Absolutely - seems very likely it was strategy to try and get under jb's skin. I mean, it's not like mesenbrink acted one bit surprised by the response lol - that was the plan
Referee needs to deal with clubbing and boxing early. You have to be decisive as an official sometimes. There is an earlier match (several years ago0 where an opponent really tried to injure Burroughs with joint torsion. That official called potentially dangerous, then penalties.This is not that level of problem but maybe the official was influenced by the crowd here. Mesenbrink was not able to score much here and so tried to bully Jordan and fight off the mat. I wish Jordan handled the match better at the end but wrestling is an emotional sport and Mesendbrank earned the pop.
@@markchandler7089 As an official, I see your point. Ref did nothing wrong here tho, and he penalized accordingly. That spectacle added some excitement to the match....
I was there, and it wasn’t just PSU fans booing. I was surrounded by Iowa and Ohio fans that were booing, but I wasn’t shocked based on what I was seeing. The extra stuff Mitch was doing wasn’t obvious to the crowd. JB’s reaction was impossible to miss. Mitch tried to congratulate him after the match and JB started shoving him. And with 4 matches going on at once, all the fans saw was the extra stuff that JB was doing. Real time in the stands, you may have had a different perspective. The video does give a different view, but also doesn’t show how he started shoving and going off after the match had ended- that’s what set the tone for the nighttime match against Nolf
The Penn state crowd sucks. The iowa fan base cheered for legends even when they beat their club’s guys. This is the Olympics, not the NCAA’s. The fact that our greatest ambassador ever got boo’d all day is a testament to Penn State’s lack of tradition, understanding, wrestling knowledge and respect for the sport. This is not how you treat our nations great champions.
It's cause he said he would takeout Starocci's knee at the national finals that's where people lost respect for him, but Penn State is the goat of wrestling and Burroughs is done, Nolf kicked his ass
The Starocci thing is such a Strawman. They all took that so out of context. I heard it live and it was fine, it was humor. CLEARLY if he really had a plan to do that he would not say that on National TV. Bo and the entire PSU community lost alot of fans in the wrestling community after this. JB waxed Nolf so many times prior to this he could have seen his own reflection. Hes carried the torch for over a decade its about time someone for penn state actually beat him hes 35…
JB had this match handled all the way. The youngster needs to calm down. He hasn’t seen what the GOAT had seen…. Including all the world and Olympic medals. Great work JB.
Messenbrink was literally throwing punches and wrestling past the whistle the entire match…JB let him now that he wasn’t going to be distracted with all those extra antics.
Don’t even act like JB hasn’t also thrown punches and hard clubs in his matches, check out his match against Aniuar Geduev at the ‘16 Olympic Games 1/4 match and his match against Kyle Dake at the 2017 US Open.
I respect both wrestlers. They are both good people. I’ve met both wrestler’s. MITCH is a stand up guy I love that dude. JB is such a great person as well and a native to my home town
I'm also from Wisconsin. Terrible attitude and nonsense "bullying" he could have and should have been punched out by Burroughs. But he had too much class. And shame on that biased crowd for booing Burroughs.
God dammit - One more thing - After JB shoved Mesenbrink, the first thing the ref did was signal for a caution and 1 and then look to the table to see if it was confirmed. THAT IS PATHETIC. The first order of business is to GET IN THERE AND STOP THE FIGHT. You can figure out the points later. What an embarrassing performance from the ref. Just timid and weak. (IMO it’s the ref’s fault that things had to get to the point where JB had to do something about Mesenbrink’s antics.)
Mesenbrink had that wild early Desanto energy. JB was so cool considering all the post whistle action MM dealt him. Classless PSU fans should be ashamed of themselves.
