Two Face Meets a Man with the same affliction and it doesn’t End Well. #comics #content #explained #explore #new #dc #dccomics #batman #penguin #joker #twoface
I liked how Hugo Strange shattered Two-Face's entire world view in Arkham City by throwing multiple coins at him, asking him if these coins mattered in choice.
That's also similar to how Two Face was turned completely indecisive to the point of not being able to decide going to the bathroom and soiling himself in A Serious House On Serious Earth. His coins were replaced with other items, ending with, IIRC, a dice or a deck of cards. But there was actually one of the few, if only, positive twists to the story when it's showed that in the end, Two Face made his own choice in sparing Batman's life.
That ending is horrible. Trying to shoot Two-Face was the best possible decision considering the circumstance so his wife hating him is incredibly illogical
@@Hell_O7 It's not so much that she hated him, so much that she didn't know what to feel with regard to him being willing to let her die to satisfy his own sense of morality. It means she likely would've killed for him, and finds that love isn't reciprocated. And remember, he's the one who left, she just didn't stop him. He's the one who looked at that scar everyday and decided he couldn't live with her, with his guilt and self-hatred for not picking her. That's why there's an ending where they can reconcile depending on his mental state.
I feel like flipping the coin is the exact opposite of what you’re meant to do. The whole point of the story is that you can choose what happens and by flipping the coin you just let two-face win. You’re meant to take control and choose your own ending
Exactly I thought the same. It’s like that riddler comic that’s set up like a labyrinth and you only win once you read it normally and stop playing the riddlers game. Or in this case Twofaces
I love that, appearance wise, Dent and Holman are opposites. With Holman having long, blonde hair, fair skin and blue eyes while Harvey has short, black hair, tanned skin and brown eyes. Even their burns are different, with Harvey's being a straight line and Holman's fading into his skin. Its a nice little way of saying how, even though they have similar origin stories, they're completely different
Harvey's injury has two variations one being the fire similar to Holman's but the other more common variation is sulphuric acid which but they are similar injuries in the end.
Gotta admire Holman. In my eyes he just proved his point to Two Face. Holman was given 2 choices, yet he made a third one which is to fight a super villain to save his wife and batman. Even if he knew his chances were so low, he would not become a villain.
Yeah honestly the outcome of his decision feels a little forced imo. Choosing to place himself in danger instead of murder or letting his wife be scalded by acid seems like the no brainer decision, kinda weird how that ruined his marriage.
If I were that dude’s spouse, I’d be far from mad. Takes some balls to stand up to a mass murderer and try to do the right thing. Just because the game was rigged against him doesn’t mean he’s a bad person
@@malplaysgames944 ...Two-Face has a fucking gun. And saying he is crazy is putting it lightly. You think he's going to let you do that? He's going to either kill you or release the tank before you got to the second chain
I remember reading this one in a library and stopped to ask a random person for a coin. They asked why and I just said "to see how this story ends" and they thought I was insane.
@@s.oddity3640 lmfao, in hindsight they probs thought i was pulling a No Country for Old Men and that's why I ended up just flipping another book cuz they refused to give me a coin.
To be fair, Two-Face told Holman to shoot Batman, not to kill him and considering how strict Two-Face with everything he says he would probably let them go if Holman aimed Batman's feet and shot
But considering how unpredictable Two-Face is, If Holman shot his foot, he most likely would have said, "Hmm, not what I had in mind. Let's see what the coin says." Then he would've flipped the coin and if it landed tails, the same thing would have happened.
That's unknowable. Maybe after shooting Batman, he would have just told he is going to flip a coin again and regardless of where it lands, shoot either the wife or Holman.
I really wonder what wouldve happened if he just felt the weight of the gun and realized it wasnt loaded with real bullets and told two face he knew thus ruining the whole thing. Neither option would happen then or if it did then it would be loaded
The coin flip lets Harvey live more comfortably with his decisions. He isn't at fault for anything. Luck is what matters, not his finger on a trigger. After the incident where he lost his face he CHOSE to start being the bad guy, but he can never see it that way.
