That's what I don't get he can kill many and just get locked away I've read the injustice he killed 11 million people including a pregnant Lois lane and batman wanted to lock him up? And was upset that superman killed him? Superman was mostly in the right in the storyline but the writers had to make him evil and insane to make him the bad guy and batman has killed the joker in some story but thr writer will make it as if bad things will happen by killing one guy who has killed thousands and people call the avengers pussy well in a way both avengers and justice league are pussies people keep doing the s Crap "killing is wrong" IF THE MAN KILLS MANY KILL THE MF kill one to save many if they keep escaping and killing they need to be put down
@@matthewwilliams5407 This is like... what... the 100th time he put him to jail? Hell, he wasn't even put in a jail. It's a fucking insane asylum, and not once batman thought "Hey you know what? This joker dude's not gonna stop anytime soon and more bodies will pile up the longer he lives. Let's just off him right now!"
You gotta appreciate the fact that the Joker said "i didnt come for THAT kind of trouble ... i wouldnt kill your wife on your anniversary" and actually kept to his word even in the following years
It does only take one bad day and that’s why he came back over and over again to give him another bad day as the other ones were not bad enough to break Tommy. The worst thing is that the more mentally stable u are and the more u “get better and don’t quit” the more the joker will break u. Tommy was soo tough it took joker 5 years to be able to break him and that’s fucking messed up.
@@ked49 u telling me his wife didn't dance with the joker in that scene? im pretty sure it was all real and he only lost his mind after the police refused to believe him at all. The watergun gag was just too joker to be made up in some rando's head, and we all know Joker is capable of cleaning up crime scenes after the fact.
Technically just four bad days in a span of 3 and a half years. But i find the whole story dumb and really absurd. Because they set up Tommy as a pretty tought guy, to the point he confronts the Joker right after he saw him kill two goons in cold blood. So it makes no sense that he could "mentally" collapse at some words from the Joker a year later. Tommy might grieve the horrible death of his friend, but being Tommy a tought police investigator he should have known better and get some therapy. It is always amazing how the writers can give superpowers to the Joker so he can teleport with no explanation to somewhere, do a deep research into someone`s life and then go to his house to write "I Miss You" on the floor in a couple of hours after spending days disconected from the outside world. And that did not affect Tommy at all, because after that simple "i miss you" reminder, Tommy was capable of remaking his whole life and even got a wife, wich is really good as he was not married before. So when the joker does his super instant research, use his Tommy`s finder habilities and magically teleports to Tommy`s new house to show him some creepy but well edited videos (another superpower of the joker is to get supplies instantly for everything in less than a day, even flesh corrosive acid, videotapes and an editor) there was no reason for Tommy to go insane. They have shown us that Tommy is not only a tought guy, but he is also resilient enough to start a new life. So, why didn`t he just leave Gotham and moved with his wife to anywhere else? is literally easier than what he did before. So it makes absolutely no sense than Tommy somehow goes insane after that las encounter. Because the first one was waaaay worse and he was still capable of living his life. But if we believe that Tommy can actually go insane, wouldn`t he go full Rambo? he was a competent police investigator, he is resilient. He should have dedicated his life to kill the Joker the next time they see each other. And also, Batman should have knew at this point that Tommy is always the first person the joker goes to visit after escaping. So at the end nothing makes sense. Everyone in the story behaves out of character besides the Joker, and everything that happens is just gimmicky.
Wow, Tommy was a terrible friend. The Joker keeps reaching out to him, and it's never "So, how have things been going lately Joker? Anything new between you and Harley?" It's always about Tommy.
