JONTRON VS THE WORLD - Dude Soup Podcast  

I just wanted to say that regardless of the views in this episode from anybody, I commend Bruce for working really hard researching this topic and making it a good podcast. Good job Bruce!

I'm really disappointed Lawrence wasn't there to defend Japan as the utopian society

BREAKING NEWS: Lawrence has been recruited by Samuel L. Jackson to be a part of the xXx extreme crew.

I love how Adam talks like Ozymandius: "If only there were aliens to unite the human race..." I'm on to you Adam.

No matter what side you stand on you can't deny JonTrons debating skills are pretty poor

I love all of you, but God damnit, Bruce GreenE I fucking love you. You just seem like such a genuine, caring human being.

If minorities aren't discriminated against them why is he afraid of whites being a minority?

why has Omar just become a voice on the god mic?

scroll down if you want to see geniuses debate politics

"The unholy Nazi alliance of PewDiePie and JonTron" - Wall Street Journal

Can you hire Joel back now that he is unemployed??

Hey! Just wanted to make a comment regarding Adam's statement that the issue of race was a problem since prehistoric times. In actuality race was historically not a huge issue until more or less the enlightenment. The big divide was usually religious, cultural, or most probably tribal (originally). Now, if you think that constitutes racism in itself I would yield that it was essentially the pre-racial equivalent of racism, but the concept as we understand it today is in no way that simple. The development of the idea of a "race" of people is a really interesting one(EDIT, forgot to write "one" here). Most ancient civilizations defined themselves and others by cultural and geographical differences rather than physical ones, and had no real concept of race beyond largely-explanatory myths. In the era of "Christendom" the belief was that all people were descended from the sons of Noah, and the Islamic world more or less agreed, though developed more scientific observations due to their proximity to Africa and the "Orient". The development of "Scientific Racism" is unique in its devastating impact on peoples' mindsets. The Enlightenment focus on science and fundamental differences between races set the trend for the next several centuries of modern racism. It is no coincidence that this coincided with Colonialism, the first truly race-based slavery institutions, and the overall advancement of European society to a perceived position of superiority over other people. To say racism began there would be an oversimplification, as even the ancient Sumerians regarded the people living in the hills as "barbarians" and called themselves "the black-headed people" referencing their hair-colour, but the concept itself is of critical importance and I believe it is imperative to our understanding today to see how racism has no real legs to stand on. It was literally created out of thin-air and permeated into every aspect of our society artificially through outright propagandization. It's a unifying and comforting feeling to belong to a "race" in some ways, I suppose, but the concept did not and could not have existed until essentially the first step towards pseudo-globalization occurred. I know this may seem out of place and critical. Just know I mean no disrespect to Adam, just want to address what I believe to be a common misunderstanding the world could truly benefit from rectifying.

Elyse's hair is on point. Good shit.

Elyse looks cool as fuck. Can I get that jumper holy shit. (ideally in mens but I can wear womens if I look that fly)

This is the problem: We shouldn't get mad and try to burn a guy at the stake for saying racist comments (whether you believe they are or not). Instead, if you disagree you should try to educate the person as much as possible. He's not a mean spirited person trying to hurt other people. He has just formed an opinion based on things that are not true. Educate don't hate. The media of course is going to use this as an attack piece but as the RU-vid community and online community in general we should do better.

I never really get triggered and I have always associated myself with right wing thinking, but when JonTron said that Irish and Italian immigrants where never discriminated against I was. As an actual Irish man and not just from Boston shit like this is sickening. During the 50's my grandad found it incredibly hard to get a job in England due to him being Irish, this was not that long ago.

Japan is a utopian society? Holy shit JonTron is king weeb. Also this comment section is full of strawmen arguments, you've been warned.

This was actually a pretty balanced and fair discussion. I don't see why there's so many dislikes.

I'm glad that James believes in mixed supremacy. Genetic variation will reign supreme!

Hey Funhaus, I just wanted to say that since you guys have started this channel, I've grown to love all of you and the things you do to make us and each other laugh every day. I'm 16 years old and last month I attempted to commit suicide by driving my beloved car into a retaining wall, and now I am living with the consequences of these actions. I know you hear this from literally thousands of people, but you guys really do help me get through the day. Whether It's James' skepticism, Elyse's impressions, Adam's lovable nature, Bruce's farts, Joel's singing, Spoole's stupid 1 dollar 1 hour rule, Lawrence's love for anime, or Peake's subtle but very encouraging advice, you guys always make me feel better about life and give me hope that I will live the life I dream of, thank you.

