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@@Leonn3rd It was Mariko's idea. She came up with it to protect John and keep him safe even after her death. Toranaga accepted the idea, Mariko brokered the deal with Father Alvito, and Toranaga executed the ship's burning.
It’s not just about war. Your comment just confirmed the feeling I experienced watching this series. He was a stranger in a strange land and she was… she was everything to him. Through her he was able to see and understand that distant and strange land and as you said, in an emotional and linguistic way. I came to the US and I didn’t speak English at all. Later I met my boyfriend and he only speaks English and by then I already knew a little about the language, but he was very patient with me in trying to understand me, being an invaluable guide for me, explaining customs, words and everything that I didn’t know just like Mariko helped John. The series is not just about a desperate ambition for power, beyond that, there was this message about the power of language. I really liked that scene where Mariko uses to her advantage what John tells her about disagreeing with how her husband treats her. She translates it to her husband. In other circumstances she might never have been allowed to say it, but she is the translator and she uses that with great dignity to express her feelings. So in LOVE with this show ❤😭
"Linguistically". It was a fatal error that this serie didn't become a worldwide phenomenon speacially in Europe because at the very beginning of it, they make sure to say that Portuguese was the language spoken in Japan and they all speak English instead 😂😂😂😂😂. Jesus. Even Woman King made sure to have people speaking Portuguese to be faithful towards history and they make this huge mistake.
@@geraldomelo8371Linguistically, it was a fatal error that you wrote "serie." Linguistically, when talking about a TV show, the correct term is "series." Example sentence: "My favorite TV series right now is 'Shōgun'." 🥷🏻
Its funny. Both actors for the Tsuji and Anjin wear coloured eye contacts. The priests eyes are naturally blue and Blackthornes eyes are a natural brown haha.
This is how you end a show. Not crazy battles. No flying dragon torching city yet still can't do a good ending. Simple superb writing and acting. GOT...you s*ck Thank you for Shogun
@@fungunsun1 This series gave us some pretty refreshing authenticity, so if they had the budget and time, I'm confident they would have crafted a magnificent Sekigahara.
GoT has unlimited budget. Iron thrones Dragon Big army battles The night King Shogun has a very low budget . No Iron Throne Dragon ( but only Falcon) Night King Big army battles But it executed so perfectly.
I dont even know how he's doing it, the character and the actor, character wise thats a tough thing to go through and still hold composure and actor wise, being able to portray that emotion to that depth is superb
What this show did utterly brilliantly was how vital information was conveyed through expressions and gestures. This scene could've ended with Blackthorne talking to himself, or an end-monologue with Mariko in soft light and sappy music. But no, we just see this rather long scene of him emoting all the different thoughts that must be going through the character's head at that moment. Excellent!
@@olorin1710 Nah, Catholic, Protestant, Orthodox etc are all Christian. And all Christians are Abrahamic, forming the three primary types of Abrahamic religions when taken alongside Islam and Judaism.
I disagree. He was content to let Blackthorn die if Mariko had not made a deal with the Catholics to prevent that. He was more loyal to his country's interests than his Church's. Everyone in this show has ulterior motives no one is pure.
@@othelliusmaximusmaybe the characters portrayed by Nestor Carbonell and Joaquim Almeida were the only Europeans with some standards, plus the protagonist.
@@camerongrant8344 It was also his orders from the Portuguese higher ups, who had made a deal with Toranaga-sama. Slaying Blackthorne would've been going back on their deal with him by that point, so it would've been incredibly foolish.
And to know that she died without ever getting to live for herself- she lived for her father's legacy, for her husband, then for Toranaga.... but she never got to truly be Mariko except the few precious moments she stole away with Blackthorne. Tragic then, that she died so young- and as she said, men fight their battles and struggle for primacy by warring with each other, but "a woman is simply at war".
The Title should be change to word Catholics instead of Christian, nothing against the Catholics, war of John is not not really about religion, it is about Power , who will rule the whole Seas.
You're right, but up until Blackthorne shows up the Japanese Christians didn't know they were Catholic as opposed to Christian in general. The Jesuits would deny there was such a thing as a protestant church, only heretics. To the Japanese the fact that there were other countries in Europe beside Spain and Portugaul would be a surprise.
Their only real fear was Blackthorne revealing the naval course to open competing trade with Japan. With the Erasmus sank, the Portuguese had no fear of Blackthorne and knew that he is merely an interesting anomaly for Toranaga. What they didn't appreciate is that Toranaga used Anjin to bring the Portuguese to the table and broker a neutrality when it comes to Ishido and the Council of Regents.
Power. That's what every organized religion is actually about. Other faiths represent competition, and are a threat to total dominion. Note that the Protestants, despite having legitimate grievances at the Reformation and dare I say a moral high ground? Despite that, they would become just as vile and controlling when they established their own empires. Carrying out the same atrocities, oppressing others just as they were oppressed.