If a commanding officer orders a soldier to kill an innocent kid of a foreign country just because they might be a potential grenade tosser and the soldier does so, is the soldier at fault or is he blameless just because his superior ordered him to? I'd argue that Harvey IS very much at fault for his actions. He was too weak-willed and took the easy way by letting luck decide every decision he makes. He ignores the morality behind his decisions, which is selfish of him.
@@chaoticnote I think it's beautiful that he actually lets fate take the wheel. Our whole life are affected by luck. We made decision without knowing how it will turn out. We don't know anything about the future. It either goes right or it goes wrong. It's no different than flipping a coin.
If anyone finds this concept interesting I highly recommend they check out the novel The Dice Man by Luke Rhineheart, about a wealthy and successful man whos bored with his position in like and starts making more and more extreme decisions based on dice rolls.
There's a third option for the ending - be just like batman, decide for yourself - I realized it as I grabbed a coin to "play" along. As I was gonna flip it I thought "If I don't I can make my own choice." Maybe that was the writers intent all along?
While I was doing it I said “I’m literally taking orders from a comic book character” I wish I decided to be cool and quirky like everyone else in the comment section and be contrary but I didn’t.
that coin flip was so immersive, it made this story feel personal. It was kinda weird at first but when I realized I actually needed to grab a coin, I paused the video to grab a quarter out of a jar of coins I keep. After listening to what would happen I was ready to flip the coin. I knew it was just a fictional character and the toss had no real meaning, but it was still a pretty tense situation. Especially after seeing the pictures of the results and the way the joker talked about the happy ending as if it wasn't even a fulfilling ending, I had a gut feeling that it would be tails. I flipped the coin, caught it in my right, and flipped it over to the back of my left hand, and then raising my hand I found that the coin showed tails, and Holman Hunt had ended his life. Of course, I could just reflip the coin, but it wouldn't make any difference. It already happened
I picked up a quarter too. When I flipped it I dropped it. It landed on tails. Decided that didn't count. Flipped again and caught it this time. It landed on tails again. Damn
I did consider flipping the coin but then I took Batman’s advice and I decided. I flipped a Shrek the Third dvd instead and it landed heads up which means that he survived and lived happily ever after in the loving arms of Shrek
That seems like a bit much, if it was really Batman, killing him would just make his situation worse as you have no guarantee he would let you go as well as there is a good chance he could get out and help if you buy time. There wasn’t a good answer there, I don’t really get why he would blame himself to point of leaving and committing suicide or why his wife would see him in such a different light. I don’t know personally felt like a ridiculous escalation for shock factor but maybe that is just me.
I agree, I wouldn’t say it would be completely left-field for these characters to act like this since we or I don’t really know them, but it’s definitely not how every couple would react to this just due to the unreasonableness and wickedness of the situation that was purposely set up like that.
"you have no guarantee he would let you go" Yes you do. It's not the Joker, it's Two Face. That's his whole thing. He absolutely will follow through on a deal if it goes your way. The rest is just down to interpretation so I can't say you're wrong but it makes sense to me considering it's an extreme situation.
In relation to the ending of this comic I'd highly recommend go read a short story "A Riddle" from "Batman Black and White". While it features the Riddler as a villain - it pretty much very well defines the power of a reader in such interactive scenes. We do not have to play by Joker's rules here, we don't have to flip a coin. We may proceed as we see fit. Because that's the power we, the readers, hold. As well as Batman who manages to always work around any unwinnable or sadistic situations that villains put him in.
If you make fun of Penguin, if he even feels disrespected he's the pettiest psycho on the planet and will drop everything ruin you. It's why I like him.
Moral of this story? If Penguin decides he doesn't like you, you'd better run like hell, or you'll regret it for the rest of your life. And "the rest of your life" will not be very long.
i remembered the animated series were penguin was free from arkham asylum and getting second chance until his fake ass girlfriend ruined him everyone made fun of him she only use not the money but playing his life around
@@lightspaceman5064 Speaking in Penguin's defense (not that he was right to go that far) some people get so abused by society that they snap to Penguin's degree and in their eyes whatever abuse they suffer or perceive to suffer at that current moment is just simply the last straw of the last straw of the last straw that they had to deal with all their lives. So from their perspective, the over-retaliation is entirely justified. I unfortunately am one of those people. I just pull myself back because I know that returning the hurt with more hurt will only perpetuate the cycle and that hurting others is just simply morally wrong. And I am happy I have that good in me. Bitter, in pain, and angry, but happy I am doing the right thing. I just wish that the pain and abuse would stop for a single goddamn second.