I feel like joker would react like how homelander reacts to is it stillwell, in the comics? In the show they made it edgar essentislly, where he is the only one whos heartrate doesnt increase near him. I think joksr would be genuinely intrigued, amused, maybe even confused at how someone is just treating him so casually. That is before going back to being joker. There are then 1 of 2 outcomes: 1 he also treats it casually in a wierd form of respect to the guy, or 2: he fucking obliterates the guy, much like joker does to bonk in return of the joker
This is an example of how batmans whole “no killing” rule still hurts people. This dude is a total psycho and completely destroyed so many lives just to prove a point
Yes, but the legal system keeps saving the Joker from death row with the insanity plea despite his mounting body count. Arkham fails to keep the Joker from escaping again and again. He's a menace to society and everyone knows it but he can't be executed because he's insane. I also don't see any cop trying to shoot the clown dead or the legal system labeling the Joker a hopeless cause and an irredeemable murderer and executing him. Something they can do but chose not to. Continuously playing the insanity plea even when that has its limits. But everyone blames Batman, the vigilante for not killing. The same vigilante that's been hunted down whenever he was framed for murder. Frankly, they should blame Arkham for not keeping him in check and the legal system that keeps defending the Joker for being insane instead of blaming the vigilante who will be hunted down for murder if he kills the Joker.
It's not really Batmans job to kill him, nothing's stopping Commissioner Gordon, the Gotham DA, Mayor, etc from pushing for the death penalty for the guy who gassed an entire kindergarten class
I think that this is a good example of the no-killing rule being misunderstood. It's not just a rule for Batman, it's a weakness, a chink in his armor so to speak. In some of the better Batman storylines, I seem to remember it being hinted at that Batman is just one step from the edge, teetering on the abyss, and that if he was able to justify one killing (or intentionally letting a villain get killed by proxy, it would push him over the edge. As I understood, it is not the great moral stance that Batman is supposed to be taking, but rather, it's batman grasping to the edge of his sanity.
Yeah Usually people avoid leaving their city to save their career and relationships Even when not running means death But this dude threw away everything but still did not leave gotham
I would like to point out that the Joker shooting Barbara Gordon wasn't because he knew about Batgirl it was because he was trying to break her father, Jim Gordon by making him have "one bad day".
@@looniemoonie5955 Everybody has their breaking point. And that mental strength has a lot to do with incremental suffering, but even incremental suffering can become overwhelming.
@@ArsxnIV i don't know here the thing reverse flash has some reasons to be petty but joker did it to a random dude he meet who he had no reason to be petty too
I love how the entire time, Joker only actually did anything once, which was to kill the roommate. He actually didnt kill anyone else the other times, but he didnt need to. His mere presence was menacing.
I can't believe how powerful Joker's plot armor is. Imagine knowing Joker will break into your house once a year and you fail to kill him every year. Thank God for Jason Todd, bars.
That wasn't the real Thanos though that was just a clone of his that was going crazy they're all dead at this point Plus the guy was always able to pick himself back up after Thanos ruining his life
In the ‘Animated Series’ in the episode ‘Joker’s Favor’ the Joker try to pull this move on a dude name Charlie Collins, but unlike Tommy, Charlie mange to get his shit together and pull the ‘uno reverse card’ on Joker, by holding him at dynamite point, while mocking him of how he was gonna get blown all to high hell by a mere ‘nobody’ causing the Joker to scream for Batman to save him, only to realize that the dynamite was one of his confetti bombs. In the end Joker was humble by a mere nobody.
@@revalier3670 And that would fuckin piss Joker off to no end to know that a nobody not one of Batman's Rouge Gallery made Batman laugh, it's the curliest joker anyone could play on The Joker and would show how vain Joker really is case in point the fight between Joker in Tim Drake's body and Terry McGinnis in Batman Beyond Return Of The Joker
Well yeah but the animated series joker aint the comicbooks joker. Joker in the animated series is just a narcissistic criminal with a heavy inferiority complex. Joker in the comics...Is the other side of the coin to batman.. he is own twisted way he has reach enlightenment. That way in the animated series the civilian get to make fun of him .. but here he doesn't
@@PK-MegaLolCaT: But the thing is that Tommy could have done what Charlie did. Rise above the Joker’s antics, and put the Clown on his place. This comic is about ‘poor bastard’ that allowed himself to become Joker’s personal ‘bitch.’
Might not be canon now, but Superman could hear everyone's heartbeat, and tell them apart. He could have just listened for the Joker's voice, then caught him in a few hours.