The what whole Jontron debacle started about 3 months ago on a live stream by Sargon of Akkad. Jontron came on the steam and expressed that he was fed up with the anti-white rhetoric that was going on. I think that Jontron wasn't entirely prepared for a debate, (if I'm mistaken, please correct me on that.) I think that he was under the assumption that he was just going to have a conversation with Destiny. and I believe that Destiny took advantage of that.

I think it's funny when they say that the games industry is "Left-leaning" or has a "liberal slant" implying it's like a 60-40 split between Liberals and Conservatives in games journalism/RU-vid. But honestly, it's more like "left-dominate" how many conservatives can you really name in this industry? Besides Colin Moriarty.

17:10 Being a second generation immigrant, when I start complaining about literally anything about living in America, my parents get extremely upset with me and call me ungrateful. They constantly say “this is the greatest country in the world.” Why would we want to keep out that kind of spirit and admiration?

This whole JonTron situation takes me back to that Sonic 06 Game Grumps moment where Jon says "look at these blacks". Thought it was pretty funny back then but now there's a bit of a different tone to it imo

"For the ruling class, equality looks like oppression" -Abraham Lincoln -Marilyn Monroe -Obi-Wan Kenobi

So, Jontron misinterprets statistics and Destiny asked the question "What's wrong with communism?". Sounds to me like neither of them know what they're talking about.

bruce is really into politics i see... he should hop on stream with destiny

Anyone remember District 9?

I would like to see a 30 minute feature of Lawrence talking about his time at stuntman camp.

A controversy seems like a right of passage for RU-vidrs now. They should give out a RU-vid Play button whenever they get to Wall Street Journal

I really appreciate the opinions put forward by these guys. Absolutely sick of people just screaming nazi at Jon and Felix. I also appreciate the whole you can enjoy someone and not necessarily agree with them politically, which is what I feel with the whole jontron thing. Good podcast guys.

Kovic's pants are sooo tight. "Captain, how tight are his pants?!" " Very tight sir!" "KOVIC!"

Big fan of JonTron videos. I avoided everything surrounding the controversy. Because based on the clickbait titles I knew it was gonna be another “youtuber fucks up” thing. But damn I cant resist a Funhaus podcast. Very disappointed to hear that he thinks that way. Or maybe that he expressed it that way. Without thinking it through. Personally im the kind of guys who says the more diversity the better. I love going outside and seeing people that don’t look like me. Talk differently from me. Has seen different places of the world than me. Black, White, Asian, Indian, Straight, Gay, Male, Female, etc etc. I look at people as individual. I look pass the label and want to know the individual. I think he feels that “the White man” gets attacked too much. And me as a Black man I agree that sometimes when people try to fight for a positive cause they feel its necessary to attack another group. You cant fight racism with racism. You cant fight sexism with sexism. I think if we are gonna move forward for everyone we cant generalize White males the same way we cant generalize anyone else. Yes its best Jon just do comedy videos.

Curious what they think about Colin Moriarty, as he's an example of a freakout happening when he didn't do anything wrong. They might not be able to or want to though because they were a part of the same company

The whole idea of an alien attack ending the human infighting (based on nation, race, etc.) was the whole plot of Watchmen.

When it comes to politics and what not, I like to bring up a quote that's usually attributed to Abraham Lincoln. "Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak out and remove all doubt." I raise Elk and play video games. I'm not in ANY WAY, SHAPE, OR FORM able to debate my stances on things with people that know what they're talking about.

JonTron seems like the only RU-vidr in existence that can gain subscribers after having not posted a video in 3 months.

Just wanted to say good job with a difficult subject.

One thing that scares me is that if we were somehow invaded by Aliens, we wouldn't band together but end up throwing each other under the bus.

I like how they are reading tweets about Jontron talking about how we are against discrimination. Yet the twitch chat behind them is having a pretty enthusiastic conversation about the Indian genocide.

If Sargon was debating Destiny we all know how that would end.

Did you know jazz came before ska?

I disagree with what Adam said about people who are not known for being political, should not be political. It's like when Colin Kaepernick protested the National Anthem and everyone said he should stop and just play football because that is what he gets paid to do. But that mindset is wrong. Elyse sort of points out that they have a platform, an audience in which people would listen to and who look up to. They bring light to prolems or issues that many maybe unaware of, or to show their support for a cause. Like when Shailene Woodley protested the Dakota Pipeline, she brought bigger awareness to the situation and showed her support for it. Just because you are an actor, football player, director, or RU-vid content creator, does not mean you lose your voice. If anything more celebrities should voice their concern for issues that plague our nation and/or world. But celebrities should also be aware of the consequences that come from voicing your concern. But if your career or public image is more important than the issues that affect millions of people or whatever, than that is a problem you need to solve on your own

That's really the ultimate litmus test: Can you buy the biggest big mac meal?