The entire match Mensenbrink was wrestling passed the whistle, pushing him back after the whistle for no reason, taunting JB and being completely unsportsmanlike. JB had so much patience the whole time but after the last head smash it seemed like he was seriously trying to be an asshole and had to be set straight
Messebrank was OD. Kid was out of line. JB let him know rightfully so. Shit pisses me off I heard PS crowd talking shit to JB after the Nolf match. That disgusts me. I’m disappointed w the Penn State. SMGDFH 🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️😡 Level of disrespect is unreal. What JB has done for this sport the levels he’s bright it up to all his work and championships. JB is THE GOAT!
😂😂😂😂😂 this started because JB was about going after Carters hurt leg. With no cares in the world about it. Was really hoping he'd step to Bo this weekend and get dropped 😅😅😅
IDK if anybody posting the comments about how JB was justified have ever wrestled in a tournament situation. There are multiple mats and matches Going at the same time and sometimes it is difficult to tell when a whistle is yours or from another mat. The only thing I saw Mitch do that you do not see in virtually every high lever freestyle match was the head push in the first round. JB is and will always be a legend in USA wrestling, but at this point his ego far outpaces his wrestling skill, he really should consider letting the sun gracefully set on his career.
Messenbrink was literally being a punk the whole match lol. Wrestling past the whistle over a dozen times like you have something to prove when you’re getting goosed is crazy dude.
As a LOOONG TIME PSU fan, i’m extremely dissapointed in the Penn State fans, Wrestlers and some coaches in this tournament. Messenbrink wrestled far beyond the whistle in uncontinuation positions so many times and is not respecting who is probably the greatest American Wrestler of all time. No respect for the wrestler who has been carrying the torch for the sport for over a decade. Why not control the action and score takedowns instead of cheap shots after the whistle? I expected Cael to control things a little more as one of the greats but maybe his hands are tied since hes more involved with collegiate. They should not be letting Bo Nickal on as a coach IMO. Bo has maturing to do and is also in the center of these incidents. he wasnt close to the level wrestler JB was and maybe bitter since he pivoted to mma. The fan at the end walking over to JB after the final loss and screaming “now its over” was possibly the most classless act i’ve ever witnessed in sports fan history. That fan should be banned from attending any future wrestling events. I really hope someone took swift action on that. Penn State 100% lost a fan and respect in my book after this. I will be re-allocating my support for a different Team as its dissapointing.
I’m sorry you are jaded and DUSGUSTED….have fun rooting for 2nd place. Bo was a much better NCAA wrestler than JB ever was. JB won 2 titles, and quit another year do to an injury that wasn’t as bad as Carters. Nobody realizes that PENN STATE fan has been primarily sitting in the same seat at Rec Hall for decades. I just lost a friend who had seen every home match since 1971….52 years in the same seat. The dedication of this fan base is unparalleled.
@@TimM-wk1zxNo one here is doubting the dedication of Penn State fan base…. The frustration here stems from the lack of respect for JB who has arguably contributed the most to the sport of wrestling in the US over the last decade. Just because someone isn’t from Penn St doesn’t mean you can’t show due respect- especially in a sport where this has long been a tradition. It is a bad look as Penn St is on the forefront in wrestling right now in terms of talent, yet seemingly choosing to play the bad guy in a sport of resect.
JB has done the most in everyone’s minds, BECAUSE HES WRESTLED TILL HES ALMOST 40….lol. Most guys with any wherewithal give this sport up before 30. “J’den Cox” JB did nothing on the world level while he was in College, and Carter is just starting that side of his life. JB is 14 years older than Carter. Penn State fan is going to root for Penn State wrestlers. I’m sure DEEP DOWN Penn State fan doesn’t view Dake or Gilman as one of their own, but the inevitably root for them. I’m sorry you feel s fan base can’t boo who they choose, and I don’t think that kids that want to excel in life and wrestling are going to shy away from going to Penn State….So what is ur point. YOU are complaining on here, but a fan paying money can’t complain.