So you're telling me this guy; after creating a whole new life, which joker finds no problem. Then proceeds to get married? As if he didn't know what would happen
Joker is the best multitasker alive. He managed to: Make a friend, ruin someone mentally, terrorize a city, traumatize 2 people, fill up his old arkham cell, and never stopped smiling once during it all
The fact that joker knows how to mentally torture people and knows what he’s doing when he’s doing it makes him even more sane. Insane people don’t even think they’re hurting. Joker knows and he’s pretty sane, just evil
He'd consider that to be a violation of ones rights that's even worse than death, and would also consider anyone using this method to be paving a path to tyranny
So, Batman should never chill. Ever. Always be on alert. Always fight some bad guy. Always deal with a threat. Never rest, never stop, never allow himself a moment's indulgence. Is Gotham worth that?
@@geoffz2366 That's what he comes to realize in The Dark Knight Returns. He finally realizes that it wasn't worth keeping him alive because of all the people he's killed so Batman kills him.
That’d be kinda boring as citizens are really the only people he can attack Joker can’t actually fight anyone with superpowers because he’s just a clown Which makes me think, why the fuck do people live in Gotham City? The man protecting it legitimately has NO powers and the longest list of villains that actually are kinda scary Disasters everyday like holy shit how is this city still functional? Although The Joker might kill people the real villain here is Batman He intentionally locks them up in a shitty prison (that he owns aka money) so they can escape wreck havoc and be thrown back into prison (even more money) and the cycle continues keeping everyone poor so nobody can afford to escape Gotham He’s a billionaire but he legitimately doesn’t even care about the people because he needs money to keep pretending to be a hero so he can save peoples he’s endangering
I think all Tommy had to do was play along. The Joker acted like he wanted a friend, Tommy should have been a friend. He'd recognized the Joker's viewpoint before. He saw that Joker viewed things as a big game. Tommy should have realized that, willing or not, he was part of the game now, and played it. Visits in Arkham, a phone number Joker could always call, a PO box. Invite him to things. Have tickets to an event ready to go. Make him a friend of the family. Edit: lots of people seem to think I believe Joker actually wanted a friend. I know he didn't. But that was the game he was playing. And as long as Joker was determined to play that game, to beat Tommy, then Tommy had a shot of controlling at least some of how he engaged with the Joker. If Joker was determined to act like a friend, to play by that specific set of rules, then Tommy could have used that against him.
That won't work. Joker doesn't repay kindness with kindness. The joke wouldn't be funny to the Joker, and you know what happens when the Joker gets bored. He doesn't let them go free, safe and dandy. He just kills them and moves on to his next laugh.
@@TheNewRobotMaster It would be funny. He has to constantly act like he likes a insane person who could kill him in a instant and treat him like a friend. Plus, Joker could have someone to chill with.
"Hey Batman, thanks for saving me from the Joker. Hey, since this is the second time in a row that he's broken out and specifically targeted me, maybe the next time he breaks out you should contact me just in case he tries to go after me again." It was that easy, Tommy.
I often wonder why other then the Joker being Batman's arch enemy why the Joker never got the Death sentence for the hundreds of people he has killed. That comic is a great way to show how effective phycological torture is over physical torture.
@@arthuralexandre3112 Right? If you kill a psychopath who tortures people for fun in the name of ending the suffering that doesn't turn you into a psychopath who tortures people for fun.
@@jackngo9338The writers said joker has superhuman durability and i think also something in lines of superhuman healing or something like that so he can't be crippled for a long time
Joker being in your house, chilling under your bed like those stories I heard about homeless people secretly living in people’s residences without them even knowing until a security cam gets installed sounds fucking terrifying. That could be like a solo Joker horror movie by itself lol
They're both on the same level really, I personally think that Thanos was worse since he was doing it to that dude since he was born. Atleast Tommy's early life was fine until he messed with the Joker.
@@nonaw7529 Well, more like around 30 days, since Thanos just visited him once a year on his birthday, it does look like Joker spent multiple days in a row with him, so we don't know just how long it took Joker, but we do know Thanos took around 20-30 days
Indeed, Mullet Man didn't understand the end of the story... Eric did visit Tommy at Arkham Asylum, he did become his friend, because he worked there as an orderly. It's all explained in "Batman: Endgame" and some of the comics that are connected to the event. The first half of Eric, Ei, is proto-Norse for "eternal". Reicks stands for ancient Gothic, meaning "Prince". Border is a homophone for the word "Bourder". The word is an out-of-date phrase which translates into the modern lexicon as "Jester".