No sir, I won't do that. Call me a spoilsport, but I refuse to give Two-Face and the Joker the satisfaction of my headcannon being determined by coin flip.
Two-Face is such an interesting villain, like he’s not my favourite Batman villain but I like him. When it comes to writing a story for or involving Two-Face the writer has to remember that they are writing for two people: Harvey and Two-Face. I think what makes Two-Face so interesting is the dynamic between his Harvey persona and the Two-Face persona. It’s good vs evil down to the BONE, but usually Two-Face overpowers Harvey and thats what makes his character so tragic. Harvey is still in there and if Batman himself believes than there’s still hope for him.
That's why he's amazing too. Because Harvey can also overpower Two-face in the opposite direction. There's been more than one occasion where Two-face has taken a back seat and Harvey has helped Batman.
*Always felt like Two Face* should’ve been Batman’s nemesis and not Joker… Cos Two Face has a more personal connection to Batman than Joker and he - to be honest - has way more depth than Joker.
I agree but in defense of Joker: He is chaos and anarchy which is the opposite of what Batman is which law and order. While Two face has a connection and depth he is not the polar opposite of Batman. Although now that I've thought this out one could say his coin is random chance which is a certain kind of chaos
@@samdouthitt5622 batman ? law and order ? you know batman is a vigilante right ? so who's law and order are we talking about and wich one is the right one ? there is only one way to know... toss a coin
@@ii0000 One could argue that Batman is just a larping Bounty Hunter which is perfectly legal since I'm certain all of these criminals have never paid bail
Sam Douthitt - True.. but Nemesis’s don’t always have to be the opposite of one another.. they can sometimes just be a different side of the same coin (ironically) Joker has had some great comics - but the character beyond “Anarchy” is fr nothing.. they even acknowledge that in some comics.
I really don't see how Holman made the wrong choice here. He was handed a weapon and tried to take out the threat in the situation, rather than kill who he thought was Batman and make the situation a lot worse. He was trying to save both Batman and his wife
For Two-Face, the point was that there were only two bad choices to make. Trying to take a third option was an attempt to weasel out of the weight of living with which of the two evils was chosen. More to the point, it isn't really a choice. It's not as if sparing Batman would have guaranteed that Two-Face would also spare him. But even if it did, Batman himself would tell him to pull the trigger. And even if not, a quick bullet to the head is a fair less painful death than being doused in acid. Two-Face's whole point is that the idea of never having to deal with a horrible choice like that, the idea that you have enough control over your fate to avoid such a situation, is a childish way to see things. It's why he scoffs at Holman's righteousness in prison. Had Holman been able to steel himself and make the slightly less horrible choice even if it had meant he'd had more agency in said choice, there would have been absolutely zero consequences.
Pointing a gun at Harvey does nothing to save his wife or Batman. It's a useless way to attempt to asset control over the situation he doesn't have. Not to mention it still depends on Two-Face given that he only threatens Two-Face with a gun he gave him. He's playing entirely within Two-Face's scenario, not really marking out and making his own choice. That's why it's a mistake. It's really dumb. He's negotiating with a crazy man obsessed with duality of choices. Even if the situation was real Harvey would more than likely rather die to trigger the failure state of the scene than just give up and leave.
@@SonicMegaKing nor would aiming at fake batman or his wife. Nor is it a mistake. It is only a mistake to two faces stupid game. Anyone with a gun that was loaded would have domed two face, ten times over.
The ending is a really cool way to give you a choice. I've always loved things where you choose your own destiny/fate, and where choices matter. This is a cool way to have this story end, with the reader determining fate. Also I got tails so oops-
what if i told you that you missed the true ending? going off what the comic hints at, you arnt supposed to flip a coin as you the reader become just like two-face if you allow his fate to end that way. You dont have to listen to the Joker because in life you have control over your own fate, Batman says "no, I do" and Holdman showing that third option by turning the gun toward two-face, they are trying to tell you to choose your own fate.