@@TimM-wk1zx Lets refresh here… Jordan Burroughs is 35 years old. He is only two years older than both Taylor and Dake. In the time after turning 30, he has won two World Championships. JB won Olympic Gold at 23yrs old- directly following his senior year in college. Only two other American wrestlers have won Olympic gold at a younger age in the last 2 decades - Synder and Steveson. Regardless of this, using that fact that Jordan is “old” as an argument AGAINST that fact that he has done the most for American wrestling (as a wrestler) recently makes zero sense, no shit! Penn State CAN boo whoever they choose, but that doesn’t mean the rest of the wrestling world needs to remain uncritical of it. In no way is this complaining- wrestling is just a game that we choose to assign value too, a boo wont hurt anyone- just to explain the frustration surrounding this incident through they eyes of the rest of the wrestling world. If your Penn State goggles diminish your ability to see the other side of your own argument, maybe touch grass.
Because he knows how Messenbrink is. Askren talkeda bout Messenbrink on FRL and that is just how he is. Its childish and absurd, but people know this by now, so I'm sure Cael doesn't get surprised when people retaliate against Mitchell.
@@tukeewc1880 Makes me wonder what is going on over there. PSU normally has calm and composed people but with his antics and their 125 deciding to throw a whining tantrum in the middle of the mat during action is embarrassing. Cael and Cunningham need to nip that in the bud before they have Desanto 2.0 on their hands.
Dake looked very good. MM looks great in junior internationals but is not ready for best in the world. He was trying to counter wrestle JB but nearly got teched. Dake is another level and just needs to be sharp in the early rounds at the Olympics.
Y'all are soft. JB dominated 1st period and decided to stall. Mesenbrink couldn't do anything about it, so decided to fuck with him. The old bull gave the young bull a receipt for the effort. Nothing to see here.
Before the match Messenbrink talked a ton of shit about how he was going to retire JB. After running the score up on him, I suspect that's why JB let him initiate his attacks moreso than in period 1. He was daring Messenbrink to do something, do anything about how he was getting worked over. The one shove JB gave him was after Messenbrink wrestled well after the whistle and out of bounds. The hometown Penn State fans were biased all tournament so their reaction isn't unexpected.
Messenbrink needs more offense to be effective at the next level. He tried to counter-wrestle and did not attack on the mat, he saved it for out-of-bounds. I respect Valencias style, going down shooting. MM nearly got teched, wish JB had finished it early.
I love JB, I would have done the same push. The only problem is that, that moment/action of “anger” and “fight” mentality probably cost him the “mentality” it took to take out Jason the next round. Just like in Rio. I saw the JB vs Jason match before this and kept wondering why I kept seeing “booing Burroughs” and when he lost that match, right away I thought of the Rio match where he was pushed. I actually think there is a link there. No more fighting!!! Haha
You can tell the PSU crowd has no idea what they’re talking about. Messenbrink was wrestling past the whistle and almost throwing punches multiple times in the match, and then they want boo Burroughs because he “was disrespectful to our guy.” Idc what you think, if I had been shoved out, headbutted, and a guy refused to get off my leg when the action has stopped, I’d retaliate too. Burroughs knew he was winning, and he made it clear for Messenbrink to stop wrestling dirty, and then the second it happens with their guy they try throwing Burroughs under the bus like he sucks or he’s unsportsmanlike. Respect goes two ways, if you don’t respect him, he won’t respect you
I like how MM is a freshman in college and he wasn’t scared of Jordan. MM has some shady stuff there, but JB has been guilty of that too. Some are pretty subtle like the constant pulling of the socks against somebody who wants to have high pace, wrenching the fingers, and he is also known for clinging on the head. It’s OK for one boo the other . in the end, I would’ve done the same, but step back just a minute I like both wrestlers and have all the respect in the world for the wrestler that JB is… but his time is over and he just doesn’t know it yet.,
First two points for JB should have been challenged. No exposure. Mesenbrink did not break 90. The guy that lifted his "2" in the background couldn't have even seen it from his perspective. What's his deal?
