of totalitarian state that will go down in the history books as series of obvious bad moves like every other state that is gone down this route.

Kubota and Ford tend to use universal parts, yes?

@@carlh-thehermitwithwi-fi679 Ahhh the people that have no idea about farming. Real farming... the big boy stuff. Kubota, the best they have is a 200ish hp tractor. That is it. They don't have tillage, planting, harvesting. Their best tractor couldn't even pull my planter, not even kidding. Ford? There is no Ford. New Holland, Case IH, Massey Ferguson (AGCO). Those are the main players in NA. They all operate the same way. And dispute what some of this propaganda says. Machines are being repaired by farmers and independent shops.

@@ShainAndrews went to the JD museum in Moline,Ill. They are the only manufacturer still in business under the same name. I grew up around farming and can’t even remember all the brands around back in the 60s.

New Holland and John Deere And another are all the same tractor at times with different paint.

@@captiannemo1587 DING! I am gald you saw that!

Absolutely hate electronics

Modern cars have similar problems. There are more and more components that must be programmed after replacement

So you have a toy for 34 years .! Cool

Aside from planned obsolescence, I think that new and improved technologies will almost inevitably come with reduced durability due to wanting to use less material and lighter (and weaker) parts and increased hassle when trying to diagnose and fix due to increased complexity.

@@TROll-oe9ng The biggest reason new stuff isn't reliable is the EPA forcing engines to meet insane emissions requirements.

@@Elemblue2 You are all correct in what you say in the above replies. We did an analysis of breakdowns and 55% were due to faulty sensors shutting engines down. The old cats had minimal electronics, so for us it was back to the older designs, luckily we didn't have to worry about emissions then.

Variations in circumventing technology exist worldwide today, just as always for necessity. ie: A late model chassis of car totally disabled by $$$$ tech failure, having engine and drive train removed for junk salvage, as the still functional chassis itself promptly harnessed to a horse or mule, for a comfy ride for 3rd world masses (with creativity) ;} Same as plentiful/cheap small diesel engines/transmissions/drive trains in 3rd world remote enclaves (formerly Communist), are installed (by creative entrepreneurs) in place of failed high tech power devices.. creating Tesla chassis (sans battery modules) diesels?

@@blogengeezer4507 Man always finds a way

It is a company. To make money for investors.

Welcome to America! That's the American way didn't you know that!

Just like Apple phones, I am in on the right to repair bill!

Looooooooooooooose sales? It's just "lose", genius, because loose and lose are different words with different meanings.

@@slappy8941 It’s you that’s the real genius. Even with your head where the sun doesn’t shine you could still understand what I really meant.

Given how much energy is in that battery on a Tesla, messing with that battery is a **BAD** idea….

@@GORT70 said no one ever about a combustion engine that you can go to the local autozone and buy a repair manual.

Does google RU-vid and Facebook compensate us for all the data they collect from us ?

@@MR.TOYBOX They should, I would love to know where "I" have been sold.

Anything that involves _your_ data should be opt-in, never opt-out.

You can opt out of Facebook to some extent. Google has some of that functionality as well. depends on the country you live in. Also worth considering if using software on a computer is the same as software that controls equipment/vehicles.

@@MR.TOYBOX not yet, but they should

Executive salary should be directly tied to the lowest paid employee/contractor.

Bad incentive structures are ruining the world.

This is not an example of that at all. Lol.

@@Hebdomad7 That makes no sense. Then everyone would apply for the job that has the same pay but less work, if everyone made the same. Yes there is a major issue with how executives are paid, but any solution would have to at least be logical.

@@yingnyang you mean like, right to repair or The fact that farming is under attack by the federal government in many many different ways?

More Govt is always the answer .

We never use John Deere on my farm. All old fords. John Deere knows they have a monopoly and they shove it on everyone

A company Cannot tell a farmer in the midst of planting or harvesting they will have to wait till regular work days and hours for the dealer to fix the farmers problem or even deliver or make available parts needed. The farmer needs it NOW (or yesterday). !

I repair deere equipment everyday, his comparison is pretty correct. Alot of our technology is borrowed from aeronautical industry. Our machine are now capable of full autonomy and can drive themselves with no operator present. Our electrical system are extremely complicated. Anytime we hire light vehicle or retired military mechanics, they can't hack it and quit and say it's too hard of a job.

I'm also a John Deere tech. These new tractors are way more complicated than most people realize. I'm all for everybody being able to work on them but a lot of farmers have to have their hands held every step of the way when they do some of the more complicated repairs on newer JD equipment

@@sleepyta yep that's the truth. If they do buy the customer version of service advisor, you'd have to spend days on the phone or in person teaching them how to use it. Only reason I want the farmers to win is for me to have the chance to work for myself

@@user-jl5rx9yx2p I didn't even consider right to repair would enable you to be self employed, that really is a win win!

@@user-jl5rx9yx2p Sure they're as complicated as planes, but @Brattoes is right on one thing : the outcome if a tractor breaks are not as significant as if a plane crashes. A broken tractor will not turn wild and run over hundreds of people. It will just refuse to start. Justifying the need for a highly qualified mechanic over a security concern is a joke.

We can't let your average consumer going in and repairing their iPhone. The safety concerns are kind of like in Aviation you know, you wouldn't want someone going in and repairing it!