The bit of audience participation at the end was a brilliant touch. I said "screw it", and played along, was surprised at just how happy I was to get heads.
I accidentally taught the lesson of the story to myself… I flipped the coin. Then, wanting to get the good ending, i waited a moment before revealing it. I couldnt decide wether i wanted to turn the coin over on my arm to reveal it (like i normally do), or just open my hand without turning it over to get the opposite side. Not knowing either side, i decided to open my hand without flipping it over hoping id get heads, and ironically i got tails, knowing if i had just flipped the coin as usual i would’ve gotten heads and this fictional character would still be alive in my version of the story. Very good eye opener on how you should just let things play out if you dont know how they’ll go, instead of trying to interfere and making things worse
I like this idea, cause there was 50/50 chance. Imagine you were in the same situation and you think about turning it over or not and you decide to turn it as you always do to not interfere. But turns out its tails. The conclusion would be that it is sometimes ok to interfere. Except your conclusion to play with chance or not is entirely based on chance😂 It's an interesting Problem. What is worse? 1. Trying (your best / something at all) to beat chance but it turns out it would have resolved itself by not interfering 2. Or (not giving your all / doing nothing) but it turns out, you would have won if you did Or you could do an entire matrix on interfering or not -> you win vs interfering or not -> you lose, and then decide if interference is worth it. Though it's still a 50/50 chance. So for me personally l would have chosen the lazy option to not break my mind over the question and therefore not to interfere, cause it doesn't matter to the coin. (It took me 2h to figure that out. So yes, you could say l also came to the wrong conclusion🤣)
Here's the thing,leaving it to chance is avoiding responsibility for choice. Sure flipping a coin can aid in making a decision and spurring action but the choice to follow through with what the coin flipped to is still up to whoever decided to play that game. The guy in this video could have flipped that coin and seen it said "end it" but it was still his choice to say "nope, luck may be bad but hope does not live on chance".
Nope, you fell into a trap like Holman You were so caught up in the choices like Holman that you made the wrong descision. Holman could have figured out the gun had nothing and you could have just manipulated the coin flip by just turning it over quickly, if it was heads then turn it over slowly to tails then turn it over again suddenly this time to tails and ta dah!! A flip is to turn over with a sudden quick movement. In short if you calmed down and took the time to choose then the way reveals itself. Being so anxious affected your descision making abilities and made you unable to see the truth.
I loved that you brought the viewer into the story rather than just narate that the comic has this ending. Also I just so happen to have a Two-Face coin so that made this all the better
That ending shocked me, a coin flip ending to a two face book is super effective. Only thing is I don’t get why joker is telling the story and it isn’t the video. Two face himself, or just a written recount from a faceless person. I got tails btw
That was a magnificent ending, I got up and actually grabbed a coin. Flipped it and just kept it covered with my hand wondering if I wanted to see it. Much to my relief it was heads.
I like how Holman's face is very rough, with patches of hair left on the "evil" side, while Two-Face has a perfect halving of his face, with even his hair joining in. It kind of symbolizes how Holman doesn't entirely adopt Two-Face's ideology, while Two-Face himself perfected it long ago. I know Two-Face was designed like that straight from the beginning (trust me, I know, he's my favorite batman villian), but its just kinda neat symbolism
I like how Holman's face also blends together with his flesh color. He's a whole-man, where as Two-Face is two halves stuck together in harsh contrast.
God damn thats such a good ending. Focusing on the point that TwoFace is always trying to make, and then putting the reader into his shoes just for one brief moment, giving the reader that single thread of power over destiny, over life and death. And sure you could just -pick- the choice you want, but deep down, deep inside, you know thats not how it works, so you flip the coin, because after all.. you might get the outcome you want if you really really hope enough. And with that brief moment, you are in total control.