M needs to get a hearing aid so he can hear the whistle and stop and learn sportsmanship. losing the entire match and suddenly you are upset that the other person can avoid you and ride out to a win??? well why is he in that position.. maybe because he beat you like a ragdoll have some class.
Some mind games like wrestling after the whistle and positioning in the center. Doesn’t work on veterans so well. I’m sure knowledgeable PSU fans saw that too. Wonder if they will wrestle again?
So Mesenbrick gets out of line the Penn state crowd cheers!! JB react to the kid’s terrible behavior and they’re booing, talking shit, and disrespecting the man who won our country “🇺🇸🥇7️⃣ major world titles”?! Other countries in the world don’t do this BS to their champions 😒 only in America… This is why other countries laugh at us…
Don’t see anything wrong w this tbh. A young hungry word class wrestler going against the GOAT. Wasn’t gonna be a friendly roll around. JB should’ve known that and should’ve j stayed composed
I was at Penn state Iowa last year 2023. My wife went to Penn state. I can guarantee you that 50% of the people in the arena had zero idea what was going on. This isn’t an Iowa fan saying that. Just a guy who wrestled who loves wrestling. So I agree with things being said. Mitchell is acting like a dbag here and I would have been fine with him getting laid out.
About a min left in the first period Jordan was in on a shot that went out of bounds he got the step out point whistle blown Jordan stopped wrestling and was basically defenseless on his knees and Mitchell pushed him over while his feet were under his hips out of bounds could have caused a knee injury. That was not cool. The refs should not allow that to happen. It’s cheating. When the whistle has blown and your opponent has stopped according to the rules and you continue that’s a violation. Maybe once you let him get away with it but next time is a warning the next one is a pt.
Hand shakes, hand slaps, all that is pretty common, even after you get warned for clubbing too hard, but a high five? No way, that's just childish troll stuff Messenbrink was attempting, and when JB didn't want to play along, Mitchell slapped him. Bad look for Messenbrink.
i like mitch wrestling style too many people nowadays want to wrestle the outside line but i thought he didn't give jb any of the respect who has clearly earned it being a gold medal winner, super disappointing, penn is usually great with showing grace but this match mitch was clearly in the wrong and the penn fans fans didnt show any love to jb either not cool, jb has been a great ambassador to the sport
I don’t go prying on a guys ankles out of bounds like that. Could hurt a knee. MesserBRINK was being a prick under the guise of “I’m just wrestling hard”. JB was composed and the GOAT.
Love watching MM exciting wrestler. Love all of Penn state wrestling their far beyond all of the competition. Its to bad they're among the most obnoxious fans out there😂
Mesenbrink’s only job was to frustrate JB just so he could have him worked up for his matches to come later that day. Never thought I’d see the day that Penn State wrestling is more Corny than Iowa
Admittedly I did not notice all the punk moves from Mitchell when I watched live but after rewatching it was flea he was begging for a slap. I was a big fan but this level of unnecessary disrespect went too far for me. Now I’ll be looking for Keegan to beat his ass. I know they may be boys but if he acts like that it may be too much for Keegan too.
I like Messenbrink, but he wrestled this match like he was a high school kid. Burroughs schooled him, pulling out some of the tactics the Russians and Iranians use, slowing down the match. If Messenbrink wants to be successful, he has a lot of maturing to do. He can’t wrestle like that at the international level. The Russians, Eastern Europeans, and Iranians won’t put up with that nonsense.
Excellent pace by Mesenbrink. Quite the Prospect still. Burroughs the Vet here, had the experience and patience to control the Match. Also More effective with his Attacks. Great defense by Mesenbrink though. Outstanding performance by both Wrestlers.
Mesenbrink consistently tried to club JB on the back of the neck (which is legal) and the extra curriculars after the whistle. I didn't really understand the JB criticism for pulling up his socks. PSU definitely had a higher pace, but I was disappointed in Mesenbrink's conduct and especially PSU fans reaction to JB. I hope they don't have the trials at PSU again unless they enforce fan conduct more aggressively.