That was AMAZING. I just discovered your channel -- and I'm impressed! (Aside from The Killing Joke, what are the titles and issue numbers of the stories mentioned at the beginning? Those look delightfully creepy too!!) Thank you!
On Batman not killing the Joker: He wishes the Gotham justice system would do it. But as a vigilante he feels it isn't his place to make that decision. Not stepping into the role of judge, jury or executioner is part of what keeps Gotham's government tolerating him
This is why I get so mad at the "Why doesn't he just kill the Joker" argument, because it is LITERALLY not his job. Batman isn't the one doing his job wrong in this situation, whoever keeps giving Joker second chances in Arkham is the one responsible. If Al Capone broke out of jail and started killing people no-one would ever put the blame on the cop who arrested him rather than shooting him.
@@coolgreenbug7551 Yeah, but don't forget it's mostly just breakouts that got the Joker out. Therefore, there is still no one else to blame, but Batman. He's a fricking vigilante, for crying out loud. I mean he's indirectly responsible for this poor man being on the brink of insanity.
They can easily make horror film about this to show how horrifying the joker is to a normal person with no powers or special abilities psychological horror where his life slowly starts spinning out of control reality and fantasy star mixing together and slowly starts losing his sanity
I'd watch it, Joker is realllllyyyyy into psylogical torture. like really, he's the reason batman is like one step from throwing anyone who laughs down a staircase. Hope you have a nice day! :O
This is probably one of the rare examples of Joker showing off his intelligence that can rival Batman at times if/when he puts his mind too it. Joker's pettiness out matches Eobard Thawne, something I didn't know possible
i still think thawne is pettier mainly because joker didnt really care about the comment he just wanted to break a man. thawne really cares about not being the flash way too much
@@hamchurger4566 thawne wanted to be Barry mate and companion and first got shown by him he goes jail comes out wants redemption from Barry Only to learn he’s his greatest enemy which starts him on his path to reverse flash Joker Lito just sees this guys confidence and view of him a joke which he takes advantage on emotionally breaking the guy using the theme of what was said to him about lonlyness and friendship
I’m pretty sure I’m the multiverse Batman is sitting somewhere thinking I did it I saved gotham and everyone is just riddled with ptsd and Batman is oblivious as hell to it like “yeah I’m such a good hero!”
all the gothhamites are immensely scared of laughter, vines, birds, Alice in wonderland, calendars, Clowns, organised standup comedy competitions, Puns, bats, big animals, anything 2 related, duality, puzzles, riddles, their tap water, scarecrows, straw, puppets, children's mascots, Lauder-mats, winter, ice, cold, and fire. you go anywhere else in DC's America, no problems with these things. it's just Gotham is the crime central of america, everywhere else has Meta's who try to make the populous not PTSD riddled. Hope you have a nice day! :D
There was a comic I remember from many many years ago and I havent been able to find it. Joker and Batman were both displayed as massive lanky beasts with distorted bodies. Big sharp teeth, long fingers and claws. The story was about a guy who was going insane and was mimicking Joker killing his wife. It was as if Batman and Joker weren't really real characters in that universe, but elemental states of the mind. It's from the same era of comics when Hal Jordan lost Coast city, I remember getting a bunch of comics in a bundle.
I'm noticing a pattern, *Joker is excessively clingy to those that know him* Every time someone talks shit or dissects Joker in his face without fear it delights him. That's why he tries to get Batman, at first he genuinely tried to kill him but now needs him. Others he'll gladly maim or kill to get to them like how he did the batfamily, I'd like to see a storyline on how he perfected the iconic batfamily assault by practicing on Harley or the everyman like Tommy or the other guy he also was talked down to.
I think the Joker has in modern times been used as an avatar of insanity. Whenever the writer needs or wants to tell a story about insanity they use Joker for that purpose. In a way, many comic book characters are born and/or defined by an idea. Superman, Freedom. Batman, Trauma. Spiderman, becoming an adult. Joker, insanity. Most times the power dynamics of these characters and how threatening they are in the story depends on the view of the writer, the importance they give to Trauma or Freedom or Insanity.