You know the funny thing is if you know how you can rig a coin flip that involves a normal coin height, speed and the weight of the coin itself you can literally cheat Harvey’s whole philosophy if you know the right trick
That doesn't give you any control though. It's random chance. Our choices aren't just random chance. They're not an uncaring flip if a coin. We CHOOSE our actions.
You could easily choose the coin flip either by what @digishade7583 said or being semantic. A flip is to turn over with a sudden quick movement. If have tails at the front then flip it to heads. If you have heads then turn it over slowly then flip it. And a 50/50 is not being in total control unless you did what either digishade or I said.
I got tails on my flip, this is one of the most creative and interesting methods of story telling I’ve seen in a long time. I’ve always been a fan of having the audience participate in the outcome of a tale in one way or another
My coin flip landed on heads. Good to know God sometimes looks out for fictional characters in addition to His own creations. Key word being "sometimes".
I swear I got out a coin at the end and was panicking the whole time cause for once I had a choice in the happy ending, and when it landed heads I was pumping my fist in the air like I won the lottery
I got tails. I was half expecting heads to be that he called his wife and, based on the conversation, he killed himself anyway, and tails would be, as he's about to pull the trigger the phone rings and it's her and the two reconcile. That way, if you tried to choose, you would have done the wrong thing and what Harvey said would have held true.
I'm not sure if this moral is intended, but I see this: You don't listen to Joker. You don't toss a coin. You choose and you choose well. Else you'll be just like Two-Face. Be like Batman.
Agreed. Batman endorsed the method of taking it into your own hands. Who's world-view Holman going to side with: Two-Face or the Joker or Batman? You know from his characterization he'd choose to be like Batman.
Heads. Glad to see Holman's doing better - one of the tensest damn coin flips I've ever made. Next time I read this issue - because I will definitely be reading this one again - I'll do it like Holman Holt would; looking his choices right in the eye, without flinching. We decide our fates.
When hearing this well told story I couldn't help but think about a thing: that there are always more than two sides on a coin. After all a coin has three dimensions, it must have more than two sides. Sure, heads and tails are the ones people consider. But they aren't the only sides. The arrival of Batman the choice the man made, proved that sometimes a third or even a fourth option exists. You just have to go past the limit of seeing only two sides in a coin.
@@glugs3356 There's a robot chicken sketch with something like this, where his face gets burned in different ways, becoming 3 face and then 4 face, with the number of outcomes increasing each time as well (like using a 3 sided die and picking straws)..
This was fucking amazing story telling. Actually grabbed a coin at the end Edit: is there when I'm meant to thank everyone for liking my comment or something?
The irony of almost every two face story is that every time, Harvey is defeated because he fails to recognize another outcome aside from two choices. In fact, even in this story, the whole there are only two outcomes shlick is stupid. Other factors, like accepting support from other people, could easily change the number of outcomes.
I love how that man lived happily ever after when I read it. Also I always loved 2face as a villian, obsessed with fate and the concept ofchoice, in his own sick twisted way he gives everyone a solid chance
Seriously though this story is the reason why I love two-face comics so much, because it can give you incredible lessons about morality. I flipped the coin and got tails and hated myself for what had happened to this character, I then began assuring myself that its not my fault and that the coin decided. Then it hit me that I never had to flip in the first place, the whole point of the story is that you can take the way your life goes into your own hands, I always had the choice to just never flip and choose my own story. Ok now I've said the moral of the story I want a small footnote for those who care. I cant stop thinking about if it landed on heads, would I still be thinking about this? Because if I got heads then I would have got the "good ending" and would never have had to worry about the morality of my own decisions because it had a good outcome. But I would lay awake at night thinking like I am now, I would think about what if things happened differently? I let this fictional mans life be up to complete chance and it could have completely gone the other way. Then it would never cross my mind about the lesson I learnt from this story because of me landing on tails
I didn't get a coin and flipped it. I chose my own ending to the story and I think his wife called him because she was worried about him and misses him and probably forgave him too so he went back to her.
Thats not bad, but as the animated series taught me: Theres also an edge and no matter how rare, it sometimes lands that way. Meaning fate is never a 50/50. There is always another option if you look carefully enough.