It always seems to be the case, young kid testing the boss with many cheap shots, he needed to look at the near tech fall instead of garbage shots after whistle. Very common, his parents needed to teach him to respect his elders. He should focus on technique, try to score! Not that.
I love PennState and their wrestlers and couches!!! This crowd is not the best for the Olympic Trials. TOOOOO biased! LOL Let's find a better place for all the participants. The Olympics is National event. Let's find a better place. Sorry PA! Love your program for the college scene.
I can’t speak for Mitchell but it just seems like he wanted to prove to JB that he’s a tough opponent and won’t accept defeat so easily to someone as high level like JB, hence why he was pushing the pace with the clubbing and such. JB unfortunately lost his cool with the hit. I respect JB as a legend of freestyle wrestling but I did lose some with what happened with Mitchell. It was pretty uncalled for and Mitchell was probably just getting lost in the match and couldn’t hear the whistle blow at 9:03, it happens to everyone. JB unfortunately is now gonna have to face the fact that he hit a college sophomore just because he was being a little rougher with him than his other opponents are usually.
I thought JB was wrong there. He lost his composure, and I expect that he will apologize for it after he has had a chance to decompress a little. That being said, I don't think he's gonna lose too much sleep over it with 10 world-level medals on his bed stand. Anybody who has wrestled hard has had an angry moment or two on the mat.
For all you FLY BY NIGHT fans, fans that have never wrestled, OR sat through decades of home matches of ur favorite team, your complaining falls on deaf ears. Each person on that mat has their own style and their own personality. They are trying to win. These guys for the most part are the best of the best, and some are very young. JB is almost twice Mitchell’s age, and clearly past his prime. JB hasn’t won anything at the Olympic level for 12 years. Has anyone here not accomplished something they set out to do in 12 years? Fans are allowed to boo/cheer/whistle WHATEVER. And that fan base is super knowledgeable and has their favorites. The whining on here from armchair qb’s is shocking. I personally attended almost every rec hall match since 1979, and this fan base for the most part is fantastic. BTW….In addition to all the wrestling accolades currently, the TEAM CUMULATIVE GPA is 3.85.
Sounds like the only thing you set out to do & accomplished for the last 12 years is swill Pepsi & eat popcorn at the rec hall, probably yelling the wrong technique, thinking you actually know wrestling... There is a way to go about cheering for your club, but don't disrespect a legend, have some class
Jason, nice to see ur clueless….NOT a soda or Booze drinker, but you should stop the latter. Wrestled for many years, and have been in rec hall since 1979….ppl throw the term legend and hero around pretty easily, and I think do so because they just don’t know. Legends are viewed as notorious also….In regard to overall wrestling, JB couldn’t make an all TOP 100 list in folk-style, and he hasn’t done anything in the Olympics in 12 years. But in interviews JB points a finger at Doping in sports as to why he hadn’t won more….Maybe, he should wrestle till he’s 40 or 50. In regard to fans….Fans can boo or criticize anyone they choose….they paid for the seat, and in regard to ppl at rec hall, most have been there for 25 plus years. Myself since 1979. So ur theory on lack of knowledge or insight is out the window. I know derp down somewhere you think you have an affiliation to JB, but you don’t. You think some 2 day tournament in Rio, is more valuable than 5 years of dedication to a college. I don’t. Point is, root for whoever you choose, but don’t criticize someone else for their fan affiliations.
You're massively missing the point. Messenbrink wasn't just "wrestling his style", he was wrestling after the whistle, constantly, in fact four times that I counted before JB actually retaliated. Those are all cheap shots and aren't part of the sport. Messenbrink needs to be coached better and he needs to knock off this childish crap. We don't accept this from our youth club kids or our middle school and highschool kids, and there is no reason NLWC should accept it from Mitchell.