I don't understand why everyone keeps blaming Batman. It's the Justice System of Gotham that refuses to give Joker the bloody chair every time Batman turns him in, instead the idiots just go "Ah yes he's just crazy. Off to the asylum". Batman is an enforcer, not an executioner. The Justice System of Gotham is flawed.
@@pyerack At some point, not sure which hospital or school he burned, blowed, or gassed up and killed everyone inside. But I'm thinking some time around teh Private School full of highschoolers, Gotham's Maternity ward in No Mans Land or one of the dozens of Christmas Shopping massacres he's fond of. But at some point, Batman has to assume full moral and ethical responsiblity. Every single last reasonable method has been tried dozens of time, he's turned his own medical professionals INSANE. Hell harley isn't even the only one. He's literally talked people to death on a phone call, which in itself was part of a game to fuck with a GCPD officer who got tortured till he became a super villain himself.
It's kind of like when Thanos picked some random kid and showed up every single year on his birthday, starting from the actual day of his birth, and messing up his life in some way every time. Like smashing his dad's car with his dad inside it, or killing his friend, or blowing up his house, or smashing his plumbing to flood his apartment, or killing his cat. For literally no reason other than to cause as much misery as possible to this one specific dude.
I really dislike those iterations of the Joker where he can do just everything just BCS. Like how does have the resource, time, and intelligence network to pull of all those things? It doesn't make sense and the power scaling for Joker is just upsurd and immersion braking at this point. He's a dude in a clown costume with some biochemistry knowledge ot make his gas and ruedemtry hand-to-hand skills. But no, he can trace an investigative reporter from prison, set up and clean up chemical laboratories in such a way that police phorensic can find anything, he can hack into any computer system he might need to arise or find evidence and so on and so on. It's just nonsencial.
Funny how I used to say what’s so scary about joker since he was just a guy with no powers but his ability to break people mentally and torment is frightening
I remover reading a comic where they had robin and super boy teaming up. Super boy was disappointed because he’d always heard how dangerous the criminals in Gotham were, but he had no problem taking out a lot of Batman’s stronger enemies. Then they walk in on Zazz butchering a family, he looks up and says “sss you’ll wake the baby” super boy promptly has a massive panic attack while robin takes care on business, and states the problem with fighting gothams criminals isn’t a physical challenge, it’s mental one.
He is VERY scary and one of the scariest imo. Not just cause of his abilities but also because of him being a little more realistic. There are psychos in real life that are like him. And other criminals in Gotham. Realistic villains scare me more than those with powers. Humans can be more scarier, same with wild animals because they’re more realistic. O.O
I feel like Batman’s line in “Under the Red Hood” perfectly explains why he refuses to kill Joker. Because he knows that he’d never be able to stop until he’s killed every last criminal, and he’d have thrown away every ideal he’s ever held that’s kept him together over the years. The world would be a better place if Joker was dead, but Batman can’t be the one to do it (just look at how Injustice turned out with Superman becoming a dictator) Edit: for some clarification. When I say “kill every last criminal”, I mean the big ones. If he kills Joker, what’s to stop him from killing Penguin? Or Bane? Or Two-face? They’ve all done awful things too (not to the extent of Joker, but still). To him, if he compromises one ideal, he risks compromising more. That code is what separates him from every other damaged supervillain, it’s what separates his sense of self from that of the Joker. He might not kill anyone else ever again, but he’d have to live with that direct blood forever. Also, in that speech, he says he doesn’t just want to kill Joker, he wants to torture him. Doing that would change Batman forever, it would destroy what his symbol is, the thing that’s kept him going. Is it selfish to not kill Joker? A bit, but it’s still valid Edit 2: Looks like there’s been a lot of debate in the comment section. So I’ll try and tidy up what I was saying. When people say that Batman is mentally damaged, I agree with that. He watched his parents die right in front of him when he was 8, no one would walk out of that completely together. But to me, that doesn’t make him a coward for refusing to kill/allow anyone to die. To me, there isn’t a clear cut answer to what Batman should do and what the moral ramifications that