Terror attack in London atm. Hope the british viewers are safe.

Thanks for putting all the links in the description

what James didnt get about the hijab tweet was the "can" part, like you can go without it, if you want to wear it cool if you dont, nobody is gonna throw acid to your face

... So the humans go to a distant planet to abandon the robots they are racist against, but get attacked by aliens and have to band with the robots to survive? That's... That's a pretty great plot, imo. Reminds me of AI.

Jontron is a funny guy and I don't believe a bad person. But he said some stupid shit and I hope he learns from it.

My political comment on Funhaus for the millenium: The term "Western culture" isn't a synonym for "White culture", and for example in the majority of uses, Russia (a nearly all white country) is considered an eastern culture. It's a term used to describe the sets rules and regulations both written and unwritten, how people interact with each other, what we see as crime and not crime, how we react to said crimes, our politics, all kinds of things. Just as an example, in a lot of "Eastern culture" we wouldn't even be having this debate because speaking out against your country or your governing body is a crime and would either have you in prison or dead. This is a value of western culture, when people say that term. When people say that western culture is superior to other cultures, they're not saying whites are better than non-whites, they're saying that the way "western" countries even letting people discuss these topics instead of throwing them into a slave labor camp is superior. Having seen a lot of the Jon Tron discussions, and actually listened to them, you have to be doing some kind of mental gymnastics if you think Jon is saying that whites are a superior race or if you think he's any kind of supremacist, especially if he references Japan as a near utopian society. (On that subject, Japan's biggest social issues are their work ethic and declining birth rates. They work themselves to death and they don't fuck. Not the same kind of issues that a lot of other countries are facing.) Anyways, time to never comment politics again. But man, I can't wait for the rule34 that comes out of this.

Elyse hair is outstanding! I wish to know how to make it

This is my first dude soup in like... forever, and I really like this kind of talks, so i gotta see the other ones left. Gracias.

'And a lill English help to there' Britain entered war: September 1, 1939 America entered war: December 7, 1941 British military deaths WW2: 383,700 American Military deaths WW2: 407,300 British total population 1940: 48 million american total population 1940: 132.1 million British percentage killed: 0.00799% American percentage killed: 0.00308% That's half as much of the percentage of Britain sounds like a lot more than 'a lill' help there

"America created dubstep" - *eye twitches with the entire energy of DMZ, Skream, Benga and Digital Mystikz*

Someone mentioned this on JonTron's subreddit: This debate wasn't even political for the most part. It was for the first bit then the rest was just all about eugenics and race.

I usually can't get into dudesoup enough to watch it all the way through, but I really enjoyed this one. I really appreciated how everyone seemed to give JonTron the benefit of the doubt while still being skeptical and voicing their own opinions on the subject. Nice job on the discussion, and though I've observed that none of you seem too quick to voice your political opinions in your videos (which is definitely understandable in today's political climate), it would be awesome to see more videos like this in the future.

Can Bruce be the new host of the podcast?

It's pretty obvious that JonTron actually believes in his opinions but is fine leaving it at that. The only stupid thing he did was open his mouth and try to make his opinion fact without evidence. However, Destiny having some facts that favor his opinion does not make his opinion fact as well. The best way to handle this is to just look at this from the outside with evidence that shows both sides of the argument. Bruce did an excellent job of this.

Their robot/alien theory is almost literally the plot of Watchmen

Thanks for putting this out there, I was unaware of the situations and you guys explained it very nicely

culture is different than race. Are all races good? YES! are all cultures good? NO! yes, I'm referring to the horrific treatment of women and gays by the Muslim culture

I'm still yet finding it hard to play Devils advocate with you guys. You rarely express political opinions (Good thing I think) but when you do you're very easy to agree with. Do you feel like you're trying to walk the fence on purpose, or that your true feelings on politics and society are showing? Also subscribe to Gropozy

Elyse: Joey could be watching. Adam: Not listening though. Oh Adam you have so many great jokes that go unnoticed

There's an unwritten rule in political discourse that if you invoke Nazism or compare someone to Hitler, you lose the argument. 99 times out of 100, it's not an apt comparison.

FYI, Destiny is actually not smart, if you understand how he uses tactics in debating, his actual ideas about economics aren't really plausible and are his solutions to problems that his other ideas create. JonTron is not really a debater so he didn't handle it well, if you want to see destiny get shredded to the point that he ends a debate because he is losing, go watch the Naked Ape vs Destiny (/watch?v=7H-T2Uz7C98). Also watch the Sargon vs Destiny debate (/watch?v=j_y7ZZmYVPA), it's much better and shows that Destiny really isn't smart at all.