Hard clubbing is ok agter pwriod one when messenbrink basically is trying to use any tactic to winm however wi 7 sendonds keft down that much u still clubbing and wrestling out of bounds that long drawing dead deserves a slap. He knew the crowd was on his side the kids no slouch. PENN STATE CROWD showd classless display toward one of the greats all tourney. Shows u what it means in the Quaker State
You can tell Mesenbrink was ready to compete as hard as he could but he still holds so much respect for Jordan. Jordan was just there with his eyes on a mission
@@tukeewc1880 Maybe that he respected JB's talent enough to know he had no chance to beat him so he....tried to beat him physically? I don't know. He clearly knew he had no shot, he was being a little bitch the entire match. I'm surprised JB didn't complain about the haymakers he was throwing.
JB did exactly what any man should of done he said the truth to kid stop punching my head with all those clubs messenbrink threw was uncalled for and made him look like a total scrub he looked desperate to setup any shot or strategy to win.
@@tukeewc1880 DC: "Jordan if you're Rocko are your attacks going to bandaged leg?" JB: "Absolutely, I am attacking that thing like crazy." Go ahead and try to justify his statement.
@@cascaderetriever7618 Most wrestlers would. People said the same thing about Spencer Lee's leg. A NCAA wrestler put it perfectly: "If you step out onto the mat everything (within the rules) is fair game. As soon as you put those ankle bracelets on you're saying you're good to go."
Refs to blame. He at no point tried to control any of it and let it go on. NLWC / Penn State fans need to chill on the Burroughs hate. Everyone would attack an injury. That’s common sense. Messenbrink was far more aggressive post whistle than Burroughs and calling it accidental is ridiculous. They should be ashamed as a fan base for the disrespect they showed to a legend of the sport.
I come from a jiu jitsu background and was bewildered at the fact people where butthurt by JBs comments even though wrestlers are the toughest athletes in the world.
Jordan was a great athlete but like anything you have to be like macdonalds and try innovative stuff he stayed with the same moves which does not work as good as when your 24 but he was a great champion regardless
Meswnbrink was too focused on trying to smash Jordan's face with his head and throw a little cheap shots here and there. Not only was it disrespectful but it was downright classless.. Jordan's reaction to all of this at the end with the head slap was a bit unnecessary but I can understand where it came from. Jordan was clearly agitated here throughout the match from a guy who knew he couldn't beat the champion..
Horrible take. Its pretty common for him to pull up his socks, and it only takes like two seconds. You act like he was staying out of the middle repeatedly and needed to be warned by the ref to engage. Dude has wrestled over 400 matches between college and senior level free style. He's calm and composed, and part of that is taking an extra second to pull up his socks.
All you Burroughs homers need to simmer the hell down haha. Know what you’re talking about. Jordan’s always been extra. Now he’s saying stupid stuff off the mat. Messenbrink tried to shake his hand early for something so minor he wouldn’t shake his hand & then it escalated
Nope, Messenbrink didn't try to shake his hand. Mitchell was warned for hard clubs, then he wanted to high five JB like they are buddies at the strip club or something. JB wasn't into that, so he didn't go for the high five, so Mitchell slapped him. That was just the 1st stupid thing Mitchell did. Then after they go out of bounds, whistle blows, JB is on his knees, Mitchell walks up to him and pushes him over. Then Mitchell pushes JB out of bounds grounded, is head snapping, which is fine, whistle blows, Mitchell continues snapping the head and then shoves JB's face into the mat. Then Mitchell gest a pushout, whistle blows, Mitches goes in on a low double and starts cranking on JB's knee. ONLY AFTER ALL THAT, does JB shove Mitchells head into the ground. And as for JB saying stuff off the mat, I'll assume you're referring to his commenting at NCAA's which Bo Nickal decides to completely distort because Bo is not in a "sport" where feuding with someone builds interest from fans and gets you a bigger payday. Bo started something stupid based on pretty mundane comments.