could bring. Yes, killing the villains who commit these atrocities would save lives in the long run. But to me, it’s always seems easier for people to agree that a fictional character should do that themselves. Believing that the hero should kill the bad guys and being the one to actually take those lives are very different, it’s all a matter of perspective. That doesn’t make the argument that Batman should kill his enemies invalid, it just means it’s more complicated than it’s often made out to be. Some characters are more open to killing villains, others aren’t, and both are valid viewpoints. I just find what makes Batman so complex is his struggle against that urge. To want to kill every villain he goes up against, but he knows what that would do to his symbol. Criminals wouldn’t be the only ones who fear him, the civilians would too (just look at his arc in The Batman and how he went from a force of vengeance to a symbol of hope). Another thing to mention is this interesting comic pane I saw where Bruce gave Joker CPR after he drowned. He didn’t cause the drowning, and he could have let Joker die. But he had this internal monologue about how his father was a doctor, a healer. And how if he chose to allow someone to die without doing anything, he would be tarnishing the memory of his father. That is what keeps Batman from ending one life to potentially save hundreds, because it would also kill the very memory of why he chose to do this in the first place. I’m not trying to say that Batman should never kill, and I’m not saying he should kill every villain who regularly kills others. I just want to shine a light on why he still doesn’t kill Joker. (Plus, look at how people reacted to Batfleck and how he killed people on the regular) And before people bring up the whole “Bruce could help Gotham more using his resources for the city instead of dressing up like a bat”, he does both. He has multiple charities, provides job opportunities to henchman/ex-cons, funds programs to help improve Gotham. Just because he spends his nights dressing like a bat to beat up criminals, doesn’t automatically mean he only uses his money for Batman.
Yeah, except for the fact that its a petty excuse for why he won't end the life of the one person who's personally caused the deaths of hundreds of thousands. Really great justification. "If I kill this one mass murderer, I won't be able to stop myself from killing jaywalkers"
@@TheChocoboRacer It’s a garbage excuse but it makes sense for Batman. He’s a person with a very messed up psyche so someone with half a well structured mind has to pull the trigger before he can stop them from doing so Batman can’t even give approval beforehand because in his eyes he’s still killing the Joker himself by letting it happen, so it *has* to be done that way
This one kid got into a fight at my school because someone took his grapes, he ran up and punched the kid for taking his grapes and he fought back. The kid who started the fight got off Scott free as his family was very wealthy while the kid who defended himself got expelled with a large ammounts of conduct points on his transcript. I’ve taken it upon myself to leave a single grape in every known location the rich kid will be throughout his day, getting increasingly intrusive
Really enjoy your channel and how many stories you talk about that i've never heard of before. I feel like this is the creepiest stuff Joker can do in Gotham. Stalking a random civilian just to prove a point is so scary
Joker is messed up. No one can play mind games quite like him. I remember once in a comic, Joker kidnapped and killed some people. Everytime he'd kidnap a person, batman would search for them and then find them dead. Then one time joker kidnapped another person (I think it was a girl) and batman looked for her. He found where she was kept and to his surprise he found her alive. After apprehending joker batman asked him why he kept this girl alive. Joker said, "Cause now, you'll never truly know"... Cold shit.
It would be really cool if you start placing what comics these panels came from in the description or something, in case people want to read it themselves 👍
I mean,he probably could if he really wanted to,but I don't think he really does. I think he sees it as a game. Batman is his nemesis,simply figuring out and utilizing his identity would be like cheating. It's like playing a video game. The whole point is to get stronger and beat all the levels,but there wouldn't be much to do if you did.
Mostly because of fucken Batman who would stop you from killing criminals, aka why Red Hood spends half his time dodging Batman and only other half shooting.
Fun fact Batmans no kill rule was originally a way for DC to avoid being sued for copyright infringement by street and smith. As Bob Kane and Bill Finger had essentially plagiarized the shadow pulp partners in peril for Batmans debut comic.