@@SuperQBoi LoL. My laptop PC (5 years old) died because the battery no longer held charge. It was a complete pain in the neck prying the thing apart and pulling out the old battery and putting in a new one. These things are not designed to be fixed. And that is the crime. They want consumers to buy new every 2 or 3 years.

Not just tech companies. A lot of Auto (car) manufactures have jumped on this on Apple/JD's side.

@@lyianx The auto industries are already regulated by right to repair laws. That's why we have NAPA auto parts, advanced auto parts, O'Reilly auto parts, etc. It is against the law for them to try to deny their consumers to repair their vehicles

@@never2yield20 Which laptop was it because the ones I have owned all had a removable battery ?

You can't believe most of what Bloomberg reports on because they are in league with the Despotic Democrat Party and they'll slander and put down Americans every chance they get.

Unfortunately it's not just John Deere doing this. Case International, M F , Cat Challenger & pretty much all of these companies are doing it.

@Doug Falstad 👍👍💯 Deere= 💩

@@76verdee You're absolutely right they're all doing it Really surprised you haven't had more people agree with you likes

@@76verdee maybe they belong to the same group of people. So competition is fake.

I would argue that sensible legal environments wouldn't encourage such, while the current climate favors PseudoMonopolys and infinite exploitation of locked in users .

Lolz! Lifetime warranties from such a pit of greed and selfishness? I think you're asleep. You must be dreaming of a major agro corporation capable of doing right without force. Seriously, I 💯% agree with you!

I use John Deere tractors and have for years, and the idea that anyone should be allowed to work on them and the company should still warranty their equipment no matter how badly a backyard mechanic messes it up doesn't make much sense.

@@freddexta3363 Um, no one said that except you. The OP presented an either/or, and not both.

@@MomMom4Cubs Just replying to the comment and yes you are right, I should have replied to the video piece. My point is just that nobody warrants any piece of equipment that hasn't been fixed by their own technicians for obvious reasons, and some of the people interviewed want to have it both ways. Or at least they leave a very strong impression that they hold that opinion.

@@freddexta3363 I agree wholeheartedly that no company wants to guarantee a product fiddled with by nonprofessionals. I did not, however, get the impression that anyone on the video wanted it both ways. It seemed clear to me that the preferred outcome is right-to-repair. However, since they reject right-to-repair, they should ante up and get warranty their products. I feel this is a poor solution because the days or weeks of lost production can be the death knell of a noncorporate farm.

The ice cream machines. John Deere, electronics repair... It's all connected in the battle for Right to Repair.

@@ZarHakkar Lol it's actually late-stage capitalism but yes you're not wrong

I bet they are selling for a big profit and banking on it to break down to further their profit margins.

Exactly where my thoughts went to as well. Though I think the story behind the machines isn't apparently super common knowledge. It's another tale of right to repair vs big Corp, but mcdonalds has to feed its sister company...

Gaming companies do the same thing. Release a broken product, force consumer to repair it using micro transactions, profit.

If your tractors aren't flying, you ain't farming right!

haha.. yeah i said the same thing when i heard that statement.

@@firefalcon100 Soviet Tractor.... In Soviet Russia Tractor doesn't plow field it plows you.

@@vHindenburg Da

@@vHindenburg Russia is using John Deer tractors too :)

The problem is, for a farmer during harvest or sowing any delay is unacceptable. So the farmer will want a clause that has a tech on site within the hour, regardless of day or time. JD however would prefer to not have to pay for that kind of service network, especially given how vast some distances can be in the US, so they're more likely to view a couple of days at the bare minimum as an acceptable delay. They're never going to sign a contract that demands penalties from them within a couple of hours, when it's physically all but impossible to get someone on site within that timeframe. As for the airplane industry, most airlines regardless of whether it's cargo or passengers, will just fly a different plane in to replace the broken down one while it waits for parts to arrive. In which case it might not really be an issue if a plane needs to remain in hangar for a couple of days. Farmers usually don't have a spare tractor or harvester standing around just in case their primary one breaks down. And I bet that JD doesn't want to provide those temporary replacement units at short notice either.

That penalty in a farming scenario would be replacing lost revenue for the farm that results from the delay in repair. That would bring a lot of support for John Deere, and be well worth the short term losses to maintain the monopoly.

@@fermitupoupon1754 Around here we have hog farms that depend on electricity to run the fans. If the fans go down the pigs start to die in about an hour. I've heard stories where during a blizzard hydro goes down. Crews will take parts where they can get them to restore power. Farmer went to the end of the road to ask the crew what was the problem and when he would get power back. Told the transformer had blown up. They where taking transformer off the pole in town and installing it. The people would have to live without. I believe the deal is that hydro pays for any dead animals, no questions asked.

@@fermitupoupon1754 The airlines have extra planes because canceled flights cost a whole lot more than delayed ones: Enough to justify owning an extra plane. Given the tendency of farming away from the folks in this video and more toward large conglomerate corporate beasts, I bet you'd find that said large entities DO have spare tractors because of a similar issue - they can afford to cover one for partial use if down-time is guaranteed. (And it is guaranteed for any given machine with moving parts and software.) Just one more reason that family farms are dying out - if you only prioritize profit margin, eventually, that's all you have ...

@@stephentroyer3831 As an alternative. Take out an insurance policy with the dealer ( backed by JD ) that in the event of a breakdown the dealer will have it back in action in a certain time frame or a "loaner" on site. How many dealers when you take your car in for service give you a loaner for the day. It's an incentive for JD to build reliable equipment