I'm a black man but I still don't have any issue if a man can speak his mind, idk if Jon Tron is racist but it's is right to speak his mind though

I'm not about to argue about politics I know nothing about, but I do know that I will be absolutely astonished if JonTron doesn't lose a few of his sponsors.

Just to back up Omar because I heard him in the background talking about that Voltaire quote... The quote is used in both Futurama AND Family Guy. Peter says it randomly in one episode and it's used in Futurama by the lawyer who defends Zoidberg after he eats the Earth Flag. (This is a different lawyer than the Hyperchicken.)

I like Jon's shit, but he said some pretty fucked shit. Also, he clearly wasn't prepared for that debate. He didn't know what he was talking about for most of his arguments. He admitted it himself.

I totally respect everyone in this video. This was a actually reasonable discussion instead of a shitty witch-hunt and condemning bandwagon party.

I always love these podcasts. Helps me get a well researched second view on the topic. Well spoken, speak for both sides, look at different aspects, just wonderful

A story I read when I was little had aliens which came to earth who were super nice and helpful, but also INCREDIBLY annoying because they always had to be right, so humankind joined a universal brotherhood of species who hated these aliens. So they were too polite to kill, but tiring enough that everyone got along with each other to avoid them. Wish I remembered the name of that, it was a good short story.

I don't think we will ever all speak the same language. I think computer translation is going to get good enough that it won't matter to anyone what language you speak because every can understand it though a computer translation so no point in trying g to unifi language.

Shit, brace yourselves for a shitstorm like none other

I didn't think I'd see a man kiss his dead grandmothers corpse in this vid but here I am.

I've never seen this before. But what I do see is three extremely anxious people, and one non-anxious individual completely feeling the anxiety being represented in the room.

Anyone know the sweater that Elyse is wearing?

Jontron's point about diversity is that it is only called for in majority white countries. That's why he brought up Japan. No one criticizes Japan for being too Japanese. "Diversity" is a leftist code word for "Too many white people".

When I traveled to US I met several people and possibly 10% of them were racist, and I noticed their hate was hidden behind ignorance. For instance, they would hate me for my skin but not know where my country is, or if it was a democracy, not to mention they would think that I weren't paying my taxes, or that some rules didn't apply to me. In all, I loved visiting there and I think next generation will be the last to struggle with racism. Love to all!

funhaus aged like fine wine. love yall

Papa Bruce's Juices

I was surprised they did not talking about Colin Moriarty and kinda funny issue on sexism too !

For anyone curious on how to pronounce "Geert Wilders": Phonetically, say Geart wealders (both "ea"s as in "gear"). The dutch G is the sound you make while collecting for a nasty spit, and all the consonants are pronounced. Have fun :)

Regardless of how hilarious it is, I don't want hardnetin to become a show of just single strange individuals on the internet.

Adam: Why do some people believe they can talk about certain issues because they have fame? Adam: *proceeds to voice his political views and tells people like Tim Allen to fuck off because of something he said that he doesn't agree with*

You are very good at talking about this kind of stuff, very interesting video 👌🏻

I am in international student in the UK and majority of students from my home country stay and hang out with people from the same country. I always think that mingling with nationals and learning more about the culture is an essential part of going to study abroad. It's like an Indian guy eating Indian food in a Chinese restaurant. I came to this country thinking that I will try my best to be friends with the locals and currently both my best mates are English nationals. I can't really say about the other prospective but this was my mind set going to study abroad.

"TAKE ME FRANCE! OOOO LA LA! (American) GET THE FUCK OUTTA HERE! (French fancy)" Adam Kovic, 2017

Every other sentence "well I don't necessarily agree with" this is what it's like to live in an era where people are terrified to have an opinion.

Western Civ is the best. Thats why so many people come here.

I always love when Omar's dulcet, buttery smooth voice interjects from the heavens with an interesting question or comment.

As a mixed race person, I can verify that we are bangin

I genuinely do not care either way. His vids are still top notch stuff.

"MIXED RACE PEOPLE ARE BANGIN"- James Willums 2017 Lol I couldn't agree more. Seriously mixed people are sexy AF.

Starship Troopers for an alien invasion? Come on Adam! Watchmen, brother. It mirrors what you want to happen perfectly

Back when I worked for Walt Disney World Entertainment, if you weren't cleanly shaven for your shift, they'd banish you to the cast bathroom with a crappy, cheap Bic razor. Just the literal worst. No shaving cream, at that.

JONTRON DID LITERALLY NOTHING WRONG

You'd be singing a different song if you lived in current day France.

"I don't have a chin" FUCKING LOL! Quality jokes Omar.

Fun fact for people out there- things like utopias can't exist because it's a paradox.