Yes. As the Catholics and the Portuguese will always see John's ship as a threat to their power, influence and trade. So in order to save his life, put the Catholics' minds at ease, and ensure John never leaves Japan, the ship had to be destroyed.
in the eyes of British people. Yes. The catholic were not Christians. and through out this show anjiun keeps saying this . The fact that the person who posted this video called themselves Christians. Shows you that he is with the Spanish.
Catholicism is a type of Christianity by modern reckoning. At the time, Catholics would've considered Catholicism the only Christianity and all other sects heretical, and likewise Protestants (Blackthorne would presumably be an Anglican Protestant, aka the Church of England) would consider Catholics to be heretical non-Christians, but through the modern lens we would consider them all Christian.
@@danix4883 yes in both versions of this tale, I like Fr Alvito. The bishop comes off worse in this version and Fr Sebastio is a whinier version of the older one.
No, too many series drag things out season after season for no reason. One season, 10 episodes is perfect. Just like Chernobyl. But if you want more, I suggest reading the excellent book Shogun is adapted from.
Don't wish for more. FX was still able to make season 1 more or less when it was still under the umbrella of Fox Group. Since then, Disney acquired Fox, which included Shogun. If there's a season 2, pray for the best but expect the worst. Disney is right now psychotically enforcing DEI everywhere. Be aware of who's producing and the dirty pressures they are exerting on Japanese creatives right now. See what's happened to Hollyweird. The DEI parasites have already started their attempts to contaminate Japan.
Her marriage to Buntaro was arranged to keep her within Toranaga's House. It wasn't a union of love or affection. There was never truly a meeting of the hearts between the two. This does not somehow negate the infidelity, but rather presents a context for the how and why of it.
The book didn't even show the war. Just a page of explanation about it. Besides, the point of the story wasn't about wars. Ot's about politics & traditions in sengoku era.
@@warrennicholsony.fernando4513 It's your opinion, but you're enormously in the minority on this one. The 1980 series isn't even in the same league as this, I'm afraid.
@@TastyCement I don't think so. This version too cold and the characters tend to be too distant with each other. There was no chemistry with Blackthorn and Mariko. Toranaga's reason for keeping Blackthorn in Japan was way deeper. This version is already veering away from the book and they are making into something it is not.
@@warrennicholsony.fernando4513only if you equate in your face affection with chemistry. Otherwise, they was plenty of chemistry. And its subtlety and imposed understatement made it all the more poignant.
I had heard that she was going to die, but I’m still so sad knowing she did. Silly as it is, because the show isn’t a fairy tale, I was just hoping they’d get their happy ending.
@@milosmilosmilos That isn't true. Hosokawa Gracia died at only age 37 and was killed by her retainer when Ishida (Ishido's inspiration) attempted to take her hostage. Her husband had ordered his servants to do so if her honor was threatened. She also didn't want to commit suicide as that's against Christianity.
@@milosmilosmilos Yes she did. In fact the last poem Mariko says in the show was made by Akechi Tama, her real life counterpart: "Only by knowing when to fall, Do flowers become flowers And people become people" As she was about to be taken hostage, she ordered her servant to kill her and then set fire to the castle.
A love affair so brief yet so profound. It may not be the happy ending but it shows that Mariko’s love to Anjin was expressed thru her sacrifice. And now, i would like to go to a corner and cry.
I shed angry tears twice..she escaped death by a hair..I was angered..wait no 2x angry but when John was in th boat.. trying to hold back...yeah the man tears thus came
切ないね。 The emotion described by the Japanese word "切ない" (setsunai) is a complex state of heart that combines feelings of sadness, loneliness, and frustration. It is often used in situations involving heartbreak, separation, or longing for someone far away, where one experiences a poignant ache. "Setsunai" can also express the frustration of not being able to obtain something or fulfill a desire. The feeling often intertwines with bittersweet memories or hopes, carrying an element of beauty and melancholy.
Mariko arranged for his ship to be burned, and once it was burned, Blackthorne was no threat to the Catholic Portuguese. Blackthorne was a Christian, Church of English.
Toranaga did it as part of his dealings with the Catholics. Presumably, Mariko and he had it planned since before the final trip to Osaka. She bargained for his life, which was only tenable if his means to attack the Catholics was removed; otherwise he'd get his ship back and immediately sail it against the Black Ship, which wouldn't benefit Toranaga, the Portuguese, Japan, or in the end even benefit Blackthorne. So likely Mariko and Toranaga worked out that he would be spared and taken back into Toranaga's service, but that the ship had to be destroyed. It was also a test of Anjin's character.
We should make a show . When a British, an Arabic, an African from the messai , and Indian monk , and a Japanese Samurai with a native American . All of them meet.