Not just the edge.. there's also the chance you will never figure out what the result. Or something else affects the coin flip and rendered the flip moot.
It’s really symbolic that in the ending where Holman shot himself, the gun was pointed at the disfigured side of his face, since you can see his normal side intact in the mirror.
The fact that the reason he lefted him is because she is mad at him for trying to save both her and batman instead of just only saving her shows something
That’s a pretty dark story, but Two-Face is probably my favorite Batman villain behind Joker. The idea that he’s half a good person, it has a lot of merit.
Two face was my favorite villain. He just had way more personality or something. Just better character writing showing the distinct line between order and chaos
The problem with Two Face is: He's crazy. He's dichotomized a world which is otherwise entirely spectral. How does the story end? The third option: Don't read it. The fourth option: write your own. The fifth option: Launch a brick into a window. The sixth option: etc. ad nauseum. Nothing is binary in the way Harvey wants it to be, and the simplest amount of scrutiny can illuminate that.
He isn't though. If you think about it, choice is either option A or B. You may think you have limitless options, but when you get down to it, they always circle back to the original 2. Harvey/Twoface have that, but in every aspect of their lives. Everything is black and white, not grey.
I actually paused and got out a coin. It was a bit tense because I wondering what the point could be. I thought that it would just be some kind of build up to a metaphor, but to decide the ending? That's clever. It reminds me of the Riddler comic that was like a choose your own adventure book, but for how this guy's fate. Will he be able to move on and resume his marriage or will it have been too much? I got heads, but even the "good" ending will take some work.
really cool comic! I really liked how at the beginning the perspective shift to each side of both of their faces and so do their speech/thoughts (something like that can't RLLY muster it) really showing that there's always 2 sides to a coin
Two-Face was channeling Jigsaw's bitter old serial killer energy, there. I also love the implication in this story that the only reason Two-Face didn't break out of Arkham sooner was because he couldn't bother to until some sanctimonious goody two shoes came along and pissed him off with his happy marriage and his positive attitude.
Notice that Holmans two face appearance is notably different to Harvey's Harvey has 2 distinct hair colours whereas the hair that Holman has is blond regardless of side Harvey's face is split down the middle absolutely while Holmans is rough and the two blend
About the ending, another interpretation: Holman (H - Heads) Two-Face (T - Tails). When they first met they talk about Holman saying he moved forward and recovered. Two-Face says his wife left him and the good man he was died. Holman's ending is represented by the Heads one thematically. The Joker wants you to be like Two-Face and ask fate to make the decision but realistically it seems more in character for Holman to not take option T.
I have always considered that life is however you see it. Two face decided to split life in two: Good side, Bad side. There are no middles. But is this truly how life is? Not in my opinion. Twoface only consider extremes, never the middle, foggy part. From which, choices can come out. Just like how the Batman came out of such cruel situation. A third path.
@@glugs3356 Assuming you believe in Balance of Good and Evil. There is always a middle, and even then, categories outside of good and evil, in my opinion.
@@glugs3356 Good and evil, those two things are quite subjective. To a monarch, a revolution against their command is pretty evil, since, well, all the monarch's doing is existing, or maybe their people are just overreacting to a decision, at least in the monarch's eyes. Whereas to the people leading the revolution, the fact that the monarch won't compromise or help the people they're supposed to be helping and leading, well, that's pretty evil. I figure every sentient being to ever exist has/will have some idea of what is "good" to do and what is "evil" or "bad" to do.
The only thing I will point out, the man's gun was not filled with blanks, it just wasn't loaded at all (that's why it just went klk-klk-klk). Remember, just because a gun is filled with "Blanks" does not make it safe, especially at close-range.
As someone who literally lives with decisions using a coin flip since highschool, I found the ending entertaining. I flipped the coin and looked without hesitation, flipped heads. My gold coin has yet to give me a bad end.
This story was great. Gave me chills and wasn't too extreme. Loved the immersion at the end too, paused the video just to find a coin. Thankfully, I got heads first try
Raziel: You said it yourself, Kain... there are only two sides to your coin. Kain: Apparently so, but suppose you throw a coin enough times... suppose one day, it lands on its edge.