Except in the original comics Batman killed plenty of people. Hell he straight up killed joker in his first appearance. The no killing rule is a combination of the comics code authority during the silver age, and dc wanting to keep around the really interesting villains. You’ll note the punisher doesn’t have a rogues gallery, and that forces his writers to get a lot more creative. It also results in villains that aren’t quite as memorable.
One if the changes i like that they made in the Arkham series is actually the fact that Joker physically and mentally tortured Jason for a year just like that. Shame the payoff in game was a bit whatever imo, but i would love to see an adaptation of that in the mainstream comics ngl
That's actuallyl the worst part of the game for me. You would have us believe that Bruce, Dick, Alfred, Barbara would sit around with Superman a literal whisper away for years? Ok I'll believe Bruce would, not a problem. Dick? You're telling me DICK GRAYSON would not be dragging the whole of the Titans to Gotham and ripping that city apart brick by brick by brick till he found his brother? That ALFRED would not be in the Daily Planet giving Clark the boot out of the his chair to get his ass to Gotham and find his grandson? After weeks, months? Wonder Woman (who adores Jason the most out of the robins) wouldn't be there to slap Bruce's shit around for not calling the League. And before you say the League doesn't exist there, it does, Suicide Squad kills the Justice League is Arkhamverse canon.
@@bulbafett5001 - The Justice League also exists in the DCAU, but the Batfam didn't call them when the Joker kidnapped Tim Drake and tortured him until he was brainwashed. Superman, the Flash and Wonder Woman constantly have their own crisis to deal with, the can't fight Lex Luthor, Prometheus and Ares with Bruce constantly asking them to check up on Jason or Tim...
@@randallflagg3700 Ther'es a slight difference between Captured and tortured over a day or two like Tim and nearly two years like Jason. Joker didn't send Bruce weekly updates on Tim's brutalization for months and months, nor did he let the entirety of Arkham beat on the kid. Which is the part that really bugs me, like Catman. CATMAN was one of the guys who did this, Catman is not a guy who fucks around with hurting kids or tolerates that shit from others. He also has a major respect for Batman. and like Calenderman or Riddler wouldn't have squealed to get a deal from the cops or Batman. The idea that for years every single villain in Arkham was able to maintain this secret PLUS not a single member of the Batfamily, not Bruce, Alfred, Dick, Barbara or Kate did a thing to look outside of Gotham for help. Even if you somehow believe Bruce and Alfred did nothing at all and Barbara just gave the fuck up. You're telling me Dick Grayson would be doing a single other thing than ripping Gotham apart with his bare fucking hands until he found his brother alive or dead. And that he wouldn't call the Titans to help him regardless of what Bruce wants? The guy who beat the Joker to death over mocking Jason's death. That guy, the guy who routinely summons the Titans to just *stomp the fuck* out problems, at least until DC forgot he has a phone, brain cells that work and friends.
@@bulbafett5001 - Tim Drake wasn't tortured for a day or two, he was tortured for *3 weeks* at the abandoned Arkham Asylum. You'd think Batman would ask for the Justice League's help after a few days at worst... and that he would have looked there sooner. Also, I wouldn't worry too much about the stuff that is in *Arkham Knight: Genesis* since it's non-canon. But when it comes to Catman, he's pretty different when he's written by Gail Simone... Last time we saw him before Gail picked him up was in Brad Meltzer's Green Arrow run, where he was a real scumbag. And recently, in *"The Joker Annual 2021"* , Catman was happy to work for the Joker, and tried to kill Batgirl.... and taunted Jim Gordon about what happened to his friend Harvey Dent. When he isn't written by Gail Simone, he isn't particularly honorable/respectful.
I still don't understand why no one has been able to just cap him. I get that it's because people are too afraid of Joker to apparently even attempt to bring their own gun, but like, why???? It only takes one bullet.
Plot Armour lol. Joker has very little benefit to anyone and is a problem/headache for both heroes and villains alike the bounty on his head should be so high people are coming to Gotham in droves specifically to take his life.
This is a tiny bit like that episode in the Animated series were that guy accidentally tells off the Joker in traffic. Joker places him on standby if the Joker needed something from him. The guy moves his family and gets a new identity only for the Joker to find him again.